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ISOC Puerto Rico was invited to Sao Paulo last year to participate and help during the creation of the LACRALO, which we did. However, at the time of the final vote to accept the OPs and MOU we were told that ISOC PR had been approved as an ALS but under NARALO (?). Because of this we could not vote or officially participate in the final ceremony. We were told that the decision was made based on the political relationship with the US. Who knows!?
Nevertheless, we can work with either RALO. The important thing is that we participate.
In Puerto Rico we have two official languages - Spanish and English. Since the motion is to go with official languages in the ALS, then Spanish should be included. If this is too much of a slippery slope to handle then send us to the LACRALO and there will be no language issues.
Eduardo Diaz President ISOC Puerto Rico
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:19 PM To: 'Evan Leibovitch' Cc: ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Language
Actually, they did ask if they could be LACRALO members - LACRALO determined it had no issue accepting them if they wanted to be - but that was last year before there was movement on forming the NARALO. But with regard to languages - if the agreement was for the official languages of the members of the regions, then, as PR is a member of the region, Spanish should be included. No matter how many or how few people speak it. ICANN did have a consultation going on the regional classification a while ago -I can check back to see what came of it - I don't recall seeing a report or anything yet. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:50 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'Robert Guerra'; ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Language
Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
Well - from what I remember - feel free to correct - Puerto Rico is officially bilingual, isn't it? And it is part of NARALO. I leave it up to the Puerto Rican NARALO member to decide whether to take this forward or not. I believe that after the meeting in SJ, there will be more ALS applicants from PR, so maybe then they can call for Spanish if they want to.
Well, then you open the issue of why there should be a RALO with only three participating jurisdictions.
Funny, elswehere in the world the RALO boundaries are drawn on continental boundaries. Newcomers can only wonder about the politics behind the decision to keep the Caribbean and Mexico out of North America on ICANN's globe.
Of course, one other option is to ask the Puerto Rican ALSs if they'd prefer to be part of the LAC-RALO
- Evan
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They were told that "Because of this we could not vote or officially participate in the final ceremony". WHAT?!?! Where the heck did something THAT bizarre idea come from??? They are either part of the NARALO with full privileges like anybody else or not. Personally, I think that they should get to choose which RALO they would like to be with although I do understand the thinking of having them as part of NA since they are part of the US. If they stick with us then Spanish would have to be included as one of our official languages. Nick: Is there an adequate budget for translations into both French and Spanish? D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:17 AM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Language Begin forwarded message: From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: 6 June 2007 03:57:20 BDT To: na-discuss-owner@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Auto-discard notification The attached message has been automatically discarded. From: " Eduardo Diaz, PE" <ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> Date: 6 June 2007 03:57:23 BDT To: <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>, "'Evan Leibovitch'" <evan@telly.org> Cc: "'NA Discuss'" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Language Reply-To: <ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> ISOC Puerto Rico was invited to Sao Paulo last year to participate and help during the creation of the LACRALO, which we did. However, at the time of the final vote to accept the OPs and MOU we were told that ISOC PR had been approved as an ALS but under NARALO (?). Because of this we could not vote or officially participate in the final ceremony. We were told that the decision was made based on the political relationship with the US. Who knows!? Nevertheless, we can work with either RALO. The important thing is that we participate. In Puerto Rico we have two official languages - Spanish and English. Since the motion is to go with official languages in the ALS, then Spanish should be included. If this is too much of a slippery slope to handle then send us to the LACRALO and there will be no language issues. Eduardo Diaz President ISOC Puerto Rico -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:19 PM To: 'Evan Leibovitch' Cc: ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Language Actually, they did ask if they could be LACRALO members - LACRALO determined it had no issue accepting them if they wanted to be - but that was last year before there was movement on forming the NARALO. But with regard to languages - if the agreement was for the official languages of the members of the regions, then, as PR is a member of the region, Spanish should be included. No matter how many or how few people speak it. ICANN did have a consultation going on the regional classification a while ago -I can check back to see what came of it - I don't recall seeing a report or anything yet. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:50 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'Robert Guerra'; ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Language Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: Well - from what I remember - feel free to correct - Puerto Rico is officially bilingual, isn't it? And it is part of NARALO. I leave it up to the Puerto Rican NARALO member to decide whether to take this forward or not. I believe that after the meeting in SJ, there will be more ALS applicants from PR, so maybe then they can call for Spanish if they want to. Well, then you open the issue of why there should be a RALO with only three participating jurisdictions. Funny, elswehere in the world the RALO boundaries are drawn on continental boundaries. Newcomers can only wonder about the politics behind the decision to keep the Caribbean and Mexico out of North America on ICANN's globe. Of course, one other option is to ask the Puerto Rican ALSs if they'd prefer to be part of the LAC-RALO - Evan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .ica nn.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
Darlene, I think there's a misunderstanding. ISOC PR couldn't participate in the LACRALO ceremony because they aren't part of that region. Of course they would be able to participate fully in any such for NARALO. On the second question: Since I already arrange translations into French (for Africa) and Spanish (for LAC), there is indeed funding for these languages. Of course we have to be selective as to what is translated but those languages are included basically for everything that does get translated at all. On 6 Jun 2007, at 14:29, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
They were told that “Because of this we could not vote or officially participate in the final ceremony“. WHAT?!?! Where the heck did something THAT bizarre idea come from??? They are either part of the NARALO with full privileges like anybody else or not.
Personally, I think that they should get to choose which RALO they would like to be with although I do understand the thinking of having them as part of NA since they are part of the US. If they stick with us then Spanish would have to be included as one of our official languages.
Nick: Is there an adequate budget for translations into both French and Spanish?
D
Darlene A. Thompson
Community Access Program Administrator
Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP
c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
Phone: (867) 975-6531
Fax: (867) 979-8870
dthompson@gov.nu.ca
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ISOC Puerto Rico was invited to Sao Paulo last year to participate and help
during the creation of the LACRALO, which we did. However, at the time of
the final vote to accept the OPs and MOU we were told that ISOC PR had been
approved as an ALS but under NARALO (?). Because of this we could not vote
or officially participate in the final ceremony. We were told that the
decision was made based on the political relationship with the US. Who
knows!?
Nevertheless, we can work with either RALO. The important thing is that we
participate.
In Puerto Rico we have two official languages - Spanish and English. Since
the motion is to go with official languages in the ALS, then Spanish should
be included. If this is too much of a slippery slope to handle then send us
to the LACRALO and there will be no language issues.
Eduardo Diaz
President
ISOC Puerto Rico
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A. Morris
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Evan Leibovitch'
Cc: ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com; 'NA Discuss'
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Language
Actually, they did ask if they could be LACRALO members - LACRALO determined
it had no issue accepting them if they wanted to be - but that was last year
before there was movement on forming the NARALO.
But with regard to languages - if the agreement was for the official
languages of the members of the regions, then, as PR is a member of the
region, Spanish should be included. No matter how many or how few people
speak it.
ICANN did have a consultation going on the regional classification a while
ago -I can check back to see what came of it - I don't recall seeing a
report or anything yet.
Jacqueline
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From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:50 PM
To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com
Cc: 'Robert Guerra'; ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com; 'NA Discuss'
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Language
Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
Well - from what I remember - feel free to correct - Puerto Rico is officially bilingual, isn't it? And it is part of NARALO. I leave it up to
the Puerto Rican NARALO member to decide whether to take this forward or
not. I believe that after the meeting in SJ, there will be more ALS
applicants from PR, so maybe then they can call for Spanish if they want to.
Well, then you open the issue of why there should be a RALO with only
three participating jurisdictions.
Funny, elswehere in the world the RALO boundaries are drawn on
continental boundaries. Newcomers can only wonder about the politics
behind the decision to keep the Caribbean and Mexico out of North
America on ICANN's globe.
Of course, one other option is to ask the Puerto Rican ALSs if they'd
prefer to be part of the LAC-RALO
- Evan
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Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
Darlene, I think there's a misunderstanding. ISOC PR couldn't participate in the LACRALO ceremony because they aren't part of that region. This of course is an arbitrary decision which could (and should) be subject to scrutiny and possible exception.
- Evan
Re: Evan's comment below: The whole idea of segmenting At Large Internet Users into geographic regions merits reconsideration. While we need ways of organizing ourselves and coordinating our activities, we might well find that language is a better organizing tool...or areas of interest. The At Large is up for in depth analysis this year as part of ICANN's ongoing internal review process, so we should have the opportunity to have input on this. Bret P.S. http://icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-30mar07.htm (Link to ALAC Internal Review Announcement) Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
Darlene, I think there's a misunderstanding. ISOC PR couldn't participate in the LACRALO ceremony because they aren't part of that region.
This of course is an arbitrary decision which could (and should) be subject to scrutiny and possible exception
It is not just At-Large which is split on a regional basis, but this same split is throughout ICANN - hence the importance of participating in the public consultation on regional composition :) On 7 Jun 2007, at 17:58, Bret Fausett wrote:
Re: Evan's comment below: The whole idea of segmenting At Large Internet Users into geographic regions merits reconsideration. While we need ways of organizing ourselves and coordinating our activities, we might well find that language is a better organizing tool...or areas of interest. The At Large is up for in depth analysis this year as part of ICANN's ongoing internal review process, so we should have the opportunity to have input on this.
Bret
P.S. http://icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-30mar07.htm (Link to ALAC Internal Review Announcement)
Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
Darlene, I think there's a misunderstanding. ISOC PR couldn't participate in the LACRALO ceremony because they aren't part of that region.
This of course is an arbitrary decision which could (and should) be subject to scrutiny and possible exception
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Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
The ICANN consultation on the regional division is still underway. NARALO should send comments. http://forum.icann.org/lists/geo-regions-comments/ Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Bret Fausett [mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:59 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Language Re: Evan's comment below: The whole idea of segmenting At Large Internet Users into geographic regions merits reconsideration. While we need ways of organizing ourselves and coordinating our activities, we might well find that language is a better organizing tool...or areas of interest. The At Large is up for in depth analysis this year as part of ICANN's ongoing internal review process, so we should have the opportunity to have input on this. Bret P.S. http://icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-30mar07.htm (Link to ALAC Internal Review Announcement) Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
Darlene, I think there's a misunderstanding. ISOC PR couldn't participate in the LACRALO ceremony because they aren't part of that region.
This of course is an arbitrary decision which could (and should) be subject to scrutiny and possible exception
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:) Good point. The ALSes of the North American region should consider sending comments. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:25 PM To: 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Language Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
The ICANN consultation on the regional division is still underway. NARALO should send comments. Shouldn't NARALO exist first? Darn details. ;-)
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The Registrar Constituency has posted its agenda for the upcoming San Juan session; that agenda includes a 45-minute presentation by ICANN Staff (John Jeffrey and Kurt Pritz) on Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) changes. It would be appreciated if the ALAC could receive a similar briefing as any such changes will assuredly impact the at-large community. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&c...
Will ask for it. I'll let you know when it is. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:46 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; 'NA Discuss' Subject: ICANN Staff briefing on RAA Changes The Registrar Constituency has posted its agenda for the upcoming San Juan session; that agenda includes a 45-minute presentation by ICANN Staff (John Jeffrey and Kurt Pritz) on Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) changes. It would be appreciated if the ALAC could receive a similar briefing as any such changes will assuredly impact the at-large community. ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&c s=bz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM
I wasn’t physically in Sao Paulo, but I do know the LACRALO discussed ISOC PR joining us long before and there was no objection raised at that time from the membership. However, as PR is officially (according to the ICANN regions) in NA, that might have been the legal objection to them participating in signing the LAC MoU. So ISOC PR is according to the ICANN regional distribution, officially part of the NARALO, with all rights and privileges thereof. Unless ICANN moves PR out of NA and into LAC – which isn’t happening anytime soon. Translations will be covered. As Nick said, most everything already has to be translated into Spanish for LAC, and the few NA-specific documents won’t be that much extra. Jacqueline From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:30 AM To: Nick Ashton-Hart; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Language They were told that “Because of this we could not vote or officially participate in the final ceremony“. WHAT?!?! Where the heck did something THAT bizarre idea come from??? They are either part of the NARALO with full privileges like anybody else or not. Personally, I think that they should get to choose which RALO they would like to be with although I do understand the thinking of having them as part of NA since they are part of the US. If they stick with us then Spanish would have to be included as one of our official languages. Nick: Is there an adequate budget for translations into both French and Spanish? D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca _____ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:17 AM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Language Begin forwarded message: From: HYPERLINK "mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"na-discuss-bounces@atlarg e-lists.icann.org Date: 6 June 2007 03:57:20 BDT To: HYPERLINK "mailto:na-discuss-owner@atlarge-lists.icann.org"na-discuss-owner@atlarge-li sts.icann.org Subject: Auto-discard notification The attached message has been automatically discarded. From: " Eduardo Diaz, PE" <HYPERLINK "mailto:ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com"ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> Date: 6 June 2007 03:57:23 BDT To: <HYPERLINK "mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com"jam@jacquelinemorris.com>, "'Evan Leibovitch'" <HYPERLINK "mailto:evan@telly.org"evan@telly.org> Cc: "'NA Discuss'" <HYPERLINK "mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org"na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.or g> Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Language Reply-To: <HYPERLINK "mailto:ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com"ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> ISOC Puerto Rico was invited to Sao Paulo last year to participate and help during the creation of the LACRALO, which we did. However, at the time of the final vote to accept the OPs and MOU we were told that ISOC PR had been approved as an ALS but under NARALO (?). Because of this we could not vote or officially participate in the final ceremony. We were told that the decision was made based on the political relationship with the US. Who knows!? Nevertheless, we can work with either RALO. The important thing is that we participate. In Puerto Rico we have two official languages - Spanish and English. Since the motion is to go with official languages in the ALS, then Spanish should be included. If this is too much of a slippery slope to handle then send us to the LACRALO and there will be no language issues. Eduardo Diaz President ISOC Puerto Rico -----Original Message----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"na-discuss-bounces@atlarg e-lists.icann.org [HYPERLINK "mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"mailto:na-discuss-bounces @atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:19 PM To: 'Evan Leibovitch' Cc: HYPERLINK "mailto:ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com"ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Language Actually, they did ask if they could be LACRALO members - LACRALO determined it had no issue accepting them if they wanted to be - but that was last year before there was movement on forming the NARALO. But with regard to languages - if the agreement was for the official languages of the members of the regions, then, as PR is a member of the region, Spanish should be included. No matter how many or how few people speak it. ICANN did have a consultation going on the regional classification a while ago -I can check back to see what came of it - I don't recall seeing a report or anything yet. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [HYPERLINK "mailto:evan@telly.org"mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:50 PM To: HYPERLINK "mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com"jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'Robert Guerra'; HYPERLINK "mailto:ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com"ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Language Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: Well - from what I remember - feel free to correct - Puerto Rico is officially bilingual, isn't it? And it is part of NARALO. I leave it up to the Puerto Rican NARALO member to decide whether to take this forward or not. I believe that after the meeting in SJ, there will be more ALS applicants from PR, so maybe then they can call for Spanish if they want to. Well, then you open the issue of why there should be a RALO with only three participating jurisdictions. Funny, elswehere in the world the RALO boundaries are drawn on continental boundaries. Newcomers can only wonder about the politics behind the decision to keep the Caribbean and Mexico out of North America on ICANN's globe. Of course, one other option is to ask the Puerto Rican ALSs if they'd prefer to be part of the LAC-RALO - Evan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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So the language issue is not an issue. Gracias. Eduardo Diaz ISOC PR -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:02 AM To: 'Thompson, Darlene'; 'Nick Ashton-Hart'; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Language I wasn't physically in Sao Paulo, but I do know the LACRALO discussed ISOC PR joining us long before and there was no objection raised at that time from the membership. However, as PR is officially (according to the ICANN regions) in NA, that might have been the legal objection to them participating in signing the LAC MoU. So ISOC PR is according to the ICANN regional distribution, officially part of the NARALO, with all rights and privileges thereof. Unless ICANN moves PR out of NA and into LAC - which isn't happening anytime soon. Translations will be covered. As Nick said, most everything already has to be translated into Spanish for LAC, and the few NA-specific documents won't be that much extra. Jacqueline From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:30 AM To: Nick Ashton-Hart; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Language They were told that "Because of this we could not vote or officially participate in the final ceremony". WHAT?!?! Where the heck did something THAT bizarre idea come from??? They are either part of the NARALO with full privileges like anybody else or not. Personally, I think that they should get to choose which RALO they would like to be with although I do understand the thinking of having them as part of NA since they are part of the US. If they stick with us then Spanish would have to be included as one of our official languages. Nick: Is there an adequate budget for translations into both French and Spanish? D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:17 AM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Language Begin forwarded message: From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: 6 June 2007 03:57:20 BDT To: na-discuss-owner@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Auto-discard notification The attached message has been automatically discarded. From: " Eduardo Diaz, PE" <ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> Date: 6 June 2007 03:57:23 BDT To: <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>, "'Evan Leibovitch'" <evan@telly.org> Cc: "'NA Discuss'" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Language Reply-To: <ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> ISOC Puerto Rico was invited to Sao Paulo last year to participate and help during the creation of the LACRALO, which we did. However, at the time of the final vote to accept the OPs and MOU we were told that ISOC PR had been approved as an ALS but under NARALO (?). Because of this we could not vote or officially participate in the final ceremony. We were told that the decision was made based on the political relationship with the US. Who knows!? Nevertheless, we can work with either RALO. The important thing is that we participate. In Puerto Rico we have two official languages - Spanish and English. Since the motion is to go with official languages in the ALS, then Spanish should be included. If this is too much of a slippery slope to handle then send us to the LACRALO and there will be no language issues. Eduardo Diaz President ISOC Puerto Rico -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:19 PM To: 'Evan Leibovitch' Cc: ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Language Actually, they did ask if they could be LACRALO members - LACRALO determined it had no issue accepting them if they wanted to be - but that was last year before there was movement on forming the NARALO. But with regard to languages - if the agreement was for the official languages of the members of the regions, then, as PR is a member of the region, Spanish should be included. No matter how many or how few people speak it. ICANN did have a consultation going on the regional classification a while ago -I can check back to see what came of it - I don't recall seeing a report or anything yet. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:50 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'Robert Guerra'; ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Language Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: Well - from what I remember - feel free to correct - Puerto Rico is officially bilingual, isn't it? And it is part of NARALO. I leave it up to the Puerto Rican NARALO member to decide whether to take this forward or not. I believe that after the meeting in SJ, there will be more ALS applicants from PR, so maybe then they can call for Spanish if they want to. Well, then you open the issue of why there should be a RALO with only three participating jurisdictions. Funny, elswehere in the world the RALO boundaries are drawn on continental boundaries. 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Discussion on the web405 mailing list today has revealed that organizational representative Dennis Wilen will not be attending the San Juan session owing to aggravations associated with ICANN bureaucracy. (Sorry, but as web405 list guidelines preclude public archiving of messages, the exact text of the complaint can't be rendered verbatim). May I ask that the interim chair of the NARALO and the Chair of the ALAC investigate this situation further. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469
I'm sorry to hear this. I hope it will be resolved as my travel situation ultimately was. --Wendy Danny Younger wrote:
Discussion on the web405 mailing list today has revealed that organizational representative Dennis Wilen will not be attending the San Juan session owing to aggravations associated with ICANN bureaucracy.
(Sorry, but as web405 list guidelines preclude public archiving of messages, the exact text of the complaint can't be rendered verbatim).
May I ask that the interim chair of the NARALO and the Chair of the ALAC investigate this situation further.
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OMG! If this is due to the one-person-per-ALS rule, he should still be able to come. IMHO, Brett is coming because he is our interim chair and is there to represent ALL of us. Therefore, there should be a second person allowed from his organization. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:20 AM To: 'Nick Ashton-Hart'; 'NA Discuss' Subject: [NA-Discuss] web405 Impacted by ICANN Bureaucracy Discussion on the web405 mailing list today has revealed that organizational representative Dennis Wilen will not be attending the San Juan session owing to aggravations associated with ICANN bureaucracy. (Sorry, but as web405 list guidelines preclude public archiving of messages, the exact text of the complaint can't be rendered verbatim). May I ask that the interim chair of the NARALO and the Chair of the ALAC investigate this situation further. ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
Hi Does anyone know WHY he can't come? Dennis, Brett, Danny? Please let me know. Thanks Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:39 AM To: Nick Ashton-Hart; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] web405 Impacted by ICANN Bureaucracy OMG! If this is due to the one-person-per-ALS rule, he should still be able to come. IMHO, Brett is coming because he is our interim chair and is there to represent ALL of us. Therefore, there should be a second person allowed from his organization. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:20 AM To: 'Nick Ashton-Hart'; 'NA Discuss' Subject: [NA-Discuss] web405 Impacted by ICANN Bureaucracy Discussion on the web405 mailing list today has revealed that organizational representative Dennis Wilen will not be attending the San Juan session owing to aggravations associated with ICANN bureaucracy. (Sorry, but as web405 list guidelines preclude public archiving of messages, the exact text of the complaint can't be rendered verbatim). May I ask that the interim chair of the NARALO and the Chair of the ALAC investigate this situation further. ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica nn.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM
The GNSO Committee investigating the requirements associated with the roll-out of new gTLDs has published its recommendations (in two parts). http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/pdp-dec05-fr-a-18jun07.pdf http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/pdp-dec05-fr-b-18jun07.pdf In my view, the report is very poorly drafted in that it fails to adequately record the minority viewpoints that were tendered during the consultative process. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
The Great Wall, the Colosseum and Machu Picchu are among the leading contenders to be the new seven wonders of the world as a massive poll enters its final month with votes already cast by more than 50 million people, organisers say. ... and yet the manager of the DNS can't manage to hold online global elections that would empower At-Large Directors... how pathetic. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
The Great Wall, the Colosseum and Machu Picchu are among the leading contenders to be the new seven wonders of the world as a massive poll enters its final month with votes already cast by more than 50 million people, organisers say. Yeah, and phone-in votes (and an active campiagn) keep no-talents on various reality shows. (http://www.votefortheworst.com/)
So what? As far as I'm concerned, the Colossus of Rhodes has nothing to worry about -- that is, if it was still standing. :-)
... and yet the manager of the DNS can't manage to hold online global elections that would empower At-Large Directors... how pathetic.
Pointless pseudo-petitions of trivial consequence are easy to do. A voting process that's secure, reliable and trusted is very hard to automate. There's a reason why Canada's low-tech pencil-and-paper election process arguably yields more secure -- and less-easily-manipulated -- results than all of the various US flirtations with voting machines. - Evan
The ICANN Staff has created a new gTLD "Discussion Points" document to provide staff comments to the current set of draft recommendations, with a view toward how each of the recommendations might be implemented. To gain insight into how ICANN intends to address such issues as morality and public order, and how, for example, ICANN intends to evaluate a gTLD applicant's financial capabilities -- perhaps they intend to recruit the staff of theglobe as consultants :) -- please see http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg03599.html --- "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:
Hi Does anyone know WHY he can't come? Dennis, Brett, Danny? Please let me know. Thanks Jacqueline
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OMG! If this is due to the one-person-per-ALS rule, he should still be able to come. IMHO, Brett is coming because he is our interim chair and is there to represent ALL of us. Therefore, there should be a second person allowed from his organization.
Darlene
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-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:20 AM To: 'Nick Ashton-Hart'; 'NA Discuss' Subject: [NA-Discuss] web405 Impacted by ICANN Bureaucracy
Discussion on the web405 mailing list today has revealed that organizational representative Dennis Wilen will not be attending the San Juan session owing to aggravations associated with ICANN bureaucracy.
(Sorry, but as web405 list guidelines preclude public archiving of messages, the exact text of the complaint can't be rendered verbatim).
May I ask that the interim chair of the NARALO and the Chair of the ALAC investigate this situation further.
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Danny, I had already raised this privately with ICANN Staff. Darlene, in response to your message, the reason was not the one-member rule but confusion resulting from the lack of a central source of information about travel arrangements and travel policy. Definitely something we can and should fix going forward. Bret
I received an email from Dennis early this morning, and then one from Bret, and I am waiting until the hour is civilised to ring Dennis. I'll not belabour the point but Dennis was provided the same level of information about travel information that all other travellers on travel support have received. I'll work it out - or not - with him. On 19 Jun 2007, at 16:19, Danny Younger wrote:
Discussion on the web405 mailing list today has revealed that organizational representative Dennis Wilen will not be attending the San Juan session owing to aggravations associated with ICANN bureaucracy.
(Sorry, but as web405 list guidelines preclude public archiving of messages, the exact text of the complaint can't be rendered verbatim).
May I ask that the interim chair of the NARALO and the Chair of the ALAC investigate this situation further.
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