February 2022 - gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam

Re: [gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam] [Ext] RE: Leadership for the DNS Abuse Small Team
by Steve Chan March 1, 2022

March 1, 2022

Hi Greg, In my capacity of having no authority over this group, I think this sounds reasonable! Hope this additional time allows others to also weigh in, even if it is just to note agreement. More importantly, I hope you feel better soon. Best, Steve From: "DiBiase, Gregory" <dibiase(a)amazon.com> Date: Friday, February 25, 2022 at 8:58 AM To: Steve Chan <steve.chan(a)icann.org>, "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady(a)taftlaw.com>, Justine Chew <justine.chew.icann(a)gmail.com>, "gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam(a)icann.org" <gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam(a)icann.org> Subject: [Ext] RE: [gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam] Leadership for the DNS Abuse Small Team Hi Steve, My apologies but I’m out sick today and won’t be able to review by EOD. Any way we can extend until Monday the 28th for comments? Sorry for the (very) late request. Thanks, Greg From: gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam <gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam-bounces(a)icann.org> On Behalf Of Steve Chan Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 10:15 AM To: McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady(a)taftlaw.com>; Justine Chew <justine.chew.icann(a)gmail.com>; gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam(a)icann.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam] Leadership for the DNS Abuse Small Team CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. Hello all, Following up on the message below, a couple of things. * Reminder to please review the draft outreach messages staff shared last week. From our perspective at least, the text should be pretty straight forward and hopefully accomplish the goal of getting the community groups to consider what issues around DNS abuse are most appropriately mitigated via policy development, if any. Having seen no comments or objections yet, can we suggest a deadline of 25 February 2022 for this small team, after which we could take next steps: namely, share with the full Council for non-objection and then Council leadership send the outreach messages to the various groups. * As we await input from the groups, staff believes there is some useful discussion to be had within the small team. What makes sense to us is to have the small team consider the questions that it will be asking the community. With that in mind, we’re conjecturing that the timing is rather fortuitous. We’re planning to schedule a meeting for this group the week after ICANN73, which allows you all time from now and through ICANN73 (where groups will likely be meeting and may have an opportunity to discuss their thoughts on DNS abuse) to collect inputs. We welcome your thoughts on our proposed path forward. Given that the team has expanded since the initial Doodle poll, staff will circulate a new poll separately, where we can hopefully identify a suitable time to meet on an ongoing basis. Best, Marika & Steve From: gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam <gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Steve Chan <steve.chan(a)icann.org<mailto:steve.chan@icann.org>> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 2:24 PM To: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady(a)taftlaw.com<mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com>>, Justine Chew <justine.chew.icann(a)gmail.com<mailto:justine.chew.icann@gmail.com>>, "gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam@icann.org>" <gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam] Leadership for the DNS Abuse Small Team Dear small team members, Staff took a first cut at drafting a message to some of the community groups that have shown a keen interest in the topic (i.e., ALAC, GAC, SSAC, DNS Abuse Institute), though this may not be the full list of outreach targets. There is a general outline that is mostly consistent for each of the draft messages, which first seeks to differentiate between content abuse versus the types of abuse in contracts (e.g., pharming, phishing, malware, botnets) and notes that the current Bylaws do not allow ICANN to regulate content. The aspect that varies across the letters is referencing the previous pieces of Advice or other communications the groups have provided on the topic of DNS abuse. The second part that is common across the letters is asking each of the groups to identify specific DNS abuse issues and if/why/how policy development in particular is the right mechanism to address the issues. You can see the four draft messages here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rpmBJZ5EwbztuoNH8r36lCxVo_VD4mEDwloFyEr… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1rpmBJZ5Ewbzt…> On the staff side, we were planning to schedule a call next week at the same time, where the approach for the letters could be discussed as well as the co-leads be confirmed, presumably by non-objection. However, next week is ICANN73 prep week and we do not want to create conflicts for those that want to fully participate. As such, we would suggest that the group tries to review the staff draft and refine as necessary over email. Concurrently, we can seek to schedule a meeting the week of 28 February - 4 March (targeting the Wednesday again), in the event the group cannot reach agreement on the text over email. I believe the group agreed that the next step would be to get the Council on board with the approach and text, and have the communications sent by the Council rather than the small team. If the group can reach agreement on the text before having to meet again, we can of course carry out these next steps sooner rather than later. Lastly, I would call attention to the fact that the DNS abuse small team is on the Council meeting agenda as AOB. I believe this would a great first chance for the presumed co-leads of this small team to lead :) Best, Marika & Steve From: gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam <gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady(a)taftlaw.com<mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com>> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 6:34 AM To: Justine Chew <justine.chew.icann(a)gmail.com<mailto:justine.chew.icann@gmail.com>>, "gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam@icann.org>" <gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org>" <gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam] Leadership for the DNS Abuse Small Team Thanks Justine! Mark, assuming no groundswell of opposition to our new Dynamic Duo, let’s schedule a call with Staff to find out the full extent of what we just volunteered for! ☺ Best, Paul From: gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam <gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Justine Chew Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 9:10 PM To: gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam@icann.org> Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam] Leadership for the DNS Abuse Small Team [EXTERNAL MESSAGE] +1 to the proposition for small team co-leads. My thanks for Mark and Paul for volunteering. Kind regards, Justine On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 03:19, Mark Datysgeld <mark(a)governanceprimer.com<mailto:mark@governanceprimer.com>> wrote: All, As I expressed before, I will gladly co-lead the group and help with any outstanding tasks. Best, On 02/11/2022 15:48, McGrady, Paul D. wrote: Dear Steve & Company and Fellow Small Team Members, I really enjoyed our call and I think this small team is going to be very productive. I would like to step forward and offer to serve as primary contact/chair (whatever we are calling it) for this DNS Abuse Small Team. I am happy to chair the calls and work with Staff on preparing for them and herding the action items, etc. Please let me know next steps. Thank you for your consideration. Best, Paul Taft / Paul D. McGrady Partner PMcGrady(a)taftlaw.com<mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com> Dir: 312.836.4094 | Cell: 312.882.5020 Tel: 312.527.4000 | Fax: 312.754.2354 111 E. 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If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. _______________________________________________ gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam mailing list gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- Mark W. 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**REMINDER** Doodle poll - DNS Abuse Small Team / Next call and recurring time
by Julie Bisland Feb. 26, 2022

Feb. 26, 2022

Thank you to those who have completed the doodle. If you have not yet, please complete as soon as possible. Dear all, Please complete the doodle poll below to schedule a call for the week of 14 March 2022. Once the best time is selected, the intention is to keep that time for a weekly call. Please note DST begins in the US on 13 March and in Europe on 27 March. Doodle Poll: https://doodle.com/poll/3qbf43hxfghi3xg7?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link [doodle.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/doodle.com/poll/3qbf43hxfghi3xg7?utm_sou…> Thank you. Best regards, Julie -- Julie Bisland Policy Operations Sr. Coordinator (GNSO) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Skype ID: 79613b691cb8a6c1 Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwM…> Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGN…> Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are located on the GNSO Master Calendar <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_grou…>

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Leadership for the DNS Abuse Small Team
by McGrady, Paul D. Feb. 25, 2022

Feb. 25, 2022

Dear Steve & Company and Fellow Small Team Members, I really enjoyed our call and I think this small team is going to be very productive. I would like to step forward and offer to serve as primary contact/chair (whatever we are calling it) for this DNS Abuse Small Team. I am happy to chair the calls and work with Staff on preparing for them and herding the action items, etc. Please let me know next steps. Thank you for your consideration. Best, Paul Taft / Paul D. McGrady Partner PMcGrady(a)taftlaw.com<mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com> Dir: 312.836.4094 | Cell: 312.882.5020 Tel: 312.527.4000 | Fax: 312.754.2354 111 E. Wacker Drive, Suite 2800 Chicago, Illinois 60601-3713 Download vCard<http://www.taftlaw.com/vcard/PMcGrady@taftlaw.com> taftlaw.com<http://www.taftlaw.com> This message may contain information that is attorney-client privileged, attorney work product or otherwise confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, use and disclosure of this message are prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments.

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Doodle poll - DNS Abuse Small Team / Next call and recurring time
by Julie Bisland Feb. 22, 2022

Feb. 22, 2022

Dear all, Please complete the doodle poll below to schedule a call for the week of 14 March 2022. Once the best time is selected, the intention is to keep that time for a weekly call. Please note DST begins in the US on 13 March and in Europe on 27 March. Doodle Poll: https://doodle.com/poll/3qbf43hxfghi3xg7?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link Thank you. Best regards, Julie -- Julie Bisland Policy Operations Sr. Coordinator (GNSO) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Skype ID: 79613b691cb8a6c1 Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwM…> Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGN…> Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are located on the GNSO Master Calendar <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_grou…>

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Notes & Action Items - GNSO Council Small Team - Next steps regarding DNS Abuse | Wednesday 09 February 2022 at 17:00 UTC
by Marika Konings Feb. 9, 2022

Feb. 9, 2022

Dear All, Please find below the notes and action items from today’s small team meeting. Best regards, Steve & Marika DNS Abuse Small Team – Notes 9 February 2022 Action item #1: Small team to review index of resources and indicate if there are any resources missing Action item #2: Staff support team to prepare first draft of outreach framework, including identifying questions to be asked Action item #3 – Small team members interested to lead this effort to indicate their interest on the list Welcome & introductions * No objections to recording the meeting Review of small team assignment (here<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/178587048/Small%20Team%20A…>) * Run through of small team assignment document * Main objective is to advise Council on what next steps to take on DNS Abuse, if any * What is the role of the small team in relation to outreach? No specific Operating Procedures for small teams, but Council does provide instructions and expectations. These include the expectation that outreach is conducted to groups that have promoted further policy work to better understand what the problem is that they are looking to solve and whether or not that can be addressed through policy. * Note that a number of groups have indicated that they would like the GNSO to undertake action and/or policy development, but it has not been articulated what specific problem they expect to be addressed. Better understanding of what these groups expect policy development could solve for may help determine whether or not that is within the remit for policy development or whether there are other avenues that could/should be explored. * Small team could consider a framework for outreach that is shared with the Council so they are informed about the proposed small team approach so they can indicate if there are concerns. * Outreach should not only focus on questions on what Council could be doing, but also about what the limits are for Council action. * Could the group also consider suggestions that are outside of the Council’s remit? * See also previous work undertaken by the Council. * Small team shouldn’t be stating what the problem is but hear from others. * What work can be done by the small team without it becoming a scoping team? This group is looking at whether there is a policy problem for the GNSO to solve. If the response is ‘yes’ and it is within the Council’s remit, then a scoping team may be needed, or whatever is next to get it onto the policy development path. * Should Council be responsible for outreach? Small team cannot speak on behalf of the whole Council. Consider developing a framework for outreach to be conducted, including objective of the outreach, what will input be used for, etc. Share that with Council to allow for input / non-objection. Review of GNSO focused resources on the subject of DNS abuse (here<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1VTkKU-Vqysor…>) * Note a number of efforts were undertaken by the Council / GNSO in the 2008-2012 timeframe that addressed a number of questions in relation to Registration Abuse. At the time there was not sufficient support to take a number of these efforts further forward. * If it is decided that further policy work needs to be undertaken, it may be helpful to review those efforts to avoid re-inventing the wheel, while at the same time recognizing that some may have been overtaken by recent events (for example, renewal of contracts may have resulted in updated DNS abuse provisions). * Need to factor in national legislations and possible restrictions this could imply in finding universal best practices. Continued discussion of assignment – approach to complete assignment * Next step would be putting pen to paper to frame the questions for outreach * Design outreach framework which is to be shared with the full Council * Are there small team members willing to volunteer or should the staff support team assist with putting together a first draft? * Make sure that the questions asked have not already been answered. Consider referencing existing work and/or statements that can serve as a reference for those asked to respond. AOB * Next meeting to be scheduled when draft outreach framework is available for review. * Mark Datysgeld is potentially interested to lead this effort but wants to have a better understanding on where this is going before being able to decide whether he is the best fit for this role.

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Post Call | GNSO Council Small Team - Next steps regarding DNS Abuse | Wednesday 09 February 2022 at 17:00 UTC
by Devan Reed Feb. 9, 2022

Feb. 9, 2022

Dear all, Please find the links to the audio recording, zoom recording (audio, visual and rough transcript) and chat below for the GNSO Council Small Team - Next steps regarding DNS Abuse meeting held on Wednesday, 09 February 2022 at 17:00 UTC. Audio Recording: https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/o6IVJHjqAP8xn9f5-zV0IO8v0uh2dPoRFbbYfZX07TVB… Zoom Recording (includes visual & rough transcript. To access the rough transcript, select the Audio Transcript tab): https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/oHKN7dSmamt0e8bIUpuzNUpkGX5dqLUZPQPdyPijFIfU… Chat Transcript: https://icann.zoom.us/rec/sdownload/-_tnfw4MZbPvPIC-0ciWga24jBL5o2B-2z5gMat… Thank you! Kind Regards, Devan

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Re: [gnso-dnsabuse-smallteam] [gnso-chairs] Proposed Agenda - DNS abuse small team meeting on Wednesday 9 February at 17:00 UTC
by Steve Chan Feb. 9, 2022

Feb. 9, 2022

Hooray! Thanks to Terri, the new mailing list is now active. From: Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Steve Chan via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs(a)icann.org> Reply-To: Steve Chan <steve.chan(a)icann.org> Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:33 AM To: Thomas Rickert <epdp(a)gdpr.ninja>, Mark Datysgeld <mark(a)governanceprimer.com>, Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk(a)gmail.com>, "DiBiase, Gregory" <dibiase(a)amazon.com>, Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba(a)gmail.com>, "Sebastien(a)registry.godaddy" <Sebastien(a)registry.godaddy>, Justine Chew <justine.chew.icann(a)gmail.com>, "philippe.fouquart(a)orange.com" <philippe.fouquart(a)orange.com>, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin(a)gmail.com>, Paul McGrady <mcgradygnso(a)gmail.com> Cc: "gnso-chairs(a)icann.org" <gnso-chairs(a)icann.org> Subject: [gnso-chairs] Proposed Agenda - DNS abuse small team meeting on Wednesday 9 February at 17:00 UTC Dear small team members, Thank you all for volunteering for the DNS abuse small team. Below, please find the proposed agenda. I’ve included links to the assignment form and the list of some existing DNS abuse resources, given especially that we now have some additional members in this group. FYI, we are in the process of setting up a mailing list for this group, so stay tuned for that. 1. Welcome & introductions 2. Review of small team assignment (here<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/178587048/Small%20Team%20A…>) 3. Review of GNSO focused resources on the subject of DNS abuse (here<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1VTkKU-Vqysor…>) 4. Continued discussion of assignment – approach to complete assignment 5. AOB Best, Marika & Steve Steven Chan  Senior Director, Policy Development Support & GNSO Relations Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536  Email: steve.chan(a)icann.org<mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> Skype: steve.chan55 Mobile: +1.310.339.4410 Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwM…> Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGN…> Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are located on the GNSO Master Calendar <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_grou…>

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