Dublin schedule changes and work plan
Dear Colleagues, AC/SO leaders held a call with ICANN staff this morning. There was broad agreement to select the moderate plan for changing schedules in Dublin. It’s known as Option B, shown in attachment and below. We are grateful to the SO/AC leaders and Icann staff for their flexibility. The CCWG remains in charge of deciding how best it plans to use these slots. Some logistical constraints are however to be expected due to the room arrangements. The co-chairs suggest the following tentative rough agenda for the set of Dublin meetings, for your consideration and feedbacks during the call in a few hours: - Friday : finalize public comment assessment based on WP outcomes, list areas of consensus and refinements, identify a candidate way forward on outstanding issues - Saturday : break out sessions facilitated by XPlane to flesh out candidate way forward - Monday : Review and refine outcome of break out sessions, initial assessment of timeline for finalization of report - Tuesday : SO/AC engagement (not a CCWG session as such) - Wednesday : Taking stock of SO/AC engagement, further refinements - Thursday : Taking stock ; finalizing work plan beyond Dublin including timeline. Best regards, Mathieu PS: Please accept my apologies for not attending the meeting later today, due to a conflicting commitment Option B: Moderate Change to ICANN54 Schedule Adding onto Option A, for increased cross-community discussion the SO-AC-SG-RALO Community Roundtable on Friday, 16 October will be cancelled so that all participants of that meeting are able to attend the CCWG-Accountability Working Session that day for the last 3 hours. In addition, the main Auditorium on Monday, 19 October will be rescheduled to allow for a full afternoon of cross-community accountability discussions. Additionally, time slots will also be made available to provide working sessions for the CCWG-Accountability. To not interfere with any Board-SO/AC interactions on Wednesday, as many as possible will move to an extended Constituency Day schedule on Tuesday, 20 October. -- ***************************** Mathieu WEILL AFNIC - directeur général Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06 mathieu.weill@afnic.fr Twitter : @mathieuweill *****************************
NOT acceptable. In particular not on such short notice and it seems to conflict with what was agreed upon, namely moderate extension of the Friday and Thursday scheduled meetings. Saturday may or may not be possible. Monday conflicts with TechDay. Tuesday and Wednesday conflicts with ccNSO meeting days and DNSSEC. Who are "AC/SO leaders"? Where are they defined in the Bylaws, and what can they decide on behalf of others such as appointed members? el On 2015-10-13 09:30, Mathieu Weill wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
AC/SO leaders held a call with ICANN staff this morning. There was broad agreement to select the moderate plan for changing schedules in Dublin.
It’s known as Option B, shown in attachment and below. We are grateful to the SO/AC leaders and Icann staff for their flexibility.
The CCWG remains in charge of deciding how best it plans to use these slots. Some logistical constraints are however to be expected due to the room arrangements.
The co-chairs suggest the following tentative rough agenda for the set of Dublin meetings, for your consideration and feedbacks during the call in a few hours:
- Friday : finalize public comment assessment based on WP outcomes, list areas of consensus and refinements, identify a candidate way forward on outstanding issues - Saturday : break out sessions facilitated by XPlane to flesh out candidate way forward - Monday : Review and refine outcome of break out sessions, initial assessment of timeline for finalization of report - Tuesday : SO/AC engagement (not a CCWG session as such) - Wednesday : Taking stock of SO/AC engagement, further refinements - Thursday : Taking stock ; finalizing work plan beyond Dublin including timeline.
Best regards, Mathieu
PS: Please accept my apologies for not attending the meeting later today, due to a conflicting commitment
Option B: Moderate Change to ICANN54 Schedule
Adding onto Option A, for increased cross-community discussion the SO-AC-SG-RALO Community Roundtable on Friday, 16 October will be cancelled so that all participants of that meeting are able to attend the CCWG-Accountability Working Session that day for the last 3 hours. In addition, the main Auditorium on Monday, 19 October will be rescheduled to allow for a full afternoon of cross-community accountability discussions. Additionally, time slots will also be made available to provide working sessions for the CCWG-Accountability. To not interfere with any Board-SO/AC interactions on Wednesday, as many as possible will move to an extended Constituency Day schedule on Tuesday, 20 October.
-- ***************************** Mathieu WEILL AFNIC - directeur général Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06 mathieu.weill@afnic.fr Twitter : @mathieuweill *****************************
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Colleagues I strongly object to this behind-the-scenes way of working. Can you please list (a) the "AC/SO leaders" and the powers they have in the Charter to do this. This appears to be to be DELIBERATELY exclusionary. Many of us participatns have already got committments for most of this five day long meeting. It is ENTIRELY UNACCEPTABLE to make such a decision as people are already getting on aeroplanes. I wish to invoke the Reconsideration procedure, please. On 13/10/15 08:30, Mathieu Weill wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
AC/SO leaders held a call with ICANN staff this morning. There was broad agreement to select the moderate plan for changing schedules in Dublin.
It’s known as Option B, shown in attachment and below. We are grateful to the SO/AC leaders and Icann staff for their flexibility.
The CCWG remains in charge of deciding how best it plans to use these slots. Some logistical constraints are however to be expected due to the room arrangements.
The co-chairs suggest the following tentative rough agenda for the set of Dublin meetings, for your consideration and feedbacks during the call in a few hours:
- Friday : finalize public comment assessment based on WP outcomes, list areas of consensus and refinements, identify a candidate way forward on outstanding issues - Saturday : break out sessions facilitated by XPlane to flesh out candidate way forward - Monday : Review and refine outcome of break out sessions, initial assessment of timeline for finalization of report - Tuesday : SO/AC engagement (not a CCWG session as such) - Wednesday : Taking stock of SO/AC engagement, further refinements - Thursday : Taking stock ; finalizing work plan beyond Dublin including timeline.
Best regards, Mathieu
PS: Please accept my apologies for not attending the meeting later today, due to a conflicting commitment
Option B: Moderate Change to ICANN54 Schedule
Adding onto Option A, for increased cross-community discussion the SO-AC-SG-RALO Community Roundtable on Friday, 16 October will be cancelled so that all participants of that meeting are able to attend the CCWG-Accountability Working Session that day for the last 3 hours. In addition, the main Auditorium on Monday, 19 October will be rescheduled to allow for a full afternoon of cross-community accountability discussions. Additionally, time slots will also be made available to provide working sessions for the CCWG-Accountability. To not interfere with any Board-SO/AC interactions on Wednesday, as many as possible will move to an extended Constituency Day schedule on Tuesday, 20 October.
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Hello People, There is no violation of process here, lets be realistic, its important to interact with the community as much as possible in Dublin and if the Co-Chairs have been able to get some more time slots through their interactions with the rightful owners of the spaces (SO/AC leaders), I think it should be a good news for us. Noting in the normal agenda of the CCWG has changed, in that the long f2f meeting still holds on Friday and the other slots does not extend beyond the normal ICANN meeting days so i don't see how that affects anyone getting on plane. I don't think its within the CCWG's charter to secure normal SO/AC time-slots without consulting with them first. Now that the consultation has happened its left to this group to decide whether they don't want it or not. Regards On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
Colleagues
I strongly object to this behind-the-scenes way of working.
Can you please list (a) the "AC/SO leaders" and the powers they have in the Charter to do this.
This appears to be to be DELIBERATELY exclusionary. Many of us participatns have already got committments for most of this five day long meeting.
It is ENTIRELY UNACCEPTABLE to make such a decision as people are already getting on aeroplanes.
I wish to invoke the Reconsideration procedure, please.
On 13/10/15 08:30, Mathieu Weill wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
AC/SO leaders held a call with ICANN staff this morning. There was broad agreement to select the moderate plan for changing schedules in Dublin.
It’s known as Option B, shown in attachment and below. We are grateful to the SO/AC leaders and Icann staff for their flexibility.
The CCWG remains in charge of deciding how best it plans to use these slots. Some logistical constraints are however to be expected due to the room arrangements.
The co-chairs suggest the following tentative rough agenda for the set of Dublin meetings, for your consideration and feedbacks during the call in a few hours:
- Friday : finalize public comment assessment based on WP outcomes, list areas of consensus and refinements, identify a candidate way forward on outstanding issues - Saturday : break out sessions facilitated by XPlane to flesh out candidate way forward - Monday : Review and refine outcome of break out sessions, initial assessment of timeline for finalization of report - Tuesday : SO/AC engagement (not a CCWG session as such) - Wednesday : Taking stock of SO/AC engagement, further refinements - Thursday : Taking stock ; finalizing work plan beyond Dublin including timeline.
Best regards, Mathieu
PS: Please accept my apologies for not attending the meeting later today, due to a conflicting commitment
Option B: Moderate Change to ICANN54 Schedule
Adding onto Option A, for increased cross-community discussion the SO-AC-SG-RALO Community Roundtable on Friday, 16 October will be cancelled so that all participants of that meeting are able to attend the CCWG-Accountability Working Session that day for the last 3 hours. In addition, the main Auditorium on Monday, 19 October will be rescheduled to allow for a full afternoon of cross-community accountability discussions. Additionally, time slots will also be made available to provide working sessions for the CCWG-Accountability. To not interfere with any Board-SO/AC interactions on Wednesday, as many as possible will move to an extended Constituency Day schedule on Tuesday, 20 October.
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For some of us, flying is not the important part of an ICANN Meeting. el On 2015-10-13 11:55, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello People,
There is no violation of process here, lets be realistic, its important to interact with the community as much as possible in Dublin and if the Co-Chairs have been able to get some more time slots through their interactions with the rightful owners of the spaces (SO/AC leaders), I think it should be a good news for us. Noting in the normal agenda of the CCWG has changed, in that the long f2f meeting still holds on Friday and the other slots does not extend beyond the normal ICANN meeting days so i don't see how that affects anyone getting on plane.
I don't think its within the CCWG's charter to secure normal SO/AC time-slots without consulting with them first. Now that the consultation has happened its left to this group to decide whether they don't want it or not.
Regards
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:
Colleagues
I strongly object to this behind-the-scenes way of working.
Can you please list (a) the "AC/SO leaders" and the powers they have in the Charter to do this.
This appears to be to be DELIBERATELY exclusionary. Many of us participatns have already got committments for most of this five day long meeting.
It is ENTIRELY UNACCEPTABLE to make such a decision as people are already getting on aeroplanes.
I wish to invoke the Reconsideration procedure, please.
[...] -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar) el@lisse.NA / * | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell) PO Box 8421 \ / Bachbrecht, Namibia ;____/
I guess you responded to the wrong person, since what you wrote has noting to do with what i said. Considering your profession I expect you will carefully read the thread next time. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
For some of us, flying is not the important part of an ICANN Meeting.
el
On 2015-10-13 11:55, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello People,
There is no violation of process here, lets be realistic, its important to interact with the community as much as possible in Dublin and if the Co-Chairs have been able to get some more time slots through their interactions with the rightful owners of the spaces (SO/AC leaders), I think it should be a good news for us. Noting in the normal agenda of the CCWG has changed, in that the long f2f meeting still holds on Friday and the other slots does not extend beyond the normal ICANN meeting days so i don't see how that affects anyone getting on plane.
I don't think its within the CCWG's charter to secure normal SO/AC time-slots without consulting with them first. Now that the consultation has happened its left to this group to decide whether they don't want it or not.
Regards
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:
Colleagues
I strongly object to this behind-the-scenes way of working.
Can you please list (a) the "AC/SO leaders" and the powers they have in the Charter to do this.
This appears to be to be DELIBERATELY exclusionary. Many of us participatns have already got committments for most of this five day long meeting.
It is ENTIRELY UNACCEPTABLE to make such a decision as people are already getting on aeroplanes.
I wish to invoke the Reconsideration procedure, please.
[...] -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar) el@lisse.NA / * | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell) PO Box 8421 \ / Bachbrecht, Namibia ;____/ _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
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Seun Are you being serious? I have ccNSO Council pre-meetings on Sunday, TechDay Monday, and the whole two days of ccNSO on Tuesday and Wednesday, culminating in the Council meeting. I am told that some anonumous "leaders" have -- at the very last minute - made such major changes as to make my further participation almost impossible (since I would be so behind the curve after missing four days worth of "work".). The "getting on a plane" comment is simple -- people are now starting to be in transit for ICANN. Travel arrangements have already been made and may be unchangeable for some. This is downright disrespectful. On 13/10/15 11:02, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
For some of us, flying is not the important part of an ICANN Meeting.
el
On 2015-10-13 11:55, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello People,
There is no violation of process here, lets be realistic, its important to interact with the community as much as possible in Dublin and if the Co-Chairs have been able to get some more time slots through their interactions with the rightful owners of the spaces (SO/AC leaders), I think it should be a good news for us. Noting in the normal agenda of the CCWG has changed, in that the long f2f meeting still holds on Friday and the other slots does not extend beyond the normal ICANN meeting days so i don't see how that affects anyone getting on plane.
I don't think its within the CCWG's charter to secure normal SO/AC time-slots without consulting with them first. Now that the consultation has happened its left to this group to decide whether they don't want it or not.
Regards
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:
Colleagues
I strongly object to this behind-the-scenes way of working.
Can you please list (a) the "AC/SO leaders" and the powers they have in the Charter to do this.
This appears to be to be DELIBERATELY exclusionary. Many of us participatns have already got committments for most of this five day long meeting.
It is ENTIRELY UNACCEPTABLE to make such a decision as people are already getting on aeroplanes.
I wish to invoke the Reconsideration procedure, please.
[...]
Hi Nigel, Wasn't your ccNSO leader present at the meeting?(besides the screen shoot recognized those conflict and indicated some alternatives), its not right to say "anonymous leaders" because the NCUC leadership for instance have updated their community on the events so if you have not been briefed at the ccNSO level then you should rather ping your leadership and not cry foul of the entire process. As I already said...now that the consultation has happened its left to this group to decide whether they don't want it or not. If its not workable because most people will be leaving before Friday the 23rd then that may make a valid reason to reconsider (especially if those that will be absent have key roles to play). I will not comment on your last statement because I think I have addressed you respectfully as I still believe you deserve it (not everyone within this CCWG earns that by the way, I know ....doesn't). Regards On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
Seun
Are you being serious?
I have ccNSO Council pre-meetings on Sunday, TechDay Monday, and the whole two days of ccNSO on Tuesday and Wednesday, culminating in the Council meeting.
I am told that some anonumous "leaders" have -- at the very last minute - made such major changes as to make my further participation almost impossible (since I would be so behind the curve after missing four days worth of "work".).
The "getting on a plane" comment is simple -- people are now starting to be in transit for ICANN. Travel arrangements have already been made and may be unchangeable for some.
This is downright disrespectful.
On 13/10/15 11:02, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
For some of us, flying is not the important part of an ICANN Meeting.
el
On 2015-10-13 11:55, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello People,
There is no violation of process here, lets be realistic, its important to interact with the community as much as possible in Dublin and if the Co-Chairs have been able to get some more time slots through their interactions with the rightful owners of the spaces (SO/AC leaders), I think it should be a good news for us. Noting in the normal agenda of the CCWG has changed, in that the long f2f meeting still holds on Friday and the other slots does not extend beyond the normal ICANN meeting days so i don't see how that affects anyone getting on plane.
I don't think its within the CCWG's charter to secure normal SO/AC time-slots without consulting with them first. Now that the consultation has happened its left to this group to decide whether they don't want it or not.
Regards
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:
Colleagues
I strongly object to this behind-the-scenes way of working.
Can you please list (a) the "AC/SO leaders" and the powers they have in the Charter to do this.
This appears to be to be DELIBERATELY exclusionary. Many of us participatns have already got committments for most of this five day long meeting.
It is ENTIRELY UNACCEPTABLE to make such a decision as people are already getting on aeroplanes.
I wish to invoke the Reconsideration procedure, please.
[...]
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Dear Mathieu, I have to say I share some of Eberhard’s concerns in this matter. The change come, overthrowing commitments made on other matters (yes, they seem to exist) I am puzzled by the role of “AC/SO leaders” in this decision, could you clarify? Cheers, Roelof From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>> Reply-To: Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>> Date: dinsdag 13 oktober 2015 09:30 To: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Dublin schedule changes and work plan Dear Colleagues, AC/SO leaders held a call with ICANN staff this morning. There was broad agreement to select the moderate plan for changing schedules in Dublin. It’s known as Option B, shown in attachment and below. We are grateful to the SO/AC leaders and Icann staff for their flexibility. The CCWG remains in charge of deciding how best it plans to use these slots. Some logistical constraints are however to be expected due to the room arrangements. The co-chairs suggest the following tentative rough agenda for the set of Dublin meetings, for your consideration and feedbacks during the call in a few hours: - Friday : finalize public comment assessment based on WP outcomes, list areas of consensus and refinements, identify a candidate way forward on outstanding issues - Saturday : break out sessions facilitated by XPlane to flesh out candidate way forward - Monday : Review and refine outcome of break out sessions, initial assessment of timeline for finalization of report - Tuesday : SO/AC engagement (not a CCWG session as such) - Wednesday : Taking stock of SO/AC engagement, further refinements - Thursday : Taking stock ; finalizing work plan beyond Dublin including timeline. Best regards, Mathieu PS: Please accept my apologies for not attending the meeting later today, due to a conflicting commitment Option B: Moderate Change to ICANN54 Schedule Adding onto Option A, for increased cross-community discussion the SO-AC-SG-RALO Community Roundtable on Friday, 16 October will be cancelled so that all participants of that meeting are able to attend the CCWG-Accountability Working Session that day for the last 3 hours. In addition, the main Auditorium on Monday, 19 October will be rescheduled to allow for a full afternoon of cross-community accountability discussions. Additionally, time slots will also be made available to provide working sessions for the CCWG-Accountability. To not interfere with any Board-SO/AC interactions on Wednesday, as many as possible will move to an extended Constituency Day schedule on Tuesday, 20 October. -- ***************************** Mathieu WEILL AFNIC - directeur général Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06 mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr> Twitter : @mathieuweill *****************************
I’m not Mathieu but I know that the ACSO leadership were involved as changing the ICNN54 schedule to have a greater focus on CCWG activities required a change in the scheduled events for each of the Acs and Sos, so there will be items removed from the current schedule in order to free up spaces for the CCWG to be attended by members and participants from the various parts of the community. -jg From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Roelof Meijer Date: Tuesday 13 October 2015 at 11:43 a.m. To: "Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr<mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr>", "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Dublin schedule changes and work plan Dear Mathieu, I have to say I share some of Eberhard’s concerns in this matter. The change come, overthrowing commitments made on other matters (yes, they seem to exist) I am puzzled by the role of “AC/SO leaders” in this decision, could you clarify? Cheers, Roelof From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>> Reply-To: Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>> Date: dinsdag 13 oktober 2015 09:30 To: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Dublin schedule changes and work plan Dear Colleagues, AC/SO leaders held a call with ICANN staff this morning. There was broad agreement to select the moderate plan for changing schedules in Dublin. It’s known as Option B, shown in attachment and below. We are grateful to the SO/AC leaders and Icann staff for their flexibility. The CCWG remains in charge of deciding how best it plans to use these slots. Some logistical constraints are however to be expected due to the room arrangements. The co-chairs suggest the following tentative rough agenda for the set of Dublin meetings, for your consideration and feedbacks during the call in a few hours: - Friday : finalize public comment assessment based on WP outcomes, list areas of consensus and refinements, identify a candidate way forward on outstanding issues - Saturday : break out sessions facilitated by XPlane to flesh out candidate way forward - Monday : Review and refine outcome of break out sessions, initial assessment of timeline for finalization of report - Tuesday : SO/AC engagement (not a CCWG session as such) - Wednesday : Taking stock of SO/AC engagement, further refinements - Thursday : Taking stock ; finalizing work plan beyond Dublin including timeline. Best regards, Mathieu PS: Please accept my apologies for not attending the meeting later today, due to a conflicting commitment Option B: Moderate Change to ICANN54 Schedule Adding onto Option A, for increased cross-community discussion the SO-AC-SG-RALO Community Roundtable on Friday, 16 October will be cancelled so that all participants of that meeting are able to attend the CCWG-Accountability Working Session that day for the last 3 hours. In addition, the main Auditorium on Monday, 19 October will be rescheduled to allow for a full afternoon of cross-community accountability discussions. Additionally, time slots will also be made available to provide working sessions for the CCWG-Accountability. To not interfere with any Board-SO/AC interactions on Wednesday, as many as possible will move to an extended Constituency Day schedule on Tuesday, 20 October. -- ***************************** Mathieu WEILL AFNIC - directeur général Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06 mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr> Twitter : @mathieuweill *****************************
Well, I am an Observer to the ccNSO's Program Comittee. As such, I have indeed observed that Transition related activities take up a significant amount of the time of the two days of the ccNSO meeting. So James' statement, below, when read in itself, without context, is not false. But, it has nothing to do with springing today's surprise which would, in fact, make it worse, because these related events clashing. greetings, el On 2015-10-13 12:45, James Gannon wrote:
I’m not Mathieu but I know that the ACSO leadership were involved as changing the ICNN54 schedule to have a greater focus on CCWG activities required a change in the scheduled events for each of the Acs and Sos, so there will be items removed from the current schedule in order to free up spaces for the CCWG to be attended by members and participants from the various parts of the community.
-jg [...]
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The speculation in this thread about how this decision was arrived at is incorrect. ICANN developed a plan with 3 options (A = no disruption, B = moderate disruption, C = significant disruption) for changing the ICANN54 schedule to add more time for Accountability-related meetings. This was not requested (as far as I know) by the CCWG Co-Chairs and certainly not by the AC/SO leaders. As far as I know, the impetus for this came from within ICANN. (The AC/SO leaders are the Chairs of each AC, SO, Stakeholder Group, Constituency and RALO.) The Chairs were given several days in which to confer with the stakeholders they represent in order to assess which option(s) they might find acceptable. After that, the call Mathieu mentioned took place. In addition to AC/SO/SG/C/RALO Chairs, the call included the co-chairs of the CCWG, CWG and ICG and members of ICANN staff. Greg On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Well,
I am an Observer to the ccNSO's Program Comittee. As such, I have indeed observed that Transition related activities take up a significant amount of the time of the two days of the ccNSO meeting.
So James' statement, below, when read in itself, without context, is not false.
But, it has nothing to do with springing today's surprise which would, in fact, make it worse, because these related events clashing.
greetings, el
On 2015-10-13 12:45, James Gannon wrote:
I’m not Mathieu but I know that the ACSO leadership were involved as changing the ICNN54 schedule to have a greater focus on CCWG activities required a change in the scheduled events for each of the Acs and Sos, so there will be items removed from the current schedule in order to free up spaces for the CCWG to be attended by members and participants from the various parts of the community.
-jg [...]
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I am not speculating about HOW it happened. The issue is what happened and perhaps why. And at least for the latter the how becomes "interesting". At the moment it looks like we were told, today, that we'll be having us a 5-Day CCWG meeting clashing with mainly everything, in particular Transition related activities of at least the ccNSO, ie it's Plan-D :-)-O Hence, and because I can't post the ccNSO Council, I'll cc the lists. greetings, el On 2015-10-13 16:01, Greg Shatan wrote:
The speculation in this thread about how this decision was arrived at is incorrect.
ICANN developed a plan with 3 options (A = no disruption, B = moderate disruption, C = significant disruption) for changing the ICANN54 schedule to add more time for Accountability-related meetings. This was not requested (as far as I know) by the CCWG Co-Chairs and certainly not by the AC/SO leaders. As far as I know, the impetus for this came from within ICANN. (The AC/SO leaders are the Chairs of each AC, SO, Stakeholder Group, Constituency and RALO.) The Chairs were given several days in which to confer with the stakeholders they represent in order to assess which option(s) they might find acceptable.
After that, the call Mathieu mentioned took place. In addition to AC/SO/SG/C/RALO Chairs, the call included the co-chairs of the CCWG, CWG and ICG and members of ICANN staff.
Greg
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na <mailto:el@lisse.na>> wrote:
Well,
I am an Observer to the ccNSO's Program Comittee. As such, I have indeed observed that Transition related activities take up a significant amount of the time of the two days of the ccNSO meeting.
So James' statement, below, when read in itself, without context, is not false.
But, it has nothing to do with springing today's surprise which would, in fact, make it worse, because these related events clashing.
greetings, el
On 2015-10-13 12:45, James Gannon wrote: > I’m not Mathieu but I know that the ACSO leadership were > involved as changing the ICNN54 schedule to have a greater > focus on CCWG activities required a change in the scheduled > events for each of the Acs and Sos, so there will be items > removed from the current schedule in order to free up spaces > for the CCWG to be attended by members and participants from > the various parts of the community. > > -jg [...] -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar) el@lisse.NA / * | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell) PO Box 8421 \ / Bachbrecht, Namibia ;____/
Thanks, James, that helped Best, Roelof From: James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net<mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net>> Date: dinsdag 13 oktober 2015 12:45 To: Roelof Meijer <roelof.meijer@sidn.nl<mailto:roelof.meijer@sidn.nl>>, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Dublin schedule changes and work plan I’m not Mathieu but I know that the ACSO leadership were involved as changing the ICNN54 schedule to have a greater focus on CCWG activities required a change in the scheduled events for each of the Acs and Sos, so there will be items removed from the current schedule in order to free up spaces for the CCWG to be attended by members and participants from the various parts of the community. -jg From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Roelof Meijer Date: Tuesday 13 October 2015 at 11:43 a.m. To: "Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr<mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr>", "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Dublin schedule changes and work plan Dear Mathieu, I have to say I share some of Eberhard’s concerns in this matter. The change come, overthrowing commitments made on other matters (yes, they seem to exist) I am puzzled by the role of “AC/SO leaders” in this decision, could you clarify? Cheers, Roelof From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>> Reply-To: Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>> Date: dinsdag 13 oktober 2015 09:30 To: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Dublin schedule changes and work plan Dear Colleagues, AC/SO leaders held a call with ICANN staff this morning. There was broad agreement to select the moderate plan for changing schedules in Dublin. It’s known as Option B, shown in attachment and below. We are grateful to the SO/AC leaders and Icann staff for their flexibility. The CCWG remains in charge of deciding how best it plans to use these slots. Some logistical constraints are however to be expected due to the room arrangements. The co-chairs suggest the following tentative rough agenda for the set of Dublin meetings, for your consideration and feedbacks during the call in a few hours: - Friday : finalize public comment assessment based on WP outcomes, list areas of consensus and refinements, identify a candidate way forward on outstanding issues - Saturday : break out sessions facilitated by XPlane to flesh out candidate way forward - Monday : Review and refine outcome of break out sessions, initial assessment of timeline for finalization of report - Tuesday : SO/AC engagement (not a CCWG session as such) - Wednesday : Taking stock of SO/AC engagement, further refinements - Thursday : Taking stock ; finalizing work plan beyond Dublin including timeline. Best regards, Mathieu PS: Please accept my apologies for not attending the meeting later today, due to a conflicting commitment Option B: Moderate Change to ICANN54 Schedule Adding onto Option A, for increased cross-community discussion the SO-AC-SG-RALO Community Roundtable on Friday, 16 October will be cancelled so that all participants of that meeting are able to attend the CCWG-Accountability Working Session that day for the last 3 hours. In addition, the main Auditorium on Monday, 19 October will be rescheduled to allow for a full afternoon of cross-community accountability discussions. Additionally, time slots will also be made available to provide working sessions for the CCWG-Accountability. To not interfere with any Board-SO/AC interactions on Wednesday, as many as possible will move to an extended Constituency Day schedule on Tuesday, 20 October. -- ***************************** Mathieu WEILL AFNIC - directeur général Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06 mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr> Twitter : @mathieuweill *****************************
"- Friday : finalize public comment assessment based on WP outcomes, list areas of consensus and refinements, identify a candidate way forward on outstanding issues - Saturday : break out sessions facilitated by XPlane to flesh out candidate way forward - Monday : Review and refine outcome of break out sessions, initial assessment of timeline for finalization of report - Tuesday : SO/AC engagement (not a CCWG session as such) - Wednesday : Taking stock of SO/AC engagement, further refinements - Thursday : Taking stock ; finalizing work plan beyond Dublin including timeline. " As I understand these proposals, the ICANN conference will identify a way forward, (three times), review and refine(twice), initially assess, connect, take stock (twice), and make a calender for those future ICANN processes which were identified, reviewed, refined, assessed, connected, and finalized. Will any new transition proposals be completed and submitted to the board at the conference? Ron
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Dr Eberhard W Lisse -
Greg Shatan -
James Gannon -
Mathieu Weill -
Nigel Roberts -
Roelof Meijer -
Ron Baione -
Seun Ojedeji