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Attendance and MP3 New gTLDs meeting - Monday 11 August 2014
by Terri Agnew Sept. 9, 2014

Sept. 9, 2014

Dear All, Apologies in the delay. Please find the MP3 recording for the GNSO New gTLDs Subsequent Rounds Discussion Group call held on Monday 11 August 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-20140811-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Thomas Rickert - NomCom GNSO Council Dan Rodgers - RrSG Katim Touray - Individual Brett Fausett - RySG Alan Greenberg - ALAC Martin Sutton - BC Susan Payne - IPC Craig Schwartz - Applicant Jennifer Wolfe - Non Commerical Dietmar Lenden - RySG Ron Andruff - BC Ching Chiao - RySG Stuart Fuller -RrSG Rubens Kuhl - RySG Markus Germann - RrSG Stephanie Duchesneau - RySG Iliya Bazlyankov - RrSG Avri Doria - NCSG Jon Nevett - RySG JC Vignes - NTAG Stephane van Gelder - BC Lucie Loos - Individual Tom Lowenhaupt - ALAC Sam Lanfranco - NPOC Tobias Sattler - RrSG Michelle Sara King - SOI Mavis Hsieh – SOI Trang Nguyen – SOI Michael Berkens -SOI Michael Palage -SOI Apologies: Oli Hope - RrSG Mason Cole - RySG Philip Corwin - BC Michele Neylon - RrSG ICANN staff: Amy Bivins Mary Wong Christine Willett Steve Chan Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-dg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-dg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/OrXhAg> https://community.icann.org/x/OrXhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 11 August 2014: Terri Agnew:Dear all, Welcome to the GNSO New gTLDs Subsequent Rounds Discussion Group on the 11th August 2014 Thomas Rickert:Hello everyone! Dan Rodgers:Hello :) Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:Hi all Bret Fausett, Interim Chair (Uniregistry, RySG, Council):We'll get started in just a minute. Terri Agnew:Ron Andruff has joined Terri Agnew:Lucie Loos has joined audio Terri Agnew:Stephanie Van Gelder and Tom Lowenhaupt has joined Mary Wong:To create or update an SOI: https://community.icann.org/x/cYLg Mary Wong:ICANN Expeected Standards or Behavior (you'll see this every time you log onto a call/meeting): http://www.icann.org/transparency/acct-trans-frameworks-principles-10jan08.… stephane van gelder:That's Stéphane, without an "i", thanks very much! Terri Agnew:Thank you, sorry about the error Terri Agnew:Michael Berkens has joined Ching Chiao (DotAsia):Steve -- are you saying that this WG will still follow the GNSO WG guidline, given it is a Discussion Group ? Terri Agnew:Sam Lanfranco has joined Terri Agnew:as a reminder, when joining Adobe Connect please sign in with your first and last name for roll call purpose Mary Wong:@Ching, not every word or section necessarily, but as a guide in terms of norms, esp in terms of participation and responsibilities of being a member. Mary Wong:For instance, this group doesn't have a formal Charter, but it might want to reach out at an early stage to other SO/ACs (which is recommended by the Guidelines) and creating a Work Plan. Terri Agnew:Tobias Sattler has joined Tobias Sattler:Hi there, sorry for being late on this call. Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:Working wihtin a WIKI is good start Ching Chiao (DotAsia):agree on the WIKI / Google Drive suggeestion, meanwhile would caution on the accessibility issue (i.e. Google Drive may be blocked by certain countries from time to time) Steve Chan:All, there is a Wiki space already created. I will review the user permissions to make sure members are allowed to contribute content Steve Chan:Wiki here: https://community.icann.org/display/DGNGSR/Discussion+Group+%28DG%29+-+New+… Terri Agnew:Michael Palage has joined Tom Lowenhaupt:I'll text it in Avri Doria:I do not see any way in which a AGB based next round can occur without prior GNSO recommendatons and Board approval. Tom Lowenhaupt:I wanted to emphasize Avri's point about the titleof the group... "subsequent application proceedures" not rounds. Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:yes Tobias Sattler:Yes Susan Payne:yes Sam Lanfranco:yes Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:this time looks good Rubens Kuhl:Australia-based people complained about the time, so we could try accomodate them better... Jon Nevett:gotta be the weekend then Rubens Kuhl:My newborn will object to the weekend idea, Jon... ;-) Tobias Sattler:Regarding a LA meeting, please don't schedule it at 7 am in morning if possible. Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:+1 Tobias Alan Greenberg:I think that whatever words we use may set mind-sets in this DG, but exactly how any further deployment unrolls is not under the control of the titles we use. Tobias Sattler:Thank you Ching Chiao (DotAsia):thanks Bret! Susan Payne:thanks, bye Sam Lanfranco:bye! Rubens Kuhl:Thanks @All, bye! Tobias Sattler:bye Dan Rodgers:Thanks, bye Markus Germann:bye Lucie Loos:thanks bye Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:Thanks Breet and all - speak in a month

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Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Reminder: Submit Issues & Nominations for Group Chair(s)
by Will Ellis Sept. 8, 2014

Sept. 8, 2014

Hi Steve I am a new joiner to this group. I often get asked when will there be a round 2 of new gTLDs. I appreciate it will be too early to answer that question yet, but it would be helpful to understand the milestones this group needs to undertake in order to have a clearer picture on the timeline to round 2. Any assistance you can offer in this area would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Will Will Ellis gTLD lead Nominet UK e will.ellis(a)nominet.org.uk<mailto:jo.golley@nominet.org.uk> t 01865 332211 m 07880 009899 [http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/NomLogoEmailSignature.jpg]<http://www.nominet.org.uk/> Nominet UK is a private limited company, registered in England and Wales. Registration number 3203859. Registered office: Minerva House, Edmund Halley Road, Oxford Science Park, Oxford, OX4 4DQ.

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Issues
by Rubens Kuhl Sept. 6, 2014

Sept. 6, 2014

It's likely I won't be able to join the next call, so if possible I would like to receive links to recordings and transcripts. I'll contribute some issues I recall in the 2012 round: 1. Lack of clear guidance to objection and CPE panelists led to inconsistent determinations 2. Lack of fee negotiations between ICANN and ICC led to unpredictable and very high fees to community and limited public interest objections 3. Lack of objection consolidation rules led to inconsistent determinations 4. Asking applicants to post letters of credit instead of additional amount to application fee led to troublesome and time-spending banking issues 5. AGB changes during process, including but not limited to vertical integration rules and RAA 2013 requirement, led to invalidation of proposed business plans 6. Lack of adherence to timelines and deadlines led to unpredictability 7. Lack of registry service provider figure led to additional costs to applicants and ICANN for evaluation 8. Lack of standing to registrants and independent objector regarding string confusion objections led to registries proposing possibly confusing strings 9. Excessive gaming protection and late rule definitions on joint applicant support led to possibly zero supported registries 10. Lack of queuing criteria led to delay 11. Lack of name collisions informing to community led to launch delays (that could be avoided by informing CAs and activating controlled interruption at Reveal Day) 12. Lack of rules to resolve indirect contention sets is still leading to delay 13. Lack of objectivity in AGB that have both historical information, rationales, process rules and instruments. AGB should be shorter reflecting only rules and procedures, referring to other documents to provide reasonings. 14. Lack of clear guidance to string similarity evaluation panels led to delays, to inconsistent determinations and to false negatives 15. Lack of model letter of credit led to multiple rounds of clarifying questions 16. Lack of detailed technical and financial questions led to multiple rounds of clarifying questions 17. Lack of clarifying questions procedures led to on-the-fly rules creation 18. Lack of change process procedures led to on-the-fly rules creation 19. Lack of guidance regarding change process relation to objections and CPE led to inconsistent determinations 20. Lack of redress mechanisms led to on-the-fly adapting of already inadequate accountability mechanisms 21. Lack of signed application agreements led to issues in jurisdictions requiring such agreements in order to do international money transfers 22. Lack of signed auction agreements at application time led to delays to start auctioning of contention sets 23. Lack of non-interactive option to submit application led to creation of complex, cumbersome and fail-prone application submission system 24. Imposing of models that only make sense to generic TLDs preventing innovation in applications of the DNS system I guess the progress of the group might remind of some other issues we faced along the process... Rubens

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Proposed Agenda
by Steve Chan Sept. 5, 2014

Sept. 5, 2014

Dear DG Members, Please find the proposed agenda for the call scheduled for 8 Sept 2014 at 14:00 UTC. Proposed Agenda Discussion Group: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures 8 September 2014 1. Roll Call / SOI 2. Discussion of Work Plan and Timelines 3. Discussion on Issues Categorization 4. Next steps / confirm next meeting Best, Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649

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Workspace and Next Meeting
by Steve Chan Aug. 19, 2014

Aug. 19, 2014

Dear DG Members, Two items for the members of the group. 1. Staff has created a workspace on the ICANN Community Wiki (https://community.icann.org/display/DGNGSR/3.+DG+Workspace) where logged in users will be able to submit comments, provide inline text, and add attachments. It is envisioned that this space can be used to collect members¹ issues for discussion at the next meeting. The email list is also available to serve as a vehicle for collecting issues. 2. The next meeting is expected to occur on Monday, 8 Sept 2014. Please complete the Doodle Poll at your earliest convenience to indicate your availability for the proposed meeting times: http://doodle.com/vk3g6hc38b6ck8sm Best, Steve Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649

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Agenda for First Meeting of the Discussion Group for New gTLD Subsequent Rounds
by Steve Chan Aug. 11, 2014

Aug. 11, 2014

Dear DG Members, Please note that the first meeting of this Drafting Group (DG) has been scheduled for Monday 11 August at 1400 UTC. We apologize in advance if you are unable to attend this call - note that all future meetings of the DG will be scheduled after the DG has had a chance to discuss the day of the week, time, and regularity of future DG calls. This first meeting will be of an introductory nature. The proposed agenda is: * Roll Call / Statements of Interest * Applicability of ICANN principles of transparency and openness * Items for initial review - GNSO Resolution forming this group, GNSO Working Group Guidelines, GNSO Policy Development Process (to serve as a reference point for the DG) * Discussion of Work Plan Review of Interim Chair's Draft Work Plan and discussion of alternatives and tools for completing work * Election of DG Leaders The DG may elect to have co-chairs or vice-chairs. Once selected, the DG Chair(s) will need to be confirmed by the GNSO Council. * Confirmation of next meeting In regards to the bullet for the Election of DG Leaders, if you would like to put forth your name for consideration for a DG leadership role in advance of the discussion during the call, please do so by responding to the group email list. The GNSO Secretariat has already send out a calendar invitation/notice, which contains details for dialing in to the call and joining the Adobe Connect virtual meeting room. Please let the Secretariat know (gnso-secs(a)icann.org) if you are unable to make the call. I look forward to speaking to you all in a week. Best, Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649

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Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] Agenda for First Meeting of the DiscussionGroup for New gTLD Subsequent Rounds
by Ron Andruff Aug. 9, 2014

Aug. 9, 2014

No need for anyone to get their knickers in a twist. This is just a 'discussion' list and some are putting ideas forward... the first call is on Monday... Enjoy the weekend everyone. RA Ron Andruff www.lifedotsport.com

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Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] Agenda for First Meeting of the Discussion Group for New gTLD Subsequent Rounds
by Bret Fausett Aug. 8, 2014

Aug. 8, 2014

On the subject of a Chair for this group, keep in mind that we are not a problem solving group, we are an issue spotting group. The Chair shouldn’t have the power to keep any issue off of the list of things for possible policy development. We are going to create a master list of everyone’s issues and then organize the list into logical segments. The GNSO Council will then take that work and vote to create issue reports and, then, working groups. The harder work will be done down the road in the policy development working groups. The Chair’s role here is really just logistical, keeping us coordinated and moving forward. Even so, to make sure everyone trusts the process, we should thinking about having Co-Chairs from various parts of the interested community. The contracted party house / non-contracted party house division of the GNSO would be one way to do it. Though we now have contracted parties in the non-contracted party house, and vice-versa, so that division doesn’t necessarily accomplish the right balance. I’m sure there are other ways of doing it. I think we should defer the election to our next call, and we can solicit statements of interest in serving after Monday's call and see where we are then. Bret -- Bret Fausett, Esq. • General Counsel, Uniregistry, Inc. 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 200 • Playa Vista, CA 90094-2536 310-496-5755 (T) • 310-985-1351 (M) • bret(a)uniregistry.com — — — — —

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Introduction
by Katim S. Touray Aug. 7, 2014

Aug. 7, 2014

Greetings from Gambia! This is a brief self-introduction, in keeping with the practice on this list. I am a former ICANN board member (2008-2011), but more importantly one who spear-headed an unsuccessful new gTLD application that sought applicant support from ICANN. In view of that experience, the woeful participation of developing countries in the current round of new gTLD applications, and the need to avoid a similar disaster in the future, I am joining this group to share my opinions with, and learn from you, and help map a sound, inclusive way forward for next gTLD application rounds. So I'm looking forward to working with all of you. Katim

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Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] Agenda for First Meeting of the Discussion Group for New gTLD Subsequent Rounds
by Oliver Hope Aug. 6, 2014

Aug. 6, 2014

I disagree. I think an interim chair will work fine. I also think it would be nice to have the first meeting before we decide on the chair, so everyone gets a good chance of an introduction before we decide. Regards Oli On 6 Aug 2014, at 18:47, "Tijani BEN JEMAA" <tijani.benjemaa(a)fmai.org.tn<mailto:tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn>> wrote: I don’t understand how the group can function for a month without a chair. Also, I don’t think we will fail finding a good chair among the already existing members. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: + 216 41 649 605 Mobile: + 216 98 330 114 Fax: + 216 70 853 376 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- De : gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org] De la part de Stephane Van Gelder Envoyé : mercredi 6 août 2014 13:56 À : Michele Neylon - Blacknight Cc : gnso-newgtld-dg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org> Objet : Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] Agenda for First Meeting of the Discussion Group for New gTLD Subsequent Rounds Michele's suggestion makes sense. Unless there's a feeling the group cannot function for a month absent leadership, which I would find surprising. Best. Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur Milathan LTD "Internet Intelligence - Strategic Advice" T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.Milathan.com<http://www.stephanevangelder.com/> ---------------- Discover The Milathan Post on http://post.milathan.com On 6 August 2014 14:01, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: Everyone should have an SOI If they don't have one setting one up is not hard .. I'd also respectfully suggest that any election / choice of DG leaders be deferred I suspect that the group's make up will change between now and September as people come back from holidays etc and become aware of the group's existence Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%C2%A0%209183072> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 12:13 AM To: gnso-newgtld-dg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] Agenda for First Meeting of the Discussion Group for New gTLD Subsequent Rounds be of an introductory nature. The proposed agenda is: * Roll Call / Statements of Interest Suggestion: only reading SoI for people that do not have GNSO SOIs (or have updates to), to shorten up this part. * Applicability of ICANN principles of transparency and openness * Items for initial review - GNSO Resolution forming this group, GNSO Working Group Guidelines, GNSO Policy Development Process (to serve as a reference point for the DG) * Discussion of Work Plan – Review of Interim Chair's Draft Work Plan and discussion of alternatives and tools for completing work * Election of DG Leaders – The DG may elect to have co-chairs or vice-chairs. Once selected, the DG Chair(s) will need to be confirmed by the GNSO Council. May I suggest that no attempt to see vice-chairs as representation of that constituency in the group ? It's so much simpler to have 2 (either chair/vice-chair, co-chair/co-chair, chair/alternate chair) leaders instead of a complex structure... since *-chairs only have coordination but no definition role, it's of no use to see too much into the roles. Rubens _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-dg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-dg(a)icann.org<mailto:Gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-dg ________________________________ [http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png] <http://www.avast.com/> Ce courrier électronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection Antivirus avast!<http://www.avast.com/> est active. _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-dg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-dg(a)icann.org<mailto:Gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-dg

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