Dear All, In view of what I said in previous message, The following should are the amendments that I suggest. See Attachment Regards Kavouss 2017-02-21 13:29 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>:

Dear Niels, At our last meeting , ANN and someone else tried to treat GAC and two other SOs namely GNSO and ccNSO in regard with respecting Human Rights quite differently to which I objected. The two supporting organizations provide re3commendations to ICANN Board based on their respective PDP developed. GAC provide Advice to the Board based on Public Policy issues . The treatment of these output by ICANN Board must be equal. In other words if they are examined against respecting, all three should undergo that criteria if not none of them. Consequently the text in the document must have equal weighting and equal status. I also do not understand one GAC member indicating GAC Advice should respect Human Rights, which I have problem on that, but that GAC member did not say that GNSO and ccNSO policies must also respect Human Rights. The unequal treatment that was mentioned by that GAC member is inappropriate Regards Kavouss

2017-02-21 9:12 GMT+01:00 <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>:

...

Please accept my apologies. Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC is for the time being not feasible for me due to other commitments.

Kind regards

Jorge

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Dear all,

I hope this email finds you well. Please find underneath and attached the proposed agenda.

1. Administrivia Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc 2. Discussion of work-in-progress considerations document by drafting team 3. AOB

Please find also attached the current version of the work-in-progress considerations document, which at this moment is a rough sketch for discussion in the drafting group.

It can also be found here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KJfmglI5wBib7T5hgIMMysO7 x6J3Oi5NYwN4AItZjkY/edit

I'm greatly looking forward to talk to you all tomorrow.

Best,

Niels

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Kavouss, I in fact said the opposite of what you are asserting and asked that the notes be corrected in this regard. GNSO policy-making and GAC policy-making should both be affected and Mark Cavell was simply confirming this principle. I think you misinterpreted both of us. I hope this is now clear. Unfortunately I will be unable to participate in the call today due to client conflicts. Thank you, Anne Anne E. Aikman-Scalese Of Counsel 520.629.4428 office 520.879.4725 fax AAikman@lrrc.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com> _____________________________ [cid:image003.png@01D28C29.210E0380] Lewis Roca Rothgerber Christie LLP One South Church Avenue, Suite 700 Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611 lrrc.com<http://lrrc.com/> From: ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:47 AM To: <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch> Cc: <ws2-hr@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ws2-hr] Proposed Agenda February 21 19:00 UTC Dear All, In view of what I said in previous message, The following should are the amendments that I suggest. See Attachment Regards Kavouss 2017-02-21 13:29 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>>: Dear Niels, At our last meeting , ANN and someone else tried to treat GAC and two other SOs namely GNSO and ccNSO in regard with respecting Human Rights quite differently to which I objected. The two supporting organizations provide re3commendations to ICANN Board based on their respective PDP developed. GAC provide Advice to the Board based on Public Policy issues . The treatment of these output by ICANN Board must be equal. In other words if they are examined against respecting, all three should undergo that criteria if not none of them. Consequently the text in the document must have equal weighting and equal status. I also do not understand one GAC member indicating GAC Advice should respect Human Rights, which I have problem on that, but that GAC member did not say that GNSO and ccNSO policies must also respect Human Rights. The unequal treatment that was mentioned by that GAC member is inappropriate Regards Kavouss 2017-02-21 9:12 GMT+01:00 <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>: Please accept my apologies. Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC is for the time being not feasible for me due to other commitments. Kind regards Jorge -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Niels ten Oever Gesendet: Montag, 20. Februar 2017 21:37 An: ws2-hr <ws2-hr@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org>> Betreff: [Ws2-hr] Proposed Agenda February 21 19:00 UTC Dear all, I hope this email finds you well. Please find underneath and attached the proposed agenda. 1. Administrivia Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc 2. Discussion of work-in-progress considerations document by drafting team 3. AOB Please find also attached the current version of the work-in-progress considerations document, which at this moment is a rough sketch for discussion in the drafting group. It can also be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KJfmglI5wBib7T5hgIMMysO7x6J3Oi5NYwN4AItZ... I'm greatly looking forward to talk to you all tomorrow. Best, Niels -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org<http://www.article19.org> PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 _______________________________________________ Ws2-hr mailing list Ws2-hr@icann.org<mailto:Ws2-hr@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-hr ________________________________ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If the reader of this message or an attachment is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message or attachment to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender. The information transmitted in this message and any attachments may be privileged, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the intended recipients, and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §2510-2521.

I agree all policy-making is affected. I also think that if we do not note in the answer to Annex 12 questions that there will be a need for balancing of Human Rights themselves (in addition to balancing of Core Values), then we are acting like ostriches with our heads stuck in the ground. Even the EU Court of Human Rights has to engage in a balancing act. This is normal and appropriate. There is in effect no real freedom of expression if rights of authors, artists, and indigenous peoples are not protected. And there is no right to speak anonymously on the Internet, in particular if that speech is commercial speech that hurts consumers. I would suggest we add this very important topic to the face-to-face discussion in Copenhagen. Anne Anne E. Aikman-Scalese Of Counsel 520.629.4428 office 520.879.4725 fax AAikman@lrrc.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com> _____________________________ [cid:image004.png@01D28C2E.31191F80] Lewis Roca Rothgerber Christie LLP One South Church Avenue, Suite 700 Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611 lrrc.com<http://lrrc.com/> From: ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Tatiana Tropina Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:19 AM To: ws2-hr@icann.org Subject: Re: [Ws2-hr] Proposed Agenda February 21 19:00 UTC Hi Anne and Kavouss and all, I want to clarify that I added Kavouss suggestion so it won't get lost and we can decide on the call among the group whether we want to add this or not. It's a good point to clarify for the purpose of FoI anyway. I personally think all policy making + ICANN Board + ICANN org are affected by the Core Value. Which means, GNSO, GAC and other ACs and SOs - all. Well, I am looking forward to the discussion on the call. Warm regards, Tanya On 21/02/17 17:59, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote: Kavouss, I in fact said the opposite of what you are asserting and asked that the notes be corrected in this regard. GNSO policy-making and GAC policy-making should both be affected and Mark Cavell was simply confirming this principle. I think you misinterpreted both of us. I hope this is now clear. Unfortunately I will be unable to participate in the call today due to client conflicts. Thank you, Anne Anne E. Aikman-Scalese Of Counsel 520.629.4428 office 520.879.4725 fax AAikman@lrrc.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com> _____________________________ [cid:image003.png@01D28C2E.30F60720] Lewis Roca Rothgerber Christie LLP One South Church Avenue, Suite 700 Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611 lrrc.com<http://lrrc.com/> From: ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:47 AM To: <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch> Cc: <ws2-hr@icann.org><mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ws2-hr] Proposed Agenda February 21 19:00 UTC Dear All, In view of what I said in previous message, The following should are the amendments that I suggest. See Attachment Regards Kavouss 2017-02-21 13:29 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>>: Dear Niels, At our last meeting , ANN and someone else tried to treat GAC and two other SOs namely GNSO and ccNSO in regard with respecting Human Rights quite differently to which I objected. The two supporting organizations provide re3commendations to ICANN Board based on their respective PDP developed. GAC provide Advice to the Board based on Public Policy issues . The treatment of these output by ICANN Board must be equal. In other words if they are examined against respecting, all three should undergo that criteria if not none of them. Consequently the text in the document must have equal weighting and equal status. I also do not understand one GAC member indicating GAC Advice should respect Human Rights, which I have problem on that, but that GAC member did not say that GNSO and ccNSO policies must also respect Human Rights. The unequal treatment that was mentioned by that GAC member is inappropriate Regards Kavouss 2017-02-21 9:12 GMT+01:00 <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>: Please accept my apologies. Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC is for the time being not feasible for me due to other commitments. Kind regards Jorge -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Niels ten Oever Gesendet: Montag, 20. Februar 2017 21:37 An: ws2-hr <ws2-hr@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org>> Betreff: [Ws2-hr] Proposed Agenda February 21 19:00 UTC Dear all, I hope this email finds you well. Please find underneath and attached the proposed agenda. 1. Administrivia Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc 2. Discussion of work-in-progress considerations document by drafting team 3. AOB Please find also attached the current version of the work-in-progress considerations document, which at this moment is a rough sketch for discussion in the drafting group. It can also be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KJfmglI5wBib7T5hgIMMysO7x6J3Oi5NYwN4AItZ... I'm greatly looking forward to talk to you all tomorrow. Best, Niels -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org<http://www.article19.org> PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 _______________________________________________ Ws2-hr mailing list Ws2-hr@icann.org<mailto:Ws2-hr@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-hr ________________________________ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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