April 2019 - Gnso-epdp-team

European Commission comments on Phase 1 report
by Volker Greimann 06 May '19

06 May '19

Dear fellow members, the European Commission just provided very valuable and constructive insights into our reports that we would be well-advised to take into account in Phase 2: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-epdp-recs-04mar19/attachments/20190… "/The European Commission recognises this (the recommendation of purposes and association with processing activities) as a *long due and important step forward* in the ongoing reform of the WHOIS system. //Having a clear definition of the purposes for the processing of the data in the WHOIS system is an *essential pre-requisite* for ensuring a GDPR-compliant system./" "/the overall model would benefit from *making even more explicit the links between the purposes for processing personal data and the specific processing activity(ies) as well as the specific personal data items.*/" "/Accordingly, the European Commission considers that *the purposes* for processing WHOIS personal data by ICANN and/or the contracted parties *should not include enabling access by third parties*. This is also at the core of the concerns expressed for some time by the DPAs and the European Data Protection Board (EDPB), which have clarified that the purposes of ICANN and contracted parties must *not be conflated with the interests of third parties* in accessing registration data./" "/Notwithstanding the above, the European Commission would like to acknowledge that maintaining such a distinction does not per se limit WHOIS data access by/disclosure to third parties, but merely differentiates between*ICANN’s own purposes* (e.g. maintaining the security, stability and resilience of the Domain Name System) which are capable of justifying collection of the data in the first place, and subsequent processing (enabling access to and disclosing WHOIS data) for legitimate purposes pursued by third parties./" "/In the Report, Article 6(1) (f) of the GDPR is often invoked. The European Commission would like to recall that legitimate interest is one of the six possible legal bases provided under the GDPR1. (...) Specifically, the legitimate interest*needs to outweigh* the interest of the individual concerned. Given that there is an interference with the fundamental right to data protection of an individual, a balancing of interests is necessary to properly justify the reasons for such an interference. (...) The *balancing is *thus *a responsibility* (*not a prerogative*) of the data controller./" "/*Third parties seeking access also need a legal basis for processing the data*. For instance, an IPR rightholder might have a legitimate interest to gain access to WHOIS personal data in order to ensure his/her IP right is protected and not abused. The existence of *such a right needs to be substantiated and the necessity/proportionality of accessing that data ascertained*. This IPR rightholder might rely on Art. 6(1) (f)./" "/*GDPR legitimate interest cannot be used as a legal basis for data processing by public authorities*/". "/With regard to the various processing activities involved in the WHOIS system, the issue of whether they involve an *international data transfer *under the GDPR should be considered./ (...) it is also necessary to identify *an appropriate legal ground *for the international transfer" "/the current situation is affecting EU Member State *authorities’ ability* to obtain legitimate access to this data, necessary to enforce the law online, including in relation to the fight against cybercrime/" All this seems to point in a very clear direction for our path ahead with regard to the disclosure model we will be working on. More on that when we get to this part of our deliberations. -- Volker A. Greimann General Counsel and Policy Manager *KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH* T: +49 6894 9396901 M: +49 6894 9396851 F: +49 6894 9396851 W: www.key-systems.net Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 CEO: Alexander Siffrin Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.

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Proposed agenda and preparatory materials for EPDP Phase 2 Meeting #1 - Thursday 2 May at 14.00 UTC
by Marika Konings 30 Apr '19

30 Apr '19

Dear EPDP Team, Please find below the proposed agenda for the next EPDP Team meeting which is scheduled for Thursday 2 May at 14.00 UTC (call details have been circulated separately). In preparation for this meeting, we would like to encourage you to review the following materials: * EPDP Team Charter (https://community.icann.org/x/0opHBQ) * EPDP Team Statement of Participation (https://community.icann.org/x/yYWGBg) * Mind map: EPDP Team Phase 2 - upd 10 March 2019.pdf<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/105388008/EPDP%20Team%20Ph…> * Worksheet templates (https://community.icann.org/x/5oaGBg) Also, please make sure that you have reviewed the revised process for alternate participation (see email attached). Best regards, Caitlin, Berry and Marika ======== EPDP Phase 2 - Meeting #1 Proposed Agenda Thursday, 2 May 2019 at 14.00 UTC 1. Roll Call & SOI Updates (5 minutes) 2. Brief introduction to Zoom (5 minutes) 3. Welcome from EPDP Team Chair (10 minutes) a. Chair introduction b. EPDP Statement of Participation – reminder 4. Phase 2 Potential modalities of work – Marika Konings (15 minutes): 1. Scope (see mind map - EPDP Team Phase 2 - upd 10 March 2019.pdf<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/105388008/EPDP%20Team%20Ph…>) 2. Use of work sheets to ensure common understanding and agreement in relation to scope / issues to be discussed; information to be gathered; briefings to be planned; legal questions to be answered; dependencies identified, and; approach to be taken. 5. Discussion of phase 2 process, focus, timeline and expected outcomes (45 minutes) a. Each team and team member to provide their input on expectations and vision for phase 2: i. RySG ii. RrSG iii. IPC iv. BC v. ISPCP vi. NCSG vii. GAC viii. ALAC ix. SSAC x. Board liaisons xi. ICANN Org liaisons 6. Review of legal guidance obtained during phase 1 (5 minutes) * Proposed approach – Caitlin Tubergen * Discussion 7. ICANN65 planning – Marika Konings (5 minutes) * EPDP Team Phase 2 meetings planned: * Tuesday 25 June from 8.30 – 15.00 * Thursday 27 June from 8.30 – 15.00 * IRT meetings planned: * Wednesday 26 June from 10.30 – 12.00 * Travel support – Staff support team is following up with those who identified a potential need. As a reminder, requirement is that the requesting member is (1) otherwise not able to attend AND (2) no alternate is already funded to ICANN65. 8. Wrap and confirm next meeting to be scheduled for Thursday, 16 May at 14.00 UTC (5 minutes) * Proposed call schedule going forward * Confirm action items * Confirm questions for ICANN Org, if any Marika Konings Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__learn.icann.org_courses…> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_sites_gn…>.

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Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] [Ntfy-gnso-epdp-team] May and June calls / GNSO Temp Spec gTLD RD EPDP – Phase 2
by Chris Disspain 30 Apr '19

30 Apr '19

Terri, Janis, León and I are highly unlikely to make the call on 2 May as we will be in the middle of our Board workshop. Apologies. Cheers, CD > On 29 Apr 2019, at 15:43, Terri Agnew <terri.agnew(a)icann.org> wrote: > > Dear all, > > Please find attached the recurring ics attachmens for the GNSO Temp Spec gTLD RD EPDP – Phase 2 calls taking place in May and June 2019. Please download them to your inbox calendars. The details of the calls are as follows: > > Duration of each call: 90 minutes > Thursday, 02 May 2019 > Thursday, 16 May 2019 > Thursday, 23 May 2019 > Thursday, 30 May 2019 > Thursday, 06 June 2019 > Thursday, 13 June 2019 > > Email invitations for each call will be sent out closer to the date of the meeting with the first meeting on Thursday, 02 May 2019 at 14:00 UTC for 90 minutes, invite has been sent. > **Please note, these meetings will take place weekly on Thursday’s with exception of 09 May due to the GDD summit and will resume on 16 May with the weekly meetings. > > Thank you. > Kind regards, > > Terri > > <GNSO Temp Spec gTLD RD EPDP – Phase 2 .ics><GNSO Temp Spec gTLD RD EPDP – Phase 2 [7].ics><GNSO Temp Spec gTLD RD EPDP – Phase 2 [8].ics><GNSO Temp Spec gTLD RD EPDP – Phase 2 [9].ics><GNSO Temp Spec gTLD RD EPDP – Phase 2 [10].ics><GNSO Temp Spec gTLD RD EPDP – Phase 2 [11].ics><Zoom FAQ.pdf><Welcome to Zoom! - optimized.pdf>_______________________________________________ > Ntfy-gnso-epdp-team mailing list > Ntfy-gnso-epdp-team(a)icann.org <mailto:Ntfy-gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ntfy-gnso-epdp-team <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ntfy-gnso-epdp-team>

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Introductory message
by Janis Karklins 23 Apr '19

23 Apr '19

Dear Members of the EPDP Team, As I assume the duties of the Chair of the EPDP team of the second phase of the process, I would like to thank the GNSO Council for placing trust in me and appointing me to perform this important function. I also would like to pay tribute to the EPDP Team for the work accomplished during the first phase and their dedication to a task, which is far from trivial. We have a daunting task ahead, which is exacerbated by the ambiguity surrounding the precise outline of implementation of the GDPR. We will be targeting a moving object as we develop the most effective way forward. It won’t be simple, but extremely interesting from a systemic point of view. I hope that my previous experience in handling diplomatic negotiations in different circles at the UN as well as chairing the ICANN GAC from 2007 to 2010 will be beneficial for the team in advancing our objectives. I have been with the Latvian diplomatic service for the past 27 years holding different positions in bilateral and multilateral settings. From 2000 to 2007, I was Latvian ambassador to the UN in Geneva and in that capacity was chosen to lead the preparations of the second phase of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) that culminated with the adoption of the Tunis Agenda, partly devoted to global Internet governance issues. Since then my activities have been linked, directly or indirectly, with ICANN, either chairing the GAC or engaging with ICANN in different UN fora (Internet Governance Forum, WSIS Forum or UN Commission on Science and Technology for Development). At the time of chairing the ICANN GAC, I was involved in the development of the IDN Fast Track policy and opening of the GAC meetings to the ICANN community. I look forward working with the team as well as ICANN supporting staff and rely on team’s collective wisdom and desire to reach a successful outcome. As soon as all members of the team will be announced, we will start our substantive activities. Thank you in advance, Janis Karklins

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Additional updates
by Rafik Dammak 20 Apr '19

20 Apr '19

Dear EPDP Team: First, I would like to share with you that GNSO Council just approved the appointment of Janis Karklins as the new EPDP Team Chair. With that, I believe my role as acting chair ends. On other hand, I appreciate some members’ concerns that we should avoid making decisions and waiting for the new chair appointment. At this stage, we are not making binding decisions on the team’s future work plan; we are only doing some prep work during this transition phase. We are trying to organize and compile the feedback we've received so far into a digestible format to assist (1) the new chair in the leadership transition and to assist in speeding up that process; (2) the team members in communicating additional thoughts (if any) after having had time to digest the discussions from ICANN64; and (3) I and staff support team as we prepare supporting materials for the Team’s early work in Phase 2. For those who are willing, we welcome any feedback you would like to provide. Worksheet Template As outlined in my last email, the leadership and staff support team have put together a worksheet template, which is designed to assist the team in developing its work plan for Phase 2 for each issue identified on the mind map. The worksheet template outlines: (1) a description of the issue; (2) associated charter questions (if any); (3) expected deliverable(s); (4) legal questions (if any); (5) required reading; (6) requested briefings; (7) dependencies; (8) proposed timing and approach We are looking to receive any feedback on the template or on the example worksheet we circulated two weeks ago. While we hope this means you find this format helpful for our future work, we continue to welcome feedback on the template. We also thought it would be helpful to provide an example worksheet on the topic of standardized access, as this is a topic that many of you prioritized for our work in Phase 2. As previously noted, I understand our regular meetings have not yet resumed, but early feedback will allow new leadership and staff to comprehensively prepare for Phase 2. Thank you. Best regards, Rafik Dammak GNSO Council liaison

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EPDP Status update & Next Steps
by Rafik Dammak 17 Apr '19

17 Apr '19

Dear EPDP Team, I hope you have enjoyed the relative peace and quiet over the last couple of weeks. Behind the scenes, the leadership team has been working hard to prepare materials that are intended to lay the groundwork for the next steps in our phase 2 preparations. As such, we thought it would be helpful to provide you with a brief status update on these different items as well as request your feedback for some of these: 1. EPDP Team Chair selection – as you will have probably seen, the call for expressions of interest was extended to Monday 8 April. Council leadership, together with the leadership of the GNSO Council Standing Selection Committee, will meet shortly after that to review the applications received, in view of a confirmation by the GNSO Council during its meeting on 18 April. 1. EPDP Team Member / Alternate Confirmations – I’ve reached out to the chairs of the various appointing organizations to ask them to provide a confirmation of when vacant EPDP Team member and alternate slots are expected to be filled. Ideally, any empty slots are filled as soon as possible – accordingly, please work with your respective groups to ensure appointments are confirmed in a timely manner. 1. ICANN65 Meeting Planning / Resource request – as you know, we did submit a request for a possible day zero meeting. Although we have not received confirmation yet on whether or not this is possible, I have also been working with Council leadership and support staff to see how the EPDP Team could get as much time as possible within the confines of the policy meeting. However, this will require the flexibility of other groups as there is limited meeting time and space during the Policy Forum. If it is possible to carve out substantial time during the ICANN meeting, I am leaning toward that approach as several of you have indicated potential challenges with arriving a day earlier, and an extra day would obviously involve additional costs. I expect that a decision on whether or not there will be a day zero meeting will be made shortly (by 15 April at the latest) so, if possible, please hold off on booking your travel until that date. In parallel, I have also reached out to the chairs of the appointing organizations to confirm which members would need travel support to attend (and have no available alternate to replace them) to help inform the Council’s request to the ICANN Board for resources to support the initial part of our work (see also https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2019-March/022442.html). I expect this request to be finalized shortly. 1. Work plan development – thank you to those of you who responded to the different questions that came out of ICANN64. We have reviewed all of your input closely and would like to put the following recommendations forward (see also collated version attached): Working methods / prioritization: The leadership team recommends splitting the work into two work tracks/areas: 1) System for Standardized Access to Non-Public Registration Data; and 2) all other remaining issues (remaining issues from Annex: Important Issues for Further Community Action and Issues deferred from phase 1 - as outlined in the mind map updated on 10 March 2019). Priority will be given to work track / area 1, and it would be foreseen that a separate Initial Report and Final Report would be prepared for work track / area 1 and work track / area 2 items so that progress in work track / area 1 is not held up. For both work track / areas, the EPDP Team will first work online / on-list to complete the worksheets which will detail: • scope / issues to be discussed, • information to be gathered, • briefings to be planned, • legal questions to be answered, and • dependencies identified. Once the bulk of work on work track / area 1 and the implementation of Phase 1 recommendations has been completed, the EPDP Team will start focusing on work track / area 2 items. Note, however, certain work track / area 2 items contain dependencies that may need to be addressed before work can even start (for example, completion of the study in relation to natural vs. legal as foreseen in the phase 1 recommendations). If there is discrete work that can be undertaken in parallel in relation to the work track / area 2 items and there are no dependencies identified, the EPDP Team will identify these items in the worksheets so that the leadership team and EPDP Team can further review these and determine whether it is feasible to carry out this work in parallel to work track / area 1 deliberations. The leadership recommends that the EPDP Team remains flexible in its approach to dealing with the items in phase 2. Everyone seems to agree that the work on a system for standardized access to non-public registration data should be prioritized, and as such, that should be the primary focus at the start. However, there may be circumstances that could dictate a change in approach - accordingly, we ask the EPDP Team to remain open minded and work in a collaborative manner to ensure that the maximum amount of progress can be made without overloading the group and risking burn-out. Dependencies: The worksheets for each topic will be used to (1) further define the dependencies, (2) establish the expected timeframe, and (3) assign or designate responsible parties. As noted above, the worksheets should facilitate identifying discrete items for the EPDP Team or others that could be moved forward in relation to any dependencies for work track / area 2 items so that when the EPDP Team commences its deliberations on these items, all necessary information is available. Legal guidance next steps: The leadership team recommends that the legal committee is reconstituted as soon as possible, with meetings commencing shortly after reconstitution. In order to make the committee more effective, it is recommended that members have proven legal experience. Their role is not to advocate for their respective groups or positions, but to assess whether issues / questions raised by the EPDP Team are legal questions, have already been addressed elsewhere and channel any follow up to the EPDP Team's legal counsel. If at any point any member of the EPDP Team is of the view that the legal committee is going outside of its remit and/or individual members are not working for the best interest of the EPDP Team as a whole, the leadership team will review the membership structure. Target date for Initial Report: Although it is difficult to set a firm timeline at this stage due to dependencies and the complexity of work, the leadership team does believe it will be helpful to set a target date to work towards for the delivery of an Initial Report for work stream 1 for public comment. At a minimum, the target date would assist in the development of a detailed work plan based on the information in the work sheets and make a determination of whether that goal is realistic or not. At this stage, the leadership team is of the view that between 12 and 18 months is hopefully a realistic and desirable timeframe for all. Of course, this is also dependent on the resources that the group has requested and may request and whether or not these will be made available. We look forward to receiving your feedback on these recommendations. Worksheets: As outlined in the previous section, in order to further inform the development of the work plan, the staff support team has developed the attached worksheet template for your review and consideration. The idea is that by ensuring that the proper groundwork is done up front, we will have a solid basis to move forward on the different issues and will be able to work through them in a systematic way. You will find attached a completed template for one of the topics so you have a better idea of what we have in mind. Please let us know if you have any comments or suggestions for the template – I would like to request the staff support team to start developing worksheets for each of the topics on our list so we can shortly review these and make sure that we are all aligned when it comes to scope, expected deliverable, legal questions, required reading, dependencies as well as approach. 1. Review of legal guidance provided to date: Several of you indicated that as a first step, the EPDP Team should review the legal guidance provided to date in order to identify if/how it applies to the work in phase 2 as well as identify any possible follow up questions. I believe this is something that should be done with the full team, but I would like to receive your input on how this is best done. Do we schedule a couple of sessions prior to which everyone is expected to have read the memo so we can discuss? Should one member be appointed / volunteer to brief the group on a memo? I look forward to receiving your suggestions. 1. Next meeting – we do not have a confirmed time / date yet for our next meeting as I am hoping that we get confirmation soon on a couple of the items on the list above (especially items 1 and 2). However, that does not mean we cannot continue our preparations on list, so please make sure you provide your input on the mailing list and contribute to requests for input that have been circulated to date (see for example the reminder on input on the legal questions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11fCpx_FxuQSS89Z6H1pGsHy1qZJpSbUSiOzZeEe…). Looking forward to receiving your feedback. Best Regards, Rafik Dammak, interim chair and Council liaison to the EPDP Team

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ICANN Org response to question re. TSG report
by Marika Konings 13 Apr '19

13 Apr '19

Dear EPDP Team, Please find hereby the ICANN Org response to a question raised during the ICANN64 meeting in Kobe: Question: Does ICANN org plan to share the TSG’s report with the EPBD/DPAs? If so, please provide more information on the timeline. Response: Dear EPDP Team, Thank you for your question. As you may know, the Technical Study Group<https://www.icann.org/tsg> has been exploring technical solutions for authenticating, authorizing, and providing access to non-public registration data for third parties with legitimate interests. More information regarding ICANN org’s next steps following the draft technical model<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-technical-model-access-no…> shared during ICANN 64 can be found on Göran’s blog post<https://www.icann.org/news/blog/next-steps-for-the-technical-study-group-ep…> published on 5 April 2019. We’ll also add this question and response to the Q & A page on the wiki. Best regards, Caitlin, Berry and Marika Marika Konings Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__learn.icann.org_courses…> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_sites_gn…>.

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Fw: [ccwg-internet-governance] CCWG IG BRIEFING ON "ICANN, GDPR AND WHOIS"; WSIS FORUM; GENEVA; 11TH APRIL
by Ayden Férdeline 13 Apr '19

13 Apr '19

Dear all, I am sharing the attached staff-prepared summary for information purposes. This is a summary of the session held at WSIS last week where our work was mentioned. Thanks. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, April 13, 2019 12:31 AM, Nigel Hickson <nigel.hickson(a)icann.org> wrote: > Colleagues > > Good evening. Please find attached a Note of this Session held yesterday. > > Full Agenda of the Forum at https://www.itu.int/net4/wsis/forum/2019/Agenda > > Best > > Nigel

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PLEASE READ: Transitioning to Zoom
by Nathalie Peregrine 10 Apr '19

10 Apr '19

Dear all, As you may already know<https://www.icann.org/news/blog/transitioning-icann-s-remote-participation-…>, ICANN is replacing the Adobe Connect tool with Zoom. As with all transitions, there will be a learning curve for community members as well as for staff but through the tools, information and proposed next steps outlined below, we hope we can make this transition is as smooth as possible. The complete roll out is expected to be finalized by ICANN65, Marrakech, however many groups will be noticing their calls scheduled on Zoom as of next week. Please see below a few pointers which we hope will help get everyone ready. How is staff preparing for the transition? Staff has received training, has viewed training videos and has had the opportunity to go through practice runs in Zoom rooms. This should facilitate our assistance in getting you all up to speed and work with the different groups on transitioning existing practices to the zoom environment. What is available to the community to prepare for the transition? Staff is reaching out to Stakeholder Group and Constituency, as well as PDP Working Group, leadership teams to introduce them to Zoom and ensure they will be comfortable running their first sessions with this new tool. Staff will also present Zoom to community members at the beginning of each conference call to ensure all understand the different functions and how to use them. The attached Welcome to Zoom! document will be presented at the same time. SOAC Support staff will be present during each call to assist. What stays the same? (please open the Welcome to Zoom! document for a visual) Zoom rooms still show participant and chat pods. The public chat pods will be archived and circulated as per usual, the private chat content remains inaccessible to ICANN Org staff). Documents can still be viewed in the Zoom room but please note that this sharing is a screen share which means it is no longer possible to scroll through documents unless the person who is sharing their screen does so. It is possible to join the audio via audio bridge (telephone) or via the computer. Zoom VoIP quality is excellent. It will still be possible to get a dial out for those unable to connect to the Zoom room. What changes? (please open the Welcome to Zoom! And the FAQ documents) Participants need to click on the participant list and the chat to activate them. This just takes two seconds. The content of the chat only appears from participant connection time. This means if you joins 4 mins late, you will not be able to access the first 4 mins of the chat. Zoom is notified of this and is looking into resolving the issue. The entire content of the chat transcript will however be available immediately after the end of the call once it gets posted / circulated by the host. Several documents can be viewed at the same time if several staff members are screensharing, this will allow you to navigate (as applicable) to Notes, Agenda and Documents in your own time during the call. Documents will be able to be shared via the chat to allow all to download materials to their computers during the call. The mobile app does not require you to remain in the app in order to hear the zoom room audio. Please open the attached FAQ document for any additional queries you may have. If you have any comments, questions or suggestions, please let us know – our objective is to make sure this transition is as smooth as possible. Kind regards, The GNSO Team Nathalie Peregrine Manager, Operations Support (GNSO) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: nathalie.peregrine(a)icann.org <nathalie.peregrine(a)icann.org%20> Skype: nathalie.peregrine.icann Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<applewebdata://EB3A6F47-9760-400D-A39B-A7EFFC56B467/learn.icann.org/courses…> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_sites_gn…>

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Update on Day 0 Meeting
by Rafik Dammak 09 Apr '19

09 Apr '19

Dear EPDP Team, I am sending this to inform you that decision was made to not have an EPDP meeting in Day 0 prior to ICANN65. We just got an update that only half a day (in the morning) can be accommodated instead of a full day as requested. That did not make it worth the time and effort so instead Council leadership team has committed to find and allocate substantial time during policy forum in close co-ordination with other groups. Best Regards, Rafik Dammak

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