Hi all, May I recommend that if anybody feels the need to reply to any e-mail from Jeffrey Williams that, rather than hitting the "Reply to All" button that you rather cut and paste it into a fresh e-mail, sending it only to a specific list. If you simply hit "Reply to All" then you are just adding to his excessive cross-posting behaviour, which is one reason why he has been modified. Also, then your e-mail may go to unintended recipients as below. This is just a suggestion. Darlene ________________________________ From: Carl Wallace [mailto:CWallace@cygnacom.com] Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 11:23 AM To: Von Welch; Jeffrey A. Williams Cc: Michele Neylon; At-Large Worldwide; aheineman@ntia.doc.gov; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ajp@glocom.ac.jp; alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca; avri@acm.org; bev@pcna.ca; icann-list@sorehands.com; BClist@bizconst.org; namecritic@blogs.pn; Brenbe@consumer.org; bfausett@internet.law.pro; carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm; cheryl@hovtek.com.au; dannyyounger@yahoo.com; dave@farber.net; denise.michel@icann.org; dominik.filipp@dsoft.sk; ediaz@prtc.net; elisabeth.porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr; enoss@tucows.com; frederic.teboul@icann.org; shearman@victoria.tc.ca; cgomes@verisign.com; jeffrey@icann.org; iza@anr.org; jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca; jefsey@club-internet.fr; baptista@publicroot.org; john-ietf@jck.com; jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; mike@palage.com; admin@isoc.sd; Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us; jnevett@networksolutions.com; nick.ashton-hart@icann.org; Paul.Paray@CNA.COM; twomey@icann.org; roberto@icann.org; ross@tucows.com; stacy.burnette@icann.org; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; roessler@does-not-exist.org; Thompson, Darlene; vb@bertola.eu; wendy@seltzer.com; joly@punkcast.com Subject: RE: [At-Large] Not the pending death of a registry Likewise. -----Original Message----- From: Von Welch [mailto:vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:42 AM To: Jeffrey A. Williams Cc: Michele Neylon; At-Large Worldwide; aheineman@ntia.doc.gov; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ajp@glocom.ac.jp; alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca; avri@acm.org; bev@pcna.ca; icann-list@sorehands.com; BClist@bizconst.org; namecritic@blogs.pn; Brenbe@consumer.org; bfausett@internet.law.pro; Carl Wallace; carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm; cheryl@hovtek.com.au; dannyyounger@yahoo.com; dave@farber.net; denise.michel@icann.org; dominik.filipp@dsoft.sk; ediaz@prtc.net; elisabeth.porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr; enoss@tucows.com; frederic.teboul@icann.org; shearman@victoria.tc.ca; cgomes@verisign.com; jeffrey@icann.org; iza@anr.org; jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca; jefsey@club-internet.fr; baptista@publicroot.org; john-ietf@jck.com; jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; mike@palage.com; admin@isoc.sd; Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us; jnevett@networksolutions.com; nick.ashton-hart@icann.org; Paul.Paray@CNA.COM; twomey@icann.org; roberto@icann.org; ross@tucows.com; stacy.burnette@icann.org; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; roessler@does-not-exist.org; DThompson@GOV.NU.CA; vb@bertola.eu; wendy@seltzer.com; joly@punkcast.com Subject: Re: [At-Large] Not the pending death of a registry Hello- I notice that I've been explicitly cc'ed on a number of these emails related to ICANN and have no idea why that would be the case. I suspect it is a mistake. Regards, Von Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:
Michele and all,
Very good question IMHO. That figures out to be about 8k per registration just for administration costs! Looks to me there are some shanagans going on there... I bet they wouldn't pass a in depth audit... Of course niether did ICANN some time back... Birds of a feather perhaps?
And so the ICANN/GNSO decision making saga continues eh? What's next, lets see now... Maybe .Pharm for pharmacuticles? or maybe just .Drug instead?
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From: Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.ie> Sent: May 30, 2008 4:59 AM To: At-Large Worldwide <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Not the pending death of a registry
On 30 May 2008, at 01:58, John Levine wrote:
It appears that .TRAVEL generates about $1.5 million per year in revenue, which should be enough to keep it going just fine if they cut down on whatever is costing $200K/mo in administrative overhead,
which shouldn't be hard.
What on earth are they spending that money on?
When I wrote about them last year they only had 25 thousand names registered:
http://www.isquattedyour.eu/2007/05/20/tralliance-in-trouble-travel-c ould-die/
So it's not a particularly noble situation, but it looks like .TRAVEL will survive to fail another day.
Considering its size and "popularity" why aren't they courting one of
the other registry operators? Is there any sane reason for them to continue a loss making exercise when a larger and leaner organisation
might be in a better position to do it?
I agree with Danny that ICANN should still be working on registry failover plans, because if Egan ever loses interest, Tralliance could collapse in a matter of weeks.
Agreed
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Thank you for your suggestion Darlene... I'd go further... I believe that a message to this list should be a message to *ONLY* this list... If you choose also to message an individual (or list of them as we sometimes see in some poster behavior as c.c. or multiple of To: addresses), then do that under separate cover... CLO -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Darlene Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:38 AM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [At-Large] E-mail Etiquette Hi all, May I recommend that if anybody feels the need to reply to any e-mail from Jeffrey Williams that, rather than hitting the "Reply to All" button that you rather cut and paste it into a fresh e-mail, sending it only to a specific list. If you simply hit "Reply to All" then you are just adding to his excessive cross-posting behaviour, which is one reason why he has been modified. Also, then your e-mail may go to unintended recipients as below. This is just a suggestion. Darlene
On 2 Jun 2008, at 19:38, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Hi all,
May I recommend that if anybody feels the need to reply to any e- mail from Jeffrey Williams that, rather than hitting the "Reply to All" button that you rather cut and paste it into a fresh e-mail, sending it only to a specific list.
That breaks threading in a lot of email clients The simplest solution is to hit reply and replace the address in the "to" field. Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
There's even a simpler solution - don't reply, or use filters at the front-end (I do the latter and never read "his" emails, as they are trushed before they reach my computer) Veni On 6/12/08, Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.ie> wrote:
On 2 Jun 2008, at 19:38, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Hi all,
May I recommend that if anybody feels the need to reply to any e- mail from Jeffrey Williams that, rather than hitting the "Reply to All" button that you rather cut and paste it into a fresh e-mail, sending it only to a specific list.
That breaks threading in a lot of email clients
The simplest solution is to hit reply and replace the address in the "to" field.
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There is one possible option that can be done at the mailing-list administrative side. Mails going through the list can have a "reply-to" header added so that choosing "reply" (_not_ "reply all") to them sends your response to the list rather than the original sender. Under the current setting it is tempting to do "reply all", to respond to both the list and the sender, but then you're just repeating the original excess Cc's. Some people do not like this setting, but I find it works well and discourages cross-postings. As for the original point of this thread... a case can certainly made that JAW's excessive lists of CCs, to people that have responded that they clearly don't want the mail, constitutes spam. Anyone wishing to proceed accordingly, in appropriate anti-spam reporting action, has my support. - Evan
Evan Leibovitch wrote:
There is one possible option that can be done at the mailing-list administrative side.
Mails going through the list can have a "reply-to" header added so that choosing "reply" (_not_ "reply all") to them sends your response to the list rather than the original sender. Under the current setting it is tempting to do "reply all", to respond to both the list and the sender, but then you're just repeating the original excess Cc's.
Evan A lot of mailing lists have that setting and it works very well. You can still see the original sender address, so if you really want to email then offlist or whatever you can still do it. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ Tel. 1850 929 929 Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
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