Fwd: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter
For comment and discussion. Cheers, Chris Disspain CEO - auDA Sent from my phone Begin forwarded message:
From: "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> Date: 10 March 2010 23:50:27 AEDT To: "'Chris Disspain'" <ceo@auda.org.au> Subject: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter
I may have gotten a little carried away.
As an aside, Rod’s comments about contributions and vulnerability of the DNS have already been picked up by tech media.
http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voi... - 90% of ICANN contributions come from Nth America
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail... "The DNS is under attack today more than ever before, the number and complexity of attacks have risen and ICANN relies on governments and other stakeholders to preserve the DNS" – in an article on trade marks and new gTLDs.
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I would add somewhere that it is hard to understand why a matter of such high and urgent importance was not even mentioned by the CEO when he met with the ccNSO members Meeting yesterday. Patricio Chris Disspain wrote:
For comment and discussion.
Cheers,
Chris Disspain CEO - auDA Sent from my phone
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*From:* "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au <mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au>> *Date:* 10 March 2010 23:50:27 AEDT *To:* "'Chris Disspain'" <ceo@auda.org.au <mailto:ceo@auda.org.au>> *Subject:* *ccNSO to ICANN Board letter *
I may have gotten a little carried away.
As an aside, Rod’s comments about contributions and vulnerability of the DNS have already been picked up by tech media.
http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voi... - 90% of ICANN contributions come from Nth America
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail... "The DNS is under attack today more than ever before, the number and complexity of attacks have risen and ICANN relies on governments and other stakeholders to preserve the DNS" – in an article on trademarks and new gTLDs.
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Where it says: "Our concerns lie not with Mr Beckstrom's focus on security issues, but with the manner in which these concerns have been communicated." It appears to me that we are recognizing the (supposedly critical) status of the DNS, so I recommend to change that and say: "Our concerns lie not with Mr Beckstrom's focus on security issues, but with the precipitated unilateral analysis in such a relevant issue and the manner in which these concerns have been communicated." Oscar ________________________________ From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Chris Disspain Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:54 AM To: Council ccNSO Subject: [ccnso-council] Fwd: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter For comment and discussion. Cheers, Chris Disspain CEO - auDA Sent from my phone Begin forwarded message: From: "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au<mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au>> Date: 10 March 2010 23:50:27 AEDT To: "'Chris Disspain'" <ceo@auda.org.au<mailto:ceo@auda.org.au>> Subject: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter I may have gotten a little carried away. As an aside, Rod's comments about contributions and vulnerability of the DNS have already been picked up by tech media. <http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voice-icann>http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voice-icann - 90% of ICANN contributions come from Nth America <http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail_new_gTLDs_at_ICANN_meeting?taxonomyId=11>http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail_new_gTLDs_at_ICANN_meeting?taxonomyId=11 "The DNS is under attack today more than ever before, the number and complexity of attacks have risen and ICANN relies on governments and other stakeholders to preserve the DNS" - in an article on trademarks and new gTLDs. Paul Szyndler | Public Affairs Officer .au Domain Administration Limited T: +61 (2) 6292 5034 | F: +61 3 8341 4112 | M: +61 402 250 389 E: paul.szyndler@auda.org.au<mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> | W: www.auda.org.au<http://www.auda.org.au/> auDA - Australia's Domain Name Administrator Important Notice This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4931 (20100310) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. <http://www.eset.com>http://www.eset.com
I concur with all already commented. In addition, not just referring to his specific action this time, I'd like to see a sentence such as : In the future, we'd like to observe more carefulness of influential people in making this kind of statements/actions that need substantial analysis and cautious steps to get people notified and involved without unnecessary confusion or trouble. Hiro On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:48:03 -0600 "Oscar A. Robles-Garay" <orobles@nic.mx> wrote:
Where it says:
"Our concerns lie not with Mr Beckstrom's focus on security issues, but with the manner in which these concerns have been communicated."
It appears to me that we are recognizing the (supposedly critical) status of the DNS, so I recommend to change that and say:
"Our concerns lie not with Mr Beckstrom's focus on security issues, but with the precipitated unilateral analysis in such a relevant issue and the manner in which these concerns have been communicated."
Oscar
________________________________ From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Chris Disspain Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:54 AM To: Council ccNSO Subject: [ccnso-council] Fwd: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter
For comment and discussion.
Cheers,
Chris Disspain CEO - auDA Sent from my phone
Begin forwarded message: From: "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au<mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au>> Date: 10 March 2010 23:50:27 AEDT To: "'Chris Disspain'" <ceo@auda.org.au<mailto:ceo@auda.org.au>> Subject: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter I may have gotten a little carried away.
As an aside, Rod's comments about contributions and vulnerability of the DNS have already been picked up by tech media.
<http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voice-icann>http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voice-icann - 90% of ICANN contributions come from Nth America
<http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail_new_gTLDs_at_ICANN_meeting?taxonomyId=11>http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail_new_gTLDs_at_ICANN_meeting?taxonomyId=11 "The DNS is under attack today more than ever before, the number and complexity of attacks have risen and ICANN relies on governments and other stakeholders to preserve the DNS" - in an article on trademarks and new gTLDs.
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I agree with Hiro's idea. I also heard some rumours or actually not rumours but second-hand information that there are board members who think exactly this way. Juhani -----Original Message----- From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org on behalf of HiroHOTTA Sent: Wed 10/03/2010 16:10 To: Council ccNSO Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Fwd: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter I concur with all already commented. In addition, not just referring to his specific action this time, I'd like to see a sentence such as : In the future, we'd like to observe more carefulness of influential people in making this kind of statements/actions that need substantial analysis and cautious steps to get people notified and involved without unnecessary confusion or trouble. Hiro On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:48:03 -0600 "Oscar A. Robles-Garay" <orobles@nic.mx> wrote:
Where it says:
"Our concerns lie not with Mr Beckstrom's focus on security issues, but with the manner in which these concerns have been communicated."
It appears to me that we are recognizing the (supposedly critical) status of the DNS, so I recommend to change that and say:
"Our concerns lie not with Mr Beckstrom's focus on security issues, but with the precipitated unilateral analysis in such a relevant issue and the manner in which these concerns have been communicated."
Oscar
________________________________ From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Chris Disspain Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:54 AM To: Council ccNSO Subject: [ccnso-council] Fwd: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter
For comment and discussion.
Cheers,
Chris Disspain CEO - auDA Sent from my phone
Begin forwarded message: From: "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au<mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au>> Date: 10 March 2010 23:50:27 AEDT To: "'Chris Disspain'" <ceo@auda.org.au<mailto:ceo@auda.org.au>> Subject: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter I may have gotten a little carried away.
As an aside, Rod's comments about contributions and vulnerability of the DNS have already been picked up by tech media.
<http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voice-icann>http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voice-icann - 90% of ICANN contributions come from Nth America
<http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail_new_gTLDs_at_ICANN_meeting?taxonomyId=11>http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail_new_gTLDs_at_ICANN_meeting?taxonomyId=11 "The DNS is under attack today more than ever before, the number and complexity of attacks have risen and ICANN relies on governments and other stakeholders to preserve the DNS" - in an article on trademarks and new gTLDs.
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Hi Chris, As discussed at the end of the Council meeting, I agree that the letter should be addressed to Rod directly. It will help focusing more on the fact and less on the man. I also agree with the suggestions made by the Council members and would like to add one more: I believe we need to ask for the underlying facts to be disclosed in a meeting with the ccNSO. If Rod has information that supports his statements (which I guess we should assume) I would find it incredibly careless/negligent not to share this with the potential targets of the attack. “The ccNSO also urges you to share with its Council the underlying facts or studies that led you to make these statements.” Peter From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Chris Disspain Sent: woensdag 10 maart 2010 13:54 To: Council ccNSO Subject: [ccnso-council] Fwd: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter For comment and discussion. Cheers, Chris Disspain CEO - auDA Sent from my phone Begin forwarded message: From: "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> Date: 10 March 2010 23:50:27 AEDT To: "'Chris Disspain'" <ceo@auda.org.au> Subject: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter I may have gotten a little carried away. As an aside, Rod’s comments about contributions and vulnerability of the DNS have already been picked up by tech media. http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voi... - 90% of ICANN contributions come from Nth America http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail... "The DNS is under attack today more than ever before, the number and complexity of attacks have risen and ICANN relies on governments and other stakeholders to preserve the DNS" – in an article on trademarks and new gTLDs. Paul Szyndler | Public Affairs Officer .au Domain Administration Limited T: +61 (2) 6292 5034 | F: +61 3 8341 4112 | M: +61 402 250 389 E: <mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> paul.szyndler@auda.org.au | W: <http://www.auda.org.au/> www.auda.org.au auDA - Australia's Domain Name Administrator Important Notice This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4931 (20100310) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
From what I learned from two different people (Board and Staff) there are no facts, it was a sudden idea from Rod (in Spanish we call it "ocurrencia", not sure what the translation is)
Oscar ________________________________ From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Peter Van Roste Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:32 PM To: 'Chris Disspain'; 'Council ccNSO' Subject: RE: [ccnso-council] Fwd: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter Hi Chris, As discussed at the end of the Council meeting, I agree that the letter should be addressed to Rod directly. It will help focusing more on the fact and less on the man. I also agree with the suggestions made by the Council members and would like to add one more: I believe we need to ask for the underlying facts to be disclosed in a meeting with the ccNSO. If Rod has information that supports his statements (which I guess we should assume) I would find it incredibly careless/negligent not to share this with the potential targets of the attack. "The ccNSO also urges you to share with its Council the underlying facts or studies that led you to make these statements." Peter From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Chris Disspain Sent: woensdag 10 maart 2010 13:54 To: Council ccNSO Subject: [ccnso-council] Fwd: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter For comment and discussion. Cheers, Chris Disspain CEO - auDA Sent from my phone Begin forwarded message: From: "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au<mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au>> Date: 10 March 2010 23:50:27 AEDT To: "'Chris Disspain'" <ceo@auda.org.au<mailto:ceo@auda.org.au>> Subject: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter I may have gotten a little carried away. As an aside, Rod's comments about contributions and vulnerability of the DNS have already been picked up by tech media. http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voi... - 90% of ICANN contributions come from Nth America http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail... "The DNS is under attack today more than ever before, the number and complexity of attacks have risen and ICANN relies on governments and other stakeholders to preserve the DNS" - in an article on trademarks and new gTLDs. Paul Szyndler | Public Affairs Officer .au Domain Administration Limited T: +61 (2) 6292 5034 | F: +61 3 8341 4112 | M: +61 402 250 389 E: paul.szyndler@auda.org.au<mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> | W: www.auda.org.au<http://www.auda.org.au/> auDA - Australia's Domain Name Administrator Important Notice This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4931 (20100310) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Hi Chris, Learning about Rod’s quite concerning statements remotely from Johannesburg is interesting. I don’t undermine the possibility that his intention might have been a noble one of getting government’s attention on the sensitive security matters, but I agree his approach ended up as an unwarranted outburst. If you haven’t submitted the letter, I suggest that somewhere in the last paragraph of our letter we address his statement (in paragraph 4 of his verbatim) that he is planning to write to governments enquiring “...what is happening in the DNS in your countries...”. I would definitely find such a measure as dangerous because as ccTLD managers, we operate either free or substantially free from government’s oversight. To write to government of South Africa asking about .za would appear to me to outrageous, even though .ZADNA has a very positive relationship with the SA government. I suggest therefore that in the last paragraph of our letter we add something along the lines: “As the ccNSO, we would like to bring to the ICANN Board’s attention that Mr. Beckstrom’s intention to write to governments about their DNS asking whether or not such DNS is able to withstand the perceived new levels of attacks, has a potential of compromising the manner in which ccTLD managers in those countries operate. It also has a potential of undermining ongoing ccTLD managers’ efforts of making their DNS more robust and resilient against attacks. We urge that if such measure is to be taken, it first be dealt with through the ccNSO.” As a by-the-way, in my capacity as AfTLD Chairman, I’m concerned that Rod’s efforts are likely to cause ICANN to play in the hands of those who believe the ITU (and not ICANN) should be managing the DNS. It seems to me that most African governments are fonder to the ITU than to ICANN, and some governments might interpret Rod’s statements as an admission that ICANN is not really capable of managing the DNS. My 50 cents.... Regards, Vika Mpisane ZADNA +27 11 275 0082 From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Chris Disspain Sent: 10 March 2010 02:54 PM To: Council ccNSO Subject: [ccnso-council] Fwd: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter For comment and discussion. Cheers, Chris Disspain CEO - auDA Sent from my phone Begin forwarded message: From: "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> Date: 10 March 2010 23:50:27 AEDT To: "'Chris Disspain'" <ceo@auda.org.au> Subject: ccNSO to ICANN Board letter I may have gotten a little carried away. As an aside, Rod’s comments about contributions and vulnerability of the DNS have already been picked up by tech media. http://www.computerworld.co.ke/articles/2010/03/08/africa-must-bring-its-voi... - 90% of ICANN contributions come from Nth America http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168238/Trademark_issues_could_derail... "The DNS is under attack today more than ever before, the number and complexity of attacks have risen and ICANN relies on governments and other stakeholders to preserve the DNS" – in an article on trademarks and new gTLDs. Paul Szyndler | Public Affairs Officer .au Domain Administration Limited T: +61 (2) 6292 5034 | F: +61 3 8341 4112 | M: +61 402 250 389 E: <mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> paul.szyndler@auda.org.au | W: <http://www.auda.org.au/> www.auda.org.au auDA - Australia's Domain Name Administrator Important Notice This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4931 (20100310) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2730 - Release Date: 03/09/10 21:33:00
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Chris Disspain -
HiroHOTTA -
Juselius Juhani -
Oscar A. Robles-Garay -
Patricio Poblete -
Peter Van Roste -
Vika Mpisane