i could not make the call today as I am on family vacation. Please consider that "Number of votes in chat during call" is an inappropriate way to gauge consensus in any ICANN working group. This is an age old issue, that I believe was resolved ages ago with Working Group guidelines that specified this. It is simply not fair to give more disregard anyone's 'vote' merely because they were not able to attend a call. In other words, those who cannot attend any particular call must have precisely equal voting rights to all other members of the SSC. In my humble opinion, those of us who could not make the call must still be allowed to 'vote' and have that considered equally to the votes that were cast. [image: Logo] Mike Rodenbaugh address: 548 Market Street, Box 55819 San Francisco, CA 94104 email: mike@rodenbaugh.com phone: +1 (415) 738-8087 *WORLD TRADEMARK REVIEW "WTR 1000" Top Global TM Counsel* *2012 to present [Book a Meeting <https://www.cloudhq.net/meeting/PXjH0Swjh8IKL2BidWR>]* On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 11:06 PM Karen Day via Gnso-ssc <gnso-ssc@icann.org> wrote:

Hi everyone, Based on what's in the new spreadsheet Saewon has circulated, and what we discussed on the call today, I would like to suggest that we have staff circulate another survey monkey with only the ranking section and with only these top 13 candidates' names listed. We would each rank this group only and then see who is in the top seven spots. In these 13 candidates we have every region represented. I would submit that it would then be up to the individual committee member to decide what criteria influences their rankings.

I would ask that these rankings be submitted by 23:00 on Friday to allow staff time to tabulate the results prior to our call on Monday.

For those members who did not respond to the first survey and weren't on the call today, please do listen to the recording and review these materials so that you can participate in this ranking activity. Your participation is vital to our mission.

Thanks!

*Karen Day*

Tel: +1 (919) 531-6016

------------------------------ *From:* Saewon Lee via Gnso-ssc <gnso-ssc@icann.org> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2024 4:30 PM *To:* Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>; gnso-ssc@icann.org < gnso-ssc@icann.org> *Cc:* Alperen Eken <alperen.eken@icann.org> *Subject:* [Gnso-ssc] Suggested List of Candidates (with Notes) | SSC - Pilot Holistic Review candidates evaluation call | Monday, 01 July 2024

*EXTERNAL*

Dear SSC members,

Per our call today, please find the *google spreadsheet* that contains the votes during the call and ranking that follows: *https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P9XZ3hd0J6GfaOpStV92zSpWDkqXwl7rmatN... <https://protect.checkpoint.com/v2/___https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P9XZ3hd0J6GfaOpStV92zSpWDkqXwl7rmatNfwS07uU/edit?usp=sharing___.YzJ1OnNhc2luc3RpdHV0ZTpjOm86YWJjZjUxYTZiNjY0NGJkM2Q5MDRlM2RlMjk3MTZiNjc6NjpjOTJkOmFiNDk0Y2VjNDUwNDRhMGEzMzBhMDc0ZWFjNDYyNWM5NDY2N2Y5MTkzMDkzYjU1MGM3ZTcwMDk0ZDRjMDNmOTE6aDpUOk4>*

*Some points to note from the spreadsheet ranking:*

- The order of names (No. in A column) is in the order of ranking from today’s call. - The Top 9 (until Ranking 7) have 3 votes, and the Top 13 (until Ranking 10) have 2 votes. (I could not cut the Top 10 and/or the Top 12 due to the identical number of votes) - The column J in red shows the poll results to compare to: In ranking 7’s, Marie Pattullo overlaps with the Poll result; In ranking 10’s there are no overlapping candidates. - Mark Datysgeld that ranked 3rd in the Poll Result is excluded in the call ranking today based on the discussions (i.e., previous SSC appointee)

Other than the spreadsheet with rankings to help the members with the decision, *kindly find the attached survey results*, that were also shared in the meeting, for your reference.

Below, you will also find *the notes/details from the meeting* to help you in your decision-making process.

Kind regards,

Julie and Saewon.

*Notes and Action Items*

*SSC’s Pilot Holistic Review Candidates Evaluation on Monday, 01 July 2024**, at 18:00 UTC.*

*[Action Items]*

1. *GNSO Staff Support to share a google spreadsheet with the list of candidates and ranking results from the call [COMPLETE]* 2. *GNSO Secretariat to send an invite for the 8 July and 15 July Meetings to take place at 18:00 UTC.*

*[Notes]*

*1. Welcome & SOIs*

- N/A

*2. Pilot Holistic Review Candidates Evaluation*

*a. Poll Results*

- See the attached files for the poll result details.

- 6 responses for 19 candidates – Team can discuss the candidates based on the ranking, but it is not the decision-making factor (The poll is to be just a guidance, NOT the decision)

- The results were show the ranking 1-7 (list below)

*b. Candidates Evaluation*

- 7 candidates were ranked in the following order based on the poll results:

1. Anil Jain

2. Marie Pattullo

3. Julf (Johan) Helsingius

3. Mark Datysgeld

5. Caleb Ogundele

6. Tony Holmes

6. James Gannon

- *Discussion points:* - The SSC Chair pointed out that Mark Datysgeld was one of the last SSC members, if a need to consider when allowing for different people to participate. - Geographic criteria does not seem to be considered within this result and may need a different approach - Any term limits for these candidates? – No. Subject to the duration of the project as it will be more like a PDP/WG.

*c. Suggested List of Candidates*

- *Discussion points:* - How should the evaluation process proceed was discussed, and a suggestion was to select the top 10, then drop to 7 (or top 12) based on the region, participation, recent project, etc. - A suggestion that Diversity must be put into consideration as regions cannot be left unconsidered was raised and agreed upon by the members. - Each member shared their rankings and they are as follows (in the order of ranking):

- Karen: Tony Holmes, Anil Jain, Bekono Pascal, Caleb Ogundele, Emmanuel Vitus, Gbadamosi Gbadamosi, Sophie Hey, Poncelet Ileleji, James Gannon, Julf Helsingius (4 from Africa, 4 Europe, 1 NA, 1 AP) – Mark Datysgeld was dropped as he was our last appointee. - Jothan: Same as above for Top 7 + Sophie Hey, Hector Ariel Manoff, Akinmoyeje Benjamin - Bruna: Anil Jain, Caleb Ogundele, James Ganon, Julf Helsingius, Marie Pattullo, Sophie Hey, Pedro Lana, Tony Holmes - Remmy: Anil Jain, Caleb Ogundele, James Ganon, Julf Helsingius, Marie Pattullo, Sophie Hey, Akinmoyeje Benjamin, Tony Holmes, Emmanuel Vitus, Pedro Lana - Segunfunmi: Anil Jain, Marie Pattullo, Caleb Ogundele, Mark Datysgeld, Akinmoyeje Benjamin, Julf Helsingius, and Tony Holmes

*d. Timing of Consensus Call*

- Consensus Call will be held post-8 July after last discussion and consideration

*3. GAC Liaison Selection Process -- Timing of Meeting on Monday, 15 July (1800 or 1900 UTC)*

- Confirmed for 18:00 UTC for the GAC liaison selection meeting

- For the GAC liaison process, the candidate list can be shared with the members, for easy review, via a google spreadsheet as the GAC liaison selection process is managed by the GNSO Staff Support.

*4. AOB*

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Thanks Julie for the further explanation. But it seems a vote was conducted and now Karen is proposing cutting about 1/3 of the candidates out from further consideration, based on the 'vote' tally from the meeting, documented in the spreadsheet. That would be inappropriate. Am I missing something? It seems to me that vote needs to be conducted by email, not via a phone call. [image: Logo] Mike Rodenbaugh address: 548 Market Street, Box 55819 San Francisco, CA 94104 email: mike@rodenbaugh.com phone: +1 (415) 738-8087 *WORLD TRADEMARK REVIEW "WTR 1000" Top Global TM Counsel* *2012 to present [Book a Meeting <https://www.cloudhq.net/meeting/mLLNepTuEzmehnGNTW45>]* On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 1:11 AM Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org> wrote:

Hi Mike,

Apologies if it was not clear, but the SSC has not conducted a consensus call and will not do so until after next week’s meeting on 08 July and only after being announced in advance and by the Working Group Guidelines as you have noted. And according to those Guidelines there will be no vote, rather a call for consensus in which all SSC members can participate. The ‘vote’ in the chat was not a consensus call, but an informal taking the temperature of the room to help the staff add nuance to the Google spreadsheet to improve its use as a tool for further discussion next Monday the 8th when we hope the SSC can come to agreement and then move a 48-hour consensus call held on the SSC list.

We hope this is helpful and that you are enjoying your family time. Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Kind regards, Saewon & Julie

On Jul 1, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com> wrote:

 i could not make the call today as I am on family vacation.

Please consider that "Number of votes in chat during call" is an inappropriate way to gauge consensus in any ICANN working group. This is an age old issue, that I believe was resolved ages ago with Working Group guidelines that specified this. It is simply not fair to give more disregard anyone's 'vote' merely because they were not able to attend a call. In other words, those who cannot attend any particular call must have precisely equal voting rights to all other members of the SSC.

In my humble opinion, those of us who could not make the call must still be allowed to 'vote' and have that considered equally to the votes that were cast.

[image: Logo]

Mike Rodenbaugh

address:

548 Market Street, Box 55819

San Francisco, CA 94104

email:

mike@rodenbaugh.com

phone:

+1 (415) 738-8087 *WORLD TRADEMARK REVIEW "WTR 1000" Top Global TM Counsel* *2012 to present [Book a Meeting [cloudhq.net] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.cloudhq.net/meeting/PXjH0Swjh8IKL2BidWR__;!!PtGJab4!762zncGoFyOvobYtvStLiVmmo14JaShuw2D5nNxyi_cKnhQNpU5Ym9BkJXc-cP1kFfrSoolggoe_WnTN30xX7_TCNQ$>]*

On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 11:06 PM Karen Day via Gnso-ssc <gnso-ssc@icann.org> wrote:

...

Hi everyone, Based on what's in the new spreadsheet Saewon has circulated, and what we discussed on the call today, I would like to suggest that we have staff circulate another survey monkey with only the ranking section and with only these top 13 candidates' names listed. We would each rank this group only and then see who is in the top seven spots. In these 13 candidates we have every region represented. I would submit that it would then be up to the individual committee member to decide what criteria influences their rankings.

I would ask that these rankings be submitted by 23:00 on Friday to allow staff time to tabulate the results prior to our call on Monday.

For those members who did not respond to the first survey and weren't on the call today, please do listen to the recording and review these materials so that you can participate in this ranking activity. Your participation is vital to our mission.

Thanks!

*Karen Day*

Tel: +1 (919) 531-6016

------------------------------ *From:* Saewon Lee via Gnso-ssc <gnso-ssc@icann.org> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2024 4:30 PM *To:* Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>; gnso-ssc@icann.org < gnso-ssc@icann.org> *Cc:* Alperen Eken <alperen.eken@icann.org> *Subject:* [Gnso-ssc] Suggested List of Candidates (with Notes) | SSC - Pilot Holistic Review candidates evaluation call | Monday, 01 July 2024

*EXTERNAL*

Dear SSC members,

Per our call today, please find the * google spreadsheet* that contains the votes during the call and ranking that follows: *https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P9XZ3hd0J6GfaOpStV92zSpWDkqXwl7rmatN... [protect.checkpoint.com] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://protect.checkpoint.com/v2/___https:/*docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P9XZ3hd0J6GfaOpStV92zSpWDkqXwl7rmatNfwS07uU/edit?usp=sharing___.YzJ1OnNhc2luc3RpdHV0ZTpjOm86YWJjZjUxYTZiNjY0NGJkM2Q5MDRlM2RlMjk3MTZiNjc6NjpjOTJkOmFiNDk0Y2VjNDUwNDRhMGEzMzBhMDc0ZWFjNDYyNWM5NDY2N2Y5MTkzMDkzYjU1MGM3ZTcwMDk0ZDRjMDNmOTE6aDpUOk4__;Lw!!PtGJab4!762zncGoFyOvobYtvStLiVmmo14JaShuw2D5nNxyi_cKnhQNpU5Ym9BkJXc-cP1kFfrSoolggoe_WnTN30zfduQ3iA$>*

*Some points to note from the spreadsheet ranking:*

- The order of names (No. in A column) is in the order of ranking from today’s call. - The Top 9 (until Ranking 7) have 3 votes, and the Top 13 (until Ranking 10) have 2 votes. (I could not cut the Top 10 and/or the Top 12 due to the identical number of votes) - The column J in red shows the poll results to compare to: In ranking 7’s, Marie Pattullo overlaps with the Poll result; In ranking 10’s there are no overlapping candidates. - Mark Datysgeld that ranked 3rd in the Poll Result is excluded in the call ranking today based on the discussions (i.e., previous SSC appointee)

Other than the spreadsheet with rankings to help the members with the decision, *kindly find the attached survey results*, that were also shared in the meeting, for your reference.

Below, you will also find *the notes/details from the meeting* to help you in your decision-making process.

Kind regards,

Julie and Saewon.

*Notes and Action Items*

*SSC’s Pilot Holistic Review Candidates Evaluation on Monday, 01 July 2024**, at 18:00 UTC.*

*[Action Items]*

1. *GNSO Staff Support to share a google spreadsheet with the list of candidates and ranking results from the call [COMPLETE]* 2. *GNSO Secretariat to send an invite for the 8 July and 15 July Meetings to take place at 18:00 UTC.*

*[Notes]*

*1. Welcome & SOIs*

- N/A

*2. Pilot Holistic Review Candidates Evaluation*

*a. Poll Results*

- See the attached files for the poll result details.

- 6 responses for 19 candidates – Team can discuss the candidates based on the ranking, but it is not the decision-making factor (The poll is to be just a guidance, NOT the decision)

- The results were show the ranking 1-7 (list below)

*b. Candidates Evaluation*

- 7 candidates were ranked in the following order based on the poll results:

1. Anil Jain

2. Marie Pattullo

3. Julf (Johan) Helsingius

3. Mark Datysgeld

5. Caleb Ogundele

6. Tony Holmes

6. James Gannon

- *Discussion points:* - The SSC Chair pointed out that Mark Datysgeld was one of the last SSC members, if a need to consider when allowing for different people to participate. - Geographic criteria does not seem to be considered within this result and may need a different approach - Any term limits for these candidates? – No. Subject to the duration of the project as it will be more like a PDP/WG.

*c. Suggested List of Candidates*

- *Discussion points:* - How should the evaluation process proceed was discussed, and a suggestion was to select the top 10, then drop to 7 (or top 12) based on the region, participation, recent project, etc. - A suggestion that Diversity must be put into consideration as regions cannot be left unconsidered was raised and agreed upon by the members. - Each member shared their rankings and they are as follows (in the order of ranking):

- Karen: Tony Holmes, Anil Jain, Bekono Pascal, Caleb Ogundele, Emmanuel Vitus, Gbadamosi Gbadamosi, Sophie Hey, Poncelet Ileleji, James Gannon, Julf Helsingius (4 from Africa, 4 Europe, 1 NA, 1 AP) – Mark Datysgeld was dropped as he was our last appointee. - Jothan: Same as above for Top 7 + Sophie Hey, Hector Ariel Manoff, Akinmoyeje Benjamin - Bruna: Anil Jain, Caleb Ogundele, James Ganon, Julf Helsingius, Marie Pattullo, Sophie Hey, Pedro Lana, Tony Holmes - Remmy: Anil Jain, Caleb Ogundele, James Ganon, Julf Helsingius, Marie Pattullo, Sophie Hey, Akinmoyeje Benjamin, Tony Holmes, Emmanuel Vitus, Pedro Lana - Segunfunmi: Anil Jain, Marie Pattullo, Caleb Ogundele, Mark Datysgeld, Akinmoyeje Benjamin, Julf Helsingius, and Tony Holmes

*d. Timing of Consensus Call*

- Consensus Call will be held post-8 July after last discussion and consideration

*3. GAC Liaison Selection Process -- Timing of Meeting on Monday, 15 July (1800 or 1900 UTC)*

- Confirmed for 18:00 UTC for the GAC liaison selection meeting

- For the GAC liaison process, the candidate list can be shared with the members, for easy review, via a google spreadsheet as the GAC liaison selection process is managed by the GNSO Staff Support.

*4. AOB*

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Well I am confused since Karen suggested "that we have staff circulate another survey monkey with only the ranking section and with only these top 13 candidates' names listed." So it sounds like the other candidates would be removed from further consideration. Apologies if I am misunderstanding... [image: Logo] Mike Rodenbaugh address: 548 Market Street, Box 55819 San Francisco, CA 94104 email: mike@rodenbaugh.com phone: +1 (415) 738-8087 *WORLD TRADEMARK REVIEW "WTR 1000" Top Global TM Counsel* *2012 to present [Book a Meeting <https://www.cloudhq.net/meeting/VqpwDUgEaopDKNAMznQe>]* On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 1:58 AM Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org> wrote:

Hi Mike,

The polling tool is just that — a tool to aid further discussion on Monday’s call. It is not for making decisions. No candidates are excluded from consideration and the poll is not mandatory. All SSC members should feel free to suggest any candidates. The decision-making consensus call will happen on the SSC list after the next meeting, not during the meeting, so those not in the meeting can participate.

Kind regards, Saewon & Julie

On Jul 1, 2024, at 7:27 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com> wrote: 

Thanks Julie for the further explanation. But it seems a vote was conducted and now Karen is proposing cutting about 1/3 of the candidates out from further consideration, based on the 'vote' tally from the meeting, documented in the spreadsheet. That would be inappropriate. Am I missing something?

It seems to me that vote needs to be conducted by email, not via a phone call.

[image: Logo]

Mike Rodenbaugh

address:

548 Market Street, Box 55819

San Francisco, CA 94104

email:

mike@rodenbaugh.com

phone:

+1 (415) 738-8087 *WORLD TRADEMARK REVIEW "WTR 1000" Top Global TM Counsel* *2012 to present [Book a Meeting [cloudhq.net] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.cloudhq.net/meeting/mLLNepTuEzmehnGNTW45__;!!PtGJab4!6D6uIpzXoUo_94W3cJhDAxkoXMEjm2fRixhCE36nhbt0LUBaUc1RTbmlPyzAgRLDGe5KANHPQuxZFc0liAQtkwwRFw$>]*

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 1:11 AM Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org> wrote:

...

Hi Mike,

Apologies if it was not clear, but the SSC has not conducted a consensus call and will not do so until after next week’s meeting on 08 July and only after being announced in advance and by the Working Group Guidelines as you have noted. And according to those Guidelines there will be no vote, rather a call for consensus in which all SSC members can participate. The ‘vote’ in the chat was not a consensus call, but an informal taking the temperature of the room to help the staff add nuance to the Google spreadsheet to improve its use as a tool for further discussion next Monday the 8th when we hope the SSC can come to agreement and then move a 48-hour consensus call held on the SSC list.

We hope this is helpful and that you are enjoying your family time. Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Kind regards, Saewon & Julie

On Jul 1, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com> wrote:

 i could not make the call today as I am on family vacation.

Please consider that "Number of votes in chat during call" is an inappropriate way to gauge consensus in any ICANN working group. This is an age old issue, that I believe was resolved ages ago with Working Group guidelines that specified this. It is simply not fair to give more disregard anyone's 'vote' merely because they were not able to attend a call. In other words, those who cannot attend any particular call must have precisely equal voting rights to all other members of the SSC.

In my humble opinion, those of us who could not make the call must still be allowed to 'vote' and have that considered equally to the votes that were cast.

[image: Logo]

Mike Rodenbaugh

address:

548 Market Street, Box 55819

San Francisco, CA 94104

email:

mike@rodenbaugh.com

phone:

+1 (415) 738-8087 *WORLD TRADEMARK REVIEW "WTR 1000" Top Global TM Counsel* *2012 to present [Book a Meeting [cloudhq.net] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.cloudhq.net/meeting/PXjH0Swjh8IKL2BidWR__;!!PtGJab4!762zncGoFyOvobYtvStLiVmmo14JaShuw2D5nNxyi_cKnhQNpU5Ym9BkJXc-cP1kFfrSoolggoe_WnTN30xX7_TCNQ$>]*

On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 11:06 PM Karen Day via Gnso-ssc < gnso-ssc@icann.org> wrote:

...

Hi everyone, Based on what's in the new spreadsheet Saewon has circulated, and what we discussed on the call today, I would like to suggest that we have staff circulate another survey monkey with only the ranking section and with only these top 13 candidates' names listed. We would each rank this group only and then see who is in the top seven spots. In these 13 candidates we have every region represented. I would submit that it would then be up to the individual committee member to decide what criteria influences their rankings.

I would ask that these rankings be submitted by 23:00 on Friday to allow staff time to tabulate the results prior to our call on Monday.

For those members who did not respond to the first survey and weren't on the call today, please do listen to the recording and review these materials so that you can participate in this ranking activity. Your participation is vital to our mission.

Thanks!

*Karen Day*

Tel: +1 (919) 531-6016

------------------------------ *From:* Saewon Lee via Gnso-ssc <gnso-ssc@icann.org> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2024 4:30 PM *To:* Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>; gnso-ssc@icann.org < gnso-ssc@icann.org> *Cc:* Alperen Eken <alperen.eken@icann.org> *Subject:* [Gnso-ssc] Suggested List of Candidates (with Notes) | SSC - Pilot Holistic Review candidates evaluation call | Monday, 01 July 2024

*EXTERNAL*

Dear SSC members,

Per our call today, please find the * google spreadsheet* that contains the votes during the call and ranking that follows: *https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P9XZ3hd0J6GfaOpStV92zSpWDkqXwl7rmatN... [protect.checkpoint.com] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://protect.checkpoint.com/v2/___https:/*docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P9XZ3hd0J6GfaOpStV92zSpWDkqXwl7rmatNfwS07uU/edit?usp=sharing___.YzJ1OnNhc2luc3RpdHV0ZTpjOm86YWJjZjUxYTZiNjY0NGJkM2Q5MDRlM2RlMjk3MTZiNjc6NjpjOTJkOmFiNDk0Y2VjNDUwNDRhMGEzMzBhMDc0ZWFjNDYyNWM5NDY2N2Y5MTkzMDkzYjU1MGM3ZTcwMDk0ZDRjMDNmOTE6aDpUOk4__;Lw!!PtGJab4!762zncGoFyOvobYtvStLiVmmo14JaShuw2D5nNxyi_cKnhQNpU5Ym9BkJXc-cP1kFfrSoolggoe_WnTN30zfduQ3iA$>*

*Some points to note from the spreadsheet ranking:*

- The order of names (No. in A column) is in the order of ranking from today’s call. - The Top 9 (until Ranking 7) have 3 votes, and the Top 13 (until Ranking 10) have 2 votes. (I could not cut the Top 10 and/or the Top 12 due to the identical number of votes) - The column J in red shows the poll results to compare to: In ranking 7’s, Marie Pattullo overlaps with the Poll result; In ranking 10’s there are no overlapping candidates. - Mark Datysgeld that ranked 3rd in the Poll Result is excluded in the call ranking today based on the discussions (i.e., previous SSC appointee)

Other than the spreadsheet with rankings to help the members with the decision, *kindly find the attached survey results*, that were also shared in the meeting, for your reference.

Below, you will also find *the notes/details from the meeting* to help you in your decision-making process.

Kind regards,

Julie and Saewon.

*Notes and Action Items*

*SSC’s Pilot Holistic Review Candidates Evaluation on Monday, 01 July 2024**, at 18:00 UTC.*

*[Action Items]*

1. *GNSO Staff Support to share a google spreadsheet with the list of candidates and ranking results from the call [COMPLETE]* 2. *GNSO Secretariat to send an invite for the 8 July and 15 July Meetings to take place at 18:00 UTC.*

*[Notes]*

*1. Welcome & SOIs*

- N/A

*2. Pilot Holistic Review Candidates Evaluation*

*a. Poll Results*

- See the attached files for the poll result details.

- 6 responses for 19 candidates – Team can discuss the candidates based on the ranking, but it is not the decision-making factor (The poll is to be just a guidance, NOT the decision)

- The results were show the ranking 1-7 (list below)

*b. Candidates Evaluation*

- 7 candidates were ranked in the following order based on the poll results:

1. Anil Jain

2. Marie Pattullo

3. Julf (Johan) Helsingius

3. Mark Datysgeld

5. Caleb Ogundele

6. Tony Holmes

6. James Gannon

- *Discussion points:* - The SSC Chair pointed out that Mark Datysgeld was one of the last SSC members, if a need to consider when allowing for different people to participate. - Geographic criteria does not seem to be considered within this result and may need a different approach - Any term limits for these candidates? – No. Subject to the duration of the project as it will be more like a PDP/WG.

*c. Suggested List of Candidates*

- *Discussion points:* - How should the evaluation process proceed was discussed, and a suggestion was to select the top 10, then drop to 7 (or top 12) based on the region, participation, recent project, etc. - A suggestion that Diversity must be put into consideration as regions cannot be left unconsidered was raised and agreed upon by the members. - Each member shared their rankings and they are as follows (in the order of ranking):

- Karen: Tony Holmes, Anil Jain, Bekono Pascal, Caleb Ogundele, Emmanuel Vitus, Gbadamosi Gbadamosi, Sophie Hey, Poncelet Ileleji, James Gannon, Julf Helsingius (4 from Africa, 4 Europe, 1 NA, 1 AP) – Mark Datysgeld was dropped as he was our last appointee. - Jothan: Same as above for Top 7 + Sophie Hey, Hector Ariel Manoff, Akinmoyeje Benjamin - Bruna: Anil Jain, Caleb Ogundele, James Ganon, Julf Helsingius, Marie Pattullo, Sophie Hey, Pedro Lana, Tony Holmes - Remmy: Anil Jain, Caleb Ogundele, James Ganon, Julf Helsingius, Marie Pattullo, Sophie Hey, Akinmoyeje Benjamin, Tony Holmes, Emmanuel Vitus, Pedro Lana - Segunfunmi: Anil Jain, Marie Pattullo, Caleb Ogundele, Mark Datysgeld, Akinmoyeje Benjamin, Julf Helsingius, and Tony Holmes

*d. Timing of Consensus Call*

- Consensus Call will be held post-8 July after last discussion and consideration

*3. GAC Liaison Selection Process -- Timing of Meeting on Monday, 15 July (1800 or 1900 UTC)*

- Confirmed for 18:00 UTC for the GAC liaison selection meeting

- For the GAC liaison process, the candidate list can be shared with the members, for easy review, via a google spreadsheet as the GAC liaison selection process is managed by the GNSO Staff Support.

*4. AOB*

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Hi Mike, Not trying to mandate any course of action or exclude anyone. Just tossed a suggestion out to keep the discussion moving since we have a lot of work and not a lot of time. Apologies for the confusion. I gladly withdraw it. Best, Karen Karen L. Day, ACP NCCP SAS<https://www.sas.com/> - Principal Legal Specialist 919-531-6016 Office 919-599-4356 Mobile ________________________________ From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 8:18 PM To: Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com> Cc: Karen Day <Karen.Day@sas.com>; gnso-ssc@icann.org <gnso-ssc@icann.org>; Saewon Lee <saewon.lee@icann.org>; Alperen Eken <alperen.eken@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-ssc] Re: Suggested List of Candidates (with Notes) | SSC - Pilot Holistic Review candidates evaluation call | Monday, 01 July 2024 EXTERNAL Hi Mike, No candidates are removed from consideration. We’ll try to make that clear in any further communications. Kind regards, Saewon & Julie On Jul 1, 2024, at 8:03 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com> wrote:  Well I am confused since Karen suggested "that we have staff circulate another survey monkey with only the ranking section and with only these top 13 candidates' names listed." So it sounds like the other candidates would be removed from further consideration. Apologies if I am misunderstanding... [Logo] Mike Rodenbaugh address: 548 Market Street, Box 55819 San Francisco, CA 94104 email: mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com> phone: +1 (415) 738-8087 WORLD TRADEMARK REVIEW "WTR 1000" Top Global TM Counsel 2012 to present [Book a Meeting [cloudhq.net]<https://protect.checkpoint.com/v2/___https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www...>] On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 1:58 AM Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> wrote: Hi Mike, The polling tool is just that — a tool to aid further discussion on Monday’s call. It is not for making decisions. No candidates are excluded from consideration and the poll is not mandatory. All SSC members should feel free to suggest any candidates. The decision-making consensus call will happen on the SSC list after the next meeting, not during the meeting, so those not in the meeting can participate. Kind regards, Saewon & Julie On Jul 1, 2024, at 7:27 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>> wrote:  Thanks Julie for the further explanation. But it seems a vote was conducted and now Karen is proposing cutting about 1/3 of the candidates out from further consideration, based on the 'vote' tally from the meeting, documented in the spreadsheet. That would be inappropriate. Am I missing something? It seems to me that vote needs to be conducted by email, not via a phone call. [Logo] Mike Rodenbaugh address: 548 Market Street, Box 55819 San Francisco, CA 94104 email: mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com> phone: +1 (415) 738-8087 WORLD TRADEMARK REVIEW "WTR 1000" Top Global TM Counsel 2012 to present [Book a Meeting [cloudhq.net]<https://protect.checkpoint.com/v2/___https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www...>] On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 1:11 AM Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> wrote: Hi Mike, Apologies if it was not clear, but the SSC has not conducted a consensus call and will not do so until after next week’s meeting on 08 July and only after being announced in advance and by the Working Group Guidelines as you have noted. And according to those Guidelines there will be no vote, rather a call for consensus in which all SSC members can participate. The ‘vote’ in the chat was not a consensus call, but an informal taking the temperature of the room to help the staff add nuance to the Google spreadsheet to improve its use as a tool for further discussion next Monday the 8th when we hope the SSC can come to agreement and then move a 48-hour consensus call held on the SSC list. We hope this is helpful and that you are enjoying your family time. Please let us know if we can be of further assistance. Kind regards, Saewon & Julie On Jul 1, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>> wrote:  i could not make the call today as I am on family vacation. Please consider that "Number of votes in chat during call" is an inappropriate way to gauge consensus in any ICANN working group. This is an age old issue, that I believe was resolved ages ago with Working Group guidelines that specified this. It is simply not fair to give more disregard anyone's 'vote' merely because they were not able to attend a call. In other words, those who cannot attend any particular call must have precisely equal voting rights to all other members of the SSC. In my humble opinion, those of us who could not make the call must still be allowed to 'vote' and have that considered equally to the votes that were cast. [Logo] Mike Rodenbaugh address: 548 Market Street, Box 55819 San Francisco, CA 94104 email: mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com> phone: +1 (415) 738-8087 WORLD TRADEMARK REVIEW "WTR 1000" Top Global TM Counsel 2012 to present [Book a Meeting [cloudhq.net]<https://protect.checkpoint.com/v2/___https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www...>] On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 11:06 PM Karen Day via Gnso-ssc <gnso-ssc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ssc@icann.org>> wrote: Hi everyone, Based on what's in the new spreadsheet Saewon has circulated, and what we discussed on the call today, I would like to suggest that we have staff circulate another survey monkey with only the ranking section and with only these top 13 candidates' names listed. We would each rank this group only and then see who is in the top seven spots. In these 13 candidates we have every region represented. I would submit that it would then be up to the individual committee member to decide what criteria influences their rankings. I would ask that these rankings be submitted by 23:00 on Friday to allow staff time to tabulate the results prior to our call on Monday. For those members who did not respond to the first survey and weren't on the call today, please do listen to the recording and review these materials so that you can participate in this ranking activity. Your participation is vital to our mission. Thanks! Karen Day Tel: +1 (919) 531-6016 ________________________________ From: Saewon Lee via Gnso-ssc <gnso-ssc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ssc@icann.org>> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 4:30 PM To: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>; gnso-ssc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ssc@icann.org> <gnso-ssc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ssc@icann.org>> Cc: Alperen Eken <alperen.eken@icann.org<mailto:alperen.eken@icann.org>> Subject: [Gnso-ssc] Suggested List of Candidates (with Notes) | SSC - Pilot Holistic Review candidates evaluation call | Monday, 01 July 2024 EXTERNAL Dear SSC members, Per our call today, please find the google spreadsheet that contains the votes during the call and ranking that follows: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P9XZ3hd0J6GfaOpStV92zSpWDkqXwl7rmatN... [protect.checkpoint.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://protect.checkpoint.com/v2/___https:/*doc...> Some points to note from the spreadsheet ranking: * The order of names (No. in A column) is in the order of ranking from today’s call. * The Top 9 (until Ranking 7) have 3 votes, and the Top 13 (until Ranking 10) have 2 votes. (I could not cut the Top 10 and/or the Top 12 due to the identical number of votes) * The column J in red shows the poll results to compare to: In ranking 7’s, Marie Pattullo overlaps with the Poll result; In ranking 10’s there are no overlapping candidates. * Mark Datysgeld that ranked 3rd in the Poll Result is excluded in the call ranking today based on the discussions (i.e., previous SSC appointee) Other than the spreadsheet with rankings to help the members with the decision, kindly find the attached survey results, that were also shared in the meeting, for your reference. Below, you will also find the notes/details from the meeting to help you in your decision-making process. Kind regards, Julie and Saewon. Notes and Action Items SSC’s Pilot Holistic Review Candidates Evaluation on Monday, 01 July 2024, at 18:00 UTC. [Action Items] 1. GNSO Staff Support to share a google spreadsheet with the list of candidates and ranking results from the call [COMPLETE] 2. GNSO Secretariat to send an invite for the 8 July and 15 July Meetings to take place at 18:00 UTC. [Notes] 1. Welcome & SOIs - N/A 2. Pilot Holistic Review Candidates Evaluation a. Poll Results - See the attached files for the poll result details. - 6 responses for 19 candidates – Team can discuss the candidates based on the ranking, but it is not the decision-making factor (The poll is to be just a guidance, NOT the decision) - The results were show the ranking 1-7 (list below) b. Candidates Evaluation - 7 candidates were ranked in the following order based on the poll results: 1. Anil Jain 2. Marie Pattullo 3. Julf (Johan) Helsingius 3. Mark Datysgeld 5. Caleb Ogundele 6. Tony Holmes 6. James Gannon * Discussion points: * The SSC Chair pointed out that Mark Datysgeld was one of the last SSC members, if a need to consider when allowing for different people to participate. * Geographic criteria does not seem to be considered within this result and may need a different approach * Any term limits for these candidates? – No. Subject to the duration of the project as it will be more like a PDP/WG. c. Suggested List of Candidates * Discussion points: * How should the evaluation process proceed was discussed, and a suggestion was to select the top 10, then drop to 7 (or top 12) based on the region, participation, recent project, etc. * A suggestion that Diversity must be put into consideration as regions cannot be left unconsidered was raised and agreed upon by the members. * Each member shared their rankings and they are as follows (in the order of ranking): * Karen: Tony Holmes, Anil Jain, Bekono Pascal, Caleb Ogundele, Emmanuel Vitus, Gbadamosi Gbadamosi, Sophie Hey, Poncelet Ileleji, James Gannon, Julf Helsingius (4 from Africa, 4 Europe, 1 NA, 1 AP) – Mark Datysgeld was dropped as he was our last appointee. * Jothan: Same as above for Top 7 + Sophie Hey, Hector Ariel Manoff, Akinmoyeje Benjamin * Bruna: Anil Jain, Caleb Ogundele, James Ganon, Julf Helsingius, Marie Pattullo, Sophie Hey, Pedro Lana, Tony Holmes * Remmy: Anil Jain, Caleb Ogundele, James Ganon, Julf Helsingius, Marie Pattullo, Sophie Hey, Akinmoyeje Benjamin, Tony Holmes, Emmanuel Vitus, Pedro Lana * Segunfunmi: Anil Jain, Marie Pattullo, Caleb Ogundele, Mark Datysgeld, Akinmoyeje Benjamin, Julf Helsingius, and Tony Holmes d. Timing of Consensus Call - Consensus Call will be held post-8 July after last discussion and consideration 3. GAC Liaison Selection Process -- Timing of Meeting on Monday, 15 July (1800 or 1900 UTC) - Confirmed for 18:00 UTC for the GAC liaison selection meeting - For the GAC liaison process, the candidate list can be shared with the members, for easy review, via a google spreadsheet as the GAC liaison selection process is managed by the GNSO Staff Support. 4. 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