All While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons. After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
Think about doing it the Thursday before then...I think Friday is already jamming up with important meetings. This idea about going to 4 day meetings....dunno.... On 2015-03-03 12:24, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
All
While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons.
After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday.
Regards
Michele
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Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year. On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
All
While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons.
After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday.
Regards
Michele
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Hello everyone, As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people. We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org From: "dmb@donblumenthal.com" <dmb@donblumenthal.com> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year.
On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
All
While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons.
After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday.
Regards
Michele
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I would urge looking at the 19th rather than the 26th. I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG. While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically. Take that for what it's worth. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hello everyone, As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people. We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> From: "dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year. On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: All While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons. After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social ________________________________ Blacknight Intern! et Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4299/9172 - Release Date: 02/24/15 Internal Virus Database is out of date.
Hi Guys, I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic. Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week? Thanks, Kiran From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM To: Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? I would urge looking at the 19th rather than the 26th. I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG. While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically. Take that for what it's worth. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hello everyone, As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people. We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> From: "dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year. On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: All While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons. After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social ________________________________ Blacknight Intern! et Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4299/9172 - Release Date: 02/24/15 Internal Virus Database is out of date.
Kiran: I understand where you are coming from. But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure. Besides, I can't imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find any time slots for shorter meetings during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn't present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants. Best, Philip Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hi Guys, I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic. Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week? Thanks, Kiran From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM To: Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? I would urge looking at the 19th rather than the 26th. I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG. While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically. Take that for what it's worth. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hello everyone, As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people. We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> From: "dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year. On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: All While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons. After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday. 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I understand the benefits, but frankly it's not possible. If the group is okay with eliminating voices and viewpoints, especially in a time where we are attempting to increase participation, diversity (gender, geographic, socioeconomic, etc.) and be more welcome to newcomers, that's fine, but be aware of the consequences. From: Phil Corwin [mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:34 PM To: Kiran Malancharuvil; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Kiran: I understand where you are coming from. But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure. Besides, I can't imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find any time slots for shorter meetings during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn't present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants. Best, Philip Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hi Guys, I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic. Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week? Thanks, Kiran From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM To: Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? I would urge looking at the 19th rather than the 26th. I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG. While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically. Take that for what it's worth. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hello everyone, As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people. We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> From: "dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year. On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: All While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons. After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday. 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I agree with Kiran that a short meeting or two within the usual ICANN schedule makes sense. Specifically, I think it will reduce time pressure and will increase attendance since many of us can't commit to an extra ICANN day (for expense reasons or prior obligations, or both). I also have practical concerns about another all-day meeting. Although others may disagree, my experience in LA seemed to be that we squeezed 1 hour of work into 8 hours and didn't really get down to business until the last hour. Just my 2 cents. I am open to the views of others, of course. Best, Paul From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kiran Malancharuvil Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:41 PM To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? I understand the benefits, but frankly it's not possible. If the group is okay with eliminating voices and viewpoints, especially in a time where we are attempting to increase participation, diversity (gender, geographic, socioeconomic, etc.) and be more welcome to newcomers, that's fine, but be aware of the consequences. From: Phil Corwin [mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:34 PM To: Kiran Malancharuvil; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Kiran: I understand where you are coming from. But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure. Besides, I can't imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find any time slots for shorter meetings during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn't present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants. Best, Philip Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hi Guys, I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic. Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week? Thanks, Kiran From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM To: Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? I would urge looking at the 19th rather than the 26th. I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG. While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically. Take that for what it's worth. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hello everyone, As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people. We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> From: "dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year. On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: All While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons. After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday. 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Hi Paul, for most of us, the usual ICANN schedule is packed as it is. Adding working sessions during the ICANN meeting itself will prove even more difficult than adding an extra day at the head or the tail... Volker Am 03.03.2015 um 23:58 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.:
I agree with Kiran that a short meeting or two within the usual ICANN schedule makes sense. Specifically, I think it will reduce time pressure and will increase attendance since many of us can’t commit to an extra ICANN day (for expense reasons or prior obligations, or both). I also have practical concerns about another all-day meeting. Although others may disagree, my experience in LA seemed to be that we squeezed 1 hour of work into 8 hours and didn’t really get down to business until the last hour. Just my 2 cents. I am open to the views of others, of course.
Best,
Paul
*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Kiran Malancharuvil *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:41 PM *To:* Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
I understand the benefits, but frankly it’s not possible. If the group is okay with eliminating voices and viewpoints, especially in a time where we are attempting to increase participation, diversity (gender, geographic, socioeconomic, etc.) and be more welcome to newcomers, that’s fine, but be aware of the consequences.
*From:*Phil Corwin [mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:34 PM *To:* Kiran Malancharuvil; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Kiran:
I understand where you are coming from.
But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure.
Besides, I can’t imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find any time slots for shorter meetings during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn’t present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants.
Best, Philip
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*From:*Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM *To:* Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Hi Guys,
I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic.
Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week?
Thanks,
Kiran
*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Corwin *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM *To:* Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
I would urge looking at the 19^th rather than the 26^th .
I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG.
While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically.
Take that for what it’s worth.
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*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Hello everyone,
As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people.
We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
Email: mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
*From: *"dmb@donblumenthal.com <mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com <mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> *Date: *Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 *To: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year.
On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote:
All
While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons.
After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday.
Regards
Michele
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Thanks Volker. I understand how busy ICANN meetings are. Like you, this isn't my first rodeo. I just am having a difficult time understanding what is so different/pressing/complex about our work such that it can't be done within the regular confines of the ICANN meeting. Lots of folks working on lots more pressing and complex matters seem to be able to get staff to identify times to meet on the calendar. The disappointing attendance at Singapore may have more to do with how long before the meeting our session was scheduled rather than when the meeting was scheduled. If it is planned for months rather than weeks or days, people can plan their other meetings around the time and protect it. From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 4:01 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hi Paul, for most of us, the usual ICANN schedule is packed as it is. Adding working sessions during the ICANN meeting itself will prove even more difficult than adding an extra day at the head or the tail... Volker Am 03.03.2015 um 23:58 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.: I agree with Kiran that a short meeting or two within the usual ICANN schedule makes sense. Specifically, I think it will reduce time pressure and will increase attendance since many of us can't commit to an extra ICANN day (for expense reasons or prior obligations, or both). I also have practical concerns about another all-day meeting. Although others may disagree, my experience in LA seemed to be that we squeezed 1 hour of work into 8 hours and didn't really get down to business until the last hour. Just my 2 cents. I am open to the views of others, of course. Best, Paul From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kiran Malancharuvil Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:41 PM To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? I understand the benefits, but frankly it's not possible. If the group is okay with eliminating voices and viewpoints, especially in a time where we are attempting to increase participation, diversity (gender, geographic, socioeconomic, etc.) and be more welcome to newcomers, that's fine, but be aware of the consequences. From: Phil Corwin [mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:34 PM To: Kiran Malancharuvil; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Kiran: I understand where you are coming from. But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure. Besides, I can't imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find any time slots for shorter meetings during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn't present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants. Best, Philip Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hi Guys, I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic. Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week? Thanks, Kiran From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM To: Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? I would urge looking at the 19th rather than the 26th. I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG. While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically. Take that for what it's worth. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hello everyone, As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people. We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> From: "dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year. On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: All While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons. After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday. 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Hi folks. Sorry for coming late to this thread, but I was off the grid last week. Like Kiran, I am opposed to extending the ICANN calendar. While I agree that we made significant progress in Los Angeles, other groups (esp. relating to the IANA transfer) are already discussing pre- (Thurs/Fri) and post- (Fri) ICANN dates. ICANN meetings are starting to become 10- 12 day affairs (two weeks with travel), and it’s getting a bit ridiculous. Thanks— J. From: <McGrady>, "Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 15:14 To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>>, PPSAI WG <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Thanks Volker. I understand how busy ICANN meetings are. Like you, this isn’t my first rodeo. I just am having a difficult time understanding what is so different/pressing/complex about our work such that it can’t be done within the regular confines of the ICANN meeting. Lots of folks working on lots more pressing and complex matters seem to be able to get staff to identify times to meet on the calendar. The disappointing attendance at Singapore may have more to do with how long before the meeting our session was scheduled rather than when the meeting was scheduled. If it is planned for months rather than weeks or days, people can plan their other meetings around the time and protect it. From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 4:01 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hi Paul, for most of us, the usual ICANN schedule is packed as it is. Adding working sessions during the ICANN meeting itself will prove even more difficult than adding an extra day at the head or the tail... Volker Am 03.03.2015 um 23:58 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.: I agree with Kiran that a short meeting or two within the usual ICANN schedule makes sense. Specifically, I think it will reduce time pressure and will increase attendance since many of us can’t commit to an extra ICANN day (for expense reasons or prior obligations, or both). I also have practical concerns about another all-day meeting. Although others may disagree, my experience in LA seemed to be that we squeezed 1 hour of work into 8 hours and didn’t really get down to business until the last hour. Just my 2 cents. I am open to the views of others, of course. Best, Paul From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kiran Malancharuvil Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:41 PM To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? I understand the benefits, but frankly it’s not possible. If the group is okay with eliminating voices and viewpoints, especially in a time where we are attempting to increase participation, diversity (gender, geographic, socioeconomic, etc.) and be more welcome to newcomers, that’s fine, but be aware of the consequences. From: Phil Corwin [mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:34 PM To: Kiran Malancharuvil; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Kiran: I understand where you are coming from. But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure. Besides, I can’t imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find any time slots for shorter meetings during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn’t present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants. Best, Philip Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hi Guys, I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic. Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week? Thanks, Kiran From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM To: Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? I would urge looking at the 19th rather than the 26th. I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG. While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically. Take that for what it’s worth. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hello everyone, As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people. We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> From: "dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year. On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: All While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons. After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social ________________________________ Blacknight Intern! et Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ________________________________ No virus found in this message. 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Kiran, I see your point about burnout from an extra day. We also probably will lose people because they can't afford additional travel expenses. However, the last two ICANN meetings, particularly SIN, showed that we already lose important contributors to conflicts for our sessions during the ICANN week. Client and employer demands, and general "I'm up to my ears in this stuff already and can catch up later" attitudes often trump the WG. In addition, based on experience, announcing closed meetings during the week (assuming we continue with that F2F model) invite the aggravation of having to explain why. I'm not a fan of an extra day. However, I think it's the only way to get the critical mass and focus that makes the F2F worthwhile. Don On 3/3/2015 5:40 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:
I understand the benefits, but frankly it’s not possible. If the group is okay with eliminating voices and viewpoints, especially in a time where we are attempting to increase participation, diversity (gender, geographic, socioeconomic, etc.) and be more welcome to newcomers, that’s fine, but be aware of the consequences.
*From:*Phil Corwin [mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:34 PM *To:* Kiran Malancharuvil; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org *Subject:* RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Kiran:
I understand where you are coming from.
But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure.
Besides, I can’t imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find any time slots for shorter meetings during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn’t present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants.
Best, Philip
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*From:*Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM *To:* Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Hi Guys,
I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic.
Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week?
Thanks,
Kiran
*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Corwin *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM *To:* Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
I would urge looking at the 19^th rather than the 26^th .
I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG.
While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically.
Take that for what it’s worth.
The real question though is -- for what purpose? I can understand all-day F2F meeting when we are in the throes of issues and development - but won't our report be out by then? Best, Kathy :
Kiran,
I see your point about burnout from an extra day. We also probably will lose people because they can't afford additional travel expenses.
However, the last two ICANN meetings, particularly SIN, showed that we already lose important contributors to conflicts for our sessions during the ICANN week. Client and employer demands, and general "I'm up to my ears in this stuff already and can catch up later" attitudes often trump the WG. In addition, based on experience, announcing closed meetings during the week (assuming we continue with that F2F model) invite the aggravation of having to explain why.
I'm not a fan of an extra day. However, I think it's the only way to get the critical mass and focus that makes the F2F worthwhile.
Don
On 3/3/2015 5:40 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:
I understand the benefits, but frankly it’s not possible. If the group is okay with eliminating voices and viewpoints, especially in a time where we are attempting to increase participation, diversity (gender, geographic, socioeconomic, etc.) and be more welcome to newcomers, that’s fine, but be aware of the consequences.
*From:*Phil Corwin [mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:34 PM *To:* Kiran Malancharuvil; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org *Subject:* RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Kiran:
I understand where you are coming from.
But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure.
Besides, I can’t imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find any time slots for shorter meetings during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn’t present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants.
Best, Philip
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*Suite 1050*
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*202-559-8750/Fax*
*202-255-6172/cell*
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*From:*Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM *To:* Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Hi Guys,
I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic.
Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week?
Thanks,
Kiran
*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Corwin *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM *To:* Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
I would urge looking at the 19^th rather than the 26^th .
I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG.
While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically.
Take that for what it’s worth.
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Hi Kathy and everyone, Assuming the WG continues to make good progress, the revised time line in the updated Work Plan that was circulated recently has the Initial Report out for public comment - for a minimum period of 40 days - sometime in mid- (or possibly late) April. This will allow the WG to begin its review of public comments received during the lead-up to the Buenos Aires meeting, such that a F2F session there can be helpful to the WG¹s preparations for its formal Consensus Call and Final Report. I hope this helps. Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 10:27 To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
The real question though is -- for what purpose? I can understand all-day F2F meeting when we are in the throes of issues and development - but won't our report be out by then?
Best, Kathy :
Kiran,
I see your point about burnout from an extra day. We also probably will lose people because they can't afford additional travel expenses.
However, the last two ICANN meetings, particularly SIN, showed that we already lose important contributors to conflicts for our sessions during the ICANN week. Client and employer demands, and general "I'm up to my ears in this stuff already and can catch up later" attitudes often trump the WG. In addition, based on experience, announcing closed meetings during the week (assuming we continue with that F2F model) invite the aggravation of having to explain why.
I'm not a fan of an extra day. However, I think it's the only way to get the critical mass and focus that makes the F2F worthwhile.
Don
On 3/3/2015 5:40 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:
I understand the benefits, but frankly it¹s not possible. If the group is okay with eliminating voices and viewpoints, especially in a time where we are attempting to increase participation, diversity (gender, geographic, socioeconomic, etc.) and be more welcome to newcomers, that¹s fine, but be aware of the consequences.
From: Phil Corwin [mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:34 PM To: Kiran Malancharuvil; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Kiran:
I understand where you are coming from.
But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure.
Besides, I can¹t imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find any time slots for shorter meetings during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn¹t present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants.
Best, Philip
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From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Hi Guys,
I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic.
Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week?
Thanks,
Kiran
From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM To: Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
I would urge looking at the 19th rather than the 26th.
I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG. While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically.
Take that for what it¹s worth.
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Kiran We all have obligations, both personal and professional At this juncture I think we're all just examining possibilities To be frank I wasn't aware that a face to face meeting in BA was a possibility until earlier today In my own experience I find them to be very helpful, even if only a subset of the larger group can attend in person. Having said that, shouldn't we conduct a Doodle poll to see how many people can or cannot attend a face to face meeting? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://www.blacknight.press/ - get all our latest media releases & coverage http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kiran Malancharuvil Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 10:26 PM To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hi Guys, I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic. Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week? Thanks, Kiran From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM To: Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? I would urge looking at the 19th rather than the 26th. I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG. While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically. Take that for what it's worth. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Hello everyone, As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people. We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> From: "dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com<mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face? Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year. On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: All While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons. After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday. 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I believe Mary said she was going to check back with the calendar and then do the doodle....Calendar for Friday is already getting jammed. SUch busy lives we live. :-) SP On 2015-03-03 17:53, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Kiran
We all have obligations, both personal and professional
At this juncture I think we’re all just examining possibilities
To be frank I wasn’t aware that a face to face meeting in BA was a possibility until earlier today
In my own experience I find them to be very helpful, even if only a subset of the larger group can attend in person.
Having said that, shouldn’t we conduct a Doodle poll to see how many people can or cannot attend a face to face meeting?
Regards
Michele
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*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Kiran Malancharuvil *Sent:* Tuesday, March 3, 2015 10:26 PM *To:* Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Hi Guys,
I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic.
Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week?
Thanks,
Kiran
*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Corwin *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM *To:* Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
I would urge looking at the 19^th rather than the 26^th .
I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG.
While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically.
Take that for what it’s worth.
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*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Hello everyone,
As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people.
We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
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Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
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*From: *"dmb@donblumenthal.com <mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com <mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> *Date: *Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 *To: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year.
On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote:
All
While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons.
After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday.
Regards
Michele
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I agree with Kiran that adding time may exclude the ability of some members to be heard during these meetings. From personal experience, I remember arriving near the end of the Friday meeting in LA and my ears were ringing when I heard about all the things that had already "been agreed upon" by the members present. OTOH, I appreciate the usefulness of these sessions for substantial discussions that can go deeper than the weekly one hour calls. I therefore support the additional day, but would encourage not to declare agreement on various contentious issues when some members have not even had a chance to be heard on these. "Discuss, not decide!", should be the general sense of this meeting. I do not support Kirans other suggestion though, as our weekly schedules are full enough with ICANN as it stands, and we all have day jobs (and a private life) too... Volker Am 03.03.2015 um 23:25 schrieb Kiran Malancharuvil:
Hi Guys,
I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule. Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible. Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic.
Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week?
Thanks,
Kiran
*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Corwin *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM *To:* Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
I would urge looking at the 19^th rather than the 26^th .
I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG.
While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically.
Take that for what it’s worth.
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*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Hello everyone,
As mentioned on the call, policy staff are currently checking to see what other meetings have already been scheduled for Friday 19 June that may involve a number of our WG and/or GNSO participants. Assuming there is no major conflict found, we will follow up with a Doodle poll to see which day/date works best for most people.
We thought we should also note that it will likely be very difficult to try to schedule the WG face-to-face meeting for Thursday 18 June (rather than Friday 19 or Friday 26 June), since that will likely add substantially to the travel costs for many people who have not been planning to be in Buenos Aires much before the actual start of the ICANN meeting or who are not otherwise supported travelers for the GNSO weekend sessions. As such, we suggest that the choices for the poll should be limited to one or the other Friday if possible.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
Email: mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
*From: *"dmb@donblumenthal.com <mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>" <dmb@donblumenthal.com <mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com>> *Date: *Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 14:11 *To: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?
Agreed. I also think that being able to follow up on issues during the ICANN week was useful last year.
On March 3, 2015 12:24:00 PM EST, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote:
All
While I am in favour of a face to face meeting like we had in LA, I would be opposed to holding it after the main ICANN meeting for a variety of reasons.
After a full week of meetings (many of us have activities scheduled over the weekend prior to the official opening) most of us are exhausted by Thursday and probably wouldn't be mentally or physically at our best for a productive meeting on the Friday.
Regards
Michele
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Don M. Blumenthal
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