Thank You, Vladimir! Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...? Please, share Yout suggestion! Best, Dusan On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do.

Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference.

So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort.

Best regards, Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info <mailto:yvk@uanic.info>> wrote:

Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/>

International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevanhttp://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg>

We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival>

Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> <http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/>

Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website:http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/>

If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU am.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> <mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru>

Please be aware that registration closes on September 1, 2015.

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Thank You Dmitry and Iliya! So far we can see that the desired form is presentation, not workshop. Is there any other opinion, or we can start to make together one presentation about our group? Yuliya, Nelly, Mira... Any other thoughts? Regards, Dusan On 11.7.2015 13:45, Iliya Bazlyankov wrote:

Dear All,

I don't feel that a special workshop is needed - most of the people follow the topic in any case, AND I don't think a workshop would fit in the agenda. But as Dmitry said, a simple presentation with status update would be good - attendees will be interested.

So Dusan, if you have the possibility, I think you should ask them for a presentation.

Best regards, Iliya

On 11 July 2015 at 00:59, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

Thank You, Vladimir! Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...?

Please, share Yout suggestion! Best, Dusan

On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

...

Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do.

Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference.

So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort.

Best regards, Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info <mailto:yvk@uanic.info>> wrote:

Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/>

International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevanhttp://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg>

We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival>

Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> <http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/>

Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website:http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/>

If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU am.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> <mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru>

Please be aware that registration closes on September 1, 2015.

Sincerely,

The Conference Committee

Natalya Petrova

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Thank You, Yuliya, it helps a lot! Thanks also to the rest of You! Today, I will ask PC about time and possible presentation, and I will let You know what is the answer. If there is a green light (I think that it will be green), from all that You sad, I suggest that we all participate in forming one basic presentation and I would like to see some suggestion on topics that we need to cover. For example, my suggestion> 1. who we are 2. what are we doing 3. where are we right now (stage of forming) 4. why this is important for ccTLDs 5. how You can join our group. Simple, 5-6 slides, and rest is discussion. Do You think this is ok or we need to add something else? I think also that we can use this kind of presentation for all future events (smaller ones, domestic, regional...) where we can show our work. Do You think it's ok? Regards, Dusan On 13.7.2015 9:45, Yuliya Morenets wrote:

Dear Dusan, all,

I'll not be attending the event. But my understanding is that the workshop is needed when we can present a solid outcome or the progress done on something, in our case a kind of very first and consistent draft. I'm not sure we are ready to have a solid presentation of something.

But I think a roundtable or a kind of meeting where we can gather the opinion of other participants, as the event will gather the representatives of the South-Eastern and Eastern Europe, so potential experts, can be useful.

To sum up, I don't think the workshop is needed, but an open discussion in an open format can be useful for further input to the draft we have.

I hope this helps, Yuliya

Le 11.07.2015 20:01, Dusan Stojicevic a écrit :

...

Thank You Dmitry and Iliya! So far we can see that the desired form is presentation, not workshop. Is there any other opinion, or we can start to make together one presentation about our group? Yuliya, Nelly, Mira... Any other thoughts?

Regards, Dusan

On 11.7.2015 13:45, Iliya Bazlyankov wrote:

...

Dear All,

I don't feel that a special workshop is needed - most of the people follow the topic in any case, AND I don't think a workshop would fit in the agenda. But as Dmitry said, a simple presentation with status update would be good - attendees will be interested.

So Dusan, if you have the possibility, I think you should ask them for a presentation. Best regards, Iliya

On 11 July 2015 at 00:59, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

Thank You, Vladimir! Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...?

Please, share Yout suggestion! Best, Dusan

On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

...

Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do. Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference. So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort. Best regards, Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info <mailto:yvk@uanic.info>> wrote:

Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/>

International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevanhttp://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg>

We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival>

Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> <http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/>

Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website:http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/>

If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU am.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> <mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru>

Please be aware that registration closes on September 1, 2015.

Sincerely,

The Conference Committee

Natalya Petrova

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Thank You Vladimir, important point (and I agree with You)! More suggestions? Dusan On 13.7.2015 15:59, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

Yes, that's right, and we actually need to pitch not just to ccTLDs, but to the language communities at large - because the policy we'll be coming up with will be applicable for future new TLD rounds in which applicants from those communities might be willing to apply.

So although this particular presentation is for ccTLDs I would rather like to emphasize the language community aspect which is broader than just ccTLDs.

Best regards, Vladimir

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

Thank You, Yuliya, it helps a lot! Thanks also to the rest of You!

Today, I will ask PC about time and possible presentation, and I will let You know what is the answer. If there is a green light (I think that it will be green), from all that You sad, I suggest that we all participate in forming one basic presentation and I would like to see some suggestion on topics that we need to cover. For example, my suggestion> 1. who we are 2. what are we doing 3. where are we right now (stage of forming) 4. why this is important for ccTLDs 5. how You can join our group. Simple, 5-6 slides, and rest is discussion.

Do You think this is ok or we need to add something else? I think also that we can use this kind of presentation for all future events (smaller ones, domestic, regional...) where we can show our work. Do You think it's ok?

Regards, Dusan

On 13.7.2015 9:45, Yuliya Morenets wrote:

...

Dear Dusan, all,

I'll not be attending the event. But my understanding is that the workshop is needed when we can present a solid outcome or the progress done on something, in our case a kind of very first and consistent draft. I'm not sure we are ready to have a solid presentation of something.

But I think a roundtable or a kind of meeting where we can gather the opinion of other participants, as the event will gather the representatives of the South-Eastern and Eastern Europe, so potential experts, can be useful.

To sum up, I don't think the workshop is needed, but an open discussion in an open format can be useful for further input to the draft we have.

I hope this helps, Yuliya

Le 11.07.2015 20:01, Dusan Stojicevic a écrit :

...

Thank You Dmitry and Iliya! So far we can see that the desired form is presentation, not workshop. Is there any other opinion, or we can start to make together one presentation about our group? Yuliya, Nelly, Mira... Any other thoughts?

Regards, Dusan

On 11.7.2015 13:45, Iliya Bazlyankov wrote:

...

Dear All,

I don't feel that a special workshop is needed - most of the people follow the topic in any case, AND I don't think a workshop would fit in the agenda. But as Dmitry said, a simple presentation with status update would be good - attendees will be interested.

So Dusan, if you have the possibility, I think you should ask them for a presentation. Best regards, Iliya

On 11 July 2015 at 00:59, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

Thank You, Vladimir! Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...?

Please, share Yout suggestion! Best, Dusan

On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

...

Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do. Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference. So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort. Best regards, Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info <mailto:yvk@uanic.info>> wrote:

Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/>

International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevanhttp://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg>

We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival>

Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> <http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/>

Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website:http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/>

If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU am.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> <mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru>

Please be aware that registration closes on September 1, 2015.

Sincerely,

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Dear all, *Good news! *Thanks to Mikhail Yakushev, we will have a time slot for a presentation on TLDCON! Rough agenda is here> http://meeting.cctld.ru/en/prog/?p=prog, and we are on the last session (Reserved for ICANN). Also, Thanks Dmitry for another suggestion, good one also. Basically, we have now structure of presentation> 1. who we are 2. background information on RootLGR in general 3. what are we doing 4. where are we right now (stage of forming, our Proposal...) 5. why this is important for ccTLDs and gTLDs 6. why this is important for language communities at large 7. how You can join our group Is it ok with You? I think that this presentation we can use on similar meetings in the future, combining and erasing some slides to adapt for the specific public. For a presenter, I would like to suggest that Yuriy take the stand, as a coordinator of the group. Another possible way is to have two presenters, Dmitry and Yuriy. Whatever You prefer. What You think? And I would like to ask Sarmad for ppt template - I guess that You have something with ICANN logo. And again, is there any volunteers for building presentation? My suggestion is that we can split tasks and one can do content for one slide. At the end, I will fill into template. Content can be in form of mail. Do You think it's ok? Any other suggestion? Regards, Dusan On 14.7.2015 17:44, Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote:

Hi Dusan and all,

On 13 июля 2015, at 11:25, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

...

Thank You, Yuliya, it helps a lot! Thanks also to the rest of You!

Today, I will ask PC about time and possible presentation, and I will let You know what is the answer. If there is a green light (I think that it will be green), from all that You sad, I suggest that we all participate in forming one basic presentation and I would like to see some suggestion on topics that we need to cover. For example, my suggestion> 1. who we are 2. what are we doing 3. where are we right now (stage of forming) 4. why this is important for ccTLDs 5. how You can join our group. Simple, 5-6 slides, and rest is discussion.

This all seems useful.

Perhaps another slide for background information on RootLGR in general (what are those panels for.)

...

Do You think this is ok or we need to add something else? I think also that we can use this kind of presentation for all future events (smaller ones, domestic, regional...) where we can show our work. Do You think it's ok?

Less is more in this case. Five-slide template is about right, Additional five slides can be added for content.

Assuming one minute per slide, ten minutes fit easily.

...

Regards, Dusan

On 13.7.2015 9:45, Yuliya Morenets wrote:

...

Dear Dusan, all,

I'll not be attending the event. But my understanding is that the workshop is needed when we can present a solid outcome or the progress done on something, in our case a kind of very first and consistent draft. I'm not sure we are ready to have a solid presentation of something.

But I think a roundtable or a kind of meeting where we can gather the opinion of other participants, as the event will gather the representatives of the South-Eastern and Eastern Europe, so potential experts, can be useful.

To sum up, I don't think the workshop is needed, but an open discussion in an open format can be useful for further input to the draft we have.

I hope this helps, Yuliya

Le 11.07.2015 20:01, Dusan Stojicevic a écrit :

...

Thank You Dmitry and Iliya! So far we can see that the desired form is presentation, not workshop. Is there any other opinion, or we can start to make together one presentation about our group? Yuliya, Nelly, Mira... Any other thoughts?

Regards, Dusan

On 11.7.2015 13:45, Iliya Bazlyankov wrote:

...

Dear All,

I don't feel that a special workshop is needed - most of the people follow the topic in any case, AND I don't think a workshop would fit in the agenda. But as Dmitry said, a simple presentation with status update would be good - attendees will be interested.

So Dusan, if you have the possibility, I think you should ask them for a presentation. Best regards, Iliya

On 11 July 2015 at 00:59, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

Thank You, Vladimir! Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...?

Please, share Yout suggestion! Best, Dusan

On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

...

Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do. Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference. So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort. Best regards, Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info <mailto:yvk@uanic.info>> wrote:

Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/>

International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevanhttp://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg>

We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival>

Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> <http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/>

Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website:http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/>

If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU am.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> <mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru>

Please be aware that registration closes on September 1, 2015.

Sincerely,

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Dear all, First, I'd like to thank Michael for doing this one to one talks and summarizing them. Secondly, I'll have some things to add here> For the first bullet: The answers to both questions "where we are and what shall we do next" are obvious and clear. For the part "where we are" the real answer to first question is - we are at the point where we must change our proposal according to comments... For the part "what should be done", the answer is similar - we need to change our proposal according to comments... Right question is HOW we can do it, and some of the answers are in the rest of the bullets (2. to 4.). I support all those bullets, but, I strongly think that we need fifth bullet which will be - *5. We need to work!** * Let me explain this with one simple example> We have the opportunity to present something in TLDCON, early september (basically, one month for building presentation, with all vacations even less time). With this presentation, we can add some people to our group (4. bullet). In attach You can find ppt template (thanks, Sarmad). We have one proposed structure for presentation that we discussed> 1. who we are 2. background information on RootLGR in general 3. what are we doing 4. where are we right now (stage of forming, our Proposal...) 5. why this is important for ccTLDs and gTLDs 6. why this is important for language communities at large 7. how You can join our group Also, we have some options for presenters (Yuriy and Dmitry) I will repeat my questions> *How* do You think we can build this presentation? Do You have time to build one slide, so we can share the job among members of GP? Any volunteers for one or more slides? Whole presentation? I will not do this alone, because I will repeat the same mistake that was seen so many times here. Answering those questions you will give the real answer to the question HOW. So far, I didn't saw any answers to those question, and that's why the fifth bullet must exist. So, colleagues, any volunteers? Any thoughts? Regards, Dusan On 14.7.2015 20:47, Michael Yakushev wrote:

Dear colleagues,

Thank you for your active engagement in this Working Group.

May I summarize the suggestions that I’ve heard during the set of our 1:1 interviews.

1.The presentation (updated document ‘*where we are and what should be done*”) is badly needed as a starting point for any moving ahead. By now it can be a 1-2 page document, and ideally Yuri Kargapolov and Dr.Sarmad would assist us to get this document as soon as possible.

2.The *role and priorities of the WG leader should be changed*. WG leader should demonstrate more initiative and guidance on what is expected from the WG at every moment, though having generated discussions, he (or she) should not dictate any decisions, but moderate such discussion and look for the acceptable decision. This may be achieved by selecting a co-chairs and/or a deputy chairs, that are able to allocate more time and resources to the activities of the WG.

3.*F2f meeting*would be a good option to accelerate our efforts. Yerevan (TLDCON) may be a good choice, while we have another opportunity to do this at ICANN’s office in Istanbul – the most convenient place for most of us. The agenda and timing should be discussed separately.

4.We need *to invite more people (experts) to the WG*. Any suggestions are welcome, as it will help us to fill the remaining gaps.

Kind regards,

Michael

*From:*cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Dusan Stojicevic *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:12 PM *To:* Dmitry Kohmanyuk *Cc:* CyrillicGP@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Cyrillicgp] FW: Welcome to TLDCON 2015!

Dear all,

*Good news! *Thanks to Mikhail Yakushev, we will have a time slot for a presentation on TLDCON! Rough agenda is here> http://meeting.cctld.ru/en/prog/?p=prog, and we are on the last session (Reserved for ICANN). Also,

Thanks Dmitry for another suggestion, good one also. Basically, we have now structure of presentation>

1. who we are 2. background information on RootLGR in general 3. what are we doing 4. where are we right now (stage of forming, our Proposal...) 5. why this is important for ccTLDs and gTLDs 6. why this is important for language communities at large 7. how You can join our group

Is it ok with You? I think that this presentation we can use on similar meetings in the future, combining and erasing some slides to adapt for the specific public.

For a presenter, I would like to suggest that Yuriy take the stand, as a coordinator of the group. Another possible way is to have two presenters, Dmitry and Yuriy. Whatever You prefer. What You think?

And I would like to ask Sarmad for ppt template - I guess that You have something with ICANN logo.

And again, is there any volunteers for building presentation? My suggestion is that we can split tasks and one can do content for one slide. At the end, I will fill into template. Content can be in form of mail. Do You think it's ok? Any other suggestion?

Regards, Dusan

On 14.7.2015 17:44, Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote:

Hi Dusan and all,

On 13 июля 2015, at 11:25, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

Thank You, Yuliya, it helps a lot! Thanks also to the rest of You!

Today, I will ask PC about time and possible presentation, and I will let You know what is the answer. If there is a green light (I think that it will be green), from all that You sad, I suggest that we all participate in forming one basic presentation and I would like to see some suggestion on topics that we need to cover. For example, my suggestion> 1. who we are 2. what are we doing 3. where are we right now (stage of forming) 4. why this is important for ccTLDs 5. how You can join our group. Simple, 5-6 slides, and rest is discussion.

This all seems useful.

Perhaps another slide for background information on RootLGR in general (what are those panels for.)

Do You think this is ok or we need to add something else? I think also that we can use this kind of presentation for all future events (smaller ones, domestic, regional...) where we can show our work. Do You think it's ok?

Less is more in this case. Five-slide template is about right, Additional five slides can be added for content.

Assuming one minute per slide, ten minutes fit easily.

Regards, Dusan

On 13.7.2015 9:45, Yuliya Morenets wrote:

Dear Dusan, all,

I'll not be attending the event. But my understanding is that the workshop is needed when we can present a solid outcome or the progress done on something, in our case a kind of very first and consistent draft. I'm not sure we are ready to have a solid presentation of something.

But I think a roundtable or a kind of meeting where we can gather the opinion of other participants, as the event will gather the representatives of the South-Eastern and Eastern Europe, so potential experts, can be useful.

To sum up, I don't think the workshop is needed, but an open discussion in an open format can be useful for further input to the draft we have.

I hope this helps, Yuliya

Le 11.07.2015 20:01, Dusan Stojicevic a écrit :

Thank You Dmitry and Iliya! So far we can see that the desired form is presentation, not workshop. Is there any other opinion, or we can start to make together one presentation about our group? Yuliya, Nelly, Mira... Any other thoughts?

Regards, Dusan

On 11.7.2015 13:45, Iliya Bazlyankov wrote:

Dear All,

I don't feel that a special workshop is needed - most of the people follow the topic in any case, AND I don't think a workshop would fit in the agenda. But as Dmitry said, a simple presentation with status update would be good - attendees will be interested.

So Dusan, if you have the possibility, I think you should ask them for a presentation.

Best regards,

Iliya

On 11 July 2015 at 00:59, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

Thank You, Vladimir! Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...?

Please, share Yout suggestion! Best, Dusan

On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do.

Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference.

So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort.

Best regards,

Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info <mailto:yvk@uanic.info>> wrote:

Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/>

International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevanhttp://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg>

We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival>

Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> <http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/>

Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website:http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/>

If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU am.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> <mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru>

Please be aware that registration closes on September 1, 2015.

Sincerely,

The Conference Committee

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Dear Yuriy, Exactly my point here. I do appreciate Your hard work, but I strongly suggest that we all build presentation. Regarding that, I would like to ask You some questions, just to clarify things and try to organize rest of the group. What section do You plan to cover from the structure? It's needed to know, so that rest of us start to build other section. Also, I would like to ask You to share working slides with all of us on the list, so we can discuss them. The form is not specified - You can share via mail in plain text. @all Also, is there anyone else who can dedicate some time and build one-two slides? Some suggestions> Dmitry was with suggestion number 2. in proposed structure. Dmitry, could You please build this slide? Vladimir was suggested number 6. - Vladimir, can You please build this one? Dusan will put all text into slides in template and build first and last one. Any other suggestions? Regards, Dusan On 21.7.2015 19:07, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Re[2]: [Cyrillicgp] FW: Welcome to TLDCON 2015!

Dear Dusan,

Thanks for the first cornerstone our presentation.

Who are ready put the next foundation stone? :)

I started work already.

Regards

Yuri

Monday, July 20, 2015, 1:26:55 AM, you wrote:

Dear all,

First, I'd like to thank Michael for doing this one to one talks and summarizing them.

Secondly, I'll have some things to add here>

For the first bullet: The answers to both questions "where we are and what shall we do next" are obvious and clear.

For the part "where we are" the real answer to first question is - we are at the point where we must change our proposal according to comments...

For the part "what should be done", the answer is similar - we need to change our proposal according to comments...

Right question is HOW we can do it, and some of the answers are in the rest of the bullets (2. to 4.). I support all those bullets, but, I strongly think that we need fifth bullet which will be -

5. We need to work!

Let me explain this with one simple example>

We have the opportunity to present something in TLDCON, early september (basically, one month for building presentation, with all vacations even less time).

With this presentation, we can add some people to our group (4. bullet). In attach You can find ppt template (thanks, Sarmad).

We have one proposed structure for presentation that we discussed>

1. who we are

2. background information on RootLGR in general

3. what are we doing

4. where are we right now (stage of forming, our Proposal...)

5. why this is important for ccTLDs and gTLDs

6. why this is important for language communities at large

7. how You can join our group

Also, we have some options for presenters (Yuriy and Dmitry)

I will repeat my questions>

How do You think we can build this presentation?

Do You have time to build one slide, so we can share the job among members of GP?

Any volunteers for one or more slides? Whole presentation?

I will not do this alone, because I will repeat the same mistake that was seen so many times here.

Answering those questions you will give the real answer to the question HOW.

So far, I didn't saw any answers to those question, and that's why the fifth bullet must exist.

So, colleagues, any volunteers? Any thoughts?

Regards,

Dusan

On 14.7.2015 20:47, Michael Yakushev wrote:

Dear colleagues,

Thank you for your active engagement in this Working Group.

May I summarize the suggestions that I’ve heard during the set of our 1:1 interviews.

1.The presentation (updated document ‘where we are and what should be done”) is badly needed as a starting point for any moving ahead. By now it can be a 1-2 page document, and ideally Yuri Kargapolov and Dr.Sarmad would assist us to get this document as soon as possible.

2.The role and priorities of the WG leader should be changed. WG leader should demonstrate more initiative and guidance on what is expected from the WG at every moment, though having generated discussions, he (or she) should not dictate any decisions, but moderate such discussion and look for the acceptable decision. This may be achieved by selecting a co-chairs and/or a deputy chairs, that are able to allocate more time and resources to the activities of the WG.

3.F2f meeting would be a good option to accelerate our efforts. Yerevan (TLDCON) may be a good choice, while we have another opportunity to do this at ICANN’s office in Istanbul – the most convenient place for most of us. The agenda and timing should be discussed separately.

4.We need to invite more people (experts) to the WG. Any suggestions are welcome, as it will help us to fill the remaining gaps.

Kind regards,

Michael

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Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:12 PM

To: Dmitry Kohmanyuk

Cc:CyrillicGP@icann.org <mailto:CyrillicGP@icann.org>

Subject: Re: [Cyrillicgp] FW: Welcome to TLDCON 2015!

Dear all,

Good news! Thanks to Mikhail Yakushev, we will have a time slot for a presentation on TLDCON!

Rough agenda is here> http://meeting.cctld.ru/en/prog/?p=prog,

and we are on the last session (Reserved for ICANN). Also,

Thanks Dmitry for another suggestion, good one also.

Basically, we have now structure of presentation>

1. who we are

2. background information on RootLGR in general

3. what are we doing

4. where are we right now (stage of forming, our Proposal...)

5. why this is important for ccTLDs and gTLDs

6. why this is important for language communities at large

7. how You can join our group

Is it ok with You?

I think that this presentation we can use on similar meetings in the future, combining and erasing some slides to adapt for the specific public.

For a presenter, I would like to suggest that Yuriy take the stand, as a coordinator of the group.

Another possible way is to have two presenters, Dmitry and Yuriy. Whatever You prefer.

What You think?

And I would like to ask Sarmad for ppt template - I guess that You have something with ICANN logo.

And again, is there any volunteers for building presentation?

My suggestion is that we can split tasks and one can do content for one slide. At the end, I will fill into template.

Content can be in form of mail. Do You think it's ok?

Any other suggestion?

Regards,

Dusan

On 14.7.2015 17:44, Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote:

Hi Dusan and all,

On 13 июля 2015, at 11:25, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

Thank You, Yuliya, it helps a lot!

Thanks also to the rest of You!

Today, I will ask PC about time and possible presentation, and I will let You know what is the answer.

If there is a green light (I think that it will be green), from all that You sad, I suggest that we all participate in forming one basic presentation and I would like to see some suggestion on topics that we need to cover.

For example, my suggestion>

1. who we are

2. what are we doing

3. where are we right now (stage of forming)

4. why this is important for ccTLDs

5. how You can join our group.

Simple, 5-6 slides, and rest is discussion.

This all seems useful.

Perhaps another slide for background information on RootLGR in general (what are those panels for.)

Do You think this is ok or we need to add something else?

I think also that we can use this kind of presentation for all future events (smaller ones, domestic, regional...) where we can show our work. Do You think it's ok?

Less is more in this case. Five-slide template is about right, Additional five slides can be added for content.

Assuming one minute per slide, ten minutes fit easily.

Regards,

Dusan

On 13.7.2015 9:45, Yuliya Morenets wrote:

Dear Dusan, all,

I'll not be attending the event. But my understanding is that the workshop is needed when we can present a solid outcome or the progress done on something, in our case a kind of very first and consistent draft. I'm not sure we are ready to have a solid presentation of something.

But I think a roundtable or a kind of meeting where we can gather the opinion of other participants, as the event will gather the representatives of the South-Eastern and Eastern Europe, so potential experts, can be useful.

To sum up, I don't think the workshop is needed, but an open discussion in an open format can be useful for further input to the draft we have.

I hope this helps, Yuliya

Le 11.07.2015 20:01, Dusan Stojicevic a écrit :

Thank You Dmitry and Iliya!

So far we can see that the desired form is presentation, not workshop.

Is there any other opinion, or we can start to make together one presentation about our group?

Yuliya, Nelly, Mira... Any other thoughts?

Regards,

Dusan

On 11.7.2015 13:45, Iliya Bazlyankov wrote:

Dear All,

I don't feel that a special workshop is needed - most of the people follow the topic in any case, AND I don't think a workshop would fit in the agenda. But as Dmitry said, a simple presentation with status update would be good - attendees will be interested.

So Dusan, if you have the possibility, I think you should ask them for a presentation.

Best regards,

Iliya

On 11 July 2015 at 00:59, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

Thank You, Vladimir!

Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...?

Please, share Yout suggestion!

Best,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do.

Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference.

So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort.

Best regards,

Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info <mailto:yvk@uanic.info>> wrote:

Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/>

International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevanhttp://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg>

We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival>

Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> <http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/>

Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website:http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/>

If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU am.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> <mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru>

Please be aware that registration closes on September 1, 2015.

Sincerely,

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Just realised that Belarus had already applied for .бел, so please do not mention Belarus there. On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Vladimir Shadrunov <info@vlad.tel> wrote:

Hi All,

As it is just a 10 minute presentation, I would suggest it would be best if the presenter creates the slides - that way ensures it's done in consistent style and the narrative flow is good.

That said, I would appreciate if the group is given a chance to review and comment on the presentation before it is delivered. In fact this is a must if we want to present is as group work as opposed to work of a particular group member.

And just to elaborate what I earlier said about item 6 "why this is important for language communities at large" I would give the following bullet points (actually feel free to compress them):

- It is the only standing working group dealing with Cyrillic IDN policies that is established by ICANN - The rules on Cyrillic characters that our group develops will become part of the larger ICANN policy on IDN TLD labels - These rules will affect all future Cyrillic TLD applications, both gTLDs and ccTLDs. - Countries that have not yet applied for IDN ccTLDs (Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan etc.) should pay even closer attention to this work as it may affect them. - Potentially these rules may also affect IDN TLD applications in other scripts such as Latin and Greek, due to cross-script character similarities. - There are potentially even broader implications on IDN policies due to the weight and authority of the group and its mission.

Best regards, Vladimir

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs> wrote:

...

Dear Yuriy,

Exactly my point here. I do appreciate Your hard work, but I strongly suggest that we all build presentation. Regarding that, I would like to ask You some questions, just to clarify things and try to organize rest of the group. What section do You plan to cover from the structure? It's needed to know, so that rest of us start to build other section. Also, I would like to ask You to share working slides with all of us on the list, so we can discuss them. The form is not specified - You can share via mail in plain text.

@all Also, is there anyone else who can dedicate some time and build one-two slides? Some suggestions> Dmitry was with suggestion number 2. in proposed structure. Dmitry, could You please build this slide? Vladimir was suggested number 6. - Vladimir, can You please build this one? Dusan will put all text into slides in template and build first and last one. Any other suggestions?

Regards, Dusan

On 21.7.2015 19:07, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Dusan,

Thanks for the first cornerstone our presentation.

Who are ready put the next foundation stone? :)

I started work already.

Regards

Yuri

Monday, July 20, 2015, 1:26:55 AM, you wrote:

Dear all,

First, I'd like to thank Michael for doing this one to one talks and summarizing them.

Secondly, I'll have some things to add here>

For the first bullet: The answers to both questions "where we are and what shall we do next" are obvious and clear.

For the part "where we are" the real answer to first question is - we are at the point where we must change our proposal according to comments...

For the part "what should be done", the answer is similar - we need to change our proposal according to comments...

Right question is HOW we can do it, and some of the answers are in the rest of the bullets (2. to 4.). I support all those bullets, but, I strongly think that we need fifth bullet which will be -

5. We need to work!

Let me explain this with one simple example>

We have the opportunity to present something in TLDCON, early september (basically, one month for building presentation, with all vacations even less time).

With this presentation, we can add some people to our group (4. bullet). In attach You can find ppt template (thanks, Sarmad).

We have one proposed structure for presentation that we discussed>

1. who we are

2. background information on RootLGR in general

3. what are we doing

4. where are we right now (stage of forming, our Proposal...)

5. why this is important for ccTLDs and gTLDs

6. why this is important for language communities at large

7. how You can join our group

Also, we have some options for presenters (Yuriy and Dmitry)

I will repeat my questions>

How do You think we can build this presentation?

Do You have time to build one slide, so we can share the job among members of GP?

Any volunteers for one or more slides? Whole presentation?

I will not do this alone, because I will repeat the same mistake that was seen so many times here.

Answering those questions you will give the real answer to the question HOW.

So far, I didn't saw any answers to those question, and that's why the fifth bullet must exist.

So, colleagues, any volunteers? Any thoughts?

Regards,

Dusan

On 14.7.2015 20:47, Michael Yakushev wrote:

Dear colleagues,

Thank you for your active engagement in this Working Group.

May I summarize the suggestions that I’ve heard during the set of our 1:1 interviews.

1. The presentation (updated document ‘where we are and what should be done”) is badly needed as a starting point for any moving ahead. By now it can be a 1-2 page document, and ideally Yuri Kargapolov and Dr.Sarmad would assist us to get this document as soon as possible.

2. The role and priorities of the WG leader should be changed. WG leader should demonstrate more initiative and guidance on what is expected from the WG at every moment, though having generated discussions, he (or she) should not dictate any decisions, but moderate such discussion and look for the acceptable decision. This may be achieved by selecting a co-chairs and/or a deputy chairs, that are able to allocate more time and resources to the activities of the WG.

3. F2f meeting would be a good option to accelerate our efforts. Yerevan (TLDCON) may be a good choice, while we have another opportunity to do this at ICANN’s office in Istanbul – the most convenient place for most of us. The agenda and timing should be discussed separately.

4. We need to invite more people (experts) to the WG. Any suggestions are welcome, as it will help us to fill the remaining gaps.

Kind regards,

Michael

From: cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org <cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Dusan Stojicevic

Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:12 PM

To: Dmitry Kohmanyuk

Cc: CyrillicGP@icann.org

Subject: Re: [Cyrillicgp] FW: Welcome to TLDCON 2015!

Dear all,

Good news! Thanks to Mikhail Yakushev, we will have a time slot for a presentation on TLDCON!

Rough agenda is here> http://meeting.cctld.ru/en/prog/?p=prog,

and we are on the last session (Reserved for ICANN). Also,

Thanks Dmitry for another suggestion, good one also.

Basically, we have now structure of presentation>

1. who we are

2. background information on RootLGR in general

3. what are we doing

4. where are we right now (stage of forming, our Proposal...)

5. why this is important for ccTLDs and gTLDs

6. why this is important for language communities at large

7. how You can join our group

Is it ok with You?

I think that this presentation we can use on similar meetings in the future, combining and erasing some slides to adapt for the specific public.

For a presenter, I would like to suggest that Yuriy take the stand, as a coordinator of the group.

Another possible way is to have two presenters, Dmitry and Yuriy. Whatever You prefer.

What You think?

And I would like to ask Sarmad for ppt template - I guess that You have something with ICANN logo.

And again, is there any volunteers for building presentation?

My suggestion is that we can split tasks and one can do content for one slide. At the end, I will fill into template.

Content can be in form of mail. Do You think it's ok?

Any other suggestion?

Regards,

Dusan

On 14.7.2015 17:44, Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote:

Hi Dusan and all,

On 13 июля 2015, at 11:25, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs> wrote:

Thank You, Yuliya, it helps a lot!

Thanks also to the rest of You!

Today, I will ask PC about time and possible presentation, and I will let You know what is the answer.

If there is a green light (I think that it will be green), from all that You sad, I suggest that we all participate in forming one basic presentation and I would like to see some suggestion on topics that we need to cover.

For example, my suggestion>

1. who we are

2. what are we doing

3. where are we right now (stage of forming)

4. why this is important for ccTLDs

5. how You can join our group.

Simple, 5-6 slides, and rest is discussion.

This all seems useful.

Perhaps another slide for background information on RootLGR in general (what are those panels for.)

Do You think this is ok or we need to add something else?

I think also that we can use this kind of presentation for all future events (smaller ones, domestic, regional...) where we can show our work. Do You think it's ok?

Less is more in this case. Five-slide template is about right, Additional five slides can be added for content.

Assuming one minute per slide, ten minutes fit easily.

Regards,

Dusan

On 13.7.2015 9:45, Yuliya Morenets wrote:

Dear Dusan, all,

I'll not be attending the event. But my understanding is that the workshop is needed when we can present a solid outcome or the progress done on something, in our case a kind of very first and consistent draft. I'm not sure we are ready to have a solid presentation of something.

But I think a roundtable or a kind of meeting where we can gather the opinion of other participants, as the event will gather the representatives of the South-Eastern and Eastern Europe, so potential experts, can be useful.

To sum up, I don't think the workshop is needed, but an open discussion in an open format can be useful for further input to the draft we have.

I hope this helps, Yuliya

Le 11.07.2015 20:01, Dusan Stojicevic a écrit :

Thank You Dmitry and Iliya!

So far we can see that the desired form is presentation, not workshop.

Is there any other opinion, or we can start to make together one presentation about our group?

Yuliya, Nelly, Mira... Any other thoughts?

Regards,

Dusan

On 11.7.2015 13:45, Iliya Bazlyankov wrote:

Dear All,

I don't feel that a special workshop is needed - most of the people follow the topic in any case, AND I don't think a workshop would fit in the agenda. But as Dmitry said, a simple presentation with status update would be good - attendees will be interested.

So Dusan, if you have the possibility, I think you should ask them for a presentation.

Best regards,

Iliya

On 11 July 2015 at 00:59, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs> wrote:

Thank You, Vladimir!

Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...?

Please, share Yout suggestion!

Best,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do.

Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference.

So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort.

Best regards,

Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info> wrote:

Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/>

International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevan http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg>

We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival>

Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> <http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/>

Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website: http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/>

If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU a m.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> <m.anisimov@cctld.ru>

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Dear all, I would like to second the idea that Yuliya expressed. In my opinion, the best approach would be a (very short) status update presentation, followed by wider discussion. I would not expect any direct opinion expressed, but it would serve as tasting the opinions. Cultural and language topics are very sensitive and are rarely easy to discuss in such meetings. It would be also great to involve as Vladimir suggested, a much wider language community. This is, what we lack in my opinion in general — our knowledge and view point are too much on the technical/technology/policy side. We need to solicit more language-minded partners. The ccTLDs are in general “shy”. This is usually because they are already deeply involved in resolving issues such as what we deal with in this work — and they rarely appreciate being told what and how to do it by outsiders. On the other hand, ccTLD managers are one of the most experience sharing community in our business. With the right approach, it could be win-win for everybody. So.. a lot of diplomacy is needed here for good outcome. Best Regards, Daniel Kalchev Register.BG

On 13.07.2015 г., at 10:45, Yuliya Morenets <y.morenets@againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:

Dear Dusan, all,

I'll not be attending the event. But my understanding is that the workshop is needed when we can present a solid outcome or the progress done on something, in our case a kind of very first and consistent draft. I'm not sure we are ready to have a solid presentation of something.

But I think a roundtable or a kind of meeting where we can gather the opinion of other participants, as the event will gather the representatives of the South-Eastern and Eastern Europe, so potential experts, can be useful.

To sum up, I don't think the workshop is needed, but an open discussion in an open format can be useful for further input to the draft we have.

I hope this helps, Yuliya

Le 11.07.2015 20:01, Dusan Stojicevic a écrit :

...

Thank You Dmitry and Iliya! So far we can see that the desired form is presentation, not workshop. Is there any other opinion, or we can start to make together one presentation about our group? Yuliya, Nelly, Mira... Any other thoughts?

Regards, Dusan

On 11.7.2015 13:45, Iliya Bazlyankov wrote:

...

Dear All,

I don't feel that a special workshop is needed - most of the people follow the topic in any case, AND I don't think a workshop would fit in the agenda. But as Dmitry said, a simple presentation with status update would be good - attendees will be interested.

So Dusan, if you have the possibility, I think you should ask them for a presentation.

Best regards, Iliya

On 11 July 2015 at 00:59, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote: Thank You, Vladimir! Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...?

Please, share Yout suggestion! Best, Dusan

On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

...

Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do.

Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference.

So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort.

Best regards, Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info <mailto:yvk@uanic.info>> wrote: Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevanhttp://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/ <http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/>

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> <http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website:http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/ <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/>. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU am.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> <mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> Please be aware that registration closes on September 1, 2015.

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Thank You very much Yuliya, Vladimir, Yuriy and Daniel! Very Important notes. First, as I tried to explain, there is no round tables, panels or workshops on TLDCON. Only sessions about one topic (for example IDN), with 4-5 presentations during session. After each presentation, audience ask the questions. I'm sorry, Yuliya and Daniel, but there is no opportunity for workshop, panel, or round table, and for moderator / only presenter. And this is the good time to ask You all - Yuriy, Iliya, Dmitry and myself, we'll be there - so, who can be the presenter? Yuriy? Any other volunteers? Back to presentation, for now we have suggestion on very short intro-presentation like this> 1. who we are 2. what are we doing 3. where are we right now (stage of forming, our Proposal...) 4. why this is important for ccTLDs and gTLDs 5. why this is important for language communities at large 6. how You can join our group This presentation is 10/15 min tops. After that we could have wider discussion with all in the room. Yuriy, Yuliya, Vladimir, Daniel, is this inline with Your suggestions? Or am I wrong? Please, maybe I didn't catch everything right. And if this summary of presentation is ok with You all, I would like to ask another question - do we have a volunteers for making draft of presentation? Best, Dusan On 13.7.2015 16:37, Yuliya Morenets wrote:

Daniel,

100% on diplomacy and I would add experienced moderator.

Yuliya

Le 13.07.2015 16:18, Daniel Kalchev a écrit :

...

Dear all, I would like to second the idea that Yuliya expressed. In my opinion, the best approach would be a (very short) status update presentation, followed by wider discussion. I would not expect any direct opinion expressed, but it would serve as tasting the opinions. Cultural and language topics are very sensitive and are rarely easy to discuss in such meetings. It would be also great to involve as Vladimir suggested, a much wider language community. This is, what we lack in my opinion in general — our knowledge and view point are too much on the technical/technology/policy side. We need to solicit more language-minded partners. The ccTLDs are in general "shy". This is usually because they are already deeply involved in resolving issues such as what we deal with in this work — and they rarely appreciate being told what and how to do it by outsiders. On the other hand, ccTLD managers are one of the most experience sharing community in our business. With the right approach, it could be win-win for everybody. So.. a lot of diplomacy is needed here for good outcome. Best Regards, Daniel Kalchev Register.BG

On 13.07.2015 г., at 10:45, Yuliya Morenets <y.morenets@againstcybercrime.eu <mailto:y.morenets@againstcybercrime.eu>> wrote:

Dear Dusan, all,

I'll not be attending the event. But my understanding is that the workshop is needed when we can present a solid outcome or the progress done on something, in our case a kind of very first and consistent draft. I'm not sure we are ready to have a solid presentation of something.

But I think a roundtable or a kind of meeting where we can gather the opinion of other participants, as the event will gather the representatives of the South-Eastern and Eastern Europe, so potential experts, can be useful.

To sum up, I don't think the workshop is needed, but an open discussion in an open format can be useful for further input to the draft we have.

I hope this helps, Yuliya

Le 11.07.2015 20:01, Dusan Stojicevic a écrit :

Thank You Dmitry and Iliya! So far we can see that the desired form is presentation, not workshop. Is there any other opinion, or we can start to make together one presentation about our group? Yuliya, Nelly, Mira... Any other thoughts?

Regards, Dusan

On 11.7.2015 13:45, Iliya Bazlyankov wrote:

Dear All,

I don't feel that a special workshop is needed - most of the people follow the topic in any case, AND I don't think a workshop would fit in the agenda. But as Dmitry said, a simple presentation with status update would be good - attendees will be interested.

So Dusan, if you have the possibility, I think you should ask them for a presentation. Best regards, Iliya

On 11 July 2015 at 00:59, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> wrote:

Thank You, Vladimir! Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...?

Please, share Yout suggestion! Best, Dusan

On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote:

Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do. Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference. So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort. Best regards, Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info <mailto:yvk@uanic.info>> wrote:

Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/>

International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevanhttp://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg>

We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival>

Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> <http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/>

Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website:http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> <http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/>

If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU am.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru> <mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru>

Please be aware that registration closes on September 1, 2015.

Sincerely,

The Conference Committee

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Dusan, Sounds good. Was not aware of the format of the event, as never attended. What u propose looks constructive. I'll not be their so can't be of any help on the ground. Regards, Yuliya Le 13.07.2015 18:48, Dusan Stojicevic a écrit :

Thank You very much Yuliya, Vladimir, Yuriy and Daniel! Very Important notes.

First, as I tried to explain, there is no round tables, panels or workshops on TLDCON. Only sessions about one topic (for example IDN), with 4-5 presentations during session. After each presentation, audience ask the questions. I'm sorry, Yuliya and Daniel, but there is no opportunity for workshop, panel, or round table, and for moderator / only presenter. And this is the good time to ask You all - Yuriy, Iliya, Dmitry and myself, we'll be there - so, who can be the presenter? Yuriy? Any other volunteers?

Back to presentation, for now we have suggestion on very short intro-presentation like this>

1. who we are 2. what are we doing 3. where are we right now (stage of forming, our Proposal...) 4. why this is important for ccTLDs and gTLDs 5. why this is important for language communities at large 6. how You can join our group This presentation is 10/15 min tops. After that we could have wider discussion with all in the room.

Yuriy, Yuliya, Vladimir, Daniel, is this inline with Your suggestions? Or am I wrong? Please, maybe I didn't catch everything right.

And if this summary of presentation is ok with You all, I would like to ask another question - do we have a volunteers for making draft of presentation?

Best, Dusan

On 13.7.2015 16:37, Yuliya Morenets wrote:

Daniel,

100% on diplomacy and I would add experienced moderator.

Yuliya

Le 13.07.2015 16:18, Daniel Kalchev a écrit : Dear all,

I would like to second the idea that Yuliya expressed. In my opinion, the best approach would be a (very short) status update presentation, followed by wider discussion. I would not expect any direct opinion expressed, but it would serve as tasting the opinions. Cultural and language topics are very sensitive and are rarely easy to discuss in such meetings.

It would be also great to involve as Vladimir suggested, a much wider language community. This is, what we lack in my opinion in general -- our knowledge and view point are too much on the technical/technology/policy side. We need to solicit more language-minded partners.

The ccTLDs are in general "shy". This is usually because they are already deeply involved in resolving issues such as what we deal with in this work -- and they rarely appreciate being told what and how to do it by outsiders. On the other hand, ccTLD managers are one of the most experience sharing community in our business. With the right approach, it could be win-win for everybody.

So.. a lot of diplomacy is needed here for good outcome.

Best Regards, Daniel Kalchev Register.BG

On 13.07.2015 г., at 10:45, Yuliya Morenets <y.morenets@againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:

Dear Dusan, all,

I'll not be attending the event. But my understanding is that the workshop is needed when we can present a solid outcome or the progress done on something, in our case a kind of very first and consistent draft. I'm not sure we are ready to have a solid presentation of something.

But I think a roundtable or a kind of meeting where we can gather the opinion of other participants, as the event will gather the representatives of the South-Eastern and Eastern Europe, so potential experts, can be useful.

To sum up, I don't think the workshop is needed, but an open discussion in an open format can be useful for further input to the draft we have.

I hope this helps, Yuliya

Le 11.07.2015 20:01, Dusan Stojicevic a écrit : Thank You Dmitry and Iliya! So far we can see that the desired form is presentation, not workshop. Is there any other opinion, or we can start to make together one presentation about our group? Yuliya, Nelly, Mira... Any other thoughts?

Regards, Dusan

On 11.7.2015 13:45, Iliya Bazlyankov wrote:

Dear All,

I don't feel that a special workshop is needed - most of the people follow the topic in any case, AND I don't think a workshop would fit in the agenda. But as Dmitry said, a simple presentation with status update would be good - attendees will be interested.

So Dusan, if you have the possibility, I think you should ask them for a presentation. Best regards, Iliya

On 11 July 2015 at 00:59, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs> wrote:

Thank You, Vladimir! Others? Iliya, Dmitry, Yuliya...?

Please, share Yout suggestion! Best, Dusan

On 10.7.2015 22:31, Vladimir Shadrunov wrote: Getting additional members into the group would be indeed a good thing to do.

Unfortunately, not having been involved with ccTLDs I can't really judge whether the venue is good for this purpose. If attendance from the regions that are not covered by our group is expected, then it should probably be a good idea to organise some outreach to them during this conference.

So I trust our ccTLD members in this effort.

Best regards, Vladimir

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info> wrote:

Dear Dusan, All,

Dusan, thanks for clarification and explanation.

I confess, I missed one very important nuance - "out of the TLDCON agenda", i.e. outside the TLDCON agenda. I good remember the skeptical remark of Andrew Kolesnikov about "some special knowledge" during IDN session on TLDCON'14 :-).

So I think that in the frameworks of official program TLDCON we have not any chance for inclusion this point.

Best Regards,

Yuri

Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy, all,

I must be open as always, and I don't like this start. Let start differently, in a true MSH way, and not top down.

I want to ask the group> do we want to have presentation (workshop or session or...) on TLDCON?

The idea of workshop is questionable.

I already mentioned that I am member of PC, and the agenda (already full) doesn't include workshops at any kind.

To organize workshop - it can be in the form of one session or one side event (but TLDCON doesn't have side events).

As far as I know, there is no possibility to organize workshop, but I will try to ask them.

But, first, I want to hear from the group, and as I sad already, I will help in any way I can, if the group wants to have something on this event.

Regards,

Dusan

On 10.7.2015 20:04, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

Dear Sarmad, All, It's real good possibility to reach progress in our join work. I'm planned to be on this venue. And if we can provide Cyrillic GP workshop during TLDCON'15 it's will great. I will prepare the draft of agenda and drafts of the docs for this one. If anybody ready to contribute - welcome. One request only. I'm in vacation now until 20 July, therefore all working questions after this date. :) Regards, Yuri Friday, July 10, 2015, 8:22:00 P

Dear Yuriy, All,

This would be a good venue to present the progress of Cyrillic GP with the community and invite additional membership interest. Would Cyrillic GP members consider submitting a proposal for a workshop at the conferenc

Regards, Sarma

TLDCON 2015!

On September 8-11, 2015 in Yerevan (Armenia)

<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/> [1]

International conference for ccTLD registries and registrars of CIS, Central and Eastern Europe is being held since 2008. Annually event gathers numerous attendees from ccTLD registries as well as registrars from many countries and last year's conference attended over 100 exper

This year event will take place in Yerevan, Armenia, in Armenia Marriott Hotel Yerevanhttp://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/evnmc-armenia-marriott-hotel-yerevan/ [2]

, which is located in the center of the city. Additionally we will inform

you aboutspecial price for booking in the venue hotel for conference visitors. You can also book accommodation in any other hotel on general condition

The participation is free, but the attendees have to register<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=reg> [3]

We will also be glad to receive information regarding your flight and accommodation (you can enter this information when register on the conference or on the conference websi<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/reg/?p=arrival> [4]

Please remember that attendees have to pay transportation and accommodation fees by themselves

Armenian visa is not required for attendees from Russia, CIS countries, Schengen countries. Participants from other countries can get more information on visa support on website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armen<http://www.mfa.am/en/visa/> [5]

Additional information on TLDCON 2015 you can find on meeting website:http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/ [6]. Preliminary program is available on the conference website<http://meeting2015.cctld.ru/en/prog/> [7]

If you want to offer presentation for TLDCON 2015 agenda, please send topic and theses to Mikhail Anisimov, Coordination Center for TLD RU am.anisimov@cctld.ru<mailto:m.anisimov@cctld.ru>

Please be aware that registration closes on September 1, 2015.

Sincerely,

The Conference Committee

Natalya Petrova

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