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Fwd: Notice of publication: Integrated Issues Report in the IDN Variant Project
by Patrik Fältström Dec. 24, 2011

Dec. 24, 2011

I am confused. On Dec 6 the draft report was sent to this mailing list. A number of comments where sent in. Then today I saw an announcement on an external mailing list (Unicode) that a public comment period have started on some version of the document. Questions: Are these the same documents? (I admit I have not done a detailed comparison, but I do not have energy comparing a word document with a PDF at this time of the day...) If so, why did not the public comment period start on Dec 6? If not, why was not a new version sent to this list that was approved before it was opened for public comments? I do have more questions on the process here, but what they are will depend on the responses on these two questions. Patrik Fältström Begin forwarded message: > From: Patrick Jones <patrick.jones(a)icann.org> > Subject: Notice of publication: Integrated Issues Report in the IDN Variant Project > Date: 24 december 2011 04:10:16 CET > To: "unicore(a)unicode.org" <unicore(a)unicode.org> > > As a follow-up to our update during the UTC meeting in November, ICANN has published today the Integrated Issues Report in the IDN Variant Project. The report is being published for public comment until 30 Jan 2012. See http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-23dec11-en.htm. Comments welcomed. > > Best regards, > > Patrick > > -- > Patrick L. Jones > Senior Manager, Security > IDN team > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers > 1101 New York Avenue, NW, Suite 930 > Washington, DC 20005 > Tel: +1 202 570 7115 > patrick.jones(a)icann.org > patrickjones.tel

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Re: [vip] Integrated Issues Report draft
by Jaap Akkerhuis Dec. 23, 2011

Dec. 23, 2011

You are correct about Russian having 33 letter - good catch! I think the same can be said for Ukranian, but I'm less sure about that, so someone should really check those numbers. jaap

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Forward from Unicode: Two New Public Review Issues: UTR #36, UTS #39
by Patrick Jones Nov. 25, 2011

Nov. 25, 2011

The Unicode Technical Committee has posted two documents for public comment and input (see below). I am passing this along to the VIP list given the subject matter related to IDNA 2008, Unicode Security Considerations and Mechanisms. Patrick Patrick L. Jones Senior Manager, Security IDN team Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers 1101 New York Avenue, NW, Suite 930 Washington, DC 20005 Tel: +1 202 570 7115 patrick.jones(a)icann.org<mailto:patrick.jones@icann.org> patrickjones.tel Begin forwarded message: From: "announcements(a)unicode.org<mailto:announcements@unicode.org>" <announcements(a)unicode.org<mailto:announcements@unicode.org>> Date: November 21, 2011 3:38:04 PM EST To: "announcements(a)unicode.org<mailto:announcements@unicode.org>" <announcements(a)unicode.org<mailto:announcements@unicode.org>> Subject: Two New Public Review Issues: UTR #36, UTS #39 The Unicode Technical Committee has posted two new issues for public review and comment. Details are on the following web page: http://www.unicode.org/review/ Review periods for the new items close on January 30, 2012. Please see the page for links to discussion and relevant documents. Briefly, the new issues are: Issue #208 Proposed Update UTR #36: Unicode Security Considerations http://www.unicode.org/review/pri208/ This UTR is being prepared for an update to bring the IDNA 2008 references up to date. Public review and comment is invited on this draft. Issue #209 Proposed Update Unicode Technical Standard #39 Unicode Security Mechanisms http://www.unicode.org/review/pri209/ This UTS is being prepared for an update to align with Unicode 6.1. Public review and comment is invited on this draft. To supply feedback on these issues, see http://www.unicode.org/review/#feedback . ----

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Monday 24 October - 9:15 - 11:15 UTC - IDN Variant Issues Project Update
by Francisco Arias Oct. 23, 2011

Oct. 23, 2011

Colleagues, Sorry for the late notice. As some of you may know we are having the IDN Variant Issues Project Update this Monday 24 October from 9:15 - 11:15 UTC (Dakar local time). http://dakar42.icann.org/node/26835 For those who are not in Dakar, this session will also be available via Adobe Connect remote participation. You can participate in the session by going to: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/dkr42-bc12 __ Francisco. P.S. Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message.

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VIP Case Study Reports Published
by Naela Sarras Oct. 11, 2011

Oct. 11, 2011

Dear Colleagues, The Case Study Reports from all six Case Study Teams have now been published. Links to the reports are available at: http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-4-03oct11-en.htm These reports are also available for public comment. The deadline for public comments is 14 November 2011: http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/ Thank you, Naela

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Final Chinese Case Study Report.
by Xiaodong Lee Oct. 2, 2011

Oct. 2, 2011

Dear Steve, Please find the attached document of the final report of Chinese case study team. Regards, -- -- Xiaodong Lee, VP&CTO, CNNIC Professor, Chinese Academy of Sciences

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linguistic and cultural support
by jean-michel bernier de portzamparc Sept. 26, 2011

Sept. 26, 2011

Dear all, We, nicknamed "JEDI"s (Jefsey disciples), have often tried to make the IETF understand and respect the implications of linguistic, cultural, political, economical diversities on protocol definition. Jefsey obtained the RFC 4645, 4646, 4647 consensus he wanted. We also obtained the IDNA2008 consensus which was necessary to warranty the internet stability, its capacity to support any diversity by subsidiarity, and the emergence of the IUI. We still have a problem with the IETF/Unicode relations, the WG/PRECIS, the IDNA IAB work, the ICANN/VIP work on variants, extension of the punycode algorithm to support French and and the orthotypography (scripting syntax) of most of the other languages, etc. May be this quote will help some of our colleagues to understand better why the IETF is to "influence those who design, use and manage the internet" for it to offer users with a better multilinguistic support. “We live in a global world,”... “We have to understand that world if we … are going to be able to not only defend this country, but to extend our relationships to others so that we can work together to defend the world that we live in.” “The reality is that we have to reflect the nation we live in and we have to reflect the world we are a part of." “Languages are the key to understanding that world.”... "It’s also critical to the effectiveness of current U.S. military operations." ... "If we are going to advance stability in some of the countries we are fighting in today, we have to be able to understand what motivates those countries, what motivates their people, and to understand their culture, beliefs, faiths, ideologies, hatreds and loves". “So it is crucial to our national security to be able to have a strong language ability”. - Leon E. Panetta (8/23/2011). US Defense Secretary. Mr. Panetta speaks on behalf of the USA, but I believe that if his understanding may be late, it is also true for every other nation. Multilinguistics, as Jefsey defined it from our IETF experience, is the cybernetics of the linguistic diversity. How languages and cultures can be adequately be supported and result in positive synergetic feed backs. Its key recipe seems to be first based upon a true network linguistic neutrality. One does not need to have more than one language to be a multilingist, one just need to understand and/or research how to better support linguistic and cultural diversity. As Mr. Panetta stated, it is critical to stability and effectiveness in our global world. Portzamparc.

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Update on Case Study Reports
by Naela Sarras Sept. 22, 2011

Sept. 22, 2011

Dear Colleagues; The IDN Variant Issues project is rapidly nearing the deadline date for each team to submit their Case Study Issues Reports (30 September). The teams are working very hard to meet the deadline. Several of the teams have gone through at least one, or in some cases two drafts, of their reports already. We would like to share the drafts with you, but as the drafts are rapidly changing, rather than share any of the drafts on this mailing lists, we encourage you to visit the community wiki (https://community.icann.org/display/VIP/Individual+Cases) for the latest drafts that the teams have posted on the wiki. Reports are posted in the documents section for each Case Study Team. Best regards, Naela Sarras ICANN

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Overarching principles used in Devanagari team report
by Naela Sarras Sept. 21, 2011

Sept. 21, 2011

Dear colleagues, During a meeting of the Devanagari Case Study Team meeting last week, the team adopted a set of overarching principles that they will include in their Case Study Issues report. We are sharing this section of the report with the other case study teams in case they find it useful for their respective reports. Best regards, Naela Sarras

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experts
by jefsey Sept. 12, 2011

Sept. 12, 2011

Dear all, In order to better understand the positions of the VIP Latin document to the ICANN/BoD (where there are excellent French speakers who may disagree with the conclusions) regarding the "variants" in IDNs, I tried to have look at the mailing list archives and therefore to register in the list. This seems to be reserved to the Member of the Latin VIP team. So, I google them and found the list of 11 expert members. However I am at loss to know who is a linguist and who is speaking/teaching French? Can someone help? This is important since the IETF/WG/IDNAbis shown that the French language orthotypographic support was the most complex issue for IDNs and has to be addressed on the user side (like other orthotypographic issues in other languages) making French support the best testing prototype, as representing the variant top difficulty (majuscules) while being within the ASCII range. Thank you. jfc PS. the list I got includes: Jothan Frakes, Harald Alvestrand, Andrzej Bartosiewicz, Eric Brown, Cary Karp, Nadya Morozova, Francisco Obispo, Giovanni Seppia, Will Shorter, Wil Tan, and Avri Doria. Is there anybody else I missed? ====== Cher tous, Afin de mieux comprendre les positions prises par le document du groupe Latin sur les Variantes dans les IDN devant être remis au CA de l'ICANN (où il y a d'excellents francophones qui peuvent être en désaccord avec ses conclusions) j'ai tenté de jeter un coup d'oeil sur les archives de la liste de diffusion et donc de m'y inscrire. Ceci semble réservé aux membres du "Latin VIP team". Je les ai donc googlé et j'ai trouvé une liste de 11 experts. Je suis toutefois incapable de dire qui y est un linguiste et qui y est un locuteur/professeur de français ? Quelqu'un peut-il m'aider ? Ceci est important puisque le Groupe de Travail IDNA2008 a montré que la prise en compte de l'orthotypographie française était le sujet le plus complexe à résoudre pour les "IDN" et doit être résolu du côté utilisateur (comme les autres problèmes orthotypographiques des autres langues) rendant l'abord du français le meilleur test prototype, car soulevant la pire difficulté (les majuscules) tout en étant dans la zone ASCII. Merci ! jfc PS. La liste que j'ai trouvée comprend : Jothan Frakes, Harald Alvestrand, Andrzej Bartosiewicz, Eric Brown, Cary Karp, Nadya Morozova, Francisco Obispo, Giovanni Seppia, Will Shorter, Wil Tan, and Avri Doria. Ai-je manqué quelqu'un ?

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