Dear ATRT2, Jørgen and I hereby send a revised version of the Finance template with the remarks from our meeting in Washington incorporated. I have more templates to come during the weekend. Enjoy your Friday Best, Lise
Thank you very much Lise. I'm sorry I could not connect to the whole Washington meeting. I don't know if you are going to deal with other financial issues in other templates. But beyond all inputs into this template, which I think is very good, I have a particular issue I don't see reflected here. I think that some specific "functions" of ICANN need to be guaranteed at the highest professional level possible and their financial support should be clearly evident and separate from the rest in the budgeting and reporting side. i think that support for the policy development process, as well as the compliance functions deserve clear separation and justifications, so that the community is assured, that those function are properly and continuously endowed, clearly staffed and its performance beyond any ups and downs of the overall financial situation and development of the DNS business volume. Maybe this is going to show up in the other templates you announced. Best regards 2013/9/27 Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr@difo.dk>
Dear ATRT2,****
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Jørgen and I hereby send a revised version of the Finance template with the remarks from our meeting in Washington incorporated.****
I have more templates to come during the weekend.****
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Enjoy your Friday****
Best,****
Lise****
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Hi Carlos, No your raised subject is not in the other templates I am sorry. I have no problems with your suggestion, but you can discuss it at the conference call Tuesday. Best, Lise Fra: Carlos Raul Gutierrez [mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org] Sendt: 28. september 2013 13:22 Til: Lise Fuhr Cc: ATRT2 Emne: Re: [atrt2] Finance template Thank you very much Lise. I'm sorry I could not connect to the whole Washington meeting. I don't know if you are going to deal with other financial issues in other templates. But beyond all inputs into this template, which I think is very good, I have a particular issue I don't see reflected here. I think that some specific "functions" of ICANN need to be guaranteed at the highest professional level possible and their financial support should be clearly evident and separate from the rest in the budgeting and reporting side. i think that support for the policy development process, as well as the compliance functions deserve clear separation and justifications, so that the community is assured, that those function are properly and continuously endowed, clearly staffed and its performance beyond any ups and downs of the overall financial situation and development of the DNS business volume. Maybe this is going to show up in the other templates you announced. Best regards 2013/9/27 Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr@difo.dk> Dear ATRT2, Jørgen and I hereby send a revised version of the Finance template with the remarks from our meeting in Washington incorporated. I have more templates to come during the weekend. Enjoy your Friday Best, Lise _______________________________________________ atrt2 mailing list atrt2@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/atrt2 -- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez skype carlos.raulg _________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA Mobile +506 6060 7176
Dear Lise and Jørgen, Staff has been reviewing the proposed observations and recommendations considered by the ATRT 2 and would like to offer several clarifications. As you are the ATRT 2 members assigned to complete the analysis and the documentation on various items, staff would appreciate your consideration of the information summarized here. The ATRT2 draft Finance recommendation communicated to staff includes guiding principles and needs that are generally consistent with those that staff takes into account to evolve the processes and publications towards increased accountability and transparency. Further consideration will be required, ideally in direct interaction with the relevant members of the ATRT2 team, to determine the possibility to implement or not those provisions of the recommendations that are more specific or prescriptive, and to determine alternative approaches that would not divert from the intended objectives. Staff appreciates the significant work effort that you and the Review Team have committed to making ongoing improvements in ICANN's accountability and transparency. Larisa B. Gurnick Consultant/Senior Director, Organizational Reviews Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) larisa.gurnick@icann.org<mailto:larisa.gurnick@icann.org> 310 383-8995 From: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lise Fuhr Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:57 AM To: atrt2@icann.org Subject: [atrt2] Finance template Dear ATRT2, Jørgen and I hereby send a revised version of the Finance template with the remarks from our meeting in Washington incorporated. I have more templates to come during the weekend. Enjoy your Friday Best, Lise
Dear Larisa and Xavier, I am a bit surprised by your email, since the recommendations have been posted for quite a while and I thought that the conference call with Xavier was to sort this out. I am a bit unsure of what it is that you want us to change since we do not have any solid documentation from staff that content of the recommendations are implemented at the moment. We have some ideas that staff are considering to implement what is recommended, but in my opinion this is not enough we have to ensure that recommendations are taken into account by the board and ICANN staff. The public comments regarding the budget support this. If there are some of the more specific or prescriptive recommendations that needs to be looked at and maybe determine alternative approaches that would not divert from the intended objectives I am open to find a recommendation that is more operational for you. Best, Lise Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Larisa B. Gurnick Sendt: 2. oktober 2013 16:09 Til: ATRT2 (atrt2@icann.org) Cc: Xavier J. Calvez Emne: Re: [atrt2] Finance template Dear Lise and Jørgen, Staff has been reviewing the proposed observations and recommendations considered by the ATRT 2 and would like to offer several clarifications. As you are the ATRT 2 members assigned to complete the analysis and the documentation on various items, staff would appreciate your consideration of the information summarized here. The ATRT2 draft Finance recommendation communicated to staff includes guiding principles and needs that are generally consistent with those that staff takes into account to evolve the processes and publications towards increased accountability and transparency. Further consideration will be required, ideally in direct interaction with the relevant members of the ATRT2 team, to determine the possibility to implement or not those provisions of the recommendations that are more specific or prescriptive, and to determine alternative approaches that would not divert from the intended objectives. Staff appreciates the significant work effort that you and the Review Team have committed to making ongoing improvements in ICANNs accountability and transparency. Larisa B. Gurnick Consultant/Senior Director, Organizational Reviews Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) larisa.gurnick@icann.org 310 383-8995 From: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lise Fuhr Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:57 AM To: atrt2@icann.org Subject: [atrt2] Finance template Dear ATRT2, Jørgen and I hereby send a revised version of the Finance template with the remarks from our meeting in Washington incorporated. I have more templates to come during the weekend. Enjoy your Friday Best, Lise
Dear Larisa. I can only echo what Lise has said below. As we have not received any proposals from you and Xavier for concrete changes in our paper based on solid documentation we cannot at this late stage without further discussion in ATRT hold back the final version of the template on ICANN Finances. Moreover I may remind you that you didn't ask for any changes when we discussed the template yesterday. Instead you confirmed my report from the conference call between you, me and Xavier. There was no conclusion about any need for changes in the template coming out of this call. Instead I concluded that the thinking behind the current ICANN initiatives within this field seemed to be very much in line with the thinking behind the proposals in the template on Finances although the proposals in the template to some extent go further than current ICANN initiatives. You confirmed this conclusion upon my request. Yesterday Brian asked us to submit to you all before COB today a version of the template on Finances reflecting the agreement achieved during the call yesterday (Olivier's remark about including "the end-user" as the one to benefit from lowering ICANN's fees). Please find attached the revised final version of the template on ICANN Finances dated 2 October, 2013. Best regards Jørgen ________________________________ Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Lise Fuhr Sendt: 2. oktober 2013 17:02 Til: 'Larisa B. Gurnick'; 'ATRT2' Cc: 'Xavier J. Calvez' Emne: Re: [atrt2] Finance template Dear Larisa and Xavier, I am a bit surprised by your email, since the recommendations have been posted for quite a while and I thought that the conference call with Xavier was to sort this out. I am a bit unsure of what it is that you want us to change - since we do not have any solid documentation from staff that content of the recommendations are implemented at the moment. We have some ideas that staff are considering to implement what is recommended, but in my opinion this is not enough - we have to ensure that recommendations are taken into account by the board and ICANN staff. The public comments regarding the budget support this. If there are some of the more specific or prescriptive recommendations that needs to be looked at and maybe determine alternative approaches that would not divert from the intended objectives I am open to find a recommendation that is more operational for you. Best, Lise Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Larisa B. Gurnick Sendt: 2. oktober 2013 16:09 Til: ATRT2 (atrt2@icann.org) Cc: Xavier J. Calvez Emne: Re: [atrt2] Finance template Dear Lise and Jørgen, Staff has been reviewing the proposed observations and recommendations considered by the ATRT 2 and would like to offer several clarifications. As you are the ATRT 2 members assigned to complete the analysis and the documentation on various items, staff would appreciate your consideration of the information summarized here. The ATRT2 draft Finance recommendation communicated to staff includes guiding principles and needs that are generally consistent with those that staff takes into account to evolve the processes and publications towards increased accountability and transparency. Further consideration will be required, ideally in direct interaction with the relevant members of the ATRT2 team, to determine the possibility to implement or not those provisions of the recommendations that are more specific or prescriptive, and to determine alternative approaches that would not divert from the intended objectives. Staff appreciates the significant work effort that you and the Review Team have committed to making ongoing improvements in ICANN's accountability and transparency. Larisa B. Gurnick Consultant/Senior Director, Organizational Reviews Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) larisa.gurnick@icann.org<mailto:larisa.gurnick@icann.org> 310 383-8995 From: atrt2-bounces@icann.org<mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lise Fuhr Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:57 AM To: atrt2@icann.org<mailto:atrt2@icann.org> Subject: [atrt2] Finance template Dear ATRT2, Jørgen and I hereby send a revised version of the Finance template with the remarks from our meeting in Washington incorporated. I have more templates to come during the weekend. Enjoy your Friday Best, Lise
Dear Lise (cc ATRT2 members): On behalf of ICANN Staff, thank you for your feedback. We understand the ATRT2 is under a tight deadline to publish its draft report, and Staff is doing its best to respond quickly. Unfortunately, with the press of other, previously scheduled business (including a three-day Board Workshop), Finance Staff has not been able to give the revised language (which was provided in the last three working days) the attention it requires. Larisa is off today, but allow me to elaborate. While Staff is in alignment with the broad objectives in the text, we have not had enough time to consider the implications of the prescriptive measures proposed. As I believe Xavier noted in his last conversation with you, Staff is developing an approach that meets our shared objectives and helps ensure that the SOs and ACs have ample time to comment on the operating plan and budget, receive a response to their input, and understand the results. We will share the process with the ATRT2 as soon as it is completed and approved by the Board. At this point, given your deadlines, Staff would recommend that the ATRT2 include the overall objectives in its draft report, and note that the development of a corresponding process is imminent (rather than recommending the Team's own detailed process). Upon first read of the proposed text, Staff had some concern that the new proposed process may not be the most effective, or feasible approach. For example, the prescribed process and periods for the review and feedback on the budget leads to an approximately 5-month validation process once the full detailed budget draft has been finalized and is made available. Since the final budget needs to be approved by the end of June, under the proposed process that means that the draft budget processes needs to be completed by the end of January every year, which I am not sure is feasible or advisable. Again, we would like to get Finance Staff together with you and Jorgen to work through this if possible. With a better understanding of what each step suggested in the proposed text is intending to achieve, I believe Staff could have a more constructive discussion on possible alternatives to achieve the objectives with an impact on timing that is different. We look forward to working with you on the objectives of the recommendations and their suggested implementation actions in the near future. Regards, Denise On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr@difo.dk> wrote:
Dear Larisa and Xavier,****
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I am a bit surprised by your email, since the recommendations have been posted for quite a while and I thought that the conference call with Xavier was to sort this out. ****
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I am a bit unsure of what it is that you want us to change – since we do not have any solid documentation from staff that content of the recommendations are implemented at the moment. We have some ideas that staff are considering to implement what is recommended, but in my opinion this is not enough – we have to ensure that recommendations are taken into account by the board and ICANN staff. The public comments regarding the budget support this. ****
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If there are some of the more specific or prescriptive recommendations that needs to be looked at and maybe determine alternative approaches that would not divert from the intended objectives I am open to find a recommendation that is more operational for you.****
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Best,****
Lise****
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*Fra:* atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] *På vegne af *Larisa B. Gurnick *Sendt:* 2. oktober 2013 16:09 *Til:* ATRT2 (atrt2@icann.org) *Cc:* Xavier J. Calvez
*Emne:* Re: [atrt2] Finance template****
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Dear Lise and Jørgen,****
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Staff has been reviewing the proposed observations and recommendations considered by the ATRT 2 and would like to offer several clarifications. As you are the ATRT 2 members assigned to complete the analysis and the documentation on various items, staff would appreciate your consideration of the information summarized here.****
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The ATRT2 draft Finance recommendation communicated to staff includes guiding principles and needs that are generally consistent with those that staff takes into account to evolve the processes and publications towards increased accountability and transparency. Further consideration will be required, ideally in direct interaction with the relevant members of the ATRT2 team, to determine the possibility to implement or not those provisions of the recommendations that are more specific or prescriptive, and to determine alternative approaches that would not divert from the intended objectives. ****
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Staff appreciates the significant work effort that you and the Review Team have committed to making ongoing improvements in ICANN’s accountability and transparency.****
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*Larisa B. Gurnick*
Consultant/Senior Director, Organizational Reviews****
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)****
larisa.gurnick@icann.org****
310 383-8995****
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*From:* atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org<atrt2-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Lise Fuhr *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2013 8:57 AM *To:* atrt2@icann.org *Subject:* [atrt2] Finance template****
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Dear ATRT2,****
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Jørgen and I hereby send a revised version of the Finance template with the remarks from our meeting in Washington incorporated.****
I have more templates to come during the weekend.****
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Enjoy your Friday****
Best,****
Lise****
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Dear Larisa. Thank you for your contribution. With the timeline for finalising the draft report for consultation discussed and agreed at the conference call yesterday I don't see any time left for starting a new discussion at this stage between Lise, me and ICANN staff on corrections to the text of the template on Finances which was adopted by ATRT yesterday (with one minor correction). We (Xavier, Larisa and me) already had a conference call a week ago where no concrete proposals (or announced proposals) for changes in the template on Finances were presented. But let me remind you that it is a draft that we are submitting for consultation. If we receive new information from you (or from others) during the consultation period and ATRT considers that this new information merits changes in the templates/draft recommendations there is still room for implementing such changes when we are drafting the final report following the meeting in Buenos Aires. This was also very explicitly underlined by Brian at the meeting yesterday. Best regards Jørgen ________________________________ Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Denise Michel Sendt: 2. oktober 2013 21:13 Til: Lise Fuhr Cc: ATRT2; Xavier J. Calvez Emne: Re: [atrt2] Finance template Dear Lise (cc ATRT2 members): On behalf of ICANN Staff, thank you for your feedback. We understand the ATRT2 is under a tight deadline to publish its draft report, and Staff is doing its best to respond quickly. Unfortunately, with the press of other, previously scheduled business (including a three-day Board Workshop), Finance Staff has not been able to give the revised language (which was provided in the last three working days) the attention it requires. Larisa is off today, but allow me to elaborate. While Staff is in alignment with the broad objectives in the text, we have not had enough time to consider the implications of the prescriptive measures proposed. As I believe Xavier noted in his last conversation with you, Staff is developing an approach that meets our shared objectives and helps ensure that the SOs and ACs have ample time to comment on the operating plan and budget, receive a response to their input, and understand the results. We will share the process with the ATRT2 as soon as it is completed and approved by the Board. At this point, given your deadlines, Staff would recommend that the ATRT2 include the overall objectives in its draft report, and note that the development of a corresponding process is imminent (rather than recommending the Team's own detailed process). Upon first read of the proposed text, Staff had some concern that the new proposed process may not be the most effective, or feasible approach. For example, the prescribed process and periods for the review and feedback on the budget leads to an approximately 5-month validation process once the full detailed budget draft has been finalized and is made available. Since the final budget needs to be approved by the end of June, under the proposed process that means that the draft budget processes needs to be completed by the end of January every year, which I am not sure is feasible or advisable. Again, we would like to get Finance Staff together with you and Jorgen to work through this if possible. With a better understanding of what each step suggested in the proposed text is intending to achieve, I believe Staff could have a more constructive discussion on possible alternatives to achieve the objectives with an impact on timing that is different. We look forward to working with you on the objectives of the recommendations and their suggested implementation actions in the near future. Regards, Denise On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr@difo.dk<mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk>> wrote: Dear Larisa and Xavier, I am a bit surprised by your email, since the recommendations have been posted for quite a while and I thought that the conference call with Xavier was to sort this out. I am a bit unsure of what it is that you want us to change - since we do not have any solid documentation from staff that content of the recommendations are implemented at the moment. We have some ideas that staff are considering to implement what is recommended, but in my opinion this is not enough - we have to ensure that recommendations are taken into account by the board and ICANN staff. The public comments regarding the budget support this. If there are some of the more specific or prescriptive recommendations that needs to be looked at and maybe determine alternative approaches that would not divert from the intended objectives I am open to find a recommendation that is more operational for you. Best, Lise Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org<mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org<mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org>] På vegne af Larisa B. Gurnick Sendt: 2. oktober 2013 16:09 Til: ATRT2 (atrt2@icann.org<mailto:atrt2@icann.org>) Cc: Xavier J. Calvez Emne: Re: [atrt2] Finance template Dear Lise and Jørgen, Staff has been reviewing the proposed observations and recommendations considered by the ATRT 2 and would like to offer several clarifications. As you are the ATRT 2 members assigned to complete the analysis and the documentation on various items, staff would appreciate your consideration of the information summarized here. The ATRT2 draft Finance recommendation communicated to staff includes guiding principles and needs that are generally consistent with those that staff takes into account to evolve the processes and publications towards increased accountability and transparency. Further consideration will be required, ideally in direct interaction with the relevant members of the ATRT2 team, to determine the possibility to implement or not those provisions of the recommendations that are more specific or prescriptive, and to determine alternative approaches that would not divert from the intended objectives. Staff appreciates the significant work effort that you and the Review Team have committed to making ongoing improvements in ICANN's accountability and transparency. Larisa B. Gurnick Consultant/Senior Director, Organizational Reviews Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) larisa.gurnick@icann.org<mailto:larisa.gurnick@icann.org> 310 383-8995<tel:310%20383-8995> From: atrt2-bounces@icann.org<mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lise Fuhr Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:57 AM To: atrt2@icann.org<mailto:atrt2@icann.org> Subject: [atrt2] Finance template Dear ATRT2, Jørgen and I hereby send a revised version of the Finance template with the remarks from our meeting in Washington incorporated. I have more templates to come during the weekend. Enjoy your Friday Best, Lise _______________________________________________ atrt2 mailing list atrt2@icann.org<mailto:atrt2@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/atrt2
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Carlos Raul Gutierrez -
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Larisa B. Gurnick -
Lise Fuhr