January 2014 - Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl

Revised Working Principles document for review and further discussion
by Mary Wong Feb. 6, 2014

Feb. 6, 2014

Dear all, Attached is the Working Principles document, revised to reflect the sub-team meeting earlier today. The latest revisions show up in green, but I've also kept last week's edits (in red and dark blue) to reflect the changes that have been made over the last two weeks. I have, however, removed comments that were dealt with and resolved by today's discussion as well as sidebars relating to formatting, to make the document easier to read. As noted on the call today, Avri will provide suggested language for what is now Proposed Policy Principle 2(b) relating to diversity of participation including the possibility of adding this as a footnote to the Overarching Principle rather than as a separate principle in this section before the meeting next week. It is expected that this next meeting will focus on discussion of the Proposed Principles relating to Implementation. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org * One World. One Internet. *

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P&I Principle subteam Transcription 30 January 2014
by Nathalie Peregrine Jan. 31, 2014

Jan. 31, 2014

Dear all, Please fine attached the transcription of the Policy and Implementation Principle sub team call held on the 30th January 2014 Kind regards Nathalie

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MP3 Policy and Implementation Principles Sub Team - Thursday 30 January 2014
by Nathalie Peregrine Jan. 30, 2014

Jan. 30, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Policy and Implementation Working Principles Sub-Team call held on Thursday 30 January 2014 at 21:00 UTC: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-implementation-20140130-en.mp3 Attendees: Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Chuck Gomes- RySG Alan Greenberg - At-Large Avri Doria - NCSG Tom Barrett - RrSG Greg Shatan - IPC Apologies: Michael Graham - IPC Nic Steinbach- RrSG Marika Konings ICANN staff: Mary Wong Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Peregrine For GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 30 January 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Policy & Implementation Principles (0B) Sub-Team meeting on the 30th of January 2014 at 2100 UTC Alan Greenberg:Dialing in now. Greg Shatan:Also dialing in. Nathalie Peregrine:correct Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I'm ok with switching community with stakeholder that does help in the clarification/classification Avri Doria:we may have to provide a definition of impact analysis. and i volunteer if we need to do so. Mary Wong 2:@Avri, that could be helpful; we can include a proposed definition in a footnote to that phrase for the full WG. Avri Doria:ok, i will take it a an action for next week. hope i remmber before the last minute. Tom Barrett - EnCirca:i will need to call in. Alan Greenberg:Back Avri Doria:Stakeholder Impact Analysis: Assessment of the effect of policy and implementation outcomes in light of their possible consequences on ICANN stakeholders. Avri Doria:that was the footnote, that was requested y Mary. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:leave Cheryl Langdon-Orr::-) :-) :-) Avri Doria:unnecessary for chair to keep self naming. Avri Doria:but i have been repremanded for that beleif. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:exactly @chuck Avri Doria:can we have scrolling ability Mary Wong 2:Hi Avri - b/c I'm sharing my screen to edit I don't think so; if I uploaded the document as is in PDF then that can work (I believe). Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I prefer belts and baces on this Avri Doria:ok, of course makes sense. thanks Greg Shatan:braces = suspenders... Greg Shatan:The lawyer and the philosopher agree on this. Mary Wong 2:@Greg, I agree! :) Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bloody help I concede Cheryl Langdon-Orr:should read bloody hell Cheryl Langdon-Orr::-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Avri Doria:Greg, they often do, exccept for when they don't. Mary Wong 2:@Avri, @Greg, that must be why I often felt confused during jurisprudence classes at law school! Avri Doria:Law is rooted in words on the paper. Philosphy is rooted in anything you can make sense. Avri Doria:When everything is not bottom up how do you know when you have a bottom up situation. Greg Shatan:Hand-jacking!!! Mary Wong 2:LOL Cheryl Langdon-Orr:oh dear remember you have an aussie here Greg;-) Avri Doria:it did not take being australian Cheryl Langdon-Orr::-) Avri Doria:i think that once an impact is noticed, by whomever, that an ICANN action will affect, and when that impact has not already been handled, then there is an issue that requires bottom-up process. Greg Shatan:Perhaps an infelicitous turn of phrase.... :-) Avri Doria:transparency plus an alram system for the community. Avri Doria:We proabably will only need to do lawyerly reading when we end up in court. and that is ok, becasuee then there is a judge. Alan Greenberg:alarm system should be fall-back, with preferably something helping to make the first call. Avri Doria:substantial is fine with me, but like approproate it means almost nothing, but feels good. Avri Doria:should means (to me) that it is not must becasue sometimes there is a good reason not to di it. Avri Doria:... do it Avri Doria:i see should and must as real words with real meanings. not like substantivve. Avri Doria:i think recognized is better. determine happens after someone notices there is an issue. Alan Greenberg:Avri, I agree with you. I too think that recognize is better, but I am getting worn down by this word-by-word analysys Greg Shatan:Suggest recognize/may Mary Wong 2:To avoid giving everyone headaches I'll move the principle just discussed to the Implementation section after this call. Alan Greenberg:Sounds like a footnote to the original text! Cheryl Langdon-Orr:sorry team need to leave now can we start next week reviewing this text section please after airing it to the list of course Avri Doria:the footnote idea is good. Avri Doria:hey if we are late, we can meet twice weekly. Avri Doria:oh, darn i was supposed to send in definiton comments. Mary Wong 2:The Definitions sub-team is meeting again on Monday to discuss the WG feedback. Avri Doria:ok, so the latest stuff to comment on is on the main list? Mary Wong 2:@Avri I'll resend the latest doc to you. Avri Doria:Mary, thanks Nathalie Peregrine:of course, noted Tom Barrett - EnCirca:bye everyone

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Edits to Principles
by Gomes, Chuck Jan. 30, 2014

Jan. 30, 2014

Avri, Unless I missed it, I don't recall seeing your edits to paragraph 2.) a under the Policy and the Community section of the principles. Chuck "This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately."

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For your review - updated working principles document
by Marika Konings Jan. 30, 2014

Jan. 30, 2014

Dear All, Following our call yesterday, please find attached the updated working principles document including the changes discussed and agreed upon yesterday. Please provide any further input and/or suggestions you may have ahead of the next meeting on Thursday 30 January at 21.00 UTC. Best regards, Marika

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MP3 Policy and Implementation Principles Sub Team - Thursday 23 January 2014
by Julia Charvolen Jan. 23, 2014

Jan. 23, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Policy and Implementation Working Principles Sub-Team call held on Thursday 23 January 2014 at 21:00 UTC: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-implementation-20140123-en.mp3 Attendees: Cheryl Langdon-Orr – ALAC Chuck Gomes- RySG Nic Steinbach- RrSG Michael Graham – IPC Alan Greenberg – At-Large Avri Doria – NCSG Tom Barrett – RrSG Apologies: none ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Julia Charvolen ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Julia Charvolen For GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 23 January 2014: Julia Charvolen:Welcome to the Policy & Implementation Principles (0B) Sub-Team meeting on the 23rd of January 2014 at 2100 UTC Marika test:Am hearing music... Marika Konings:am here now Julia Charvolen:great, I told operator you were waiting Julia Charvolen:i waited for 5 minutes Nic Steinbach:maybe it would be helpful it was typed into chat... Julia Charvolen:Michael Graham joined the phone bridge Mary Wong:@Chuck, yes, as Michael says - the yellow were the new insertions made last week following the call this group had. Mary Wong:So basically they can all be removed from this version as they were added last week simply to highlight the differences between the version discussed on that call and the document I sent out after that for Nic to review. Avri Doria:communication is two way, othrwise it is notification Tom Barrett - EnCirca:should Referred be capitalized? does it imply something formal? Mary Wong:@Tom, there's no formal set of rules governing how referrals should be done, although there are various processes currently in place for different ways to iniitiate policy work. Alan Greenberg:I think we are again doing the work of the overall WG! Avri Doria:of course we are, you cannot do definaitons and principles withoiut doing that work.. Michael R. Graham:Sorry, all -- I have to go teach. I will review the recording before the next session. Nic Steinbach:I left all of the references in, but think that at this time we can drop all of the source references.... Avri Doria:i would like to get rid of the phrase after the - Marika test:numbering is not co-operating, will have to try and fix that after the call Avri Doria:you could have very clear plan that is unabigupously late Avri Doria:unambiguously? Cheryl Langdon-Orr:that works Tom Cheryl Langdon-Orr:perfect Avri Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes Tom Barrett - EnCirca:i agree with nic Cheryl Langdon-Orr:agree Nic Tom Barrett - EnCirca:@cheryl thanks for clarifying Cheryl Langdon-Orr:good progress and Yes to next week call Avri Doria:NO going back till we get to the end. Nic Steinbach:agree with Avri Marika Konings:I won't b e able to attend next week, but Mary will be there to provide staff support. Mary Wong:Large (figurative) shoes to fill but I'll try my best! Tom Barrett - EnCirca:byed everyone

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Couple of small edits proposed to Nic's last doc version...
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr Jan. 22, 2014

Jan. 22, 2014

Attached shows a few comments / proposed text <CLO> from me...

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Further updated working principles for your review
by Mary Wong Jan. 21, 2014

Jan. 21, 2014

Hello everyone, As discussed on the sub-team call earlier today, I've updated the Working Principles document to reflect: (1) the wording change to the definition of "multi stakeholder model", per Michael's input from the Definitions sub-team; (2) the reworked bullet points on the General Principles that reflect the basis of Policy and Implementation processes in ICANN's multi-stakeholder model; (3) removal of several Additional Principles that the group agreed were already incorporated into the three General Principles; and (4) a new "Section III" for the group to consider including as Explanatory Notes to the three General Principles (if needed). Please note that I've taken the liberty of deleting earlier comments in the previous version that were dealt with by the group today, and moved some remaining comments from the Additional Principles section to the new Section III as they do not seem to encapsulate additional principles but rather expound on specific aspects of the General Principles. Where I've added language, I've highlighted that in yellow in this new version. Should you wish to ensure that I have not inadvertently lost some comments or suggestions from the previous version, I attach that as well for your convenience. For the benefit of those sub team members who were not able to be on the call today, Nic Steinbach has kindly offered to further review and revise this updated document framework in time for the group's next meeting on Thursday 23 January. Thanks and cheers, Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org * One World. One Internet. * From: <Gomes>, Chuck <cgomes(a)verisign.com> Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 2:25 PM To: Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org>, Nic Steinbach <nic(a)name.com> Cc: "gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl(a)icann.org" <gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Updated working principles for your review > While encouraging sub-team members to comment on any items in this document, I > especially want to ask all of you to do one more review of the overarching > principle at the beginning. We spent most of our call last week working on > the wording of that and I would like to move past that in our call this week. > If you have any more comments or edits about the overarching principle, please > communicate them before our call on Thursday if at all possible. I would like > to spend no more than 5 or 10 minutes on the overarching principle at the > beginning of our call this week and move on to the other draft principles. > > Chuck > > > From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 5:59 AM > To: Nic Steinbach; Gomes, Chuck > Cc: gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl(a)icann.org > Subject: Re: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Updated working principles for your > review > > > Dear All, > > > > To facilitate your review, I've integrated Nic's comment into the document as > well as those sent by Avri earlier this week (see attached). Please feel free > to add any further comments to this version of the document. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marika > > > > From: Nic Steinbach <nic(a)name.com> > Date: Friday 10 January 2014 19:08 > To: Chuck Gomes <cgomes(a)verisign.com> > Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org>, > "gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl(a)icann.org" <gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl(a)icann.org> > Subject: Re: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Updated working principles for your > review > > > > Hello All, > > > > In the interest of kicking off an online discussion prior to next week's call, > I have added a few more comments to this doc. Focused on the principles we > hadn't gotten to in a meeting yet. > > > > Have a nice weekend, > > > > Nic > > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes(a)verisign.com> wrote: > > Thanks a lot Marika. > > When you or Mary have time, I think it would be helpful if the comments that > Avri sent yesterday were added to this document. I believe they dealt with > principles after the overarching principle so they did not come up in > yesterday¹s discussions but I don¹t want to lose those going forward. > > Chuck > > > From:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces@icann.org > [mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika > Konings > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:15 AM > To: gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl(a)icann.org > Subject: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Updated working principles for your > review > > > > Dear All, > > > > Please find attached for your review the latest version of the working > principles document as updated during our meeting yesterday. I also removed > the comments that I believe were addressed as part of yesterday's > conversation. > > > > Please share any additional comments and/or edits you have with the mailing > list ahead of our next meeting which has been scheduled for Thursday 16 > January at 21.00 UTC for 90 minutes. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Marika > > _______________________________________________ > Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl mailing list > Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl > > > > -- > > Nic Steinbach >

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P&I sub team Principle Transcription 16 January 2014
by Nathalie Peregrine Jan. 20, 2014

Jan. 20, 2014

Dear all, Please find attached the transcript of the Policy and Implementation Subteam meeting held on Thursday 16 January 2014 at 21:00 UTC. Kind regards Nathalie

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MP3 Policy and Implementation Principles Sub Team - Thursday 16 January 2014
by Nathalie Peregrine Jan. 16, 2014

Jan. 16, 2014

Dear All, The next Policy and Implementation Principles Sub-Team is scheduled for Thursday 23 January 2014 at 2100 UTC for 90 minutes. Please find the MP3 recording for the Policy and Implementation Working Principles Sub-Team call held on Thursday 16 January 2014 at 21:00 UTC: https://icann.box.com/shared/static/db48tii1okzvod3htaby.mp3 Attendees: Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Chuck Gomes- RySG Nic Steinbach- RrSG Michael Graham - IPC Alan Greenberg - At-Large Avri Doria - NCSG Tom Barrett - RrSG Apology: J.Scott Evans - BC ICANN staff: Mary Wong Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Peregrine For GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 16 January 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Policy & Implementation Principles (0B) Sub-Team meeting on the 16th January 2014 at 21:00 UTC Cheryl Langdon-Orr:understood Nic Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes Michael we could expand text toclarify Cheryl Langdon-Orr:add it elsewhere Cheryl Langdon-Orr:either works but prefer - Nic Steinbach:if you ordered it that way you could get rid of "the process" Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup Nathalie Peregrine:Alan Greenberg has joined the AC room Alan Greenberg:Listening but on in a moment Michael Graham -- Gnosis IP:Policy Development Processes must function in a bottom-up manner, and the process must not be conducted in a top-down manner and then imposed on stakeholders, although an exceptio may be made in emergency cases . . . Alan Greenberg:Will be on in a moment. Will have a comment Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup itcomes out of matters identified in Imp this goes to Michaels earlier point Michael Graham -- Gnosis IP:Trying to pull it into a single sentence and relate all three elements. ("exception") Nathalie Peregrine:Alan is on the birdge Cheryl Langdon-Orr:ergh Cheryl Langdon-Orr:to what Alan lssharing Cheryl Langdon-Orr:footnote works but deffinition needs to go back to deffinitios list/st at least for ratification Nathalie Peregrine:Avri Doria has joined the room Avri Doria:Apologies. I forgot. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:exactly Michael Cheryl Langdon-Orr:~could we use thetermChartering Organisation? Avri Doria:i cant read the screen at all Avri Doria:i can when i do full screen. Avri Doria:for any policy we don't have. i think this answer must be imposed. Avri Doria:any policy we dont have we will create. Avri Doria:nd the general principle is it comes back to the group that made the policy Avri Doria:otherwise. they could decide tthat it only related to some other group and the gnso never even gets notified. it MUST come back to the GNSO Alan Greenberg:Mary, I think that we need to take the "In all cases..." phrase and make it s single bullt. Avri Doria:CLO, if this was a general policy, i would agree. Mary Wong 2:Alan, are you referring to the new third bullet I just created? Alan Greenberg:No, the in all cases one. That is the simple part that none of us are debating. Avri Doria:that is why it comes back to the council Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Nathalie switching to mobile now dial out in say 2 mins Nathalie Peregrine:ok thanks Cheryl Nathalie Peregrine:We're trying to dial out to Cheryl's mobile and getting voicemail, I will let you know when she is back on the bridge Michael Graham -- Gnosis IP:I'm going to have to sign off -- will check the MP3. Nathalie Peregrine:Cheryl is back on Michael Graham -- Gnosis IP:I believe the Principle should be generally that the Implementation Process should not address Policy issues that may arise during their work. Sorry I have to go -- Avri Doria:i think it is a fantasy that issue werren't discussed. the understanidng is usually missing. Nathalie Peregrine:Tom Barrett has joined the AC room Nic Steinbach:I am going to have to step away for 10 minutes, but will remain in the room. Avri Doria:anything that is not derivative may mean it needs to be added to the chapeau Avri Doria:assuming i dont forget and get there late enough to only have an hour

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