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Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Updated Sub Team 4 report w/ attachments
by Mary Wong Oct. 13, 2015

Oct. 13, 2015

Thanks for the quick turnaround on the documents, Kathy! I will forward these to the WG but please note that I thought it might be helpful to to add a comment to the draft report, on the DMCA point you have in there, to note that inclusion of this reference is still under discussion by the WG (since that was the last point raised in the Sub Team call on Friday). Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 14:07 To: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady(a)winston.com>, "gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org" <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org> Subject: Fwd: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Updated Sub Team 4 report w/ attachments > Hi All, And here are the attached slightly edited files that I think are ready > for the WG! > Safe travels to Dublin! > Kathy > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Updated Sub Team 4 report > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:04:40 -0400 > From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com> <mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com> > To: Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org> <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> , McGrady, > Paul D. <PMcGrady(a)winston.com> <mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> , > gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org> <mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> > > Hi Mary, > I would be willing to accept circulation of the following attached and lightly > edited Subteam 4 Report and Summary. This is revised slightly to include: > 1) that the Data Metrics might be appropriate (as we have not seen it and it > has not been adopted) > 2) and the noncontroversial parts of Category F and G. We did this work and it > should be in the summary recommendation listing. > 3) We also discussed extensively a mention in the final report of the many > comments asking us NOT to adopt an accreditation system, and that we > acknowledge their existence. > > With the attached slight edited files (2), I would approve this going to the > full WG. > > Best, > Kathy > > ps. Updated text for E, F and G. > > > Category E: Additional Reasons For/Against the Accreditation Program > > 1. We believe that the WG has addressed this concern adequately to date, in > particular if the WG proceeds to recommend post-implementation review as > described in Category D. The Sub Team notes that such a review could address > the questions raised by many commenters as to the need and justification for > an Accreditation Program. The Sub Team notes that short summary of the many > comments expressing concern over creation of an accreditation process should > be reflected briefly in the final report. > > Category F Additional due process concerns not already covered by other Sub > Teams > 1. The WG should also consider which law it deems should apply to the > Request: the law of the P/P customer¹s location, the law of the P/P > provider¹s location (likely the law mentioned in the agreement with the > customer, the law of the location of the aggrieved party. > > > Category G: Other specific topics within WG scope not captured by the above > categories. > > 1. Consider the whole of the final report in context to review, assess > (and correct as needed) whether ³due process² has been incorporated at every > stage of the processes being created. > > > On 10/13/2015 1:36 PM, Mary Wong wrote: >> Hello again everyone, >> >> In view of the time and Paul¹s travel today, perhaps I can circulate what we >> have now to the full WG, as always with the caveat that the documents have >> not been reviewed by the Sub Team and with the further note that they do not >> as yet cover Categories F and G. That will allow the Sub Team to keep >> discussing these two categories, as necessary, and you can suggest focusing >> the WG discussion in Dublin on the first few categories (as I think no more >> than an hour has been allocated by the co-chairs for the session covering the >> Sub Team report). >> >> Cheers >> Mary >> >> Mary Wong >> Senior Policy Director >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) >> Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 >> Email: <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> mary.wong(a)icann.org >> >> >> From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady(a)winston.com> >> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 12:38 >> To: Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com>, "gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org" >> <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org> >> Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai4] Updated Sub Team 4 report >> >>> I leave for the airport for Dublin in about 3 hours, so I¹m not sure what >>> can be finalized on the other categories before then. I think we need to >>> get what we have to the full WG today so that they have time to think it >>> through. We can always supplement later. >>> >>> Best, >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: <mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org> gnso-ppsai4-bounces(a)icann.org >>> [mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 11:02 AM >>> To: gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org; Mary Wong >>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Updated Sub Team 4 report >>> >>> Hi Mary and All, >>> I think we should finalize F and G before we circulate to the full WG. I'll >>> circulate something to our subteam in a bit. >>> >>> Best, >>> Kathy >>> >>> On 10/13/2015 10:57 AM, Mary Wong wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello members of Sub Team 4, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The WG co-chairs would like to finalize the Dublin F2F meeting agenda, >>>> including sending out the updated Sub Team report before the end of the >>>> day. If there are no objections, I¹ll proceed to do so with, of course, all >>>> the usual caveats. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kathy and Paul, how do you want to approach the topics that we did not >>>> manage to cover on the Friday call (Categories F and G)? Perhaps Sub Team >>>> members can send their thoughts, concerns and comments to this list before >>>> the Dublin F2F meeting to kickstart an email discussion so that you can >>>> determine how best to present those topics? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks and cheers >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mary Wong >>>> >>>> Senior Policy Director >>>> >>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) >>>> >>>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 >>>> >>>> Email: <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> >>>> mary.wong(a)icann.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org> >>>> Date: Monday, October 12, 2015 at 18:18 >>>> To: <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org> >>>> Cc: 'PPSAI Chairs' < <mailto:gnso-ppsai-chairs@icann.org> >>>> gnso-ppsai-chairs(a)icann.org> >>>> Subject: Updated Sub Team 4 report >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear WG chairs and Sub Team 4 members, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As requested by the Sub Team 4 members who were able to participate in the >>>>> Friday call, I¹ve updated the Sub Team 4 report to reflect that >>>>> discussion. Please note that this document has not yet been reviewed by >>>>> any Sub Team 4 member, and represents staff¹s attempt to capture the gist >>>>> of the Friday discussion. I have accepted all the changes from Categories >>>>> A through E that were in the last version circulated by Kathy (version 3), >>>>> so this document (version 4) shows the changes I¹ve made in those five >>>>> categories, while retaining all the previous changes and comments that are >>>>> in Category F and Category G, which the Sub Team did not get through on >>>>> Friday. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also attached is a summary document that contains only the recommendations >>>>> and conclusions from the draft Sub Team report (as updated). I am >>>>> including this as I thought it may make it easier for Don, Steve and >>>>> Graeme to review, to see where things are. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Don, Steve and Graeme please note that several items have been flagged >>>>> for further WG discussion, and have been marked as such in both documents. >>>>> While each recommendation should certainly be reviewed by all WG members, >>>>> these flagged items represent either topics where the Sub Team has not yet >>>>> come to agreement or otherwise believes the topic should be brought back >>>>> to the full WG. Of these topics, I believe that on the Friday call the >>>>> group highlighted the question as to whether accreditation could lead to >>>>> the loss of the right to counsel (Category D-2) as being the one item >>>>> likely to be most usefully discussed at the Friday face to face meeting. >>>>> Another topic that could be raised at the Friday meeting is the question >>>>> of penalties for repetitive abuses of the program (Category C-2). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kathy, Paul, Vicky and all can you confirm or otherwise highlight, the >>>>> topics that you think would benefit particularly from a WG discussion on >>>>> Friday? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and cheers >>>>> >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mary Wong >>>>> >>>>> Senior Policy Director >>>>> >>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) >>>>> >>>>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 >>>>> >>>>> Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gnso-ppsai4 mailing list >>>> Gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org >>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai4 >>> >>> >>> The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, >>> if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading >>> it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable >>> privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of >>> the author. > > > >

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Updated Sub Team 4 report
by Mary Wong Oct. 13, 2015

Oct. 13, 2015

Dear WG chairs and Sub Team 4 members, As requested by the Sub Team 4 members who were able to participate in the Friday call, I¹ve updated the Sub Team 4 report to reflect that discussion. Please note that this document has not yet been reviewed by any Sub Team 4 member, and represents staff¹s attempt to capture the gist of the Friday discussion. I have accepted all the changes from Categories A through E that were in the last version circulated by Kathy (version 3), so this document (version 4) shows the changes I¹ve made in those five categories, while retaining all the previous changes and comments that are in Category F and Category G, which the Sub Team did not get through on Friday. Also attached is a summary document that contains only the recommendations and conclusions from the draft Sub Team report (as updated). I am including this as I thought it may make it easier for Don, Steve and Graeme to review, to see where things are. Don, Steve and Graeme please note that several items have been flagged for further WG discussion, and have been marked as such in both documents. While each recommendation should certainly be reviewed by all WG members, these flagged items represent either topics where the Sub Team has not yet come to agreement or otherwise believes the topic should be brought back to the full WG. Of these topics, I believe that on the Friday call the group highlighted the question as to whether accreditation could lead to the loss of the right to counsel (Category D-2) as being the one item likely to be most usefully discussed at the Friday face to face meeting. Another topic that could be raised at the Friday meeting is the question of penalties for repetitive abuses of the program (Category C-2). Kathy, Paul, Vicky and all can you confirm or otherwise highlight, the topics that you think would benefit particularly from a WG discussion on Friday? Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org

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Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] [gnso-secs] PPSAI Subteam 4 Transcription 9 October 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine Oct. 12, 2015

Oct. 12, 2015

Forwarding to Graeme! On 10/12/15, 10:31 PM, "owner-gnso-secs(a)icann.org on behalf of Nathalie Peregrine" <owner-gnso-secs(a)icann.org on behalf of nathalie.peregrine(a)icann.org> wrote: >Dear all, > >Please find attached the transcript of the PPSAI sub team 4 call held on >Friday 9 October 2015 > >Kind regards > >Nathalie >

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PPSAI Subteam 4 Transcription 9 October 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine Oct. 12, 2015

Oct. 12, 2015

Dear all, Please find attached the transcript of the PPSAI sub team 4 call held on Friday 9 October 2015 Kind regards Nathalie

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MP3 PPSAI WG chairs-Sub Team 4 on 09 October 2015 at 20:30 UTC
by Terri Agnew Oct. 10, 2015

Oct. 10, 2015

Dear All, Please find below the attendance and MP3 recording for the PPSAI WG -Sub Team 4 call - Friday, 09 October 2015 at 20:30 UTC Transcription will be sent upon receipt. MP3: https://icann.box.com/shared/static/l5uygs0pzp5awemncxy3fqpa5bljszbo.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=zZ8xDDIU4PY795Cika7Nmy-2FNugFnAwo9a…> Attendees: Kathy Kleiman - NCSG Paul McGrady - IPC Stephanie Perrin - NCSG Vicky Sheckler - IPC Apologies: James Gannon - NCUC ICANN staff: Terri Agnew Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Friday, 09 October 2015 Terri Agnew:Dear all, Welcome to the PPSAI WG chairs-Sub Team 4 call is scheduled for Friday 9 October 2015 Kathy Kleiman:Kathy is K Kathy Kleiman:hi paul Paul McGrady:I've dialed back in on my mobile. Mary Wong:@Vicky, I checked the 6 Oct transcript - no mention of PSWG that I could find. Mary Wong:@Kathy, is this the part of the CDT comment you meant? "Further, within a short period after adoption and implementation of the final rules, ICANN should implement a mandatory review process to survey customers to understand the impact of disclosures made pursuant to the requirements ICANN has imposed. In addition, ICANN should seek to assess on a continuing basis whether these rules create a chilling effect on online speech." Kathy Kleiman:yes Kathy Kleiman:tx Mary Wong:ICANN really cannot enforce against requesters, customers or registrants. Mary Wong:And if the recommendation is limited to providers, this should probably be discussed as part of WG review of Deaccreditation recommendations? Mary Wong:(though yes, there will be pushback from providers if so)

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Please note time of call at 2030 not 2000 UTC (Re: two docs for our discussion at 4pm Eastern today)
by Mary Wong Oct. 9, 2015

Oct. 9, 2015

Dear all, Please note that the time of the Sub Team call today was set at 2030 UTC, or 4.30 p.m. US Eastern time, as that seemed to be the preferred time. Thanks and cheers Mary -----Original Message----- From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady(a)winston.com> Date: Friday, October 9, 2015 at 11:16 To: Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com>, "gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org" <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org> Subject: RE: two docs for our discussion at 4pm Eastern today >I wonder if what we really want is a fresh "Executive Summary" document >that makes reference to the comment gathering template and the draft >summary circulated last week. We can then parse out the specific >recommendations that we agree on and set forth the identified >alternatives when we don't agree on them. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com] >Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 9:53 AM >To: McGrady, Paul D.; gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org; Mary Wong >Subject: two docs for our discussion at 4pm Eastern today > >Hi Paul, >I wanted to suggest that we have ready two documents today. The one I >think we may want to work with is the draft with your work, my edits and >Vicky's edits because it shows all of the history and "track changes." >I am sending Mary, and all, both this version (10/4) and the interim >draft we presented to the WG (10/6). If there is anything else you would >like to add, please do! > >Mary, >Could you please have both of the attached version ready to share in the >Adobe today? All - the versions are unchanged from the last time they >were shared and circulated (except that I added some descriptive >information at the top of each one). > >Best, >Kathy > > >The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. >Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it >without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive >any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without >the permission of the author.

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two docs for our discussion at 4pm Eastern today
by Kathy Kleiman Oct. 9, 2015

Oct. 9, 2015

Hi Paul, I wanted to suggest that we have ready two documents today. The one I think we may want to work with is the draft with your work, my edits and Vicky's edits because it shows all of the history and "track changes." I am sending Mary, and all, both this version (10/4) and the interim draft we presented to the WG (10/6). If there is anything else you would like to add, please do! Mary, Could you please have both of the attached version ready to share in the Adobe today? All - the versions are unchanged from the last time they were shared and circulated (except that I added some descriptive information at the top of each one). Best, Kathy

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CONFIRM Sub Team meeting on Friday 9 October?
by Mary Wong Oct. 9, 2015

Oct. 9, 2015

Dear all, Just checking in to confirm that the GNSO Secretariat should go ahead to confirm the suggested meeting at 2030 UTC on Friday 9 October. If so, I¹ll coordinate with one of our US-based Secretariat team to make sure they can organize and support the call, and send you all a calendar invitation. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org From: <gnso-ppsai4-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 13:53 To: Victoria Sheckler <vsheckler(a)riaa.com>, "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady(a)winston.com>, "gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org" <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Subteam 4 - Friday Meeting?! + Master Template Full > How about 4pm or 4:30pm Eastern on Friday? 4:30pm is better for me, but I > know people may be leaving the office. James G and Stephanie will join us if > they can. > > Also, All, attached please find the completed template with Stephanie's > section now incorporated. I will let you review it and then ask Mary to post > it on the ICANN Wiki PPSAI Subteam 4 page as a record of our work. > > Best, > Kathy > > On 10/7/2015 6:32 AM, Victoria Sheckler wrote: >> I can do after 2:30 eastern on Friday. >> >> >> From:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org] On >> Behalf Of McGrady, Paul D. >> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 10:10 PM >> To: Kathy Kleiman; gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org >> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Subteam 4 - Friday Meeting?! >> >> Thanks Kathy. I too am available after 1pm Eastern until about 6pm Eastern. >> >> >> >> >> From:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org] On >> Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman >> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 7:45 PM >> To: gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org >> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai4] Subteam 4 - Friday Meeting?! >> Importance: High >> >> >> Hi All, >> You heard the marching orders today - agreement on our Subteam 4 >> recommendations. We'll keep the call under an hour - but can you join us on >> Friday? After 1pm Eastern is best for me. What's good for you? >> >> Best, >> Kathy >> : >>> WG Generally: Just to echo what was said on the call this morning and in >>> prior emails, if you believe there is an item on the draft SubTeam Report >>> that has already been dealt with by another SubTeam, please: 1. Let us >>> know and 2. Let us know how it was resolved. That way we can compare the >>> issue & resolution to the respective public comment(s) and scratch it from >>> the list if appropriate. So that SubTeam 4 doesn¹t spit its wheels >>> unnecessarily, I am asking that any such items be identified by midnight UCT >>> on Thursday. Thanks! >>> >>> SubTeam 4: Please write to <mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> >>> gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org and let the SubTeam know about your availability for a >>> call on Friday after 11am Eastern. Thanks! >>> >>> Best to all, >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> Paul D. McGrady Jr. >>> Partner >>> Chair, Trademark, Domain Names and Brand Enforcement Practice >>> Winston & Strawn LLP >>> 35 W. Wacker Drive >>> Chicago, IL 60601-9703 >>> D: +1 (312) 558-5963 >>> F: +1 (312) 558-5700 >>> Bio <http://www.winston.com/en/who-we-are/attorneys/mcgrady-paul-d.html> | >>> VCard <http://www.winston.com/vcards/996.vcf> | Email >>> <mailto:pmcgrady@winston.com> | winston.com <http://www.winston.com> >>> >>> >>> The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, >>> if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading >>> it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable >>> privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of >>> the author. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list >>> Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg >>> >>> >>> The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, >>> if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading >>> it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable >>> privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of >>> the author. >>> >>>

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Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Subteam 4 - Friday Meeting?! + Master Template Full
by Kathy Kleiman Oct. 7, 2015

Oct. 7, 2015

How about 4pm or 4:30pm Eastern on Friday? 4:30pm is better for me, but I know people may be leaving the office. James G and Stephanie will join us if they can. Also, All, attached please find the completed template with Stephanie's section now incorporated. I will let you review it and then ask Mary to post it on the ICANN Wiki PPSAI Subteam 4 page as a record of our work. Best, Kathy On 10/7/2015 6:32 AM, Victoria Sheckler wrote: > > I can do after 2:30 eastern on Friday. > > *From:*gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org > [mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *McGrady, Paul D. > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2015 10:10 PM > *To:* Kathy Kleiman; gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org > *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Subteam 4 - Friday Meeting?! > > Thanks Kathy. I too am available after 1pm Eastern until about 6pm > Eastern. > > *From:*gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org > <mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org> > [mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathy Kleiman > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 7:45 PM > *To:* gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> > *Subject:* [Gnso-ppsai4] Subteam 4 - Friday Meeting?! > *Importance:* High > > Hi All, > You heard the marching orders today - agreement on our Subteam 4 > recommendations. We'll keep the call under an hour - but can you join > us on Friday? After 1pm Eastern is best for me. What's good for you? > > Best, > Kathy > : > > WG Generally: Just to echo what was said on the call this morning > and in prior emails, if you believe there is an item on the draft > SubTeam Report that has already been dealt with by another > SubTeam, please: 1. Let us know and 2. Let us know how it was > resolved. That way we can compare the issue & resolution to the > respective public comment(s) and scratch it from the list if > appropriate. So that SubTeam 4 doesn’t spit its wheels > unnecessarily, I am asking that any such items be identified by > midnight UCT on Thursday. Thanks! > > SubTeam 4: Please write to gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org > <mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> and let the SubTeam know about your > availability for a call on Friday after 11am Eastern. Thanks! > > Best to all, > > Paul > > *Paul D. McGrady Jr.* > > *Partner * > > *Chair, Trademark, Domain Names and Brand Enforcement Practice * > > Winston & Strawn LLP > 35 W. Wacker Drive > Chicago, IL 60601-9703 > > D: +1 (312) 558-5963 > > F: +1 (312) 558-5700 > > Bio > <http://www.winston.com/en/who-we-are/attorneys/mcgrady-paul-d.html> | > VCard <http://www.winston.com/vcards/996.vcf> | Email > <mailto:pmcgrady@winston.com> | winston.com <http://www.winston.com> > > Winston & Strawn LLP > > > The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. > Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please > delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not > intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not > disseminate this message without the permission of the author. > > _______________________________________________ > > Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list > > Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org <mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> > > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg > > > The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. > Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete > it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to > waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message > without the permission of the author. >

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Subteam 4 - Friday Meeting?!
by Kathy Kleiman Oct. 7, 2015

Oct. 7, 2015

Hi All, You heard the marching orders today - agreement on our Subteam 4 recommendations. We'll keep the call under an hour - but can you join us on Friday? After 1pm Eastern is best for me. What's good for you? Best, Kathy : > > WG Generally: Just to echo what was said on the call this morning and > in prior emails, if you believe there is an item on the draft SubTeam > Report that has already been dealt with by another SubTeam, please: > 1. Let us know and 2. Let us know how it was resolved. That way we > can compare the issue & resolution to the respective public comment(s) > and scratch it from the list if appropriate. So that SubTeam 4 > doesn’t spit its wheels unnecessarily, I am asking that any such items > be identified by midnight UCT on Thursday. Thanks! > > SubTeam 4: Please write to gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org > <mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> and let the SubTeam know about your > availability for a call on Friday after 11am Eastern. Thanks! > > Best to all, > > Paul > > *Paul D. McGrady Jr.* > > *Partner * > > *Chair, Trademark, Domain Names and Brand Enforcement Practice * > > Winston & Strawn LLP > 35 W. Wacker Drive > Chicago, IL 60601-9703 > > D: +1 (312) 558-5963 > > F: +1 (312) 558-5700 > > Bio > <http://www.winston.com/en/who-we-are/attorneys/mcgrady-paul-d.html> | > VCard <http://www.winston.com/vcards/996.vcf> | Email > <mailto:pmcgrady@winston.com> | winston.com <http://www.winston.com> > > Winston & Strawn LLP > > > The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. > Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete > it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to > waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message > without the permission of the author. > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list > Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg

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Fwd: Subteam 4 Report (Draft)
by Kathy Kleiman Oct. 4, 2015

Oct. 4, 2015

Hi All, Attached please find the draft that I have just sent on to the WG co-chairs. I have spent a good amount of time reviewing Vicky's edits and creating a clean copy of the report for the WG. For the most part, I've accepted Vicky's edits, but where our differing edits indicated a division of the subteam on what to advise the full WG, I noted it and included both views. Here are the two versions of our report for your review: 1) The redline of our recommendations with edits by Paul, Kathy and Vicky -- for subteam review -- titled Subteam 4 Report draft vfs 10-2-15 kk 10-4 (00837770xB3D1E).doc 2) The "final" version sent to the WG reflects a clean text (edits adopted, format made consistent, spell-checked, etc) -- titled Subteam 4 Report - 10-4-2015 for first WG Review (00837771xB3D1E).doc Below is my message to the WG co-chairs with Subteam 4 Report - 10-4-2015 for first WG Review (00837771xB3D1E).doc attached. Best, Kathy -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Subteam 4 Report (Draft) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 15:28:47 -0400 From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com> To: Graeme Bunton <gbunton(a)tucows.com>, Metalitz, Steven <met(a)msk.com>, Paul D. McGrady <PMcGrady(a)winston.com>, Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org> Graeme and Steve, Attached please find Subteam 4's draft report. It involves our summary of over 100 comments which provided input and concerns different from those reviewed by the other subteams. This report contains the areas we agreed on recommendations, and some which we did not. This "cleaned up draft" of our Report has been reviewed by Paul McGrady, co-convenor, so on his behalf, I reserve his right to do so. Best, Kathy

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Fwd: Fwd: Subteam 4 draft report - final call for comments
by Mary Wong Oct. 4, 2015

Oct. 4, 2015

I'm resending Vicky's message and document, as requested. I realize time is short but as noted previously the WG chairs had requested that the sub team should send their report to the WG by this weekend so that WG members have a chance to review before Tuesday, especially since there was no opportunity to discuss the sub team's work last week. Thanks abs cheers Mary Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Victoria Sheckler <vsheckler(a)riaa.com<mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com>> Date: October 2, 2015 at 20:28:12 EDT To: Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>> Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai4] Fwd: Subteam 4 draft report - final call for comments Please see attached. I tried to shorten the draft, make it more neutral, and raised concerns with some of the recommendations. I still think it is quite duplicative, with the same comment/concerns raised in more than 1 category, but I didn’t remove those since I assume its based on how we categorized the comments in the template. From: gnso-ppsai4-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 7:59 PM To: gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Fwd: Subteam 4 draft report - final call for comments Thanks, Kathy and everyone. I realize it’s late for all now, but the WG co-chairs have asked me to request that, if at all possible, can the Sub Team send around its report by tomorrow? My sense is that they are asking on the understanding that the summary report is likely to run to quite a few pages long, and hasn’t yet been seen by the WG despite the intention to have presented it earlier this week. If it will help, the Sub Team can agree to send a version of the document that is subject to the caveat that it hasn’t yet been fully reviewed by all, and may not represent the consensus views of the whole Sub Team (as has been done for other Sub Teams). Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> From: <gnso-ppsai4-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com<mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com>> Date: Friday, October 2, 2015 at 14:19 To: "gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>>, "Paul D. McGrady" <PMcGrady(a)winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Fwd: Subteam 4 draft report - final call for comments Hi Mary, As you can see, we are still gathering edits and comments. All, Could you get the edits in to me and Paul by COB today? Best, Kathy : Thanks, Kathy, Paul and everyone - just let me know if/how staff can assist in getting the report (even if it is to be “subject to further Sub Team 4 review”, for instance) to the WG. If it is at all possible, it will be great if we can send it to the WG by today, so that they will have the chance to review what’s a pretty long document more fully before Tuesday! Stephanie, we hope you feel better soon! Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> -----Original Message----- From: <gnso-ppsai4-bounces(a)icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady(a)winston.com><mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 15:39 To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin(a)mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> Cc: "gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org"<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Fwd: Subteam 4 draft report - final call for comments I'm in the air finally heading back to Chicago. I will look this over tomorrow and get you any comments I may have in your comments in my comments! 😀 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin(a)mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.c<mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> a><mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote: I am afraid I am very ill, and not focusing on work. Trying to get rid of a very very bad cold prior to Dublin.... SP On 2015-10-01 15:08, Kathy Kleiman wrote: Hi All, Just a re-check to see if anyone has any changes before our Subteam 4 report goes out to the full WG for first (and perhaps last) presentation of analysis and action items? Best, Kathy -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Subteam 4 draft report Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 16:04:16 -0400 From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com> To: gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady(a)winston.com><mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com><mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com><mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Hi All, Tx to Paul for his work! Yesterday, Paul shared with me the edited draft report. He edited the findings and drafted the text for our "recommendation boxes." I really appreciate all he has done - this is hard work! I have now reviewed and added my thoughts and edits to the proposed recommendations. Both Paul and I used "track changes" so all is there to see and review. Please let us know what you think, and in particular, and in in light of the desire to close this process soon: What is it there in these remaining comments that impels us to consider an issue further and ask the WG to review and work on? Quick question: after your review, do you see pressing issues we need to discuss? If so, can we do it online or do we need a call later this week? Please let us know your thoughts! Best, Kathy _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai4 mailing list Gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai4 _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai4 mailing list Gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai4 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. 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Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Fwd: Subteam 4 draft report - final call for comments
by Mary Wong Oct. 4, 2015

Oct. 4, 2015

Thanks much, Vicky! As noted previously, the WG chairs would like us to send something out earlier rather than later, even if it's not a final agreed version, as that would be helpful for WG reviewing purposes. As such, unless there are any more edits, I'll most likely send this out first thing Monday morning - with the usual caveats, of course. As always, sub team members should be able to speak to any points they wish to raise during the WG call as well. Cheers Mary Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2015, at 20:34, Victoria Sheckler <vsheckler(a)riaa.com<mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com>> wrote: Please see attached. I tried to shorten the draft, make it more neutral, and raised concerns with some of the recommendations. I still think it is quite duplicative, with the same comment/concerns raised in more than 1 category, but I didn’t remove those since I assume its based on how we categorized the comments in the template. From: gnso-ppsai4-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 7:59 PM To: gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Fwd: Subteam 4 draft report - final call for comments Thanks, Kathy and everyone. I realize it’s late for all now, but the WG co-chairs have asked me to request that, if at all possible, can the Sub Team send around its report by tomorrow? My sense is that they are asking on the understanding that the summary report is likely to run to quite a few pages long, and hasn’t yet been seen by the WG despite the intention to have presented it earlier this week. If it will help, the Sub Team can agree to send a version of the document that is subject to the caveat that it hasn’t yet been fully reviewed by all, and may not represent the consensus views of the whole Sub Team (as has been done for other Sub Teams). Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> From: <gnso-ppsai4-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com<mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com>> Date: Friday, October 2, 2015 at 14:19 To: "gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>>, "Paul D. McGrady" <PMcGrady(a)winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Fwd: Subteam 4 draft report - final call for comments Hi Mary, As you can see, we are still gathering edits and comments. All, Could you get the edits in to me and Paul by COB today? Best, Kathy : Thanks, Kathy, Paul and everyone - just let me know if/how staff can assist in getting the report (even if it is to be “subject to further Sub Team 4 review”, for instance) to the WG. If it is at all possible, it will be great if we can send it to the WG by today, so that they will have the chance to review what’s a pretty long document more fully before Tuesday! Stephanie, we hope you feel better soon! Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> -----Original Message----- From: <gnso-ppsai4-bounces(a)icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady(a)winston.com><mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 15:39 To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin(a)mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> Cc: "gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org"<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Fwd: Subteam 4 draft report - final call for comments I'm in the air finally heading back to Chicago. I will look this over tomorrow and get you any comments I may have in your comments in my comments! 😀 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin(a)mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.c<mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> a><mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote: I am afraid I am very ill, and not focusing on work. Trying to get rid of a very very bad cold prior to Dublin.... SP On 2015-10-01 15:08, Kathy Kleiman wrote: Hi All, Just a re-check to see if anyone has any changes before our Subteam 4 report goes out to the full WG for first (and perhaps last) presentation of analysis and action items? Best, Kathy -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Subteam 4 draft report Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 16:04:16 -0400 From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com> To: gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady(a)winston.com><mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com><mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com><mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Hi All, Tx to Paul for his work! Yesterday, Paul shared with me the edited draft report. He edited the findings and drafted the text for our "recommendation boxes." I really appreciate all he has done - this is hard work! I have now reviewed and added my thoughts and edits to the proposed recommendations. Both Paul and I used "track changes" so all is there to see and review. Please let us know what you think, and in particular, and in in light of the desire to close this process soon: What is it there in these remaining comments that impels us to consider an issue further and ask the WG to review and work on? Quick question: after your review, do you see pressing issues we need to discuss? If so, can we do it online or do we need a call later this week? Please let us know your thoughts! Best, Kathy _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai4 mailing list Gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai4 _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai4 mailing list Gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai4@icann.org>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai4 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. 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Subteam 4 draft report
by Kathy Kleiman Oct. 2, 2015

Oct. 2, 2015

Hi All, Tx to Paul for his work! Yesterday, Paul shared with me the edited draft report. He edited the findings and drafted the text for our "recommendation boxes." I really appreciate all he has done - this is hard work! I have now reviewed and added my thoughts and edits to the proposed recommendations. Both Paul and I used "track changes" so all is there to see and review. Please let us know what you think, and in particular, and in in light of the desire to close this process soon: What is it there in these remaining comments that impels us to consider an issue further and ask the WG to review and work on? Quick question: after your review, do you see pressing issues we need to discuss? If so, can we do it online or do we need a call later this week? Please let us know your thoughts! Best, Kathy

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