Re: [cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description
Hi everyone, I think we may move to Wednesday morning at 10:00. the GAC-board meeting is from 8:30 to 9:30. We are still discussing about timing for CCWG on IG meeting. I also strongly advise for 2 hours session only. what I need as input: - session description , title and tentative agenda (which will be online) • a breakdown of topics to be discussed • a list of speakers/panellists • an explanation of the session’s goals and expected outcomes • hyperlinks to relevant documentation. - expected number of attendees - preferred set-up: u shape, theatre, rounds, board, classroom etc I will ask of course of for remote participation and adobe connect. I need to submit the request by 15th Dec finally, I think that is time to move to more substantive discussion to prepare the session. Rafik 2014-12-07 9:53 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat <joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>:
Hi all and thanks for the suggestions as well - Seems Wednesday at 9.30 may be least worst option .... Perhaps we should also be willing to consider a slightly shorter session if that helps with scheduling (eg to reduce to 2 or 2.5 hours) Joy
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Hi all,
For your reference, the ICANN51 schedule: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full
Monday afternoon is risky because it might overlap with ICANN accountability discussions, updates on new gTLDs, etc.
Wednesday morning is risky because of the CCWG on Internet Governance. But since the latter is from 8:30 - 9:45, if we start at 9:30, we should be OK with a slow start. Will you keep the same time for Singapore for this workshop Bill ?
If so, I'd go for Wednesday morning.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 04:06 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi,
I meant checking quickly if there are other sessions (e.g. checking schedules in previous ICANN meetings or if someone is aware about new session) to mitigate risks of clashes, after submission we cannot request changes.
Rafik
2014-12-05 23:39 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>:
Yes, I meant Wednesday. Thanks for the correction Niels. Although Olivier mentioned that Monday afternoon is not blocked..
Considering the meeting will always clash with something else, a 3-hour session could be strategic to allow people to join us at some moment. We could even explicitly divide the session in "part 1" and "part 2", so people that could come (although late) do not feel they missed too much and still feel encouraged to attend. Of course, this is besides the fact that we do have a lot of substantive topics to discuss. I understand Rafik´s point, but maybe we should try to push for the three hours.
Rafik, do you suggest we wait to book the room, so we coordinate with other sessions being scheduled? Isn´t it dangerous in terms of securing a room for us? I think it is better to have it scheduled as soon as possible. If something substantial changes on the agenda we re-evaluate.
Best,
Marília
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi ,
I think we should see the different SO/AC sessions ( we have also the CCWG on IG session too!) and find some possible time slot.
3 hours is long and not necessarily easy to secure room (while we could do that in London for a different topic , not sure we can reiterate that).
Rafik
2014-12-05 22:59 GMT+09:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>>:
Hello all,
it is possible to program for Monday afternoon. They frown upon it because that takes people out of the main room but the ALAC and other WGs have staged meetings on Monday afternoon with little interference. One of the problems is that by killing Fridays the week has become shorter and with the Thursday circus Thursday is now dead. With Monday risking being filled by the circus too we have Tuesday which is impossible due to Constituency day. But guess what, I'm now told some parts of Constituency day might happen on Wednesday morning too. So Wednesday afternoon? Oh now, that's GNSO wrap up. <sigh>
Olivier
On 05/12/2014 14:41, William Drake wrote:
you can’t program on Monday, they block it out for official stuff they think is more important.
I’d ask for Wednesday morning.
BD
On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Niels ten Oever<niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org> wrote:
Hi Rafik,
You're right. Tuesday is constituency day, so that is ruled out. Can we do Monday afternoon 13:30 - 16:30 ?
I also found in the archives we agreed earlier on a three hour meeting, so let's go for that.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 02:17 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi Niels,
Wednesday afternoon has the GNSO council public meeting and we had such conflict last time.
Rafik
2014-12-05 22:07 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org>>:
On 12/04/2014 06:24 PM, Rafik wrote: > Hi Niels,
Hi Rafik,
> I am not senior within ICANN
Well, at least more senior than me ;)
> but I guess I can help for this.
That's excellent. I think we agreed on a session on Wednesday afternoon, as per Bills proposal. I think two hours would suffice. Three hours seems a but like a an overkill (even though I know we could easily fill it).
What do you people think?
Best,
Niels
> Rafik
> Le 5 Dec 2014 à 02:20, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org> > <mailto:niels@article19.org> > <mailto:niels@article19.org>> a écrit :
> Hi all,
> It seems there is consensus about the text for the session at > ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with this text? All > comments are very welcome.
> _________
> Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
> There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that > some of ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications > for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to > privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such > rights, it would be advisable on political and other grounds to > assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally > agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible > methods for addressing any incompatibilities.
> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case > basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for > starting a process that could address them in a more systemic > manner.
> ________
> What would be the process to request the room? I would be happy > to send some emails, but given the experiences during last ICANN > meeting it might be more effective if someone more senior in the > ICANN hierarchy would send it. > Any takers?
> Thanks in advance,
> Niels
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/09/2014 12:55 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi everyone,
Hi Rafik,
I think we may move to Wednesday morning at 10:00. the GAC-board meeting is from 8:30 to 9:30. We are still discussing about timing for CCWG on IG meeting.
I also strongly advise for 2 hours session only.
OK, sounds good and feasible. I would be happy if we can do it from 10:00 up to 12:30 though, there's so much to discuss. But I'll leave it to the group and Rafiks intuition.
what I need as input: - session description , title and tentative agenda (which will be online)
Title: Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation Description: There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on political and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities. To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that could address them in a more systemic manner. Tentative agenda: 1. Introductions by facilitator (Niels ten Oever) - 5 minutes 2. Summary of past discussion (Marilia Maciel) - 10 minutes 3. Short introduction to human rights and its relevance + Q&A (Joy Liddicoat) - 20 minutes 4. Presentation of case study on ICANN and human rights + Q&A (Monika Zalnieriute) 30 minutes 5. Discussion on commencement of a process for a more systemic approach to human rights and ICANN (45 minutes) 6. Summary (10 minutes) 7. Conclusion. (5 minutes) I just made this up (and haven't asked people if they are up for it, even though I think so), so happy to discuss.
• a breakdown of topics to be discussed • a list of speakers/panellists • an explanation of the session’s goals and expected outcomes • hyperlinks to relevant documentation.
Papers are still being developed.
- expected number of attendees
Based on previous meeting: 80
- preferred set-up: u shape, theatre, rounds, board, classroom etc
I prefer U shape since it will be a discussion as well.
I will ask of course of for remote participation and adobe connect. I need to submit the request by 15th Dec finally, I think that is time to move to more substantive discussion to prepare the session.
I hope this helps. Will send a more substantive email about papers after this. Best, Niels
Rafik
2014-12-07 9:53 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat <joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz <mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>:
Hi all and thanks for the suggestions as well - Seems Wednesday at 9.30 may be least worst option .... Perhaps we should also be willing to consider a slightly shorter session if that helps with scheduling (eg to reduce to 2 or 2.5 hours) Joy
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Hi all,
For your reference, the ICANN51 schedule: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full
Monday afternoon is risky because it might overlap with ICANN accountability discussions, updates on new gTLDs, etc.
Wednesday morning is risky because of the CCWG on Internet Governance. But since the latter is from 8:30 - 9:45, if we start at 9:30, we should be OK with a slow start. Will you keep the same time for Singapore for this workshop Bill ?
If so, I'd go for Wednesday morning.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 04:06 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi,
I meant checking quickly if there are other sessions (e.g. checking schedules in previous ICANN meetings or if someone is aware about new session) to mitigate risks of clashes, after submission we cannot request changes.
Rafik
2014-12-05 23:39 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>>:
Yes, I meant Wednesday. Thanks for the correction Niels. Although Olivier mentioned that Monday afternoon is not blocked..
Considering the meeting will always clash with something else, a 3-hour session could be strategic to allow people to join us at some moment. We could even explicitly divide the session in "part 1" and "part 2", so people that could come (although late) do not feel they missed too much and still feel encouraged to attend. Of course, this is besides the fact that we do have a lot of substantive topics to discuss. I understand Rafik´s point, but maybe we should try to push for the three hours.
Rafik, do you suggest we wait to book the room, so we coordinate with other sessions being scheduled? Isn´t it dangerous in terms of securing a room for us? I think it is better to have it scheduled as soon as possible. If something substantial changes on the agenda we re-evaluate.
Best,
Marília
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Hi ,
I think we should see the different SO/AC sessions ( we have also the CCWG on IG session too!) and find some possible time slot.
3 hours is long and not necessarily easy to secure room (while we could do that in London for a different topic , not sure we can reiterate that).
Rafik
2014-12-05 22:59 GMT+09:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com> <mailto:ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>>>:
Hello all,
it is possible to program for Monday afternoon. They frown upon it because that takes people out of the main room but the ALAC and other WGs have staged meetings on Monday afternoon with little interference. One of the problems is that by killing Fridays the week has become shorter and with the Thursday circus Thursday is now dead. With Monday risking being filled by the circus too we have Tuesday which is impossible due to Constituency day. But guess what, I'm now told some parts of Constituency day might happen on Wednesday morning too. So Wednesday afternoon? Oh now, that's GNSO wrap up. <sigh>
Olivier
On 05/12/2014 14:41, William Drake wrote:
you can’t program on Monday, they block it out for official stuff they think is more important.
I’d ask for Wednesday morning.
BD
On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Niels ten Oever<niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> wrote:
Hi Rafik,
You're right. Tuesday is constituency day, so that is ruled out. Can we do Monday afternoon 13:30 - 16:30 ?
I also found in the archives we agreed earlier on a three hour meeting, so let's go for that.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 02:17 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi Niels,
Wednesday afternoon has the GNSO council public meeting and we had such conflict last time.
Rafik
2014-12-05 22:07 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>>>:
On 12/04/2014 06:24 PM, Rafik wrote: > Hi Niels,
Hi Rafik,
> I am not senior within ICANN
Well, at least more senior than me ;)
> but I guess I can help for this.
That's excellent. I think we agreed on a session on Wednesday afternoon, as per Bills proposal. I think two hours would suffice. Three hours seems a but like a an overkill (even though I know we could easily fill it).
What do you people think?
Best,
Niels
> Rafik
> Le 5 Dec 2014 à 02:20, Niels ten Oever > <niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> > <mailto:niels@article19.org > <mailto:niels@article19.org>> > <mailto:niels@article19.org > <mailto:niels@article19.org>>> a écrit :
> Hi all,
> It seems there is consensus about the text for the > session at ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with > this text? All comments are very welcome.
> _________
> Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
> There is a growing recognition in parts of the > community that some of ICANN’s policies and other > actions may have implications for human rights like > freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While > ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, > it would be advisable on political and other grounds > to assess whether our work is fully consistent with > internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, > and to identify possible methods for addressing any > incompatibilities.
> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by > case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider > options for starting a process that could address them > in a more systemic manner.
> ________
> What would be the process to request the room? I would > be happy to send some emails, but given the experiences > during last ICANN meeting it might be more effective if > someone more senior in the ICANN hierarchy would send > it. Any takers?
> Thanks in advance,
> Niels
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Hi Niels and everyone, things are getting complicated since ICANN meetings team are putting as upper limit of 90min to sessions. I am trying to find some workaround to get more time but I cannot guarantee anything. I will work with Jean-Jacques how we can proceed here. Thanks for the info, stay tuned. Rafik 2014-12-10 8:13 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org>:
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On 12/09/2014 12:55 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi everyone,
Hi Rafik,
I think we may move to Wednesday morning at 10:00. the GAC-board meeting is from 8:30 to 9:30. We are still discussing about timing for CCWG on IG meeting.
I also strongly advise for 2 hours session only.
OK, sounds good and feasible. I would be happy if we can do it from 10:00 up to 12:30 though, there's so much to discuss. But I'll leave it to the group and Rafiks intuition.
what I need as input: - session description , title and tentative agenda (which will be online)
Title: Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
Description:
There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on political and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities.
To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that could address them in a more systemic manner.
Tentative agenda:
1. Introductions by facilitator (Niels ten Oever) - 5 minutes 2. Summary of past discussion (Marilia Maciel) - 10 minutes 3. Short introduction to human rights and its relevance + Q&A (Joy Liddicoat) - 20 minutes 4. Presentation of case study on ICANN and human rights + Q&A (Monika Zalnieriute) 30 minutes 5. Discussion on commencement of a process for a more systemic approach to human rights and ICANN (45 minutes) 6. Summary (10 minutes) 7. Conclusion. (5 minutes)
I just made this up (and haven't asked people if they are up for it, even though I think so), so happy to discuss.
• a breakdown of topics to be discussed • a list of speakers/panellists • an explanation of the session’s goals and expected outcomes • hyperlinks to relevant documentation.
Papers are still being developed.
- expected number of attendees
Based on previous meeting: 80
- preferred set-up: u shape, theatre, rounds, board, classroom etc
I prefer U shape since it will be a discussion as well.
I will ask of course of for remote participation and adobe connect. I need to submit the request by 15th Dec finally, I think that is time to move to more substantive discussion to prepare the session.
I hope this helps. Will send a more substantive email about papers after this.
Best,
Niels
Rafik
2014-12-07 9:53 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat <joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz <mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>:
Hi all and thanks for the suggestions as well - Seems Wednesday at 9.30 may be least worst option .... Perhaps we should also be willing to consider a slightly shorter session if that helps with scheduling (eg to reduce to 2 or 2.5 hours) Joy
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Hi all,
For your reference, the ICANN51 schedule: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full
Monday afternoon is risky because it might overlap with ICANN accountability discussions, updates on new gTLDs, etc.
Wednesday morning is risky because of the CCWG on Internet Governance. But since the latter is from 8:30 - 9:45, if we start at 9:30, we should be OK with a slow start. Will you keep the same time for Singapore for this workshop Bill ?
If so, I'd go for Wednesday morning.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 04:06 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi,
I meant checking quickly if there are other sessions (e.g. checking schedules in previous ICANN meetings or if someone is aware about new session) to mitigate risks of clashes, after submission we cannot request changes.
Rafik
2014-12-05 23:39 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>>:
Yes, I meant Wednesday. Thanks for the correction Niels. Although Olivier mentioned that Monday afternoon is not blocked..
Considering the meeting will always clash with something else, a 3-hour session could be strategic to allow people to join us at some moment. We could even explicitly divide the session in "part 1" and "part 2", so people that could come (although late) do not feel they missed too much and still feel encouraged to attend. Of course, this is besides the fact that we do have a lot of substantive topics to discuss. I understand Rafik´s point, but maybe we should try to push for the three hours.
Rafik, do you suggest we wait to book the room, so we coordinate with other sessions being scheduled? Isn´t it dangerous in terms of securing a room for us? I think it is better to have it scheduled as soon as possible. If something substantial changes on the agenda we re-evaluate.
Best,
Marília
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Hi ,
I think we should see the different SO/AC sessions ( we have also the CCWG on IG session too!) and find some possible time slot.
3 hours is long and not necessarily easy to secure room (while we could do that in London for a different topic , not sure we can reiterate that).
Rafik
2014-12-05 22:59 GMT+09:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com> <mailto:ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>>>:
Hello all,
it is possible to program for Monday afternoon. They frown upon it because that takes people out of the main room but the ALAC and other WGs have staged meetings on Monday afternoon with little interference. One of the problems is that by killing Fridays the week has become shorter and with the Thursday circus Thursday is now dead. With Monday risking being filled by the circus too we have Tuesday which is impossible due to Constituency day. But guess what, I'm now told some parts of Constituency day might happen on Wednesday morning too. So Wednesday afternoon? Oh now, that's GNSO wrap up. <sigh>
Olivier
On 05/12/2014 14:41, William Drake wrote:
you can’t program on Monday, they block it out for official stuff they think is more important.
I’d ask for Wednesday morning.
BD
On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Niels ten Oever<niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> wrote:
Hi Rafik,
You're right. Tuesday is constituency day, so that is ruled out. Can we do Monday afternoon 13:30 - 16:30 ?
I also found in the archives we agreed earlier on a three hour meeting, so let's go for that.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 02:17 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Niels, > > Wednesday afternoon has the GNSO council public meeting > and we had such conflict last time. > > Rafik > > 2014-12-05 22:07 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> > <mailto:niels@article19.org > <mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org > <mailto:niels@article19.org>>>: > > > On 12/04/2014 06:24 PM, Rafik wrote: >> Hi Niels, > > > Hi Rafik, > >> I am not senior within ICANN > > Well, at least more senior than me ;) > >> but I guess I can help for this. > > That's excellent. I think we agreed on a session on > Wednesday afternoon, as per Bills proposal. I think two > hours would suffice. > Three hours seems a but like a an overkill (even though I > know we could easily fill it). > > What do you people think? > > Best, > > Niels > >> Rafik > > > >> Le 5 Dec 2014 à 02:20, Niels ten Oever >> <niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> >> <mailto:niels@article19.org >> <mailto:niels@article19.org>> >> <mailto:niels@article19.org >> <mailto:niels@article19.org>>> a écrit : > >> Hi all, > >> It seems there is consensus about the text for the >> session at ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with >> this text? All comments are very welcome. > >> _________ > >> Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation > >> There is a growing recognition in parts of the >> community that some of ICANN’s policies and other >> actions may have implications for human rights like >> freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While >> ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, >> it would be advisable on political and other grounds >> to assess whether our work is fully consistent with >> internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, >> and to identify possible methods for addressing any >> incompatibilities. > >> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by >> case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider >> options for starting a process that could address them >> in a more systemic manner. > >> ________ > >> What would be the process to request the room? I would >> be happy to send some emails, but given the experiences >> during last ICANN meeting it might be more effective if >> someone more senior in the ICANN hierarchy would send >> it. Any takers? > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Niels > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> cc-humanrights mailing listcc-humanrights@icann.org <mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org> <mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org <mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org>> >>> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org >>> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org>> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org>> >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights > > >
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Hi Rafik, Could we also go for part 1 and part 2 (so two sessions). In part 1 we could discuss specific impacts of ICANN of human rights, In part 2 we could discuss different approaches and solutions, perhaps already talk a bit about the charter? Just a thought. Good luck! Best, Niels Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Niels and everyone, things are getting complicated since ICANN meetings team are putting as upper limit of 90min to sessions. I am trying to find some workaround to get more time but I cannot guarantee anything. I will work with Jean-Jacques how we can proceed here. Thanks for the info, stay tuned. Rafik 2014-12-10 8:13 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/09/2014 12:55 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi everyone,
Hi Rafik,
I think we may move to Wednesday morning at 10:00. the GAC-board meeting is from 8:30 to 9:30. We are still discussing about timing for CCWG on IG meeting.
I also strongly advise for 2 hours session only.
OK, sounds good and feasible. I would be happy if we can do it from 10:00 up to 12:30 though, there's so much to discuss. But I'll leave it to the group and Rafiks intuition.
what I need as input: - session description , title and tentative agenda (which will be online)
Title: Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation Description: There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on political and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities. To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that could address them in a more systemic manner. Tentative agenda: 1. Introductions by facilitator (Niels ten Oever) - 5 minutes 2. Summary of past discussion (Marilia Maciel) - 10 minutes 3. Short introduction to human rights and its relevance + Q&A (Joy Liddicoat) - 20 minutes 4. Presentation of case study on ICANN and human rights + Q&A (Monika Zalnieriute) 30 minutes 5. Discussion on commencement of a process for a more systemic approach to human rights and ICANN (45 minutes) 6. Summary (10 minutes) 7. Conclusion. (5 minutes) I just made this up (and haven't asked people if they are up for it, even though I think so), so happy to discuss.
• a breakdown of topics to be discussed • a list of speakers/panellists • an explanation of the session’s goals and expected outcomes • hyperlinks to relevant documentation.
Papers are still being developed.
- expected number of attendees
Based on previous meeting: 80
- preferred set-up: u shape, theatre, rounds, board, classroom etc
I prefer U shape since it will be a discussion as well.
I will ask of course of for remote participation and adobe connect. I need to submit the request by 15th Dec finally, I think that is time to move to more substantive discussion to prepare the session.
I hope this helps. Will send a more substantive email about papers after this. Best, Niels
Rafik
2014-12-07 9:53 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat <joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz<mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz> <mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz<mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>>:
Hi all and thanks for the suggestions as well - Seems Wednesday at 9.30 may be least worst option .... Perhaps we should also be willing to consider a slightly shorter session if that helps with scheduling (eg to reduce to 2 or 2.5 hours) Joy
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Hi all,
For your reference, the ICANN51 schedule: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full
Monday afternoon is risky because it might overlap with ICANN accountability discussions, updates on new gTLDs, etc.
Wednesday morning is risky because of the CCWG on Internet Governance. But since the latter is from 8:30 - 9:45, if we start at 9:30, we should be OK with a slow start. Will you keep the same time for Singapore for this workshop Bill ?
If so, I'd go for Wednesday morning.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 04:06 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi,
I meant checking quickly if there are other sessions (e.g. checking schedules in previous ICANN meetings or if someone is aware about new session) to mitigate risks of clashes, after submission we cannot request changes.
Rafik
2014-12-05 23:39 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>>>:
Yes, I meant Wednesday. Thanks for the correction Niels. Although Olivier mentioned that Monday afternoon is not blocked..
Considering the meeting will always clash with something else, a 3-hour session could be strategic to allow people to join us at some moment. We could even explicitly divide the session in "part 1" and "part 2", so people that could come (although late) do not feel they missed too much and still feel encouraged to attend. Of course, this is besides the fact that we do have a lot of substantive topics to discuss. I understand Rafik´s point, but maybe we should try to push for the three hours.
Rafik, do you suggest we wait to book the room, so we coordinate with other sessions being scheduled? Isn´t it dangerous in terms of securing a room for us? I think it is better to have it scheduled as soon as possible. If something substantial changes on the agenda we re-evaluate.
Best,
Marília
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
Hi ,
I think we should see the different SO/AC sessions ( we have also the CCWG on IG session too!) and find some possible time slot.
3 hours is long and not necessarily easy to secure room (while we could do that in London for a different topic , not sure we can reiterate that).
Rafik
2014-12-05 22:59 GMT+09:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <mailto:ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>> <mailto:ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <mailto:ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>>>>:
Hello all,
it is possible to program for Monday afternoon. They frown upon it because that takes people out of the main room but the ALAC and other WGs have staged meetings on Monday afternoon with little interference. One of the problems is that by killing Fridays the week has become shorter and with the Thursday circus Thursday is now dead. With Monday risking being filled by the circus too we have Tuesday which is impossible due to Constituency day. But guess what, I'm now told some parts of Constituency day might happen on Wednesday morning too. So Wednesday afternoon? Oh now, that's GNSO wrap up. <sigh>
Olivier
On 05/12/2014 14:41, William Drake wrote:
you can’t program on Monday, they block it out for official stuff they think is more important.
I’d ask for Wednesday morning.
BD
On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Niels ten Oever<niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> wrote:
Hi Rafik,
You're right. Tuesday is constituency day, so that is ruled out. Can we do Monday afternoon 13:30 - 16:30 ?
I also found in the archives we agreed earlier on a three hour meeting, so let's go for that.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 02:17 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi Niels,
Wednesday afternoon has the GNSO council public meeting and we had such conflict last time.
Rafik
2014-12-05 22:07 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>>>:
On 12/04/2014 06:24 PM, Rafik wrote: > Hi Niels,
Hi Rafik,
> I am not senior within ICANN
Well, at least more senior than me ;)
> but I guess I can help for this.
That's excellent. I think we agreed on a session on Wednesday afternoon, as per Bills proposal. I think two hours would suffice. Three hours seems a but like a an overkill (even though I know we could easily fill it).
What do you people think?
Best,
Niels
> Rafik
> Le 5 Dec 2014 à 02:20, Niels ten Oever > <niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>>> a écrit :
> Hi all,
> It seems there is consensus about the text for the > session at ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with > this text? All comments are very welcome.
> _________
> Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
> There is a growing recognition in parts of the > community that some of ICANN’s policies and other > actions may have implications for human rights like > freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While > ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, > it would be advisable on political and other grounds > to assess whether our work is fully consistent with > internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, > and to identify possible methods for addressing any > incompatibilities.
> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by > case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider > options for starting a process that could address them > in a more systemic manner.
> ________
> What would be the process to request the room? I would > be happy to send some emails, but given the experiences > during last ICANN meeting it might be more effective if > someone more senior in the ICANN hierarchy would send > it. Any takers?
> Thanks in advance,
> Niels
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Hi Niels - good ideas including to have 2 part session if needed - some minor tweaks to the session outline below Joy -----Original Message----- From: cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Niels ten Oever Sent: Thursday, 11 December 2014 6:38 a.m. To: Rafik Dammak Cc: Jean-Jacques Sahel; marilia.maciel@fgv.br; moni >> Zalnieriute, Monika; Human Rights Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description Hi Rafik, Could we also go for part 1 and part 2 (so two sessions). In part 1 we could discuss specific impacts of ICANN of human rights, In part 2 we could discuss different approaches and solutions, perhaps already talk a bit about the charter? Just a thought. Good luck! Best, Niels Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Niels and everyone, things are getting complicated since ICANN meetings team are putting as upper limit of 90min to sessions. I am trying to find some workaround to get more time but I cannot guarantee anything. I will work with Jean-Jacques how we can proceed here. Thanks for the info, stay tuned. Rafik 2014-12-10 8:13 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/09/2014 12:55 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi everyone,
Hi Rafik,
I think we may move to Wednesday morning at 10:00. the GAC-board meeting is from 8:30 to 9:30. We are still discussing about timing for CCWG on IG meeting.
I also strongly advise for 2 hours session only.
OK, sounds good and feasible. I would be happy if we can do it from 10:00 up to 12:30 though, there's so much to discuss. But I'll leave it to the group and Rafiks intuition.
what I need as input: - session description , title and tentative agenda (which will be online)
Title: Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation Description: There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of ICANNs policies and other actions may have implications for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on Insert "technical, legal " delete "political" and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities. To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that could address them in a more systemic manner. Tentative agenda: 1. Introductions by facilitator (Niels ten Oever) - 5 minutes 2. Summary of past discussion (Marilia Maciel) - 10 minutes 3. Short introduction to human rights and its relevance + Q&A (Joy Liddicoat) - 20 minutes 4. Presentation of case study on ICANN and human rights + Q&A (Monika Zalnieriute) 30 minutes 5. Discussion on commencement of a process for a more systemic approach to human rights and ICANN (45 minutes) 6. Summary (10 minutes) 7. Conclusion. (5 minutes) I just made this up (and haven't asked people if they are up for it, even though I think so), so happy to discuss.
a breakdown of topics to be discussed a list of speakers/panellists an explanation of the sessions goals and expected outcomes hyperlinks to relevant documentation.
Papers are still being developed.
- expected number of attendees
Based on previous meeting: 80
- preferred set-up: u shape, theatre, rounds, board, classroom etc
I prefer U shape since it will be a discussion as well.
I will ask of course of for remote participation and adobe connect. I need to submit the request by 15th Dec finally, I think that is time to move to more substantive discussion to prepare the session.
I hope this helps. Will send a more substantive email about papers after this. Best, Niels
Rafik
2014-12-07 9:53 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat <joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz<mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz> <mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz<mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>>:
Hi all and thanks for the suggestions as well - Seems Wednesday at 9.30 may be least worst option .... Perhaps we should also be willing to consider a slightly shorter session if that helps with scheduling (eg to reduce to 2 or 2.5 hours) Joy
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Oever Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014 4:13 a.m. To: Rafik Dammak; Marilia Maciel Cc: Human Rights Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description
Hi all,
For your reference, the ICANN51 schedule: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full
Monday afternoon is risky because it might overlap with ICANN accountability discussions, updates on new gTLDs, etc.
Wednesday morning is risky because of the CCWG on Internet Governance. But since the latter is from 8:30 - 9:45, if we start at 9:30, we should be OK with a slow start. Will you keep the same time for Singapore for this workshop Bill ?
If so, I'd go for Wednesday morning.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 04:06 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi,
I meant checking quickly if there are other sessions (e.g. checking schedules in previous ICANN meetings or if someone is aware about new session) to mitigate risks of clashes, after submission we cannot request changes.
Rafik
2014-12-05 23:39 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>>>:
Yes, I meant Wednesday. Thanks for the correction Niels. Although Olivier mentioned that Monday afternoon is not blocked..
Considering the meeting will always clash with something else, a 3-hour session could be strategic to allow people to join us at some moment. We could even explicitly divide the session in "part 1" and "part 2", so people that could come (although late) do not feel they missed too much and still feel encouraged to attend. Of course, this is besides the fact that we do have a lot of substantive topics to discuss. I understand Rafik´s point, but maybe we should try to push for the three hours.
Rafik, do you suggest we wait to book the room, so we coordinate with other sessions being scheduled? Isn´t it dangerous in terms of securing a room for us? I think it is better to have it scheduled as soon as possible. If something substantial changes on the agenda we re-evaluate.
Best,
Marília
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
Hi ,
I think we should see the different SO/AC sessions ( we have also the CCWG on IG session too!) and find some possible time slot.
3 hours is long and not necessarily easy to secure room (while we could do that in London for a different topic , not sure we can reiterate that).
Rafik
2014-12-05 22:59 GMT+09:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <mailto:ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>> <mailto:ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <mailto:ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>>>>:
Hello all,
it is possible to program for Monday afternoon. They frown upon it because that takes people out of the main room but the ALAC and other WGs have staged meetings on Monday afternoon with little interference. One of the problems is that by killing Fridays the week has become shorter and with the Thursday circus Thursday is now dead. With Monday risking being filled by the circus too we have Tuesday which is impossible due to Constituency day. But guess what, I'm now told some parts of Constituency day might happen on Wednesday morning too. So Wednesday afternoon? Oh now, that's GNSO wrap up. <sigh>
Olivier
On 05/12/2014 14:41, William Drake wrote:
you cant program on Monday, they block it out for official stuff they think is more important.
Id ask for Wednesday morning.
BD
On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Niels ten Oever<niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> wrote:
Hi Rafik,
You're right. Tuesday is constituency day, so that is ruled out. Can we do Monday afternoon 13:30 - 16:30 ?
I also found in the archives we agreed earlier on a three hour meeting, so let's go for that.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 02:17 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi Niels,
Wednesday afternoon has the GNSO council public meeting and we had such conflict last time.
Rafik
2014-12-05 22:07 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>>>:
On 12/04/2014 06:24 PM, Rafik wrote: > Hi Niels,
Hi Rafik,
> I am not senior within ICANN
Well, at least more senior than me ;)
> but I guess I can help for this.
That's excellent. I think we agreed on a session on Wednesday afternoon, as per Bills proposal. I think two hours would suffice. Three hours seems a but like a an overkill (even though I know we could easily fill it).
What do you people think?
Best,
Niels
> Rafik
> Le 5 Dec 2014 à 02:20, Niels ten Oever > <niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>>> a écrit :
> Hi all,
> It seems there is consensus about the text for the > session at ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with > this text? All comments are very welcome.
> _________
> Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
> There is a growing recognition in parts of the > community that some of ICANNs policies and other > actions may have implications for human rights like > freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While > ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, > it would be advisable on political and other grounds > to assess whether our work is fully consistent with > internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, > and to identify possible methods for addressing any > incompatibilities.
> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by > case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider > options for starting a process that could address them > in a more systemic manner.
> ________
> What would be the process to request the room? I would > be happy to send some emails, but given the experiences > during last ICANN meeting it might be more effective if > someone more senior in the ICANN hierarchy would send > it. Any takers?
> Thanks in advance,
> Niels
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Sounds good, I am working on my long overdue promised summary paper for the Monika report. Coming soon with apologies for lengthy delay... Stephanie On 14-12-10 4:05 PM, Joy Liddicoat wrote:
Hi Niels - good ideas including to have 2 part session if needed - some minor tweaks to the session outline below
Joy
-----Original Message----- From: cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Niels ten Oever Sent: Thursday, 11 December 2014 6:38 a.m. To: Rafik Dammak Cc: Jean-Jacques Sahel; marilia.maciel@fgv.br; moni >> Zalnieriute, Monika; Human Rights Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description
Hi Rafik,
Could we also go for part 1 and part 2 (so two sessions).
In part 1 we could discuss specific impacts of ICANN of human rights,
In part 2 we could discuss different approaches and solutions, perhaps already talk a bit about the charter?
Just a thought.
Good luck!
Best,
Niels
Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Niels and everyone,
things are getting complicated since ICANN meetings team are putting as upper limit of 90min to sessions. I am trying to find some workaround to get more time but I cannot guarantee anything. I will work with Jean-Jacques how we can proceed here. Thanks for the info, stay tuned.
Rafik
2014-12-10 8:13 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
On 12/09/2014 12:55 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi everyone, Hi Rafik,
I think we may move to Wednesday morning at 10:00. the GAC-board meeting is from 8:30 to 9:30. We are still discussing about timing for CCWG on IG meeting.
I also strongly advise for 2 hours session only.
OK, sounds good and feasible. I would be happy if we can do it from 10:00 up to 12:30 though, there's so much to discuss. But I'll leave it to the group and Rafiks intuition.
what I need as input: - session description , title and tentative agenda (which will be online)
Title: Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
Description:
There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of ICANN's policies and other actions may have implications for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on Insert "technical, legal " delete "political" and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities.
To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that could address them in a more systemic manner.
Tentative agenda:
1. Introductions by facilitator (Niels ten Oever) - 5 minutes 2. Summary of past discussion (Marilia Maciel) - 10 minutes 3. Short introduction to human rights and its relevance + Q&A (Joy Liddicoat) - 20 minutes 4. Presentation of case study on ICANN and human rights + Q&A (Monika Zalnieriute) 30 minutes 5. Discussion on commencement of a process for a more systemic approach to human rights and ICANN (45 minutes) 6. Summary (10 minutes) 7. Conclusion. (5 minutes)
I just made this up (and haven't asked people if they are up for it, even though I think so), so happy to discuss.
. a breakdown of topics to be discussed . a list of speakers/panellists . an explanation of the session's goals and expected outcomes . hyperlinks to relevant documentation.
Papers are still being developed.
- expected number of attendees Based on previous meeting: 80
- preferred set-up: u shape, theatre, rounds, board, classroom etc I prefer U shape since it will be a discussion as well.
I will ask of course of for remote participation and adobe connect. I need to submit the request by 15th Dec finally, I think that is time to move to more substantive discussion to prepare the session.
I hope this helps. Will send a more substantive email about papers after this.
Best,
Niels
Rafik
2014-12-07 9:53 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat <joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz<mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz> <mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz<mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>>:
Hi all and thanks for the suggestions as well - Seems Wednesday at 9.30 may be least worst option .... Perhaps we should also be willing to consider a slightly shorter session if that helps with scheduling (eg to reduce to 2 or 2.5 hours) Joy
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Hi all,
For your reference, the ICANN51 schedule: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full
Monday afternoon is risky because it might overlap with ICANN accountability discussions, updates on new gTLDs, etc.
Wednesday morning is risky because of the CCWG on Internet Governance. But since the latter is from 8:30 - 9:45, if we start at 9:30, we should be OK with a slow start. Will you keep the same time for Singapore for this workshop Bill ?
If so, I'd go for Wednesday morning.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 04:06 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi, I meant checking quickly if there are other sessions (e.g. checking schedules in previous ICANN meetings or if someone is aware about new session) to mitigate risks of clashes, after submission we cannot request changes. Rafik 2014-12-05 23:39 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>>>: Yes, I meant Wednesday. Thanks for the correction Niels. Although Olivier mentioned that Monday afternoon is not blocked.. Considering the meeting will always clash with something else, a 3-hour session could be strategic to allow people to join us at some moment. We could even explicitly divide the session in "part 1" and "part 2", so people that could come (although late) do not feel they missed too much and still feel encouraged to attend. Of course, this is besides the fact that we do have a lot of substantive topics to discuss. I understand Rafik´s point, but maybe we should try to push for the three hours. Rafik, do you suggest we wait to book the room, so we coordinate with other sessions being scheduled? Isn´t it dangerous in terms of securing a room for us? I think it is better to have it scheduled as soon as possible. If something substantial changes on the agenda we re-evaluate. Best, Marília On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>>> wrote: Hi , I think we should see the different SO/AC sessions ( we have also the CCWG on IG session too!) and find some possible time slot. 3 hours is long and not necessarily easy to secure room (while we could do that in London for a different topic , not sure we can reiterate that). Rafik 2014-12-05 22:59 GMT+09:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <mailto:ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>> <mailto:ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <mailto:ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>>>>: Hello all, it is possible to program for Monday afternoon. They frown upon it because that takes people out of the main room but the ALAC and other WGs have staged meetings on Monday afternoon with little interference. One of the problems is that by killing Fridays the week has become shorter and with the Thursday circus Thursday is now dead. With Monday risking being filled by the circus too we have Tuesday which is impossible due to Constituency day. But guess what, I'm now told some parts of Constituency day might happen on Wednesday morning too. So Wednesday afternoon? Oh now, that's GNSO wrap up. <sigh> Olivier
On 05/12/2014 14:41, William Drake wrote:
you can't program on Monday, they block it out for official stuff they think is more important.
I'd ask for Wednesday morning.
BD
On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Niels ten Oever<niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> wrote:
Hi Rafik,
You're right. Tuesday is constituency day, so that is ruled out. Can we do Monday afternoon 13:30 - 16:30 ?
I also found in the archives we agreed earlier on a three hour meeting, so let's go for that.
Best,
Niels
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On 12/05/2014 02:17 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Niels, > > Wednesday afternoon has the GNSO council public meeting > and we had such conflict last time. > > Rafik > > 2014-12-05 22:07 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> > <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>>>: > > > On 12/04/2014 06:24 PM, Rafik wrote: >> Hi Niels, > > Hi Rafik, > >> I am not senior within ICANN > Well, at least more senior than me ;) > >> but I guess I can help for this. > That's excellent. I think we agreed on a session on > Wednesday afternoon, as per Bills proposal. I think two > hours would suffice. > Three hours seems a but like a an overkill (even though I > know we could easily fill it). > > What do you people think? > > Best, > > Niels > >> Rafik > > >> Le 5 Dec 2014 à 02:20, Niels ten Oever >> <niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> >> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> >> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>> >> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org> >> <mailto:niels@article19.org<mailto:niels@article19.org>>>> a écrit : >> Hi all, >> It seems there is consensus about the text for the >> session at ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with >> this text? All comments are very welcome. >> _________ >> Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation >> There is a growing recognition in parts of the >> community that some of ICANN's policies and other >> actions may have implications for human rights like >> freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While >> ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, >> it would be advisable on political and other grounds >> to assess whether our work is fully consistent with >> internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, >> and to identify possible methods for addressing any >> incompatibilities. >> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by >> case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider >> options for starting a process that could address them >> in a more systemic manner. >> ________ >> What would be the process to request the room? I would >> be happy to send some emails, but given the experiences >> during last ICANN meeting it might be more effective if >> someone more senior in the ICANN hierarchy would send >> it. Any takers? >> Thanks in advance, >> Niels > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> cc-humanrights mailing listcc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org> <mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org>> <mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org> <mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org>>> >>> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> >>> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org>>> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org>>> >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights > >
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Joy Liddicoat -
Niels ten Oever -
Rafik Dammak -
Stephanie Perrin