Paul What do you mean 'close to the border'. I know I'm only a Participant, and not a Member, but I don't care if its deliberate or not. What matters is the EFFECT not the motivation. So I say it *IS* exclusionary. Since, to borrow a phrase, "I have to work for a living". (In other words I have an already-scheduled meeting) These deadlines are artificial, and DESIGNED to be exclusionary, so why are you surprised? On 19/11/15 14:39, Paul Rosenzweig wrote:

Really? You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving day? I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the bounds of my tolerance. I have no standing to object, but this is pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary.

Paul

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Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars.

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15

Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC

21-23 Nov-15

CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors

23-Nov-15

CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC

24-Nov-15

Weekly call #69

24-25-Nov 15

Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen

25-Nov-15

Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC

26-Nov-15

Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70)

30-Nov-15

Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations

30-Nov-15

Begin professional proofreading/final editing

12 -Dec-15

Translations ready

20-Dec-15

Delivery of final proofreading/editing

21-Dec-15

End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations

24-Dec-15

Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation

Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

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Andrew, The external deadline is artificial. There is no reason why the current contract could not be extended by a month to accommodate the longer comment period. For that matter it could be extended by a year and ended by mutual agreement whenever the proposal is approved and implemented. Brett ________________________________ Brett Schaefer Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy The Heritage Foundation 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Washington, DC 20002 202-608-6097 heritage.org<http://heritage.org/> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:38 AM To: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 02:47:36PM +0000, Nigel Roberts wrote:

These deadlines are artificial, and DESIGNED to be exclusionary, so why are you surprised?

With respect, I don't think it is fair to call the deadlines either artificial or designed to be exclusionary. In Dublin we got a very clear count backwards from what the WG has been told is an external deadline. I appreciate as much as anyone the way that the extremely awkward dates are bad for people (they're bad for me too). But the CCWG has made so much progress, and the IANA operational communities are all waiting on the output from this WG. This WG can flip over the table of the transition, of course; but I humbly urge everyone to consider the damage to ICANN and to this community if the transition fails on account of the missing accountability piece. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com<mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community<https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community>

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I think this is a matter of disagreement, and not a fact. If one accepts that, in good faith, the chairs have accepted that external deadline as real, then the internal dates are neither artificial nor designed to be exclusionary.

The external deadline _is_ artificial. Please provide any evidence to the contrary. I was on the ICG and we ruminated over these timelines for weeks. I know what the constraints are. A week to ten days over the New Year's period does not break anything. The loss of legitimacy and quality on the other hand are very likely to prove costly.

If one believes that the external deadline is artificial, then I can see an argument that the internal ones are also thereby artificial. I think the claim that the external deadline is artificial, however, is need of rather better arguments (which boil down to, "I disagree") than I have so far seen. As

I have seen multiple reasonable arguments for adding 10 days to the current timeline to allow careful review by the lawyers and a real public comment period. I haven't seen ANY plausible argument about how this clashes with the US political constraints. The current estimates of how much time it takes the NTIA to approve it, subject to the oversight of congress, are very imprecise simply because the NTIA is not fully in control and needs to be conservative.

I still think it is quite unfair to say the dates are designed to be exclusionary.

I do not believe they are "designed" to be exclusionary. I think they are just artificial and a product of panic.

These concerns are well stated, Paul. Personally, I have repeatedly voiced concern that haste will make waste -- that in a last-minute rush we will miss critical gaps or errors that will chew up more time down the line, or that cause the transition to fail. I cannot seriously believe that a 21-day comment period assures transition success but that a 9 or 19 day extension dooms it. I would be much less concerned if the third proposal was simply a refined version of the second, but is in fact a significant deviation, going from a member model that would have provided all the statutory powers of a California public benefit corporation to a designator model in which we seem to be relying on the threat of using a "nuclear option" of Board removal (individual members or the entire Board) via an escalation process that requires a very high level of community consuensus. There are also critical outstanding issues that remain unresolved at this late date. As we will have to live with the final adopted proposal for years or decades to come it is very important that we have a full understanding of whether it provides adequate accountability via feasible tools and processes. Institutionally, I have shared the revised timeline with the BC and asked for feedback regarding whether BC members believe it is adequate. To the extent that BC members have previously weighed in they have indicated a preference for a timeline of at least 30 days. Finally, I have received the invitation to the call on Thanksgiving day in the US and have indicated my strong opposition to scheduling a call on that day. Best regards to all. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey ________________________________________ From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Paul Rosenzweig [paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:55 AM To: 'Nigel Roberts'; accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) Nigel I use "close to the border" to accommodate the possibility that our co-chairs, who are non-American, simply did not realize how utterly unrealistic that proposal is for a holiday meeting. I, for one, will not attend nor even consider attending and I'm on the borderline of urging my fellow Americans to boycott. As for the broader point about the rapid pace of what we are doing, I actually have a bit of sympathy for the co-chairs. They are under immense pressure to keep this moving from ICANN and NTIA and they (and others in the community) are possessed of the mistaken belief that there is something magical about our current time line, as if failing to meet it will turn us all into pumpkins. As to =that= aspect of it, I agree with you that it is quite deliberate; quite exclusionary; and quite unfortunate. To be candid, I would not object to the pace if I did not perceive that it was actually creating error -- error in process and error in substance. On the process side we have: -- Cutting comment period from traditional 40 days to 21 (for a report that will SIGNIFICANTLY diverge from the two earlier drafts in many ways, thereby increasing, rather than decreasing the need for thoughtful review by the community); -- Reducing comment period for non-English speakers to 9 days; -- Effectively eliminating ability of dissenters to formally voice objections by scheduling. On the substantive side we have: -- Put off development of the IRP ("the crown jewel" of our proposal) to a post-transition implementation team; -- Moved to finalize a draft report by TOMORROW 2359 UTC when there is still utter lack of consensus on two critical issues, viz: -- Role of GAC/ST-18 -- Mission statement of ICANN (the "other critical pillar") of our proposal. Perhaps these concerns can be fixed in the drafting, but I doubt it. We are now perilously close to acting in a way that calls the fundamental legitimacy of our work product into question. The phrase in carpentry is "measure twice; cut once" I apologize to the list for the somewhat angry tone of this note -- but the Thanksgiving call proposal is for me just the straw that breaks the camel's back. Paul Paul Rosenzweig paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 Link to my PGP Key -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Roberts [mailto:nigel@channelisles.net] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:48 AM To: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) Paul What do you mean 'close to the border'. I know I'm only a Participant, and not a Member, but I don't care if its deliberate or not. What matters is the EFFECT not the motivation. So I say it *IS* exclusionary. Since, to borrow a phrase, "I have to work for a living". (In other words I have an already-scheduled meeting) These deadlines are artificial, and DESIGNED to be exclusionary, so why are you surprised? On 19/11/15 14:39, Paul Rosenzweig wrote:

Really? You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving day? I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the bounds of my tolerance. I have no standing to object, but this is pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary.

Paul

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*From:*León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:21 AM *To:* Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> *Cc:* cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org> *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version.

=================

Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars.

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15

Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC

21-23 Nov-15

CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors

23-Nov-15

CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC

24-Nov-15

Weekly call #69

24-25-Nov 15

Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen

25-Nov-15

Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC

26-Nov-15

Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70)

30-Nov-15

Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations

30-Nov-15

Begin professional proofreading/final editing

12 -Dec-15

Translations ready

20-Dec-15

Delivery of final proofreading/editing

21-Dec-15

End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations

24-Dec-15

Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation

Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

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Avri, It is selfish that you said you do not worry about other Nations, holiday. Why other Nations should be worried about your holiday. This is offensive and humiliation Pls correct your statement before I escalate it to the highest level in the world including media Kavouss. . . . Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Nov 2015, at 19:23, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:

Hi,

I would point out that we have not worried about other nations' holidays quite as much as we seem to be worrying about this one.

Perhaps if we schedule it for the nether hours (0100 - 0600) in the continental US, it won't interfere with anyone's holiday schedule.

avri

...

On 19-Nov-15 10:55, Paul Rosenzweig wrote: Nigel

I use "close to the border" to accommodate the possibility that our co-chairs, who are non-American, simply did not realize how utterly unrealistic that proposal is for a holiday meeting. I, for one, will not attend nor even consider attending and I'm on the borderline of urging my fellow Americans to boycott.

As for the broader point about the rapid pace of what we are doing, I actually have a bit of sympathy for the co-chairs. They are under immense pressure to keep this moving from ICANN and NTIA and they (and others in the community) are possessed of the mistaken belief that there is something magical about our current time line, as if failing to meet it will turn us all into pumpkins. As to =that= aspect of it, I agree with you that it is quite deliberate; quite exclusionary; and quite unfortunate.

To be candid, I would not object to the pace if I did not perceive that it was actually creating error -- error in process and error in substance. On the process side we have:

-- Cutting comment period from traditional 40 days to 21 (for a report that will SIGNIFICANTLY diverge from the two earlier drafts in many ways, thereby increasing, rather than decreasing the need for thoughtful review by the community); -- Reducing comment period for non-English speakers to 9 days; -- Effectively eliminating ability of dissenters to formally voice objections by scheduling.

On the substantive side we have: -- Put off development of the IRP ("the crown jewel" of our proposal) to a post-transition implementation team; -- Moved to finalize a draft report by TOMORROW 2359 UTC when there is still utter lack of consensus on two critical issues, viz: -- Role of GAC/ST-18 -- Mission statement of ICANN (the "other critical pillar") of our proposal.

Perhaps these concerns can be fixed in the drafting, but I doubt it. We are now perilously close to acting in a way that calls the fundamental legitimacy of our work product into question. The phrase in carpentry is "measure twice; cut once"

I apologize to the list for the somewhat angry tone of this note -- but the Thanksgiving call proposal is for me just the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Paul

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-----Original Message----- From: Nigel Roberts [mailto:nigel@channelisles.net] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:48 AM To: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

Paul

What do you mean 'close to the border'.

I know I'm only a Participant, and not a Member, but I don't care if its deliberate or not.

What matters is the EFFECT not the motivation.

So I say it *IS* exclusionary.

Since, to borrow a phrase, "I have to work for a living". (In other words I have an already-scheduled meeting)

These deadlines are artificial, and DESIGNED to be exclusionary, so why are you surprised?

...

On 19/11/15 14:39, Paul Rosenzweig wrote: Really? You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving day? I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the bounds of my tolerance. I have no standing to object, but this is pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary.

Paul

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Link to my PGP Key <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl e&id=19&Itemid=9> *From:*León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:21 AM *To:* Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> *Cc:* cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org> *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version.

=================

Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars.

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15

Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC

21-23 Nov-15

CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors

23-Nov-15

CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC

24-Nov-15

Weekly call #69

24-25-Nov 15

Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen

25-Nov-15

Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC

26-Nov-15

Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70)

30-Nov-15

Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations

30-Nov-15

Begin professional proofreading/final editing

12 -Dec-15

Translations ready

20-Dec-15

Delivery of final proofreading/editing

21-Dec-15

End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations

24-Dec-15

Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation

Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

Mathieu, Thomas, León

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Hi, Seem Kavouss misunderstood what Avri said, I understood her mail to mean "don't set a precedence you cannot keep-up by giving special consideration on matters like this." Those who have done something close to this is the ICG when they decided to make an early announcement in order to alert those who are going on vacation in certain region. As Beran rightly noted, more global holidays has happened without anyone even raising participation as an issue. Another minor related point was the condolence on France terrorist attack that showed up on this list even though many other countries deserved multiple condolence messages. Thanks to Co-Chairs for addressing that early enough. We should stay clear off anything communicates superiority over one another. Regards Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 20 Nov 2015 07:55, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:

Avri, It is selfish that you said you do not worry about other Nations, holiday. Why other Nations should be worried about your holiday. This is offensive and humiliation Pls correct your statement before I escalate it to the highest level in the world including media Kavouss.

. . .

Sent from my iPhone

...

On 19 Nov 2015, at 19:23, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:

Hi,

I would point out that we have not worried about other nations' holidays quite as much as we seem to be worrying about this one.

Perhaps if we schedule it for the nether hours (0100 - 0600) in the continental US, it won't interfere with anyone's holiday schedule.

avri

...

On 19-Nov-15 10:55, Paul Rosenzweig wrote: Nigel

I use "close to the border" to accommodate the possibility that our co-chairs, who are non-American, simply did not realize how utterly unrealistic that proposal is for a holiday meeting. I, for one, will not attend nor even consider attending and I'm on the borderline of urging my fellow Americans to boycott.

As for the broader point about the rapid pace of what we are doing, I actually have a bit of sympathy for the co-chairs. They are under immense pressure to keep this moving from ICANN and NTIA and they (and others in the community) are possessed of the mistaken belief that there is something magical about our current time line, as if failing to meet it will turn us all into pumpkins. As to =that= aspect of it, I agree with you that it is quite deliberate; quite exclusionary; and quite unfortunate.

To be candid, I would not object to the pace if I did not perceive that it was actually creating error -- error in process and error in substance. On the process side we have:

-- Cutting comment period from traditional 40 days to 21 (for a report that will SIGNIFICANTLY diverge from the two earlier drafts in many ways, thereby increasing, rather than decreasing the need for thoughtful review by the community); -- Reducing comment period for non-English speakers to 9 days; -- Effectively eliminating ability of dissenters to formally voice objections by scheduling.

On the substantive side we have: -- Put off development of the IRP ("the crown jewel" of our proposal) to a post-transition implementation team; -- Moved to finalize a draft report by TOMORROW 2359 UTC when there is still utter lack of consensus on two critical issues, viz: -- Role of GAC/ST-18 -- Mission statement of ICANN (the "other critical pillar") of our proposal.

Perhaps these concerns can be fixed in the drafting, but I doubt it. We are now perilously close to acting in a way that calls the fundamental legitimacy of our work product into question. The phrase in carpentry is "measure twice; cut once"

I apologize to the list for the somewhat angry tone of this note -- but the Thanksgiving call proposal is for me just the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Paul

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-----Original Message----- From: Nigel Roberts [mailto:nigel@channelisles.net] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:48 AM To: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

Paul

What do you mean 'close to the border'.

I know I'm only a Participant, and not a Member, but I don't care if its deliberate or not.

What matters is the EFFECT not the motivation.

So I say it *IS* exclusionary.

Since, to borrow a phrase, "I have to work for a living". (In other words I have an already-scheduled meeting)

These deadlines are artificial, and DESIGNED to be exclusionary, so why are you surprised?

...

On 19/11/15 14:39, Paul Rosenzweig wrote: Really? You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving day? I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the bounds of my tolerance. I have no standing to object, but this is pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary.

Paul

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Link to my PGP Key < http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl e&id=19&Itemid=9> *From:*León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:21 AM *To:* Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> *Cc:* cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org> *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version.

=================

Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars.

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15

Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC

21-23 Nov-15

CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors

23-Nov-15

CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC

24-Nov-15

Weekly call #69

24-25-Nov 15

Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen

25-Nov-15

Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC

26-Nov-15

Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70)

30-Nov-15

Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations

30-Nov-15

Begin professional proofreading/final editing

12 -Dec-15

Translations ready

20-Dec-15

Delivery of final proofreading/editing

21-Dec-15

End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations

24-Dec-15

Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation

Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

Mathieu, Thomas, León

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Kavouss, Avri was meaning exactly the opposite. Please let us all keep calm and continue working. Best Rafael -----Mensaje original----- De: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] En nombre de Kavouss Arasteh Enviado el: viernes, 20 de noviembre de 2015 7:55 Para: avri@acm.org; Mathieu Weill; Thomas Rickert; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía CC: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Asunto: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) Avri, It is selfish that you said you do not worry about other Nations, holiday. Why other Nations should be worried about your holiday. This is offensive and humiliation Pls correct your statement before I escalate it to the highest level in the world including media Kavouss. . . . Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Nov 2015, at 19:23, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:

Hi,

I would point out that we have not worried about other nations' holidays quite as much as we seem to be worrying about this one.

Perhaps if we schedule it for the nether hours (0100 - 0600) in the continental US, it won't interfere with anyone's holiday schedule.

avri

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On 19-Nov-15 10:55, Paul Rosenzweig wrote: Nigel

I use "close to the border" to accommodate the possibility that our co-chairs, who are non-American, simply did not realize how utterly unrealistic that proposal is for a holiday meeting. I, for one, will not attend nor even consider attending and I'm on the borderline of urging my fellow Americans to boycott.

As for the broader point about the rapid pace of what we are doing, I actually have a bit of sympathy for the co-chairs. They are under immense pressure to keep this moving from ICANN and NTIA and they (and others in the community) are possessed of the mistaken belief that there is something magical about our current time line, as if failing to meet it will turn us all into pumpkins. As to =that= aspect of it, I agree with you that it is quite deliberate; quite exclusionary; and quite unfortunate.

To be candid, I would not object to the pace if I did not perceive that it was actually creating error -- error in process and error in substance. On the process side we have:

-- Cutting comment period from traditional 40 days to 21 (for a report that will SIGNIFICANTLY diverge from the two earlier drafts in many ways, thereby increasing, rather than decreasing the need for thoughtful review by the community); -- Reducing comment period for non-English speakers to 9 days; -- Effectively eliminating ability of dissenters to formally voice objections by scheduling.

On the substantive side we have: -- Put off development of the IRP ("the crown jewel" of our proposal) to a post-transition implementation team; -- Moved to finalize a draft report by TOMORROW 2359 UTC when there is still utter lack of consensus on two critical issues, viz: -- Role of GAC/ST-18 -- Mission statement of ICANN (the "other critical pillar") of our proposal.

Perhaps these concerns can be fixed in the drafting, but I doubt it. We are now perilously close to acting in a way that calls the fundamental legitimacy of our work product into question. The phrase in carpentry is "measure twice; cut once"

I apologize to the list for the somewhat angry tone of this note -- but the Thanksgiving call proposal is for me just the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Paul

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-----Original Message----- From: Nigel Roberts [mailto:nigel@channelisles.net] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:48 AM To: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

Paul

What do you mean 'close to the border'.

I know I'm only a Participant, and not a Member, but I don't care if its deliberate or not.

What matters is the EFFECT not the motivation.

So I say it *IS* exclusionary.

Since, to borrow a phrase, "I have to work for a living". (In other words I have an already-scheduled meeting)

These deadlines are artificial, and DESIGNED to be exclusionary, so why are you surprised?

...

On 19/11/15 14:39, Paul Rosenzweig wrote: Really? You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving day? I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the bounds of my tolerance. I have no standing to object, but this is pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary.

Paul

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Link to my PGP Key <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view =articl e&id=19&Itemid=9> *From:*León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:21 AM *To:* Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> *Cc:* cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org> *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version.

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Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars.

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15

Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC

21-23 Nov-15

CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors

23-Nov-15

CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC

24-Nov-15

Weekly call #69

24-25-Nov 15

Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen

25-Nov-15

Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC

26-Nov-15

Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70)

30-Nov-15

Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations

30-Nov-15

Begin professional proofreading/final editing

12 -Dec-15

Translations ready

20-Dec-15

Delivery of final proofreading/editing

21-Dec-15

End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations

24-Dec-15

Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation

Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

Mathieu, Thomas, León

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Be that as it may (and it is!) the larger issue is not about holidays, be they USA or world-wide. It is about the ridiculous timeline and repeated unacceptably short notices diminishing the legitimacy of the entire process. Nigel On 20/11/15 10:47, Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu wrote:

Kavouss Avri's comment was the opposite of what you imply - she suggested that USA participants should NOT be so concerned about their national holiday given that many other participants have had to give up on national or religious holidays.

Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typing errors

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On 20 Nov 2015, at 07:5

Hi, I think I was not clear. what i meant was: we have not worried about other nation's holidays, therefore we should not be worrying about US holidays hopefully the does not not offend or humiliate you. avri On 20-Nov-15 01:54, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:

Avri, It is selfish that you said you do not worry about other Nations, holiday. Why other Nations should be worried about your holiday. This is offensive and humiliation Pls correct your statement before I escalate it to the highest level in the world including media Kavouss.

. . .

Sent from my iPhone

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On 19 Nov 2015, at 19:23, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:

Hi,

I would point out that we have not worried about other nations' holidays quite as much as we seem to be worrying about this one.

Perhaps if we schedule it for the nether hours (0100 - 0600) in the continental US, it won't interfere with anyone's holiday schedule.

avri

...

On 19-Nov-15 10:55, Paul Rosenzweig wrote: Nigel

I use "close to the border" to accommodate the possibility that our co-chairs, who are non-American, simply did not realize how utterly unrealistic that proposal is for a holiday meeting. I, for one, will not attend nor even consider attending and I'm on the borderline of urging my fellow Americans to boycott.

As for the broader point about the rapid pace of what we are doing, I actually have a bit of sympathy for the co-chairs. They are under immense pressure to keep this moving from ICANN and NTIA and they (and others in the community) are possessed of the mistaken belief that there is something magical about our current time line, as if failing to meet it will turn us all into pumpkins. As to =that= aspect of it, I agree with you that it is quite deliberate; quite exclusionary; and quite unfortunate.

To be candid, I would not object to the pace if I did not perceive that it was actually creating error -- error in process and error in substance. On the process side we have:

-- Cutting comment period from traditional 40 days to 21 (for a report that will SIGNIFICANTLY diverge from the two earlier drafts in many ways, thereby increasing, rather than decreasing the need for thoughtful review by the community); -- Reducing comment period for non-English speakers to 9 days; -- Effectively eliminating ability of dissenters to formally voice objections by scheduling.

On the substantive side we have: -- Put off development of the IRP ("the crown jewel" of our proposal) to a post-transition implementation team; -- Moved to finalize a draft report by TOMORROW 2359 UTC when there is still utter lack of consensus on two critical issues, viz: -- Role of GAC/ST-18 -- Mission statement of ICANN (the "other critical pillar") of our proposal.

Perhaps these concerns can be fixed in the drafting, but I doubt it. We are now perilously close to acting in a way that calls the fundamental legitimacy of our work product into question. The phrase in carpentry is "measure twice; cut once"

I apologize to the list for the somewhat angry tone of this note -- but the Thanksgiving call proposal is for me just the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Paul

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-----Original Message----- From: Nigel Roberts [mailto:nigel@channelisles.net] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:48 AM To: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

Paul

What do you mean 'close to the border'.

I know I'm only a Participant, and not a Member, but I don't care if its deliberate or not.

What matters is the EFFECT not the motivation.

So I say it *IS* exclusionary.

Since, to borrow a phrase, "I have to work for a living". (In other words I have an already-scheduled meeting)

These deadlines are artificial, and DESIGNED to be exclusionary, so why are you surprised?

...

On 19/11/15 14:39, Paul Rosenzweig wrote: Really? You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving day? I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the bounds of my tolerance. I have no standing to object, but this is pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary.

Paul

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Link to my PGP Key <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl e&id=19&Itemid=9> *From:*León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:21 AM *To:* Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> *Cc:* cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org> *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version.

=================

Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars.

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15

Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC

21-23 Nov-15

CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors

23-Nov-15

CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC

24-Nov-15

Weekly call #69

24-25-Nov 15

Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen

25-Nov-15

Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC

26-Nov-15

Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70)

30-Nov-15

Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations

30-Nov-15

Begin professional proofreading/final editing

12 -Dec-15

Translations ready

20-Dec-15

Delivery of final proofreading/editing

21-Dec-15

End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations

24-Dec-15

Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation

Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

Mathieu, Thomas, León

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To add to Paul's concern, more Americans travel on the day before and after Thanksgiving (11/26 this year) to gather with friends and family than any other day of the year. Scheduling a call that day, or the day before or after, will make it impossible for many US participants in the CCWG to join the call. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey ________________________________ From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Paul Rosenzweig [paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:39 AM To: 'León Felipe Sánchez Ambía'; 'Accountability Cross Community' Cc: 'cc staff all' Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) Really? You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving day? I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the bounds of my tolerance. I have no standing to object, but this is pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary. Paul Paul Rosenzweig paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com> O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 Link to my PGP Key<http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...> From: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:21 AM To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Cc: cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version. ================= Dear all, As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars. In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion: 20-Nov-15 Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC 21-23 Nov-15 CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors 23-Nov-15 CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC 24-Nov-15 Weekly call #69 24-25-Nov 15 Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen 25-Nov-15 Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC 26-Nov-15 Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70) 30-Nov-15 Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations 30-Nov-15 Begin professional proofreading/final editing 12 -Dec-15 Translations ready 20-Dec-15 Delivery of final proofreading/editing 21-Dec-15 End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations 24-Dec-15 Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday. We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work. Best regards Mathieu, Thomas, León ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2015.0.6140 / Virus Database: 4450/10889 - Release Date: 10/25/15 Internal Virus Database is out of date.

I will add that the schedule would give only 9 days for public comments after translations are made. I thought this process was supposed to give reasonable review opportunities to non-English speakers? ________________________________ Brett Schaefer Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy The Heritage Foundation 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Washington, DC 20002 202-608-6097 heritage.org<http://heritage.org/> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:51 AM To: Paul Rosenzweig; 'León Felipe Sánchez Ambía'; 'Accountability Cross Community' Cc: 'cc staff all' Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) To add to Paul's concern, more Americans travel on the day before and after Thanksgiving (11/26 this year) to gather with friends and family than any other day of the year. Scheduling a call that day, or the day before or after, will make it impossible for many US participants in the CCWG to join the call. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey ________________________________ From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Paul Rosenzweig [paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:39 AM To: 'León Felipe Sánchez Ambía'; 'Accountability Cross Community' Cc: 'cc staff all' Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) Really? You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving day? I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the bounds of my tolerance. I have no standing to object, but this is pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary. Paul Paul Rosenzweig paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com> O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 Link to my PGP Key<http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...> From: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:21 AM To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Cc: cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version. ================= Dear all, As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars. In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion: 20-Nov-15 Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC 21-23 Nov-15 CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors 23-Nov-15 CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC 24-Nov-15 Weekly call #69 24-25-Nov 15 Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen 25-Nov-15 Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC 26-Nov-15 Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70) 30-Nov-15 Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations 30-Nov-15 Begin professional proofreading/final editing 12 -Dec-15 Translations ready 20-Dec-15 Delivery of final proofreading/editing 21-Dec-15 End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations 24-Dec-15 Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday. We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work. Best regards Mathieu, Thomas, León ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2015.0.6140 / Virus Database: 4450/10889 - Release Date: 10/25/15 Internal Virus Database is out of date.

Agree with Brett. This is just unacceptable. We are going to have a real public comment period. Anything short of that makes the whole process vulnerable to challenge and rejection. Perhaps the chairs can tell us why they insist on sticking to these artificial time lines, what they think it accomplishes? As a U.S. citizen reasonably plugged in to the review and oversight process that will take place in NTIA and congress, I see all kinds of sacrifices of legitimacy, efficiency and quality and no serious gain by shortening these time lines From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Schaefer, Brett Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:00 AM To: Phil Corwin; Paul Rosenzweig; 'León Felipe Sánchez Ambía'; 'Accountability Cross Community' Cc: 'cc staff all' Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) I will add that the schedule would give only 9 days for public comments after translations are made. I thought this process was supposed to give reasonable review opportunities to non-English speakers? ________________________________ Brett Schaefer Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy The Heritage Foundation 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Washington, DC 20002 202-608-6097 heritage.org<http://heritage.org/> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:51 AM To: Paul Rosenzweig; 'León Felipe Sánchez Ambía'; 'Accountability Cross Community' Cc: 'cc staff all' Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) To add to Paul's concern, more Americans travel on the day before and after Thanksgiving (11/26 this year) to gather with friends and family than any other day of the year. Scheduling a call that day, or the day before or after, will make it impossible for many US participants in the CCWG to join the call. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey ________________________________ From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Paul Rosenzweig [paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:39 AM To: 'León Felipe Sánchez Ambía'; 'Accountability Cross Community' Cc: 'cc staff all' Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) Really? You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving day? I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the bounds of my tolerance. I have no standing to object, but this is pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary. Paul Paul Rosenzweig paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com> O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 Link to my PGP Key<http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...> From: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:21 AM To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Cc: cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version. ================= Dear all, As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars. In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion: 20-Nov-15 Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC 21-23 Nov-15 CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors 23-Nov-15 CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC 24-Nov-15 Weekly call #69 24-25-Nov 15 Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen 25-Nov-15 Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC 26-Nov-15 Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70) 30-Nov-15 Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations 30-Nov-15 Begin professional proofreading/final editing 12 -Dec-15 Translations ready 20-Dec-15 Delivery of final proofreading/editing 21-Dec-15 End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations 24-Dec-15 Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday. We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work. Best regards Mathieu, Thomas, León ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2015.0.6140 / Virus Database: 4450/10889 - Release Date: 10/25/15 Internal Virus Database is out of date.

Agree completely.

On 19 Nov 2015, at 19:20, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:

Let's not get distracted by the turkey day sideshow -- we'll make that work (although my wife doesn't usually let me handle sharp objects during CCWG calls...).

Making the public comment period and the resulting analysis meaningful, and making sure that the SO/ACs have the time and tools to come to judgment, and to express concerns if they remain. Those are the real concerns.

Greg

...

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu> wrote: Agree with Brett. This is just unacceptable. We are going to have a real public comment period. Anything short of that makes the whole process vulnerable to challenge and rejection.

Perhaps the chairs can tell us why they insist on sticking to these artificial time lines, what they think it accomplishes? As a U.S. citizen reasonably plugged in to the review and oversight process that will take place in NTIA and congress, I see all kinds of sacrifices of legitimacy, efficiency and quality and no serious gain by shortening these time lines

From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Schaefer, Brett Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:00 AM To: Phil Corwin; Paul Rosenzweig; 'León Felipe Sánchez Ambía'; 'Accountability Cross Community'

Cc: 'cc staff all' Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

I will add that the schedule would give only 9 days for public comments after translations are made. I thought this process was supposed to give reasonable review opportunities to non-English speakers?

Brett Schaefer Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy The Heritage Foundation 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Washington, DC 20002 202-608-6097 heritage.org

From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:51 AM To: Paul Rosenzweig; 'León Felipe Sánchez Ambía'; 'Accountability Cross Community' Cc: 'cc staff all' Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

To add to Paul's concern, more Americans travel on the day before and after Thanksgiving (11/26 this year) to gather with friends and family than any other day of the year. Scheduling a call that day, or the day before or after, will make it impossible for many US participants in the CCWG to join the call.

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From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Paul Rosenzweig [paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:39 AM To: 'León Felipe Sánchez Ambía'; 'Accountability Cross Community' Cc: 'cc staff all' Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

Really? You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving day? I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the bounds of my tolerance. I have no standing to object, but this is pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary.

Paul

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From: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:21 AM To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Cc: cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version.

=================

Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars.

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15

Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC

21-23 Nov-15

CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors

23-Nov-15

CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC

24-Nov-15

Weekly call #69

24-25-Nov 15

Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen

25-Nov-15

Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC

26-Nov-15

Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70)

30-Nov-15

Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations

30-Nov-15

Begin professional proofreading/final editing

12 -Dec-15

Translations ready

20-Dec-15

Delivery of final proofreading/editing

21-Dec-15

End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations

24-Dec-15

Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation

Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

Mathieu, Thomas, León

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Brett, Just adjust your seatbelt, put on your headphones, and enjoy the movie. Cabin crew will let you know when we have landed. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Schaefer, Brett < Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org> wrote:

I object to this timeline.

In the Adobe meeting earlier this week there was wide support for extending the comment period to 30 or 40 days. I suggest a CCWG poll on (1) maintaining the 21 day comment period ending on Dec 21, (2) extending it to 30 days ending on Dec 30, or (3) extending it to 40 days ending on Jan 9.

*From:* accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Seun Ojedeji *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:59 AM *To:* Accountability Cross Community *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

Hello,

I do have sympathy for US colleagues participating in this process. I just like to flag early that whatever approach is finally concluded (based on the concern raised by US participants) should be noted and applied for subsequent scenarios that may occur.

Regards

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:20 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:

An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version.

=================

Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars.

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15

Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC

21-23 Nov-15

CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors

23-Nov-15

CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC

24-Nov-15

Weekly call #69

24-25-Nov 15

Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen

25-Nov-15

Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC

26-Nov-15

Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70)

30-Nov-15

Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations

30-Nov-15

Begin professional proofreading/final editing

12 -Dec-15

Translations ready

20-Dec-15

Delivery of final proofreading/editing

21-Dec-15

End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations

24-Dec-15

Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation

Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

Mathieu, Thomas, León

------------------------------ Brett Schaefer Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy The Heritage Foundation 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Washington, DC 20002 202-608-6097 heritage.org

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I support this request for a poll on the proposed timeline, as we may be losing touch with what members and are participants are saying in this working group. It isn’t only the expected work on holidays, but also the pace at which people are expected to read and comment on this work that is impossible. The unavailability of translations on this report until the very end of the public comment period is simply not acceptable as a method of operation. We need a revised timeline in light of the many concerns expressed with the timeline proposed by the co-chairs. Robin

...

On Nov 19, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Schaefer, Brett <Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org <mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org>> wrote:

I object to this timeline.

In the Adobe meeting earlier this week there was wide support for extending the comment period to 30 or 40 days. I suggest a CCWG poll on (1) maintaining the 21 day comment period ending on Dec 21, (2) extending it to 30 days ending on Dec 30, or (3) extending it to 40 days ending on Jan 9.

From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Seun Ojedeji Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:59 AM To: Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

Hello,

I do have sympathy for US colleagues participating in this process. I just like to flag early that whatever approach is finally concluded (based on the concern raised by US participants) should be noted and applied for subsequent scenarios that may occur.

Regards

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:20 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> wrote: An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version.

=================

Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars.

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15 Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC 21-23 Nov-15 CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors 23-Nov-15 CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC 24-Nov-15 Weekly call #69 24-25-Nov 15 Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen 25-Nov-15 Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC 26-Nov-15 Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70) 30-Nov-15 Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations 30-Nov-15 Begin professional proofreading/final editing 12 -Dec-15 Translations ready 20-Dec-15 Delivery of final proofreading/editing 21-Dec-15 End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations 24-Dec-15 Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation

Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

Mathieu, Thomas, León

Brett Schaefer Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy The Heritage Foundation 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Washington, DC 20002 202-608-6097 heritage.org <http://heritage.org/>

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Sure Seun, Any other proposed date that falls on a holiday that would involve 90% of your countrymen being unavailable would be a fine one for me … P Paul Rosenzweig <mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com> paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...> Link to my PGP Key From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:59 AM To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) Hello, I do have sympathy for US colleagues participating in this process. I just like to flag early that whatever approach is finally concluded (based on the concern raised by US participants) should be noted and applied for subsequent scenarios that may occur. Regards On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:20 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> > wrote: An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version. ================= Dear all, As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars. In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion: 20-Nov-15 Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC 21-23 Nov-15 CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors 23-Nov-15 CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC 24-Nov-15 Weekly call #69 24-25-Nov 15 Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen 25-Nov-15 Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC 26-Nov-15 Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70) 30-Nov-15 Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations 30-Nov-15 Begin professional proofreading/final editing 12 -Dec-15 Translations ready 20-Dec-15 Delivery of final proofreading/editing 21-Dec-15 End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations 24-Dec-15 Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday. We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work. Best regards Mathieu, Thomas, León _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt email: <http://goog_1872880453> seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng <mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng> Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!

It isn't American ism Steve.  I would have supported our Canadian colleagues had they objected.  I resent the suggestion. As to substance by all means choose ICANN overe your family  I choose not to. -- Paul Sent from myMail app for Android Thursday, 19 November 2015, 11:59AM -05:00 from Steve DelBianco < sdelbianco@netchoice.org> :

Regarding the proposed call next Thursday 26-Nov.

I too am gathering with family that day to celebrate America’s Thanksgiving holiday.  

But I am willing to “carve" out 2 hours for a CCWG call, knowing that our colleagues have made similar sacrifices over the last year:

...

We’ve held calls on other national holidays Both CWG and CCWG held calls on Canadian Thanksgiving CWG-Stewardship held a call last year on US Thanksgiving

I encourage the Americans on this list to remember we are a global community here.

From: < accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org > on behalf of León Felipe Sánchez Ambía < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx > Date: Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM To: Accountability Cross Community < accountability-cross-community@icann.org > Cc: cc staff all < cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version.

=================

Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars. 

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15 Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC 21-23 Nov-15 CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors 23-Nov-15 CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due  by 23:59 UTC 24-Nov-15 Weekly call #69 24-25-Nov 15 Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen 25-Nov-15 Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC 26-Nov-15 Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70) 30-Nov-15 Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations 30-Nov-15 Begin professional proofreading/final editing 12 -Dec-15 Translations ready  20-Dec-15 Delivery of final proofreading/editing 21-Dec-15 End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations 24-Dec-15 Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation   Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday  26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.  

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

Mathieu, Thomas, León

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Steve and all: The issue of the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday needs to be separated from the overall timeline. I have no problem with a call on a local holiday if there is no better alternative. I do have a problem with a timeline that does not allow proper review and public comment upon the proposal. The former is unfortunate but justifiable, the latter is unacceptable. --MM From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Steve DelBianco Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:59 AM To: Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) Regarding the proposed call next Thursday 26-Nov. I too am gathering with family that day to celebrate America’s Thanksgiving holiday. But I am willing to “carve" out 2 hours for a CCWG call, knowing that our colleagues have made similar sacrifices over the last year: We’ve held calls on other national holidays Both CWG and CCWG held calls on Canadian Thanksgiving CWG-Stewardship held a call last year on US Thanksgiving I encourage the Americans on this list to remember we are a global community here. From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> Date: Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Cc: cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated) An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version. ================= Dear all, As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars. In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion: 20-Nov-15 Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC 21-23 Nov-15 CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors 23-Nov-15 CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC 24-Nov-15 Weekly call #69 24-25-Nov 15 Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen 25-Nov-15 Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC 26-Nov-15 Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70) 30-Nov-15 Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations 30-Nov-15 Begin professional proofreading/final editing 12 -Dec-15 Translations ready 20-Dec-15 Delivery of final proofreading/editing 21-Dec-15 End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations 24-Dec-15 Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday. We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work. Best regards Mathieu, Thomas, León

Only one explanation for this: the co-chairs are hand in glove with INTA, The International Turkey Association, in a feckless attempt to save these delicious creatures. Sent from my iPhone

On 19-Nov-2015, at 5:59 PM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote:

Regarding the proposed call next Thursday 26-Nov.

I too am gathering with family that day to celebrate America’s Thanksgiving holiday.

But I am willing to “carve" out 2 hours for a CCWG call, knowing that our colleagues have made similar sacrifices over the last year: We’ve held calls on other national holidays Both CWG and CCWG held calls on Canadian Thanksgiving CWG-Stewardship held a call last year on US Thanksgiving

I encourage the Americans on this list to remember we are a global community here.

From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> Date: Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Cc: cc staff all <cc-staff@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard the earlier version and have this version as the final version.

=================

Dear all,

As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we invite you to read and mark in your calendars.

In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and appropriate fashion:

20-Nov-15 Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC 21-23 Nov-15 CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party groups, legal counsel and Advisors 23-Nov-15 CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due by 23:59 UTC 24-Nov-15 Weekly call #69 24-25-Nov 15 Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team holding the pen 25-Nov-15 Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC 26-Nov-15 Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70) 30-Nov-15 Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations 30-Nov-15 Begin professional proofreading/final editing 12 -Dec-15 Translations ready 20-Dec-15 Delivery of final proofreading/editing 21-Dec-15 End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to indicate support for recommendations 24-Dec-15 Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for recommendation

Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding an additional next week on Thursday 26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.

We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and hard work.

Best regards

Mathieu, Thomas, León

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