Dear all, In anticipation for our call, I suggest the following agenda: 1. Welcome 2. Explanation by Paul Twomey on practical steps involved in changes of TLD operator (focused on ccTLD) 3. Review of proposed addition to our PC2 document 4 AOB Of course, and as usual, this agenda is a suggestion and open for amendments. Staff, Please be ready to display the document in the AC room. Best regards, León
Leon and all, On point 3, I don't understand why we would be adding to or amending the Second Public Comment document. This document has now been published as part of the CCWG's overall review of the public comments. I think this document is pretty much closed. On the other hand, we were working on a rationale document in a Google Doc before the public comment analysis and then Dublin took over our lives. I think what we need to do is work on a document that uses as its starting point (i) the second draft report section on human rights, (ii) pieces of the rationale document, (iii) a fairly brief discussion/analysis of the comments and (iv) the new material provided by Leon. The ultimate goal should be to turn this into the human rights section of the next draft of the report. I've been working on such a document and should have a draft shortly. I won't have it as far along as I'd hoped, due to a medical emergency in my family, but hopefully it will be far enough along to give a sense of where it could go. Greg On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:29 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:
Dear all,
In anticipation for our call, I suggest the following agenda:
1. Welcome 2. Explanation by Paul Twomey on practical steps involved in changes of TLD operator (focused on ccTLD) 3. Review of proposed addition to our PC2 document 4 AOB
Of course, and as usual, this agenda is a suggestion and open for amendments.
Staff,
Please be ready to display the document in the AC room.
Best regards,
León
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All, As promised, here is the document I propose as the starting point for our drafting. Since the portion where I edited down the comment analysis is difficult to read in the marked version, I've also included a clean version. I look forward to our call. Greg On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
Leon and all,
On point 3, I don't understand why we would be adding to or amending the Second Public Comment document. This document has now been published as part of the CCWG's overall review of the public comments. I think this document is pretty much closed.
On the other hand, we were working on a rationale document in a Google Doc before the public comment analysis and then Dublin took over our lives. I think what we need to do is work on a document that uses as its starting point (i) the second draft report section on human rights, (ii) pieces of the rationale document, (iii) a fairly brief discussion/analysis of the comments and (iv) the new material provided by Leon. The ultimate goal should be to turn this into the human rights section of the next draft of the report. I've been working on such a document and should have a draft shortly. I won't have it as far along as I'd hoped, due to a medical emergency in my family, but hopefully it will be far enough along to give a sense of where it could go.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:29 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:
Dear all,
In anticipation for our call, I suggest the following agenda:
1. Welcome 2. Explanation by Paul Twomey on practical steps involved in changes of TLD operator (focused on ccTLD) 3. Review of proposed addition to our PC2 document 4 AOB
Of course, and as usual, this agenda is a suggestion and open for amendments.
Staff,
Please be ready to display the document in the AC room.
Best regards,
León
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Hi Greg, thanks a lot for providing this starting point for the rationale document and for pointing out that we have to proceed with what is meant to be "explanatory" document for the bylaw language. Would it be possible to share this new draft (clean version) as a Google doc, so anyone can work on it after (and during, may be) the call? I think Google docs were really helpful in our previous work. Only if you have time to do this, of course. Thanks a million! I also believe that we might consider changing the structure of the part which was meant to be the rationale document (the text from the old Google doc). I remember there were some comments and suggestion for amending/restructuring this "rationale" part in the Google doc itself and on the WP4 calls. However, this can be discussed during the call. Or any time later. Looking forward to the call. Cheers Tanya On 30/10/15 08:04, Greg Shatan wrote:
All,
As promised, here is the document I propose as the starting point for our drafting. Since the portion where I edited down the comment analysis is difficult to read in the marked version, I've also included a clean version.
I look forward to our call.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> wrote:
Leon and all,
On point 3, I don't understand why we would be adding to or amending the Second Public Comment document. This document has now been published as part of the CCWG's overall review of the public comments. I think this document is pretty much closed.
On the other hand, we were working on a rationale document in a Google Doc before the public comment analysis and then Dublin took over our lives. I think what we need to do is work on a document that uses as its starting point (i) the second draft report section on human rights, (ii) pieces of the rationale document, (iii) a fairly brief discussion/analysis of the comments and (iv) the new material provided by Leon. The ultimate goal should be to turn this into the human rights section of the next draft of the report. I've been working on such a document and should have a draft shortly. I won't have it as far along as I'd hoped, due to a medical emergency in my family, but hopefully it will be far enough along to give a sense of where it could go.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:29 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> wrote:
Dear all,
In anticipation for our call, I suggest the following agenda:
1. Welcome 2. Explanation by Paul Twomey on practical steps involved in changes of TLD operator (focused on ccTLD) 3. Review of proposed addition to our PC2 document 4 AOB
Of course, and as usual, this agenda is a suggestion and open for amendments.
Staff,
Please be ready to display the document in the AC room.
Best regards,
León
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As Tanya requested, I've uploaded the clean version of the document circulated last night to Google Drive. Here is the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bm0NnIq35j3-EwmBwKEjSOJia-c10wv0mhHytngT... Greg On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina@mpicc.de> wrote:
Hi Greg, thanks a lot for providing this starting point for the rationale document and for pointing out that we have to proceed with what is meant to be "explanatory" document for the bylaw language. Would it be possible to share this new draft (clean version) as a Google doc, so anyone can work on it after (and during, may be) the call? I think Google docs were really helpful in our previous work. Only if you have time to do this, of course. Thanks a million! I also believe that we might consider changing the structure of the part which was meant to be the rationale document (the text from the old Google doc). I remember there were some comments and suggestion for amending/restructuring this "rationale" part in the Google doc itself and on the WP4 calls. However, this can be discussed during the call. Or any time later. Looking forward to the call. Cheers Tanya
On 30/10/15 08:04, Greg Shatan wrote:
All,
As promised, here is the document I propose as the starting point for our drafting. Since the portion where I edited down the comment analysis is difficult to read in the marked version, I've also included a clean version.
I look forward to our call.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
Leon and all,
On point 3, I don't understand why we would be adding to or amending the Second Public Comment document. This document has now been published as part of the CCWG's overall review of the public comments. I think this document is pretty much closed.
On the other hand, we were working on a rationale document in a Google Doc before the public comment analysis and then Dublin took over our lives. I think what we need to do is work on a document that uses as its starting point (i) the second draft report section on human rights, (ii) pieces of the rationale document, (iii) a fairly brief discussion/analysis of the comments and (iv) the new material provided by Leon. The ultimate goal should be to turn this into the human rights section of the next draft of the report. I've been working on such a document and should have a draft shortly. I won't have it as far along as I'd hoped, due to a medical emergency in my family, but hopefully it will be far enough along to give a sense of where it could go.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:29 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía < <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:
Dear all,
In anticipation for our call, I suggest the following agenda:
1. Welcome 2. Explanation by Paul Twomey on practical steps involved in changes of TLD operator (focused on ccTLD) 3. Review of proposed addition to our PC2 document 4 AOB
Of course, and as usual, this agenda is a suggestion and open for amendments.
Staff,
Please be ready to display the document in the AC room.
Best regards,
León
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I've dialled in but all I get is a recorded message saying a co-ordinator will assist me momentarily repeated ad nauseam. On 30/10/15 14:57, Greg Shatan wrote:
As Tanya requested, I've uploaded the clean version of the document circulated last night to Google Drive. Here is the link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bm0NnIq35j3-EwmBwKEjSOJia-c10wv0mhHytngT...
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina@mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de>> wrote:
Hi Greg, thanks a lot for providing this starting point for the rationale document and for pointing out that we have to proceed with what is meant to be "explanatory" document for the bylaw language. Would it be possible to share this new draft (clean version) as a Google doc, so anyone can work on it after (and during, may be) the call? I think Google docs were really helpful in our previous work. Only if you have time to do this, of course. Thanks a million! I also believe that we might consider changing the structure of the part which was meant to be the rationale document (the text from the old Google doc). I remember there were some comments and suggestion for amending/restructuring this "rationale" part in the Google doc itself and on the WP4 calls. However, this can be discussed during the call. Or any time later. Looking forward to the call. Cheers Tanya
On 30/10/15 08:04, Greg Shatan wrote:
All,
As promised, here is the document I propose as the starting point for our drafting. Since the portion where I edited down the comment analysis is difficult to read in the marked version, I've also included a clean version.
I look forward to our call.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> wrote:
Leon and all,
On point 3, I don't understand why we would be adding to or amending the Second Public Comment document. This document has now been published as part of the CCWG's overall review of the public comments. I think this document is pretty much closed.
On the other hand, we were working on a rationale document in a Google Doc before the public comment analysis and then Dublin took over our lives. I think what we need to do is work on a document that uses as its starting point (i) the second draft report section on human rights, (ii) pieces of the rationale document, (iii) a fairly brief discussion/analysis of the comments and (iv) the new material provided by Leon. The ultimate goal should be to turn this into the human rights section of the next draft of the report. I've been working on such a document and should have a draft shortly. I won't have it as far along as I'd hoped, due to a medical emergency in my family, but hopefully it will be far enough along to give a sense of where it could go.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:29 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> wrote:
Dear all,
In anticipation for our call, I suggest the following agenda:
1. Welcome 2. Explanation by Paul Twomey on practical steps involved in changes of TLD operator (focused on ccTLD) 3. Review of proposed addition to our PC2 document 4 AOB
Of course, and as usual, this agenda is a suggestion and open for amendments.
Staff,
Please be ready to display the document in the AC room.
Best regards,
León
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Took me about 5 minutes to get an operator On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
I've dialled in but all I get is a recorded message saying a co-ordinator will assist me momentarily repeated ad nauseam.
On 30/10/15 14:57, Greg Shatan wrote:
As Tanya requested, I've uploaded the clean version of the document circulated last night to Google Drive. Here is the link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bm0NnIq35j3-EwmBwKEjSOJia-c10wv0mhHytngT...
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina@mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de>> wrote:
Hi Greg, thanks a lot for providing this starting point for the rationale document and for pointing out that we have to proceed with what is meant to be "explanatory" document for the bylaw language. Would it be possible to share this new draft (clean version) as a Google doc, so anyone can work on it after (and during, may be) the call? I think Google docs were really helpful in our previous work. Only if you have time to do this, of course. Thanks a million! I also believe that we might consider changing the structure of the part which was meant to be the rationale document (the text from the old Google doc). I remember there were some comments and suggestion for amending/restructuring this "rationale" part in the Google doc itself and on the WP4 calls. However, this can be discussed during the call. Or any time later. Looking forward to the call. Cheers Tanya
On 30/10/15 08:04, Greg Shatan wrote:
All,
As promised, here is the document I propose as the starting point for our drafting. Since the portion where I edited down the comment analysis is difficult to read in the marked version, I've also included a clean version.
I look forward to our call.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> wrote:
Leon and all,
On point 3, I don't understand why we would be adding to or amending the Second Public Comment document. This document has now been published as part of the CCWG's overall review of the public comments. I think this document is pretty much closed.
On the other hand, we were working on a rationale document in a Google Doc before the public comment analysis and then Dublin took over our lives. I think what we need to do is work on a document that uses as its starting point (i) the second draft report section on human rights, (ii) pieces of the rationale document, (iii) a fairly brief discussion/analysis of the comments and (iv) the new material provided by Leon. The ultimate goal should be to turn this into the human rights section of the next draft of the report. I've been working on such a document and should have a draft shortly. I won't have it as far along as I'd hoped, due to a medical emergency in my family, but hopefully it will be far enough along to give a sense of where it could go.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:29 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> wrote:
Dear all,
In anticipation for our call, I suggest the following agenda:
1. Welcome 2. Explanation by Paul Twomey on practical steps involved in changes of TLD operator (focused on ccTLD) 3. Review of proposed addition to our PC2 document 4 AOB
Of course, and as usual, this agenda is a suggestion and open for amendments.
Staff,
Please be ready to display the document in the AC room.
Best regards,
León
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I'm in now, but no access to Adobe. I've been trying to let Leon know I want to speak to Paul's points . . . On 30/10/15 15:04, Greg Shatan wrote:
Took me about 5 minutes to get an operator
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:
I've dialled in but all I get is a recorded message saying a co-ordinator will assist me momentarily repeated ad nauseam.
On 30/10/15 14:57, Greg Shatan wrote:
As Tanya requested, I've uploaded the clean version of the document circulated last night to Google Drive. Here is the link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bm0NnIq35j3-EwmBwKEjSOJia-c10wv0mhHytngT...
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina@mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de> <mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de>>> wrote:
Hi Greg, thanks a lot for providing this starting point for the rationale document and for pointing out that we have to proceed with what is meant to be "explanatory" document for the bylaw language. Would it be possible to share this new draft (clean version) as a Google doc, so anyone can work on it after (and during, may be) the call? I think Google docs were really helpful in our previous work. Only if you have time to do this, of course. Thanks a million! I also believe that we might consider changing the structure of the part which was meant to be the rationale document (the text from the old Google doc). I remember there were some comments and suggestion for amending/restructuring this "rationale" part in the Google doc itself and on the WP4 calls. However, this can be discussed during the call. Or any time later. Looking forward to the call. Cheers Tanya
On 30/10/15 08:04, Greg Shatan wrote:
All,
As promised, here is the document I propose as the starting point for our drafting. Since the portion where I edited down the comment analysis is difficult to read in the marked version, I've also included a clean version.
I look forward to our call.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Leon and all,
On point 3, I don't understand why we would be adding to or amending the Second Public Comment document. This document has now been published as part of the CCWG's overall review of the public comments. I think this document is pretty much closed.
On the other hand, we were working on a rationale document in a Google Doc before the public comment analysis and then Dublin took over our lives. I think what we need to do is work on a document that uses as its starting point (i) the second draft report section on human rights, (ii) pieces of the rationale document, (iii) a fairly brief discussion/analysis of the comments and (iv) the new material provided by Leon. The ultimate goal should be to turn this into the human rights section of the next draft of the report. I've been working on such a document and should have a draft shortly. I won't have it as far along as I'd hoped, due to a medical emergency in my family, but hopefully it will be far enough along to give a sense of where it could go.
Greg
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:29 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>>leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>>> wrote:
Dear all,
In anticipation for our call, I suggest the following agenda:
1. Welcome 2. Explanation by Paul Twomey on practical steps involved in changes of TLD operator (focused on ccTLD) 3. Review of proposed addition to our PC2 document 4 AOB
Of course, and as usual, this agenda is a suggestion and open for amendments.
Staff,
Please be ready to display the document in the AC room.
Best regards,
León
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Greg, I think this is a helpful addition. I think your final three questions are key: · What does this bylaw accomplish? · Will ICANN’s approach to policy development and implementation change in any way? · Will this have any effect on ICANN as a corporation, including as an employer and as a purchaser of goods and services? They are very similar to the questions I asked Niels earlier this week. I would add one more: “What are we trying to achieve and what is necessary to achieve it?” Perhaps just adding a 12th point to the core values in Section 2 of the bylaws would be sufficient, e.g.: Section 2. CORE VALUES In performing its mission, the following core values should guide the decisions and actions of ICANN: 12. In its operations, ICANN will respect internationally recognized human rights. Best, Brett From: wp4-bounces@icann.org [mailto:wp4-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 3:04 AM To: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía Cc: ACCT-Staff; wp4@icann.org Subject: Re: [Wp4] Agenda for our call All, As promised, here is the document I propose as the starting point for our drafting. Since the portion where I edited down the comment analysis is difficult to read in the marked version, I've also included a clean version. I look forward to our call. Greg On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> wrote: Leon and all, On point 3, I don't understand why we would be adding to or amending the Second Public Comment document. This document has now been published as part of the CCWG's overall review of the public comments. I think this document is pretty much closed. On the other hand, we were working on a rationale document in a Google Doc before the public comment analysis and then Dublin took over our lives. I think what we need to do is work on a document that uses as its starting point (i) the second draft report section on human rights, (ii) pieces of the rationale document, (iii) a fairly brief discussion/analysis of the comments and (iv) the new material provided by Leon. The ultimate goal should be to turn this into the human rights section of the next draft of the report. I've been working on such a document and should have a draft shortly. I won't have it as far along as I'd hoped, due to a medical emergency in my family, but hopefully it will be far enough along to give a sense of where it could go. Greg On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:29 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> wrote: Dear all, In anticipation for our call, I suggest the following agenda: 1. Welcome 2. Explanation by Paul Twomey on practical steps involved in changes of TLD operator (focused on ccTLD) 3. Review of proposed addition to our PC2 document 4 AOB Of course, and as usual, this agenda is a suggestion and open for amendments. Staff, Please be ready to display the document in the AC room. Best regards, León ________________________________ Brett Schaefer Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy The Heritage Foundation 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Washington, DC 20002 202-608-6097 heritage.org<http://heritage.org/> _______________________________________________ Wp4 mailing list Wp4@icann.org<mailto:Wp4@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wp4
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