CCWG - WP4 Poll on referencing existing documents
All, Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not. Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list: - Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? - Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? - Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)? Thank you. Staff for Leon Sanchez.
Thanks Bernie, My answers: Question 1- Yes Question 2- Yes Question 3- N/A Best regards, León
El 06/10/2015, a las 7:10 p.m., Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> escribió:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
Staff for Leon Sanchez.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Thanks Bernie, My answers: Question 1 - No Question 2 - No Question 3 - UDHR, ICCPR, ICESCR Best, Niels On 10/07/2015 02:23 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:
Thanks Bernie,
My answers:
Question 1- Yes
Question 2- Yes
Question 3- N/A
Best regards,
León
El 06/10/2015, a las 7:10 p.m., Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com <mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>> escribió:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
* Question 1 - Should there be a reference to ?a ? specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
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Q1: Undecided Q2: No Q3: International bill of human rights , Regional and Domestic commitments to same. On Oct 6, 2015 8:13 PM, "Bernard Turcotte" <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
- Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? - Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? - Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
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1 - no preference 2 - yes 3 - none On 07/10/2015 01:44, Rudolph Daniel wrote:
Q1: Undecided
Q2: No
Q3: International bill of human rights , Regional and Domestic commitments to same.
On Oct 6, 2015 8:13 PM, "Bernard Turcotte" <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com <mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>> wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
* Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
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Question 1: No. ICANN does not include references to other specific documents in its governing documents, particularly external documents that can be changed without ICANN’s consent or inputs. Question 2: N/A Question 3: N/A From: <wp4-bounces@icann.org<mailto:wp4-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com<mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 5:10 PM To: "wp4@icann.org<mailto:wp4@icann.org>" <wp4@icann.org<mailto:wp4@icann.org>> Subject: [Wp4] CCWG - WP4 Poll on referencing existing documents All, Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not. Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list: * Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)? Thank you. Staff for Leon Sanchez.
On 07/10/15 01:54, Samantha Eisner wrote:
Question 1: No. ICANN does not include references to other specific documents in its governing documents, particularly external documents that can be changed without ICANN’s consent or inputs.
With respect, (a) the UDHR is not going to change. (b) the By Law can refer to the text as ratified.
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Nigel, as much as I dislike to agree with ICANN Legal on anything :-)-O, Ms Eisner may have a point here. Not from a legal perspective, ie "as ratified" but from the corporate (including entering into (future) financial commitments "blindly"). I will go with the Consensus on this, but maybe we want to look at this some more. el On 2015-10-07 10:53, Nigel Roberts wrote:
On 07/10/15 01:54, Samantha Eisner wrote:
Question 1: No. ICANN does not include references to other specific documents in its governing documents, particularly external documents that can be changed without ICANN’s consent or inputs.
With respect,
(a) the UDHR is not going to change. (b) the By Law can refer to the text as ratified.
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I'm actually more with Paul Twomey. Here's my thinking. The UDHR is a world-wide, universally respected statement of basic human rights. Including a vague committement to 'human rights' might be later interpreted to mean ICANN was committed to something we haven't even considered. But the important thing is this: that we include the qualifier that the committment is in the context of ICANN's specified mission, and not wider. On 07/10/15 10:07, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
Nigel,
as much as I dislike to agree with ICANN Legal on anything :-)-O, Ms Eisner may have a point here.
Not from a legal perspective, ie "as ratified" but from the corporate (including entering into (future) financial commitments "blindly").
I will go with the Consensus on this, but maybe we want to look at this some more.
el
On 2015-10-07 10:53, Nigel Roberts wrote:
On 07/10/15 01:54, Samantha Eisner wrote:
Question 1: No. ICANN does not include references to other specific documents in its governing documents, particularly external documents that can be changed without ICANN’s consent or inputs.
With respect,
(a) the UDHR is not going to change. (b) the By Law can refer to the text as ratified.
Nigel +1. Legally speaking, Sam might be correct, but politically speaking this is irrelevant. The UDHR - luckily - is as good as cast in stone and trying to amend it would be a non starter. During WSIS, human rights, alongside Internet governance, was one of the most controversial issues. After many hours of negotiations the UDHR was the only HR instrument that Member States agreed to include as a specific reference. It was — and I suppose still is - the lowest common denominator that satisfies everyone. Best regards Markus On 07 Oct 2015, at 10:53, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
On 07/10/15 01:54, Samantha Eisner wrote:
Question 1: No. ICANN does not include references to other specific documents in its governing documents, particularly external documents that can be changed without ICANN’s consent or inputs.
With respect,
(a) the UDHR is not going to change. (b) the By Law can refer to the text as ratified.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi all, Just for reference, the NETmundial document references: - - international human rights legal obligations, including the International Covenants on Civil and Political Rights and Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. Since these are all internationally ratified documents, we can be quite sure these are not going to change. Best, Niels On 10/07/2015 11:24 AM, Markus Kummer wrote:
Nigel +1.
Legally speaking, Sam might be correct, but politically speaking this is irrelevant. The UDHR - luckily - is as good as cast in stone and trying to amend it would be a non starter.
During WSIS, human rights, alongside Internet governance, was one of the most controversial issues. After many hours of negotiations the UDHR was the only HR instrument that Member States agreed to include as a specific reference. It was — and I suppose still is - the lowest common denominator that satisfies everyone.
Best regards Markus
On 07 Oct 2015, at 10:53, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
On 07/10/15 01:54, Samantha Eisner wrote:
Question 1: No. ICANN does not include references to other specific documents in its governing documents, particularly external documents that can be changed without ICANN’s consent or inputs.
With respect,
(a) the UDHR is not going to change. (b) the By Law can refer to the text as ratified.
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Question 1: No - whatever is in the bylaw affects the 3 operational communities one way or the other. At least 2 of those communities (IETF, RIR, plus some ccTLDs) don't have such hard-coding in their governing documents. Let's not sperate IANA earlier than we thought. Question 2 & 3: N/A Thanks Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 7 Oct 2015 01:13, "Bernard Turcotte" <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
- Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? - Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? - Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
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On 06-Oct-15 20:10, Bernard Turcotte wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
* Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)?
i am fine either way.
* Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)?
yes
* Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
that is be guided by the Guiding Principles on business and human rights Apologies for missing the call. Remembered the wrong time zones time. avri
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Q1: no Q2: not only Q3: see Niels, but others could also be relevant best Jorge Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 07.10.2015 um 02:13 schrieb Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com<mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>>: All, Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not. Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list: * Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)? Thank you. Staff for Leon Sanchez. _______________________________________________ Wp4 mailing list Wp4@icann.org<mailto:Wp4@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wp4
1. Yes 2. Yes 3. None Greg On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch> wrote:
Q1: no Q2: not only Q3: see Niels, but others could also be relevant
best
Jorge
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Am 07.10.2015 um 02:13 schrieb Bernard Turcotte < turcotte.bernard@gmail.com <javascript:;><mailto: turcotte.bernard@gmail.com <javascript:;>>>:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
* Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
Staff for Leon Sanchez.
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Hi, same, I agree with Niels: Question 1 - No Question 2 - No Question 3 - UDHR, ICCPR, ICESCR Rafik 2015-10-07 13:36 GMT+09:00 <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>:
Q1: no Q2: not only Q3: see Niels, but others could also be relevant
best
Jorge
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Am 07.10.2015 um 02:13 schrieb Bernard Turcotte < turcotte.bernard@gmail.com<mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>>:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
* Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
Staff for Leon Sanchez.
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Hello everyone, Question 1 - No Question 2 - Not only Question 3 - UDHR, ICCPR, ICESCR Thanks Marilia Em 07/10/2015 05:37, <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch> escreveu:
Q1: no Q2: not only Q3: see Niels, but others could also be relevant
best
Jorge
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Am 07.10.2015 um 02:13 schrieb Bernard Turcotte < turcotte.bernard@gmail.com<mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>>:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
* Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
Staff for Leon Sanchez.
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Dear Bernard My answers to your three questions in the poll are as follows: Q.1 No Q.2 No Q.3 UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights Best regards Mark Mark Carvell United Kingdom Representative on the Governmental Advisory Committee of ICANN Global Internet Governance Policy Department for Culture, Media and Sport mark.carvell@culture.gov.uk tel +44 (0) 20 7211 6062 On 7 October 2015 at 01:10, Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
- Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? - Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? - Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
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Hi my answers to the three questions is as follows: Q.1 No Q.2 No Q.3 UDHR & UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights Wolfgang
I agree 1. No 2. No 3. UDHR & UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 7, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
Hi
my answers to the three questions is as follows:
Q.1 No Q.2 No Q.3 UDHR & UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights
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1: No 2: N/A 3: N/A In a formal Consensus Call I will not raise an objection either way. el On 2015-10-07 02:10, Bernard Turcotte wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
* Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
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Hi My answers Q1 - No Q2 - No Q3 - three documents: UDHR, ICCPR, ICESCR Tatiana On 07/10/15 02:10, Bernard Turcotte wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
* Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
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Question 1 - No Question 2 - No Question 3 - UDHR, ICCPR, ICESCR Robin On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina wrote:
Hi
My answers
Q1 - No Q2 - No Q3 - three documents: UDHR, ICCPR, ICESCR
Tatiana
On 07/10/15 02:10, Bernard Turcotte wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
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On 07/10/15 01:10, Bernard Turcotte wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
* Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)?
Yes,
* Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)?
Yes.
* Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
The UDHR is the only instrument that is of sufficient universality.
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Question 1: Yes Question 2: Yes Question 3: n/a Markus On 07 Oct 2015, at 02:10, Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
• Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? • Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? • Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
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1. No 2. Yes 3. Not applicable Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com<mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>> wrote: All, Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not. Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list: * Question 1 - Should there be a reference to ?a ? specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)? Thank you. Staff for Leon Sanchez. _______________________________________________ Wp4 mailing list Wp4@icann.org<mailto:Wp4@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wp4
Hi Bernie, My answers: 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. None David McAuley From: wp4-bounces@icann.org [mailto:wp4-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Turcotte Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 8:10 PM To: wp4@icann.org Subject: [Wp4] CCWG - WP4 Poll on referencing existing documents All, Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not. Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list: * Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)? Thank you. Staff for Leon Sanchez.
1 No 2 No 3 - my read is if one answers 1 and 2 with No then 3 is irrelevant. I note that some others have, however, put in the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for 3 even thought they have said no to 1 and 2. I repeat my objection to the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights because of the sections which would make ICANN responsible for the Human Rights actions of its associated parties (in ICANN's case I can see this being applied to the actions of ccTLDS in authoritarian countries). Paul On 10/7/15 11:10 AM, Bernard Turcotte wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
* Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
Staff for Leon Sanchez.
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Besides this statement being quite peculiar, my understanding is that we are talking about "within ICANN's mission". Please explain the "Associated Parties" bit some more. ICANN only recently stated in the Appeal going on in DC that they can NOT act on ccTLDs. The only reason why ICANN can do anything to/with ccTLD is because they control the root. greetings, el On 2015-10-07 16:01, Paul Twomey wrote: [...]
I repeat my objection to the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights because of the sections which would make ICANN responsible for the Human Rights actions of its associated parties (in ICANN's case I can see this being applied to the actions of ccTLDS in authoritarian countries). [...]
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Question 1: No Question 2: Yes Question 3: I'm not sure yet, but if we have to have a list then we would have to strike the perfect balance between making it extensive in terms of the rights covered without making it too long in terms of the language and a list Warm Regards Vipul On 7 Oct 2015 05:43, "Bernard Turcotte" <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
- Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? - Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? - Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
Staff for Leon Sanchez.
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Apologies for missing the call and being slow but my answers are: No Yes I don’t know Paul Paul Rosenzweig <mailto:Paul.rosenzweig@gmail.com> Paul.rosenzweig@gmail.com +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 Costa Rica: +506 7008 3964 Our travel blog: <http://www.paulandkatyexcellentadventure.blogspot.com/> www.paulandkatyexcellentadventure.blogspot.com My professional blog: <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com/> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...> Link to my PGP Key From: wp4-bounces@icann.org [mailto:wp4-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Vipul Kharbanda Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:30 PM To: Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> Cc: wp4@icann.org Subject: Re: [Wp4] CCWG - WP4 Poll on referencing existing documents Question 1: No Question 2: Yes Question 3: I'm not sure yet, but if we have to have a list then we would have to strike the perfect balance between making it extensive in terms of the rights covered without making it too long in terms of the language and a list Warm Regards Vipul On 7 Oct 2015 05:43, "Bernard Turcotte" <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com <mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> > wrote: All, Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not. Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list: * Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? * Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? * Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)? Thank you. Staff for Leon Sanchez. _______________________________________________ Wp4 mailing list Wp4@icann.org <mailto:Wp4@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wp4
All,
Question 1 - No Question 2 - Yes Question 3 - N/a
Best regards, Gonzalo Navarro El 06-10-2015, a las 21:10, Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> escribió:
All,
Following today's WP4 it was decided to poll the WP4 participants on the subject of referring to existing human rights instruments or not.
Please complete the following by 23:59 UTC Wednesday October 7th 2015 by replying to the WP4 list:
Question 1 - Should there be a reference to a specific document in the Bylaws text regarding human rights proposed by the CCWG (Yes or No)? Question 2 - If a document reference is included should it be the UDHR (yes or no)? Question 3 - If not UDHR what other document or documents should be referred to (list)?
Thank you.
Staff for Leon Sanchez.
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participants (26)
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"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" -
Avri Doria -
Bernard Turcotte -
Blackler, Ellen M. -
Carolina Rossini ＠ PK -
Dr Eberhard W Lisse -
Dr. Tatiana Tropina -
Gonzalo Navarro -
Greg Shatan -
Jorge.Cancio＠bakom.admin.ch -
León Felipe Sánchez Ambía -
Marilia Maciel -
Mark Carvell -
Markus Kummer -
Matthew Shears -
McAuley, David -
Niels ten Oever -
Nigel Roberts -
Paul Rosenzweig -
Paul Twomey -
Rafik Dammak -
Robin Gross -
Rudolph Daniel -
Samantha Eisner -
Seun Ojedeji -
Vipul Kharbanda