Re: [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses
WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT: Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant. I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments. I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment: BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...> As Steve has noted, we are running late on this submission. My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then: -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond. -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members. I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM To: Marilyn Cade Subject: edits to Diversity comments
This is wonderful stuff. I made a few edits to clarify (and to try to push ICANN more) but have changed little. A couple of quick questions where we might want comment: 1. Do we have any idea what kind of support from ICANN staff is expected for this activity? If support is being offered, would be good to know what kind is envisioned. 2. Do we have a diversity goal — short of saying that SO/AC groups should strive for greater diversity? Perhaps that sounds too business/transactional (and recognizing that hard targets can be abused if not structured correctly). Still, if we’re serious about diversity, can we define what success looks like? Not sure if either of these two issues has been addressed already, but I didn’t see them. Many thanks to Jimson and Marilyn for great work on this, Andrew ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack [cid:4035FDEF-07CF-4891-9C74-9731EB21F11C] AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com<http://www.amglobal.com/> | amack@amglobal.com On 12/4/17, 4:08 PM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> wrote: WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT: Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant. I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments. I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment: BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...> As Steve has noted, we are running late on this submission. My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then: -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond. -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members. I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM To: Marilyn Cade Subject: edits to Diversity comments
I agree with Jimson's draft and Marilyns edits, including adding the initial BC response as background document. Regarding the recommendations for staff support in compiling diversity reports probably ICANN could appoint a specific person to be in charge of the coordination (a kind of Diversity Officer)? If I think of something else I will add even if we have opened it up to the membership. KInd Regards, Waudo On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, at 12:08 AM, Marilyn Cade wrote:
WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT:
Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant.>
I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments.> I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment:> BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity[1]
*As Steve has noted,* *we are running late on this submission. *
My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then:> -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do> more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond.> -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating>
All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members.> I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson.>
Marilyn
*From:* Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM *To:* Marilyn Cade *Subject:* edits to Diversity comments>
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I would like to propose the addition of some wording regarding diversity among businesses, somewhat in answer to Point 2 that Andrew made. Something along these lines: *It is the belief of the BC that businesses of all sizes and specialties are affected by ICANN's policies and the consequences that those carry for their online presence. In that sense, we would like to reinforce the idea that not only is it important to have diversity of stakeholders, but also to find a broader sense of diversity within those groups. As far as commercial users are concerned, the involvement of SMEs along with large corporations and class entities is vital to gather a variety of views that can come close to reflecting a shared set of values that can be called global and beneficial to businesspeople around the world. It is our desire to keep on increasing our collaboration with the ICANN organization to reach these actors, and to continually become more representative of the many ventures we speak for.* Just my 2 cents. Best, - Mark On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:18 AM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
I agree with Jimson's draft and Marilyns edits, including adding the initial BC response as background document. Regarding the recommendations for staff support in compiling diversity reports probably ICANN could appoint a specific person to be in charge of the coordination (a kind of Diversity Officer)? If I think of something else I will add even if we have opened it up to the membership.
KInd Regards, Waudo
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, at 12:08 AM, Marilyn Cade wrote:
WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT:
Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant.
I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments.
I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment:
BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...>
*As Steve has noted,* *we are running late on this submission. *
My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then: -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond. -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating
All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members.
I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson.
Marilyn
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*From:* Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM *To:* Marilyn Cade *Subject:* edits to Diversity comments
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Colleagues, Let me commend Jimson for setting the stage with a crisp comment and Marilyn for the edits. I feel comfortable with the comments but just to add that on Position 4: ICANN Meetings usually have rooms for registration but perhaps we request that ICANN retrieves and send to respective SO/AC after each meeting. This may be misleading in two ways: While interacting with Newcomers and Fellows, I observed that quite a few switch interests after attending different constituency meetings, feeling more at home else than they had registered for the meeting. Some may not have the opportunity of returning for meetings and the interest will be gone. Some have conflict of work / personal choices to make. There is this other tiny challenge of some misunderstanding the objectives of SO/AC To this end, SO/AC might have to define internal diversity criteria with which to work with once the statistics come from ICANN. If possible, So/AC might as well forward to ICANN what constitutes contents for face-face or online participants. Thanks. Tola
On 4 Dec 2017, at 22:08, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> wrote:
WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT:
Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant.
I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments.
I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment:
BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...>
As Steve has noted, we are running late on this submission.
My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then: -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond. -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating
All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members.
I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson.
Marilyn From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com <mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM To: Marilyn Cade Subject: edits to Diversity comments
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Tola, very helpful comments. Can I ask for other comments today, so I can update our draft. I know how busy we all are... Other information: If you are not watching African IGF, and Jimson's address, I will find it and forward it. We are very fortunate that one of our BC Officers is recognized as an expert from the global south, and received such a welcomed opportunity as a major speaker. I say this, as I know he will not promote himself. He has received this honor now for a few years. We as the BC benefit from this, and I wanted to thank Jimson. Taking the time to prepare and then travel for so many days of time commitment impacts business, as all of us from SMEs really understand. I hope all of us will celebrate Jimson's visibility at the African IGF. And consider how we can replicate this in LATAM, and in Asia-Pacific. welcoming other comments to add to Tola's. ________________________________ From: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:24 AM To: Marilyn Cade Cc: Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; Andrew Mack; Waudo Siganga; Arinola Akinyemi; bc-excomm@icann.org; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Colleagues, Let me commend Jimson for setting the stage with a crisp comment and Marilyn for the edits. I feel comfortable with the comments but just to add that on Position 4: ICANN Meetings usually have rooms for registration but perhaps we request that ICANN retrieves and send to respective SO/AC after each meeting. This may be misleading in two ways: 1. While interacting with Newcomers and Fellows, I observed that quite a few switch interests after attending different constituency meetings, feeling more at home else than they had registered for the meeting. 2. Some may not have the opportunity of returning for meetings and the interest will be gone. 3. Some have conflict of work / personal choices to make. 4. There is this other tiny challenge of some misunderstanding the objectives of SO/AC To this end, SO/AC might have to define internal diversity criteria with which to work with once the statistics come from ICANN. If possible, So/AC might as well forward to ICANN what constitutes contents for face-face or online participants. Thanks. Tola On 4 Dec 2017, at 22:08, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> wrote: WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT: Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant. I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments. I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment: BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...> As Steve has noted, we are running late on this submission. My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then: -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond. -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members. I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM To: Marilyn Cade Subject: edits to Diversity comments <BC Comments on Diversity - JO+MSC.docx>_______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fbc-outreach&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb110e9d8e9a94012ba2608d53bb98e2a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636480590491667753&sdata=FP%2BI67pnIgIaq1JmUEjoKExa5r%2BLKLJo4AFN2PSzgGw%3D&reserved=0> ___________________ Adetola SOGBESAN, M.Sc. Inf. Sys. Mgt. 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