July 2017 - Gnso-igo-ingo - lists.icann.org

FOR REVIEW: Follow up on Reconvened WG call of 20 July
by Mary Wong Aug. 7, 2017

Aug. 7, 2017

Dear all, As requested, please find attached the Briefing Document that was used as one of the reference documents for the facilitated GAC-GNSO discussion at ICANN58 in March 2017. You will see that Annex A of the document (Pages 7-10) contains an outline of the legal protections afforded to the Red Cross Movement and its National Societies, and that the document includes edits made by Red Cross representatives participating in the facilitated dialogue. The Briefing Document, as well as other documents used for that facilitated discussion, such as overview slides and an agreed Problem Statement, can also be found on this wiki page housing all such documents: https://community.icann.org/x/hIPRAw. As agreed on the 20 July call, Working Group members are kindly requested to review Annex A (and any other relevant documentation they may find helpful), with a view toward continuing the discussion as to the legal basis and scope of protection for the Red Cross National Society and International Movement names on this mailing list, prior to the next Working Group call (to be scheduled for mid-August). Thanks and cheers Mary

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http://www.unicef-online.com/
by Evan Leibovitch July 24, 2017

July 24, 2017

FWIW, The site above was recently brought to my attention: http://www.unicef-online.com/ It's run out of Nigeria. Any activity that we undertake that doesn't prevent sites like this -- a clear attempt to divert public fundraising activity -- is a waste of our time and justifies any reaction that GAC can conceive. (BTW, this has been reported to local law enforcement. Without an identifiable victim, they've blown it off.) - Evan

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Recordings, attendance & AC Chat for IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDS PDP WG on Red Cross Names on 20 July 2017 13:00 UTC
by Michelle DeSmyter July 20, 2017

July 20, 2017

Dear all, Please find below the mp3, attendance, Adobe Connect recording and chat for the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names held on 20 July 2017 at 13:00 UTC. Mp3: Monark Panchal commented on ticket #563816 Hello Michelle, The request has been completed: https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-20jul17-en.mp3[mailer.samanage.c…<Monark%20Panchal%20commented%20on%20ticket%20#563816 Hello%20Michelle, The%20request%20has%20been%20completed: https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul%20 https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-20jul17-en.mp3[mailer.samanage.c…> <Monark%20Panchal%20commented%20on%20ticket%20#563816 Hello%20Michelle, The%20request%20has%20been%20completed: https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul%20 https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-20jul17-en.mp3[mailer.samanage.c…> AC recording: https://participate.icann.org/p2oezh20mo0/ The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar[gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group…> Mailing list archive: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/ Agenda Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/onfwAw ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle ——————————————— Adobe Connect chat transcript for 20 July 2017 Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the Reconvened meeting of the IGO-INGO PDP Working Group call on Red Cross Names on Thursday, 20 July 2017 at 13:00 UTC Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_… Chuck Gomes:Hello from California Heather Forrest:Hello from Tasmania! (how's that from 2 different ends of the earth, Chuck?) Chuck Gomes:I like it Heather. It's 6 am for me; what time is it for you? Thomas Rickert:just one sec Jeff Neuman:Is everyone hearing clicking Jeff Neuman:or is it just my connetion Jeff Neuman:connection Mason Cole - Donuts:I hear it too Jeff Chuck Gomes:I am hearing the clicking but it is fairly minor. Thomas Rickert:I am still hearing music on the audio bridge Michelle DeSmyter:k - I will alert the operator you are dialing in Thomas Rickert:sorry for this. Thomas Rickert:I am now waiting for the dial-out Chuck Gomes:I am on the audio bridge. Was connected quickly. Thomas Rickert:so sorry for making you wait Alan Greenberg:My audio quality really bad. Will reconnect to bridge. Alan Greenberg:I will not be able to stay for full 2 hr meeting. Heather Forrest:@Chuck - sorry, slow reply. 23:00 my local time (bedtime) Berry Cobb:Thomas, kill your AC mic, echo. Mary Wong:Please mute if you're not speaking, thanks Heather Forrest:The echo is terrible - can't really hear Marika Konings:If Thomas is on the telephone line, someone should mute his AC mic as it is open Marika Konings:looks like it is muted now :-) Marika Konings:much better! Marika Konings:I'm not on audio :- Marika Konings:Thanks for the intro Thomas :-) Heather Forrest:Happy retirement, Chuck! (funny how your retirement seems a lot like pre-retirement in ICANN-land) Steve Chan:Thomas, I'm not on audio either. ICANN GSNO Support staff. Alan Greenberg:Cannot hear heather Heather Forrest:Sorry - was my audio poor? Alan Greenberg:For me in any case! Berry Cobb:Heather, you came in faint. You might want to adjust your AC mic or consider dialing into audio bridge if you intend to contribute more on the call. Heather Forrest:Will do, thanks Berry. Quick summary: I was not on the original PDP, but as a member of GNSO Council leadership was involved in the facilitated discussion that led to the re-formation of this PDP WG. I am here mainly as an observer - happy to support as needed. Michelle DeSmyter:We do have Stephane Hankin on audio phone bridge only Mary Wong:At the time of PDP completion, there were 189 National Sociteties. Since then, one more has been added - so the total is now 190. Mary Wong:The Red Cross participants in the PDP also submitted a minority report to the Final Report. Evan Leibovitch:We also had the IOC to deal with. Mary Wong:@Evan, true - and both these orgs (RC and IOC) were the only NGOs for whom the GAC requested protections (although the PDP WG also came up with recommendations for all NGOs that appear on the UN ECOSOC list). Heather Forrest:Noting, following up on Thomas’s comment re acronyms, that the GNSO Council motion that recommended reforming this PDP WG, instructs only a review of recommendations in relation to names: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_coun… Alan Greenberg:Clearly we cannot (or should not) recommend something that is counter to the ICANN Bylaws. But I don't think that is equivalen to us having to make recommendations that have "legal basis". We cannot recommend anything counter to legality, but in theory, we do not have to have a legal basis. Alan Greenberg:ECHO!!!!!! Mary Wong:@Alan, I think what Thomas was addressing is the need for this WG (and the GNSO Council) to be clear about what the basis for protection is, should the original policy rec end up being changed. That will allow the Board to make a reasonaed decision as to whether, and what, to approve ultimately. Heather Forrest:Acronyms are not in scope per Council's motion. For the WG to consider acronyms, there needs to be a direction as such from Council. Mary Wong:@Heather, yes. And the Board request to the Council also only covered names, not acronyms. Greg Shatan:Did Stephane mention which treaty or treaties he was referring to? Evan Leibovitch:Beyond the legal and treaty issues, we (at least ALAC) also considered the real-world potential for fraud. The ICRC and its national entities engage in global fundraising, so there is a genuine possibility that use of their names within domains could be used to fraudulently solicit funds. Mary Wong:@Greg, I believe it was the Geneva Convention and the associated Protocols. Heather Forrest:It would be helpful to have circulated to the list the precise international legal provisions referred to by Stephane . Mary Wong:Conventions in the plural, I should have said Greg Shatan:Agree with Heather. Heather Forrest:Again given the complexity of the treaty language, in my view the WG should have the benefit of the actual provisions to read closely Mary Wong:Staff can circulate the briefing document that was prepared for the Copenhagen facilitated dialogue - that contains more background and informaton on the Geneva Conventions. Greg Shatan:We'll need to. see if that sets out the application of the Conventions to the particular facts at hand. Just having the language of the Conventions is only half of the task, or less. Greg Shatan:Alan, that seems to indicate some skepticism that there is a readily apparent legal basis for these protections. Evan Leibovitch:Agree with no need for indepdent advice Greg Shatan:Evan, what do you know that I don't know? Alan Greenberg:@Greg, I am not at all convinced that there is a strong legal reason for the requested protection. I believe there *IS* a strong public interest rationale for that protection. Greg Shatan:I think it would be rash to answer the question in the positive or the. negative, unless one doesn't care whether there's a legal basis for these protections. Alan Greenberg:The fact that legal protection is granted in some circumstances sends a strong message to me on the public interest perspective.. And THAT is linked to domain names Mary Wong:Does a next meeting on THursdays at this time work for all? Greg Shatan:But we don't know whether those circumstances are legally relevant to this discussion. Heather Forrest:It's late timing for Asia Pacific. Heather Forrest:But I might be the only APAC follower of the reconvened group, so it's not good reason to tinker with the timing Greg Shatan:I actually have a standing call at 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. It was cancelled for this week. Mary Wong:@Stephane, thank you - staff can assist with finding the information you mention if those were also provided to an ICANN mailing list at some point. Chuck Gomes:Thanks Thomas and all. Heather Forrest:Thanks Thomas Greg Shatan:Bye all.

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Agenda - Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections PDP Working Group (Red Cross) - 20 July 2017 @ 13:00 UTC
by Berry Cobb July 19, 2017

July 19, 2017

Dear all, Please find below the proposed agenda for the next Working Group call (scheduled for Thursday 20 July at 13:00 UTC). Excerpts of the GNSO IGO-INGO PDP Recommendations on the Red Cross, specifically #5, the GNSO Council's Resolution and the Board's Resolution are attached for reference. Agenda: (0) Roll call, Agenda bash and SOI Updates (1) Remind/clarify what the actual initial recommendation (Recommendation #5) was, and (2) Begin to discuss why and how it might be modified (scoped by the Board's and the GNSO Council's request). Thank you. B Berry A. Cobb Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers 720.839.5735 mail(a)berrycobb.com @berrycobb

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Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC
by Michelle DeSmyter July 4, 2017

July 4, 2017

Dear all, Please find below the mp3, attendance, Adobe Connect recording and chat for the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names held on 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC. Mp3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-pdp-14jun17-en.mp3 AC recording: https://participate.icann.org/p39bvnr2rpw/ The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar Mailing list archive: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/ Agenda Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/l0fwAw ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle --------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 14 June 2017 Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the First meeting of the reconvened PDP Working Group on Red Cross names on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 18:00 UTC. Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_… Donna Austin, Neustar:what's another couple of minutes on top of three years? James Bladel:Staff notes that Thomas is dialing in to the brdige. Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all avri doria:here we are again, nothing to be done about it. James Bladel:was that Michelle? Can't hear. James Bladel:? Mary Wong:Is that better? Mary Wong:Please mute if you're not speaking, thank you! Thomas Rickert, Chair:Hi all, sorry I had technical difficulties getting in. Thomas Rickert, Chair:The motion that was adopted by the GNSO Council way back when was and I guess still is the longest motion in our history. avri doria:so, were we to just accept what they want we would be done? anyone? Mary Wong:We can upload the text of Recommendation 5 as well as the Red Cross Minority Statement about these National Society names, if that will be helpful. avri doria:i am not necessarly suggesting it, just defining one possible outcome. Osvaldo Novoa:I would support this, I was opposed to the protection of the acronyms, not the full names. James Bladel:I think we may have covered most of Agenda #4. avri doria:is it correct to also assume this group gates the end of the Subsequent Procedures PDP? avri doria:i would assume it is like asking to have an exam regraded, one can lose what they had - especially any interim decsions made by the board (were there any?) Mary Wong:@Avri, the Red Cross names and acronyms are currently reserved as an interim measure - so once the Board acts on the GNSO recommendations (whether to approve or otherwise) the interim protections will go away, and the final Board approval will govern. avri doria:So, Mary, we could bring a decsion differnt from the Board's interim decsion and remove those names fro the reservation list. avri doria:agan, not recommending, just looking for the boundary conditions. avri doria:does our procedure require a round of "constituency/sg/SOAC comments" on the issues? Mary Wong:Note that following the WG's consultation, the proposal still has to be published for public comment before the Council takes a final vote. Mary Wong:@Avri, not expressly - but doesn't mean the WG or the Council can't call for these. James Bladel::) Mary Wong:We note that the Red Cross' Minority Statement (now on screen) mentions protection under international and domestic laws, and specifically highlights the adjectives in a National Society name. avri doria:how often we meeting? Osvaldo Novoa:Ok Stéphane Hankins:Is there any intention for this to be in any way discussed in Johannesburg? James Bladel:Correct. James Bladel::) Donna Austin, Neustar:Thank you to everyone for making yourselves available. avri doria:bye Osvaldo Novoa:Thank you and see you in Joahnnesburg James Bladel:Thanks, Thomas & Staff. And thanks everyone for coming back in to service after such a long break!

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