Folks, One of the things we mentioned in the DNS Abuse 101 session was putting together some resources to help “end users” identify and frustrate DNS Abuase. Evin has agreed to host a “micro-site” on DNS Abuse on the At-Large site. We probably want to get a domain name for promotional purposes, however. Thoughts? Glen has offered to spend some time on the content for that site. I’ve started the process of pulling the educational materials out of the DNS 101 presentation and a number of questions came up. 1. The term “DNS Abuse” is pretty obscure! Many of the different types of abuse, phishing, ransomeware, etc. have made it into the public lexicon but the term DNS Abuse has not. Instead you more often see references to Cybercrime or Cyber Attacks, etc. The term DNS Abuse isn’t even an article in Wikipedia…so I started one! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3ADNS_Abuse) Is it worth it to us to promote the term “DNS Abuse” because we want people thinking about this stuff in the ICANN context or should we meet the users where they are and do something like “Tips and Tricks for fending off Cyber Attacks?” 2. Is this even a content creation exercise? Might very well be the case that the best use of our resources is to get existing materials into more hands. As Laureen mentioned on the call, the FTC, as an example, as created a number of resources that we could share…or even rebrand. https://youtu.be/XU8PHihT_P4. We should discuss what we have to add from a content perspective rather than a communications channel perspective. It’s true that a lot of materials on the web have a commercial purpose so it might be worth creating new materials but we should definitely. Determine where we have value to add. Jonathan Zuck | Executive Director | Innovators Network jzuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:jzuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> | O 202.420.7497 | S jvzuck | [cid:image001.png@01D2AEED.C7EA7800]
On 14/03/2020 16:18, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Folks,
One of the things we mentioned in the DNS Abuse 101 session was putting together some resources to help “end users” identify and frustrate DNS Abuase. Evin has agreed to host a “micro-site” on DNS Abuse on the At-Large site. We probably want to get a domain name for promotional purposes, however. Thoughts? Glen has offered to spend some time on the content for that site.
I’ve started the process of pulling the educational materials out of the DNS 101 presentation and a number of questions came up.
1. *The term “DNS Abuse” is pretty obscure!* Many of the different types of abuse, phishing, ransomeware, etc. have made it into the public lexicon but the term DNS Abuse has not. Instead you more often see references to Cybercrime or Cyber Attacks, etc. The term DNS Abuse isn’t even an article in Wikipedia…so I started one! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3ADNS_Abuse) Is it worth it to us to promote the term “DNS Abuse” because we /want/ people thinking about this stuff in the ICANN context or should we meet the users where they are and do something like “Tips and Tricks for fending off Cyber Attacks?”
It would need a bit more than that to make it into Wikipedia as an article, Jonathan, Basically, it needs citations from Reliable Sources (such as the DNS abuse study by the Dutch researchers and other reliable sources such as academic journals). The links in the draft are all to Wikipedia pages rather than external sources. Wikipedia isn't a "how-to" site so it would be best to write the article as an encyclopedia entry with citations and without opinions. The other aspect that might be brought up is that it is an attempt to coin a phrase though that stage has long been passed. There is a lot of DNS related articles and some of them deal with DNS abuse topics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Domain_name_system Regards...jmcc -- ********************************************************** John McCormac * e-mail: jmcc@hosterstats.com MC2 * web: http://www.hosterstats.com/ 22 Viewmount * Domain Registrations Statistics Waterford * Domnomics - the business of domain names Ireland * https://amzn.to/2OPtEIO IE * Skype: hosterstats.com **********************************************************
Oh, I KNOW it needs much more. Like I said, I just started. As for coining a phrase, there are plenty of references to it in the literature Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org> ________________________________ From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of John McCormac <jmcc@hosterstats.com> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:13:51 AM To: cpwg@icann.org <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CPWG] DNS Abuse Education On 14/03/2020 16:18, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Folks,
One of the things we mentioned in the DNS Abuse 101 session was putting together some resources to help “end users” identify and frustrate DNS Abuase. Evin has agreed to host a “micro-site” on DNS Abuse on the At-Large site. We probably want to get a domain name for promotional purposes, however. Thoughts? Glen has offered to spend some time on the content for that site.
I’ve started the process of pulling the educational materials out of the DNS 101 presentation and a number of questions came up.
1. *The term “DNS Abuse” is pretty obscure!* Many of the different types of abuse, phishing, ransomeware, etc. have made it into the public lexicon but the term DNS Abuse has not. Instead you more often see references to Cybercrime or Cyber Attacks, etc. The term DNS Abuse isn’t even an article in Wikipedia…so I started one! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3ADNS_Abuse) Is it worth it to us to promote the term “DNS Abuse” because we /want/ people thinking about this stuff in the ICANN context or should we meet the users where they are and do something like “Tips and Tricks for fending off Cyber Attacks?”
It would need a bit more than that to make it into Wikipedia as an article, Jonathan, Basically, it needs citations from Reliable Sources (such as the DNS abuse study by the Dutch researchers and other reliable sources such as academic journals). The links in the draft are all to Wikipedia pages rather than external sources. Wikipedia isn't a "how-to" site so it would be best to write the article as an encyclopedia entry with citations and without opinions. The other aspect that might be brought up is that it is an attempt to coin a phrase though that stage has long been passed. There is a lot of DNS related articles and some of them deal with DNS abuse topics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Domain_name_system Regards...jmcc -- ********************************************************** John McCormac * e-mail: jmcc@hosterstats.com MC2 * web: http://www.hosterstats.com/ 22 Viewmount * Domain Registrations Statistics Waterford * Domnomics - the business of domain names Ireland * https://amzn.to/2OPtEIO IE * Skype: hosterstats.com ********************************************************** _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
On 14/03/2020 19:37, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Oh, I KNOW it needs much more. Like I said, I just started. As for coining a phrase, there are plenty of references to it in the literature
Yep but if you want it to be accepted by Wikipedia then you have to add the citations (Reliable Sources rather than just internal Wikipedia links) to the draft. Otherwise, it is likely to be rejected. The Dutch study is a good citation and should be included in the draft. Also any direct mentions of the phrase "DNS abuse" in print/online publications would also be good to include. However, steer clear of using blogs for citations even if they are written by experts. The more citations from Reliable Sources a draft has, the less likely it is to be rejected or deleted. If you think that things can get a bit argumentative on ICANN lists, there's nothing quite like a Wikipedia Holy War. :) Regards...jmcc -- ********************************************************** John McCormac * e-mail: jmcc@hosterstats.com MC2 * web: http://www.hosterstats.com/ 22 Viewmount * Domain Registrations Statistics Waterford * Domnomics - the business of domain names Ireland * https://amzn.to/2OPtEIO IE * Skype: hosterstats.com **********************************************************
I haven't submitted it yet. I have a TON of citations. I've litterally just started. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org> ________________________________ From: John McCormac <jmcc@hosterstats.com> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:24:04 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; cpwg@icann.org <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CPWG] DNS Abuse Education On 14/03/2020 19:37, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Oh, I KNOW it needs much more. Like I said, I just started. As for coining a phrase, there are plenty of references to it in the literature
Yep but if you want it to be accepted by Wikipedia then you have to add the citations (Reliable Sources rather than just internal Wikipedia links) to the draft. Otherwise, it is likely to be rejected. The Dutch study is a good citation and should be included in the draft. Also any direct mentions of the phrase "DNS abuse" in print/online publications would also be good to include. However, steer clear of using blogs for citations even if they are written by experts. The more citations from Reliable Sources a draft has, the less likely it is to be rejected or deleted. If you think that things can get a bit argumentative on ICANN lists, there's nothing quite like a Wikipedia Holy War. :) Regards...jmcc -- ********************************************************** John McCormac * e-mail: jmcc@hosterstats.com MC2 * web: http://www.hosterstats.com/ 22 Viewmount * Domain Registrations Statistics Waterford * Domnomics - the business of domain names Ireland * https://amzn.to/2OPtEIO IE * Skype: hosterstats.com **********************************************************
How about adding it to ICANNWIKI? https://icannwiki.org It's a great resource for ICANN newbies and oldies. Caleb Ogundele ________________ Sent with thumbs from a small screen mobile device. Pelase exsuce typos adn errosr. On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 9:24 PM John McCormac <jmcc@hosterstats.com> wrote:
On 14/03/2020 19:37, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Oh, I KNOW it needs much more. Like I said, I just started. As for coining a phrase, there are plenty of references to it in the literature
Yep but if you want it to be accepted by Wikipedia then you have to add the citations (Reliable Sources rather than just internal Wikipedia links) to the draft. Otherwise, it is likely to be rejected. The Dutch study is a good citation and should be included in the draft. Also any direct mentions of the phrase "DNS abuse" in print/online publications would also be good to include. However, steer clear of using blogs for citations even if they are written by experts. The more citations from Reliable Sources a draft has, the less likely it is to be rejected or deleted.
If you think that things can get a bit argumentative on ICANN lists, there's nothing quite like a Wikipedia Holy War. :)
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Great thinking! Assuming we do want to start a Wikipedia page on DNS Abuse, I'd say we might use these as inspiration for content and resources, fitting our narrative somewhere in between: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybercrime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_backbone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_security This one is also interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_security_standards - seems right up our alley but doesn't mention any resources we'd identify as related to DNS Abuse, not even anything IETF related. Curious if we have any experienced Wikipedians in the group? I share the concern of a looming Holy War on all things cyber, those knowing their way around would be tremendously helpful. Happy to help drafting if that is what we want to do, slightly concerned about us trying to centralize our resources, not sure this is a mean to that aim? If so however, would an initial Google doc draft help? Thanks for starting this discussion Jonathan! Best, J. W dniu 14.03.2020 o 17:18, Jonathan Zuck pisze:
Folks,
One of the things we mentioned in the DNS Abuse 101 session was putting together some resources to help “end users” identify and frustrate DNS Abuase. Evin has agreed to host a “micro-site” on DNS Abuse on the At-Large site. We probably want to get a domain name for promotional purposes, however. Thoughts? Glen has offered to spend some time on the content for that site.
I’ve started the process of pulling the educational materials out of the DNS 101 presentation and a number of questions came up.
1. *The term “DNS Abuse” is pretty obscure!* Many of the different types of abuse, phishing, ransomeware, etc. have made it into the public lexicon but the term DNS Abuse has not. Instead you more often see references to Cybercrime or Cyber Attacks, etc. The term DNS Abuse isn’t even an article in Wikipedia…so I started one! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3ADNS_Abuse) Is it worth it to us to promote the term “DNS Abuse” because we /want/ people thinking about this stuff in the ICANN context or should we meet the users where they are and do something like “Tips and Tricks for fending off Cyber Attacks?” 2. *Is this even a content creation exercise?* Might very well be the case that the best use of our resources is to get existing materials into more hands. As Laureen mentioned on the call, the FTC, as an example, as created a number of resources that we could share…or even rebrand. https://youtu.be/XU8PHihT_P4. We should discuss what we have to add from a content perspective rather than a communications channel perspective. It’s true that a lot of materials on the web have a commercial purpose so it /might/ be worth creating new materials but we should definitely. Determine where we have value to add.
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