Rules of engagement at Council workshops
Dear Colleagues, I would like to know your thoughts and wishes regarding the rules of engagement at our upcoming (and maybe all other) Council workshop. We have never done that before but, perhaps, we should discuss pluses and minuses of holding the workshop under the Chatham House Rule, i.e. "participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed." On the plus side, that could facilitate discussions. A minus: it would mean that the workshop part would be closed, i.e. only Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons would be allowed. In any case, the workshops are not recorded. We will try to document the results by taking notes. A brief summary will also be given to the members on Tuesday. What are your thoughts? Thank you, ]{atrina
Dear Katrina, I do not necessarily consider a minus celebrating closed workshops that are intended to build capacity among Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons. It could be possible that participants such as those previously mentioned feel more willing to participate, ask questions, and express concerns in a setting of familiar individuals. In open settings, people tend to protect their image by curtailing what they do or say. Best regards, This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 5:48 AM Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I would like to know your thoughts and wishes regarding the rules of engagement at our upcoming (and maybe all other) Council workshop. We have never done that before but, perhaps, we should discuss pluses and minuses of holding the workshop under the Chatham House Rule, i.e. “participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed.” On the plus side, that could facilitate discussions. A minus: it would mean that the workshop part would be closed, i.e. only Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons would be allowed.
In any case, the workshops are not recorded. We will try to document the results by taking notes. A brief summary will also be given to the members on Tuesday.
What are your thoughts?
Thank you,
]{atrina
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Happy to try out a closed workshop under Chatham House rules, if nothing else it will be an interesting experiment. Obviously the main meetings are all open and that is the important point to bear in mind. From: Ccnso-council <ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Demi Getschko Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 4:44 AM To: Pablo Rodriguez <pablo@nic.pr> Cc: ccnso-council <ccnso-council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Rules of engagement at Council workshops Dear all, Just to add that I agree with Pablo's comments.. best demi On Oct 24, 2019 03:27, Pablo Rodriguez <pablo@nic.pr<mailto:pablo@nic.pr>> wrote: Dear Katrina, I do not necessarily consider a minus celebrating closed workshops that are intended to build capacity among Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons. It could be possible that participants such as those previously mentioned feel more willing to participate, ask questions, and express concerns in a setting of familiar individuals. In open settings, people tend to protect their image by curtailing what they do or say. Best regards, [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1nFpUjuvTcUAF9A8iWoBwZZOwCmwBf...] This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 5:48 AM Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv<mailto:katrina@nic.lv>> wrote: Dear Colleagues, I would like to know your thoughts and wishes regarding the rules of engagement at our upcoming (and maybe all other) Council workshop. We have never done that before but, perhaps, we should discuss pluses and minuses of holding the workshop under the Chatham House Rule, i.e. “participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed.” On the plus side, that could facilitate discussions. A minus: it would mean that the workshop part would be closed, i.e. only Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons would be allowed. In any case, the workshops are not recorded. We will try to document the results by taking notes. A brief summary will also be given to the members on Tuesday. What are your thoughts? Thank you, ]{atrina _______________________________________________ Ccnso-council mailing list Ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:Ccnso-council@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccnso-council _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Hi Nick, The context makes the difference! Close workshops for Councilors’ capacity building and open meetings to address the issues of our community. All the best! On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 2:20 AM Nick Wenban-Smith < Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk> wrote:
Happy to try out a closed workshop under Chatham House rules, if nothing else it will be an interesting experiment.
Obviously the main meetings are all open and that is the important point to bear in mind.
*From:* Ccnso-council <ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Demi Getschko *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2019 4:44 AM *To:* Pablo Rodriguez <pablo@nic.pr> *Cc:* ccnso-council <ccnso-council@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [ccnso-council] Rules of engagement at Council workshops
Dear all,
Just to add that I agree with Pablo's comments..
best
demi
On Oct 24, 2019 03:27, Pablo Rodriguez <pablo@nic.pr> wrote:
Dear Katrina,
I do not necessarily consider a minus celebrating closed workshops that are intended to build capacity among Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons. It could be possible that participants such as those previously mentioned feel more willing to participate, ask questions, and express concerns in a setting of familiar individuals. In open settings, people tend to protect their image by curtailing what they do or say.
Best regards,
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On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 5:48 AM Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I would like to know your thoughts and wishes regarding the rules of engagement at our upcoming (and maybe all other) Council workshop. We have never done that before but, perhaps, we should discuss pluses and minuses of holding the workshop under the Chatham House Rule, i.e. “participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed.” On the plus side, that could facilitate discussions. A minus: it would mean that the workshop part would be closed, i.e. only Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons would be allowed.
In any case, the workshops are not recorded. We will try to document the results by taking notes. A brief summary will also be given to the members on Tuesday.
What are your thoughts?
Thank you,
]{atrina
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Greetings Katrina and fellow Council members, I hate to be the spoil sport here, but I have to ask whether or not this proposal, however well intentioned, is inconsistent with Article 3.1 of the ICANN Bylaws, which states: ICANN and its constituent bodies shall operate to the maximum extent feasible in an open and transparent manner… Just asking… Best Regards, /Stephen From: Ccnso-council <ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv> Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 05:48 To: 'ccnso-council' <ccnso-council@icann.org> Subject: [ccnso-council] Rules of engagement at Council workshops Dear Colleagues, I would like to know your thoughts and wishes regarding the rules of engagement at our upcoming (and maybe all other) Council workshop. We have never done that before but, perhaps, we should discuss pluses and minuses of holding the workshop under the Chatham House Rule, i.e. “participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed.” On the plus side, that could facilitate discussions. A minus: it would mean that the workshop part would be closed, i.e. only Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons would be allowed. In any case, the workshops are not recorded. We will try to document the results by taking notes. A brief summary will also be given to the members on Tuesday. What are your thoughts? Thank you, ]{atrina
Dear Stephen and all, I do not dispute the importance and observance of Article 3.1 of the ICANN Bylaws; nevertheless, when it relates to building capacity among Councillors in a workshop, it is not necessary to perform it in an open and transparent manner since we are not discussing policies to make a decision or take a vote. In a few words, acting in an open and transparent manner is not in dispute with the methods used to help us learn and understand one or more concepts. Regards, This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:50 AM Stephen Deerhake @ ASNIC <sdeerhake@nic.as> wrote:
Greetings Katrina and fellow Council members,
I hate to be the spoil sport here, but I have to ask whether or not this proposal, however well intentioned, is inconsistent with Article 3.1 of the ICANN Bylaws, which states:
ICANN and its constituent bodies shall operate to the maximum extent feasible in an open and transparent manner…
Just asking…
Best Regards,
/Stephen
*From: *Ccnso-council <ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv> *Date: *Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 05:48 *To: *'ccnso-council' <ccnso-council@icann.org> *Subject: *[ccnso-council] Rules of engagement at Council workshops
Dear Colleagues,
I would like to know your thoughts and wishes regarding the rules of engagement at our upcoming (and maybe all other) Council workshop. We have never done that before but, perhaps, we should discuss pluses and minuses of holding the workshop under the Chatham House Rule, i.e. “participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed.” On the plus side, that could facilitate discussions. A minus: it would mean that the workshop part would be closed, i.e. only Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons would be allowed.
In any case, the workshops are not recorded. We will try to document the results by taking notes. A brief summary will also be given to the members on Tuesday.
What are your thoughts?
Thank you,
]{atrina
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Dear Katrina and Colleagues I believe the next Council Workshop is a good place to use this rule. Since "It provides a way for speakers to openly discuss their views in private while allowing the topic and nature of the debate to be made public and contribute to a broader conversation." https://www.chathamhouse.org/chatham-house-rule During the workshop we want everybody to actively participate and contribute, so this rule might encourage all to speak up in a more comfortable manner, while keeping the transparency of the discussions to the community. See you soon! *:)* Best, Alejandra -- [image: Photograph] *Alejandra Reynoso*Investigación & Desarrollo | Dominios .gt *P:* +502 23688565 *E:* alejandra.reynoso@cctld.gt 18 Ave. 11-42 Zona 15, V.H. III. Guatemala, Guatemala www.gt On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 3:48 AM Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I would like to know your thoughts and wishes regarding the rules of engagement at our upcoming (and maybe all other) Council workshop. We have never done that before but, perhaps, we should discuss pluses and minuses of holding the workshop under the Chatham House Rule, i.e. “participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed.” On the plus side, that could facilitate discussions. A minus: it would mean that the workshop part would be closed, i.e. only Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons would be allowed.
In any case, the workshops are not recorded. We will try to document the results by taking notes. A brief summary will also be given to the members on Tuesday.
What are your thoughts?
Thank you,
]{atrina
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Dear Colleagues, Thank you for your input! As rigthfully pointed out by Alejandra, the idea is to help people to open up and actively participate, not to cook something in secret. As to Stephen’s question about the Bylaws, I wouldn’t be able to answer better than Pablo. To sum it up, Council Workshop will be closed and held under Chatham Couse Rule (9:00-12:00), Council prep-meeting will be open again. Regarding the workshop, I took the liberty to change the last part (yes, yes, I know, I am an undemocratic tyrant). Instead of having a brainstorming about the website, we will concentrate on actionable results of our workshop (see attachment). Hope you agree it would be more productive. Have a safe trip to Montreal! See you soon! ]{atrina From: Alejandra Reynoso [mailto:alejandra.reynoso@cctld.gt] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:03 PM To: Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv> Cc: ccnso-council <ccnso-council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Rules of engagement at Council workshops Dear Katrina and Colleagues I believe the next Council Workshop is a good place to use this rule. Since "It provides a way for speakers to openly discuss their views in private while allowing the topic and nature of the debate to be made public and contribute to a broader conversation." https://www.chathamhouse.org/chatham-house-rule During the workshop we want everybody to actively participate and contribute, so this rule might encourage all to speak up in a more comfortable manner, while keeping the transparency of the discussions to the community. See you soon! :) Best, Alejandra -- Alejandra Reynoso Investigación & Desarrollo | Dominios .gt P: +502 23688565 E: <mailto:alejandra.reynoso@cctld.gt> alejandra.reynoso@cctld.gt 18 Ave. 11-42 Zona 15, V.H. III. Guatemala, Guatemala <http://www.gt/> www.gt On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 3:48 AM Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv <mailto:katrina@nic.lv> > wrote: Dear Colleagues, I would like to know your thoughts and wishes regarding the rules of engagement at our upcoming (and maybe all other) Council workshop. We have never done that before but, perhaps, we should discuss pluses and minuses of holding the workshop under the Chatham House Rule, i.e. “participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed.” On the plus side, that could facilitate discussions. A minus: it would mean that the workshop part would be closed, i.e. only Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons would be allowed. In any case, the workshops are not recorded. We will try to document the results by taking notes. A brief summary will also be given to the members on Tuesday. What are your thoughts? Thank you, ]{atrina _______________________________________________ Ccnso-council mailing list Ccnso-council@icann.org <mailto:Ccnso-council@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccnso-council _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
I also agree to trying the proposed procedure in order to facilitate a more open discussion. - kind regards, - Young-eum Young-eum Lee Dept. of Media Arts & Sciences <http://mas.knou.ac.kr/>, Korea National Open University <http://www.knou.ac.kr/> Dept. of Media Arts and Visual Contents <http://macgrad.knou.ac.kr/>, KNOU Grad School <http://grad.knou.ac.kr/> ICANN <http://www.icann.org/> ccNSO <http://ccnso.icann.org/> Council member <http://ccnso.icann.org/council-members.htm> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:07 PM Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Thank you for your input! As rigthfully pointed out by Alejandra, the idea is to help people to open up and actively participate, not to cook something in secret. As to Stephen’s question about the Bylaws, I wouldn’t be able to answer better than Pablo. To sum it up, Council Workshop will be closed and held under Chatham Couse Rule (9:00-12:00), Council prep-meeting will be open again.
Regarding the workshop, I took the liberty to change the last part (yes, yes, I know, I am an undemocratic tyrant). Instead of having a brainstorming about the website, we will concentrate on actionable results of our workshop (see attachment). Hope you agree it would be more productive.
Have a safe trip to Montreal! See you soon!
]{atrina
*From:* Alejandra Reynoso [mailto:alejandra.reynoso@cctld.gt] *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2019 7:03 PM *To:* Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv> *Cc:* ccnso-council <ccnso-council@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [ccnso-council] Rules of engagement at Council workshops
Dear Katrina and Colleagues
I believe the next Council Workshop is a good place to use this rule. Since "It provides a way for speakers to openly discuss their views in private while allowing the topic and nature of the debate to be made public and contribute to a broader conversation." https://www.chathamhouse.org/chatham-house-rule
During the workshop we want everybody to actively participate and contribute, so this rule might encourage all to speak up in a more comfortable manner, while keeping the transparency of the discussions to the community.
See you soon! *:)*
Best,
Alejandra
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*Alejandra Reynoso* Investigación & Desarrollo | Dominios .gt
*P:* +502 23688565 *E:* alejandra.reynoso@cctld.gt
18 Ave. 11-42 Zona 15, V.H. III. Guatemala, Guatemala
www.gt
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 3:48 AM Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I would like to know your thoughts and wishes regarding the rules of engagement at our upcoming (and maybe all other) Council workshop. We have never done that before but, perhaps, we should discuss pluses and minuses of holding the workshop under the Chatham House Rule, i.e. “participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed.” On the plus side, that could facilitate discussions. A minus: it would mean that the workshop part would be closed, i.e. only Councillors, observers from ROs and liaisons would be allowed.
In any case, the workshops are not recorded. We will try to document the results by taking notes. A brief summary will also be given to the members on Tuesday.
What are your thoughts?
Thank you,
]{atrina
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Alejandra Reynoso -
Demi Getschko -
Katrina Sataki -
Nick Wenban-Smith -
Pablo Rodriguez -
Stephen Deerhake ＠ ASNIC -
Young-eum Lee