September 2015 - Gnso-ppsai4

Subteam 4 draft report
by Kathy Kleiman Oct. 2, 2015

Oct. 2, 2015

Hi All, Tx to Paul for his work! Yesterday, Paul shared with me the edited draft report. He edited the findings and drafted the text for our "recommendation boxes." I really appreciate all he has done - this is hard work! I have now reviewed and added my thoughts and edits to the proposed recommendations. Both Paul and I used "track changes" so all is there to see and review. Please let us know what you think, and in particular, and in in light of the desire to close this process soon: What is it there in these remaining comments that impels us to consider an issue further and ask the WG to review and work on? Quick question: after your review, do you see pressing issues we need to discuss? If so, can we do it online or do we need a call later this week? Please let us know your thoughts! Best, Kathy

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Sub Team 4 document(s) for WG call tomorrow (Re: MP3 PPSAI WG chairs-Sub Team 4-25 September 2015 at 14:30 UTC)
by Mary Wong Sept. 29, 2015

Sept. 29, 2015

HI Kathy, Paul and everyone, You’ll see that I’ve sent out the proposed agenda and some documents (excluding the expected updates from this Sub Team) to the WG for the call tomorrow. Once you have the updated documents from this Sub Team, it would be great if you can send them to the WG at your earliest convenience thank you! Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org From: Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org> Date: Monday, September 28, 2015 at 06:46 Cc: "gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org" <gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] MP3 PPSAI WG chairs-Sub Team 4-25 September 2015 at 14:30 UTC > Hello everyone, and thanks to Paul and Kathy for continuing to move ahead with > the document preparation! We understand from the Friday call that there will > be updates to the sub team report for the WG to discuss tomorrow. Please let > us know how we may assist with either the preparation or distribution of > these. Thanks much! > > Cheers > Mary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 25, 2015, at 19:04, Terri Agnew <terri.agnew(a)icann.org> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Please find below the attendance and MP3 recording and attached the >> transcription for the PPSAI WG -Sub Team 4 call Friday, 25 September 2015 >> at 14:30 UTC >> >> MP3: >> https://icann.box.com/shared/static/5clto0eiirvfer0lsiq74l832kgj9i94.mp3 >> <http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=zZ8xDDIU4PY795Cika7Nmy-2FNugFnAwo9az >> 5qWXNwufSMIvWCGRpGkYfDPqdnMMZ5tsEBxRvRUFygeeakx1vkR56pw7Aag40cthtac328kFg-3D_ >> nEX-2FaOijqgcJlSz5SkmueJu3tRbmaDiuX89gT35tStEeSHP9whdoceObpMxYsFLQddiMZpQjIv8 >> dk6BsBGSJXH7VWN4SGLCJgbGKCk6E-2FTErjF4OKNQt65Dk9NF54IJ9kQpmDNySj7bbNz9G4dXi5B >> gbCZotTx8KNfyeB0z00f8KsMfETeTNKd7vy2kKI7tttQUIwid4NAhxXgT3nZYwmtdMm-2B4-2F4NB >> CLlOLYnGbe-2FQHQkNAIPFcFurNUoD5YzpIkYxV9anJ5-2B2Zpf9hQgSegJH80xdKrxB-2FwtxyXn >> TktX-2FMlkY6y9BZWTuHKUfGIhgjJqE75SbJBzUdd4S6iiqpu8k3tqeJeR1sZjuM4ZyIozA9FVtUm >> MaplaXceTaYibNGRWMAi92M9e8cl2-2FUg6R-2Fgo9HbDFWBMDz9zE543jk9kDe5VkUMZNWgBoPWW >> XmLpf9NJwSe4aOZIuGjvvYOi8xPwQMsP9OKYQ68eIffDy8eKqtYXgGpD245fMWd-2FBj7sV0> >> >> Attendees: >> >> Kathy Kleiman - NCSG >> >> Paul McGrady - IPC >> Stephanie Perrin NCSG >> >> >> >> Apologies: >> >> James Gannon - NCUC >> >> Vicky Sheckler IPC >> >> >> ICANN staff: >> >> Nathalie Peregrine >> >> Terri Agnew >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> Terri Agnew >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Adobe Connect chat transcript for Friday, 25 September 2015 >> >> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI Subteam 4 on Friday, 25 September 2015 >> Kathy K:Hi Terri, yes! >> Terri Agnew:Welcome Stephanie Perrin >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:Sorry I am so late, was interrupted a couple of times >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:Sorry for the background noise, my living room floor is >> being sanded as we speak... >> Kathy K:Terri, could you post the Report?? >> Kathy K:Tx! >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:lost sound? >> Kathy K:no >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:lost sound >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:Iam back....dont know what happened >> Terri Agnew:@Stephanie, if needed private chat me your telephone number and >> we can dial out to you >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:613-256-3834, thanks Terry >> Terri Agnew:Give the op a moment and he will dial out to you >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:I am sorry to be behind in my bits, I am working on them >> this morning >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:This sounds like a great plan >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:lost you again >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:Yes, a am working on it this morning >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:Kathy coming in loud and clear >> Kathy K:Stephanie are you still in the queue? >> Terri Agnew:Stephanie is on the telephone audio at this time. >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:am on phone now >> Terri Agnew:most welcome! >> STEPHANIE PERRIN:thanks all >> >> >> <transcript PPSAI Subteam 4 25 September 2015.doc> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gnso-ppsai4 mailing list >> Gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai4

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MP3 PPSAI WG chairs-Sub Team 4-25 September 2015 at 14:30 UTC
by Terri Agnew Sept. 28, 2015

Sept. 28, 2015

Dear All, Please find below the attendance and MP3 recording and attached the transcription for the PPSAI WG -Sub Team 4 call - Friday, 25 September 2015 at 14:30 UTC MP3: https://icann.box.com/shared/static/5clto0eiirvfer0lsiq74l832kgj9i94.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=zZ8xDDIU4PY795Cika7Nmy-2FNugFnAwo9a…> Attendees: Kathy Kleiman - NCSG Paul McGrady - IPC Stephanie Perrin - NCSG Apologies: James Gannon - NCUC Vicky Sheckler - IPC ICANN staff: Nathalie Peregrine Terri Agnew Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Friday, 25 September 2015 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI Subteam 4 on Friday, 25 September 2015 Kathy K:Hi Terri, yes! Terri Agnew:Welcome Stephanie Perrin STEPHANIE PERRIN:Sorry I am so late, was interrupted a couple of times STEPHANIE PERRIN:Sorry for the background noise, my living room floor is being sanded as we speak... Kathy K:Terri, could you post the Report?? Kathy K:Tx! STEPHANIE PERRIN:lost sound? Kathy K:no STEPHANIE PERRIN:lost sound STEPHANIE PERRIN:Iam back....dont know what happened Terri Agnew:@Stephanie, if needed private chat me your telephone number and we can dial out to you STEPHANIE PERRIN:613-256-3834, thanks Terry Terri Agnew:Give the op a moment and he will dial out to you STEPHANIE PERRIN:I am sorry to be behind in my bits, I am working on them this morning STEPHANIE PERRIN:This sounds like a great plan STEPHANIE PERRIN:lost you again STEPHANIE PERRIN:Yes, a am working on it this morning STEPHANIE PERRIN:Kathy coming in loud and clear Kathy K:Stephanie are you still in the queue? Terri Agnew:Stephanie is on the telephone audio at this time. STEPHANIE PERRIN:am on phone now Terri Agnew:most welcome! STEPHANIE PERRIN:thanks all

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Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Draft Report v. 2
by McGrady, Paul D. Sept. 25, 2015

Sept. 25, 2015

Thanks Victoria. The draft report, which has come to being through Kathy's herculean efforts in a short amount of time, is still a draft. The purpose of our call in a few minutes will be to edit it for substantive content as well as tone. I look forward to walking through the document with you and the others in a few, and I thank Kathy for taking up the pen on this to get us started. Best, Paul -----Original Message----- From: Victoria Sheckler [mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 8:22 AM To: Kathy Kleiman Cc: gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org; McGrady, Paul D. Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] Draft Report v. 2 based on first blush, i disagree with the tone and emphasis in this report, and in particularly how much time is spent addressing 1 comment. While I agree that concerns raised by womens rights groups and others about potential/likely harassment and personal safety concerns if their information is disclosed are valid and must be taken into account, and that the PPSAI should include protections to mitigate those real concerns. the comment this summary focuses on is an critique of whois generally, and does not appear to comment on the protections recommended in the PPSAI report. It's over-emphasis here is inappropriate. i also feel our description of the comments should be neutral, and leave the discussion of views to the general working group. this draft doesn't make that mark yet. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > Attached please find a draft summarizing our report (version 2). To put it together, I reviewed Categories E, F and G of our template and summarized them in bullets (as I did for categories A-D). I've also created a space for placing our recommendations to the WG, e.g., what we think might be done with the useful comments we received. Paul is taking a first crack at these recommendations tonight. > > If you have a minute, we would appreciate your review: > a) to ensure that the Report includes the comments you found important > and important for future WG action; > b) general readability, and > c) to develop recommendations of next steps for the WG and other subteams. > > I look forward to our subteam call tomorrow at 07:30 PDT, 10:30 EDT, 15:30 London, 1630 CET. > > Best, > Kathy > <Subteam 4 - Summary DRAFT v. 2 9-24 (00834892xB3D1E).doc> > _______________________________________________ > Gnso-ppsai4 mailing list > Gnso-ppsai4(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai4 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author.

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Draft Report v. 2
by Kathy Kleiman Sept. 25, 2015

Sept. 25, 2015

Hi All, Attached please find a draft summarizing our report (version 2). To put it together, I reviewed Categories E, F and G of our template and summarized them in bullets (as I did for categories A-D). I've also created a space for placing our recommendations to the WG, e.g., what we think might be done with the useful comments we received. Paul is taking a first crack at these recommendations tonight. If you have a minute, we would appreciate your review: a) to ensure that the Report includes the comments you found important and important for future WG action; b) general readability, and c) to develop recommendations of next steps for the WG and other subteams. I look forward to our subteam call tomorrow at 07:30 PDT, 10:30 EDT, 15:30 London, 1630 CET. Best, Kathy

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Transcription PPSAI chairs-Sub Team 4 conveners-staff call 4 -21 September 2015 at 15:00 UTC
by Terri Agnew Sept. 22, 2015

Sept. 22, 2015

Dear All, Please find attached the transcription of the PPSAI Subteam 4 call held on 21 September 2015. Kind regards Terri Agnew

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MP3 PPSAI WG chairs-Sub Team 4 conveners-staff call 4 -21 September 2015 at 15:00 UTC
by Terri Agnew Sept. 21, 2015

Sept. 21, 2015

Dear All, Please find below the attendance and MP3 recording for the PPSAI WG chairs-Sub Team 4 conveners-staff call 4 - Monday, 21 September 2015 at 15:00 UTC Transcript will follow upon receipt. MP3: https://icann.box.com/shared/static/s17panq3clx4j8nt6ws55hx7aowb3cui.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=zZ8xDDIU4PY795Cika7Nmy-2FNugFnAwo9a…> Attendees: Kathy Kleiman NCSG Paul McGrady IPC Frank Michlick Individual Stephanie Perrin - NCSG James Gannon - NCUC Vicky Sheckler - IPC Apologies: Amr Elsadr - NCUC ICANN staff: Mary Wong Terri Agnew Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 21 September 2015 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG chairs-Sub Team 4 conveners-staff call on 21st September 2015 Kathy:champagne Stephanie Perrin:cannot hear you Kathy James Gannon:Kathy super quiet for me? Mary Wong:I actually just did a seminar with an academic friend who's an expert on G.I.s here in Singapore last week; we touched on the DNS/second level issues quitea bit. Stephanie Perrin:yes James Gannon:yup Terri Agnew:Welcome Vicky Sheckler Vicky sheckler:sorry to be late. will join audio in 5 min Kathy:Mary - could you please post the report? Kathy:Tx! Mary Wong:Sure thing, Paul - just whatever the Sub Team can provide after the call today should work. Frank Michlick 2:sorry, got disconnected somehow Mary Wong:Welcome back Frank! James Gannon:=) Mary Wong:Staff can do it as well if you like James Gannon:Ah to be back in a job with a PA =) Vicky sheckler:note I didn't summarizse by placing primary category first, think should consider both categories at least for my work Stephanie Perrin:Thursday non starter for me James Gannon:Thursday/Friday works best for me Stephanie Perrin:Friday?? Frank Michlick 2:Friday is good for me Mary Wong:What time on Friday? Vicky sheckler:i dont think the sumamry should be posted. it is not ready. sorry if i misse dthat. Kathy:Fri AM good for me Kathy:@Vicky: summary won't be posted until revised and edited Kathy:it's a draft... Frank Michlick 2:Friday AM ET works for me Kathy:How about 10:30am Friday? James Gannon:Works for me Mary Wong:That's definitely out for me Stephanie Perrin:sounds good Frank Michlick 2:works for me Terri Agnew:next call subteam 4 call will be 25 September at 14:30 UTC Kathy:Great - tx Terri! Paul McGrady:Thanks Vicky! Yes, the summary will not be posted until ready. We will provide our template collection document tomorrow, but not the draft summary. James Gannon:http://blog.easydns.org/2015/07/02/confessions-of-an-ex-opponent-of-… Stephanie Perrin:thanks, that is very encouraging!! Stephanie Perrin:I will try for tonight.....will get at it once the call is over. Stephanie Perrin:We need a reference link, to follow the breadcrumbs Stephanie Perrin:lost sound Mary Wong:Just to be clear, staff tools and summaries are not meant to replace WG review of individual comments. James Gannon:+1 James Gannon:I have to run soon James Gannon:byeee Mary Wong:Thanks all Stephanie Perrin:Thanks all! Frank Michlick 2:thank you bye

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The next meeting of Sub Team 4
by Mary Wong Sept. 21, 2015

Sept. 21, 2015

Hello everyone, As noted on the call earlier today, the GNSO Secretariat will send out the call and Adobe Connect details soon for the proposed Friday meeting of the Sub Team at 1430 UTC. Unfortunately, neither Marika nor I will be able to support the call that day, so I hope it¹s all right for me to ask that any updated documents the Sub Team wishes to discuss be sent to me by Thursday 1800 UTC so that I can make sure they are uploaded to your Adobe Connect room in good time. If you will be using the same documents as for the call today, these have already been uploaded and the Secretariat staff should be able to display them on the Adobe Connect screen for you. As requested, attached are the latest summary reports from the other three Sub Teams for your review. Thank you! Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org

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Re: [Gnso-ppsai4] [Ntfy-gnso-ppsai4] PPSAI SUBTEAM 4
by Kathy Kleiman Sept. 21, 2015

Sept. 21, 2015

Hi All, Meeting starting now. Best, Kathy On 9/17/2015 1:44 AM, Nathalie Peregrine wrote: > > Event Invitation > > Title: > > > > PPSAI SUBTEAM 4 > > Location: > > > > 15:00 UTC > > When: > > > > Monday, September 21, 2015 11:00 AM – 12:00 PM > > > > > Organizer: > > > > Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine(a)icann.org> > > Description: > > > > Dear All, The PPSAI WG chairs-Sub Team 4 conveners-staff call is > scheduled for Monday 21 September 2015 at 1500 UTC . 08:00 PDT, 11:00 > EDT, 16:00 London, 1700 CET For other times: > http://tinyurl.com/o6975cz A calendar invitation has been sent > directly to the mailing list. In case you did not receive it, please > find it attached to this email. Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: > https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/ For those of you using the Adobe > Connect audio, you may do so by activating your computer microphone > via the Adobe room (Using a headset is preferable here). Make sure > your speakers and microphone are not on mute. - Select the TELEPHONE > ICON at the top of the AC toolbar and choose CONNECT MY AUDIO (only > option). - Select USING COMPUTER twice - Select ALLOW access to the > ICANN Adobe room - the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the toolbar should > then have changed into a MICROPHONE ICON - You may click on this > MICROPHONE ICON to mute yourself (Icon will then have a line through > it) and to unmute yourself (Line disappears) Participants must ALWAYS > have their microphone or telephone on MUTE as default setting. You are > requested to RAISE YOUR HAND if you wish to participate to avoid > disruption. Dial-in details are below. If you require a dial-out, > please let me know. 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Draft report
by Kathy Kleiman Sept. 21, 2015

Sept. 21, 2015

Hi All, I've been working on this material since early this morning and have to move on to other projects, so let me send out what I have. Overall, I drafted our Summary as a compilation of the comments we received -- moving category by category though our templates and providing quotes and summaries in bullet points under each Category. (Note: template now expanded to include comments that apply to Category A, law enforcement, and a few more I picked up in a detailed review along the way. Both docs attached.) I think our job in the summary should be quite limited. When the WG takes up a new feature such as RAA/contracts or "penalties," we might recommend that WG/Staff return to the small set of "Subteam 4 comments" (that we flagged for them) which address these particular issues. Our range of comments is so diverse that we cannot summarize everything in detail, and many of these commenters devoted time, effort and etail to their suggestions - meriting more specific review when the matter comes up before the WG. Please take a look and let me know what you think. I look forward to talking with you at 11am Eastern tomorrow (Mon). Best, Kathy

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