Open Call for Statements of Interest: Chair, Co-Chairs, Secretariat
As discussed on our conference call on Monday, we are now opening a period for submission of statements of interest for a NA-RALO Chair, Co-Chairs, and Secretariat who will be elected in August, 2007 and continue to serve through the close of the ICANN annual meeting in 2008 (November, 2008). The key provisions of our Operating Principles ("OP") relating to these roles are found in Paragraphs 5-8, specifically: (a) "[t]he Chair shall act as moderator and facilitator of the work of the NARALO," (Paragraph 5); and, (b) "[t]he Secretariat will have administrative and informative functions. It will be responsible for maintaining a working communications system and for ensuring the information flux about the issues under discussion between the NARALO participants." (See link to Operating Principles in footer below.) Please note two eligibility issues. First, anyone serving as a Chair, Co-Chair, or on the Secretariat is ineligible to serve on the ALAC or the ICANN Nominating Committee "in any year in which they serve for NARALO." (Paragraph 5). Second, the Secretariat cannot simultaneously serve as a Chair or Co-Chair (Paragraph 8). Statements of Interest should be submitted to this list by Friday, August 3, 2007 at midnight in Hawaii. Statements of Interest should follow the form below, though feel free to add any additional information you think might be relevant. -- Bret Fausett (Interim Chair) -- START -- (a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters) (b) Your e-mail address. (c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID. (d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all. (e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address. (f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held. (g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission. (h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi- policy-04mar99.htm. This document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships. -- END --
Hi all, Further to the thoughts below, I would like to propose that we need to make some changes to our Operating Principals. Things are coming up now that we never envisioned when we agreed to the OP. Firstly, we have Eduardo's real concern that Spanish is not listed in paragraph 4. Next, Paragraph 7 says that "The role of the Secretariat could be exercised by a person or an organization" but does not allow for Co-Secretariats (several people or organizations participating). Paragraph 5 is silent on who or what the Chair can be but gives no provision for Co-Chairs. Since these really aren't political positions but, rather, grunt-work, administrivia positions, I would like to see them being as inclusive as possible. Basically, if 4 people come forward and want to be Chair - let them all have at it as co-Chairs. Same goes for Secretariat. There is a ton of work to be done and "many hands make light work". This is what I would like to suggest, anyways. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bret Fausett Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:18 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Open Call for Statements of Interest: Chair, Co-Chairs,Secretariat As discussed on our conference call on Monday, we are now opening a period for submission of statements of interest for a NA-RALO Chair, Co-Chairs, and Secretariat who will be elected in August, 2007 and continue to serve through the close of the ICANN annual meeting in 2008 (November, 2008). The key provisions of our Operating Principles ("OP") relating to these roles are found in Paragraphs 5-8, specifically: (a) "[t]he Chair shall act as moderator and facilitator of the work of the NARALO," (Paragraph 5); and, (b) "[t]he Secretariat will have administrative and informative functions. It will be responsible for maintaining a working communications system and for ensuring the information flux about the issues under discussion between the NARALO participants." (See link to Operating Principles in footer below.) Please note two eligibility issues. First, anyone serving as a Chair, Co-Chair, or on the Secretariat is ineligible to serve on the ALAC or the ICANN Nominating Committee "in any year in which they serve for NARALO." (Paragraph 5). Second, the Secretariat cannot simultaneously serve as a Chair or Co-Chair (Paragraph 8). Statements of Interest should be submitted to this list by Friday, August 3, 2007 at midnight in Hawaii. Statements of Interest should follow the form below, though feel free to add any additional information you think might be relevant. -- Bret Fausett (Interim Chair) -- START -- (a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters) (b) Your e-mail address. (c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID. (d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all. (e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address. (f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held. (g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission. (h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi- policy-04mar99.htm. This document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships. -- END -- _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
So, Bret how do we go about voting on these changes? -ed -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Darlene Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:24 AM To: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Changes to OP Hi all, Further to the thoughts below, I would like to propose that we need to make some changes to our Operating Principals. Things are coming up now that we never envisioned when we agreed to the OP. Firstly, we have Eduardo's real concern that Spanish is not listed in paragraph 4. Next, Paragraph 7 says that "The role of the Secretariat could be exercised by a person or an organization" but does not allow for Co-Secretariats (several people or organizations participating). Paragraph 5 is silent on who or what the Chair can be but gives no provision for Co-Chairs. Since these really aren't political positions but, rather, grunt-work, administrivia positions, I would like to see them being as inclusive as possible. Basically, if 4 people come forward and want to be Chair - let them all have at it as co-Chairs. Same goes for Secretariat. There is a ton of work to be done and "many hands make light work". This is what I would like to suggest, anyways. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bret Fausett Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:18 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Open Call for Statements of Interest: Chair, Co-Chairs,Secretariat As discussed on our conference call on Monday, we are now opening a period for submission of statements of interest for a NA-RALO Chair, Co-Chairs, and Secretariat who will be elected in August, 2007 and continue to serve through the close of the ICANN annual meeting in 2008 (November, 2008). The key provisions of our Operating Principles ("OP") relating to these roles are found in Paragraphs 5-8, specifically: (a) "[t]he Chair shall act as moderator and facilitator of the work of the NARALO," (Paragraph 5); and, (b) "[t]he Secretariat will have administrative and informative functions. It will be responsible for maintaining a working communications system and for ensuring the information flux about the issues under discussion between the NARALO participants." (See link to Operating Principles in footer below.) Please note two eligibility issues. First, anyone serving as a Chair, Co-Chair, or on the Secretariat is ineligible to serve on the ALAC or the ICANN Nominating Committee "in any year in which they serve for NARALO." (Paragraph 5). Second, the Secretariat cannot simultaneously serve as a Chair or Co-Chair (Paragraph 8). Statements of Interest should be submitted to this list by Friday, August 3, 2007 at midnight in Hawaii. Statements of Interest should follow the form below, though feel free to add any additional information you think might be relevant. -- Bret Fausett (Interim Chair) -- START -- (a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters) (b) Your e-mail address. (c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID. (d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all. (e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address. (f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held. (g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission. (h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi- policy-04mar99.htm. This document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships. -- END -- _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica nn.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
you have my support for this
Hi all,
Further to the thoughts below, I would like to propose that we need to make some changes to our Operating Principals. Things are coming up now that we never envisioned when we agreed to the OP.
Firstly, we have Eduardo's real concern that Spanish is not listed in paragraph 4.
Next, Paragraph 7 says that "The role of the Secretariat could be exercised by a person or an organization" but does not allow for Co-Secretariats (several people or organizations participating).
Paragraph 5 is silent on who or what the Chair can be but gives no provision for Co-Chairs.
Since these really aren't political positions but, rather, grunt-work, administrivia positions, I would like to see them being as inclusive as possible. Basically, if 4 people come forward and want to be Chair - let them all have at it as co-Chairs. Same goes for Secretariat. There is a ton of work to be done and "many hands make light work".
This is what I would like to suggest, anyways.
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bret Fausett Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:18 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Open Call for Statements of Interest: Chair, Co-Chairs,Secretariat
As discussed on our conference call on Monday, we are now opening a period for submission of statements of interest for a NA-RALO Chair, Co-Chairs, and Secretariat who will be elected in August, 2007 and continue to serve through the close of the ICANN annual meeting in 2008 (November, 2008).
The key provisions of our Operating Principles ("OP") relating to these roles are found in Paragraphs 5-8, specifically: (a) "[t]he Chair shall act as moderator and facilitator of the work of the NARALO," (Paragraph 5); and, (b) "[t]he Secretariat will have administrative and informative functions. It will be responsible for maintaining a working communications system and for ensuring the information flux about the issues under discussion between the NARALO participants." (See link to Operating Principles in footer below.)
Please note two eligibility issues. First, anyone serving as a Chair, Co-Chair, or on the Secretariat is ineligible to serve on the ALAC or the ICANN Nominating Committee "in any year in which they serve for NARALO." (Paragraph 5). Second, the Secretariat cannot simultaneously serve as a Chair or Co-Chair (Paragraph 8).
Statements of Interest should be submitted to this list by Friday, August 3, 2007 at midnight in Hawaii. Statements of Interest should follow the form below, though feel free to add any additional information you think might be relevant.
-- Bret Fausett (Interim Chair)
-- START --
(a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters)
(b) Your e-mail address.
(c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID.
(d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all.
(e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address.
(f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held.
(g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission.
(h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi- policy-04mar99.htm. This document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships.
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Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Further to the thoughts below, I would like to propose that we need to make some changes to our Operating Principals. Things are coming up now that we never envisioned when we agreed to the OP. [...] This is what I would like to suggest, anyways.
My personal response to this is an enthusiastic "yes, but...". Every single one of Darlene's points is valid, however... We've barely voted on the original MOU/OP. While it's natural that we will find flaws and accidental omissions, I am scared to death of being locked into forever debating our core documents while our actual reasons for being here (policy, increasing the voice and influence of at-large) threaten to get sidelined (or at least at a lower priority than they should be IMO). Frankly, I was stunned to see that the ALAC -- with a long head start over NARALO -- is still debating things such as "how to pick a chair" or "how to conduct a proper vote for its Board rep". THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE TRIVIA that must not consume the group for it to be effective. To this end, I suggest a semi-annual review of the OP as a standing agenda item. We collect the various issues that come up, and debate them every six months as a single set of amendments. This allows for a (reasonably) timely and regular review of how we work, while giving the review a fixed context that prevents operational details from dominating the day-to-day work. This is just a suggestion, that has worked for me in other groups. In no way am I belittling Darlene's suggestions, but would like to at least have the ink dry on the existing documents before we start changing them. A little forced pause between OP modifications may even help help the debate, by forcing extra thought on changes that may be too hasty or based on short-term problems. If there are issues that MUST be dealt with immediately, let's do it. I'm not convinced that anything on Darlene's list can't wait until a review. (If having Spanish as an official language was time-sensitive, it should have been raised in the original doc.) Let's try to make the existing OP work before demonstrating that it needs fixing. - Evan
Errrr... Evan, I pretty much agree with you except that we have an up-coming vote for Chair and Secretariat that our OP won't allow (co-chairs and co-secretariats). Its really for this time and this time only that I am suggesting these changes. Then I would be 100% agreeable to semi-annual or even annual reviews. You are very right that we cannot allow ourselves to become totally embroiled in administrivia. I also do not think that the changes that I am proposing will cause much "hue and cry" or debate. They seem to be fairly common sense. Having said that, though, if somebody out there can see major holes in what I am proposing and would seriously object to it - I would really like to hear from them. Maybe I'm missing something serious. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:30 AM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Changes to OP Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Further to the thoughts below, I would like to propose that we need to make some changes to our Operating Principals. Things are coming up now that we never envisioned when we agreed to the OP. [...] This is what I would like to suggest, anyways.
My personal response to this is an enthusiastic "yes, but...". Every single one of Darlene's points is valid, however... We've barely voted on the original MOU/OP. While it's natural that we will find flaws and accidental omissions, I am scared to death of being locked into forever debating our core documents while our actual reasons for being here (policy, increasing the voice and influence of at-large) threaten to get sidelined (or at least at a lower priority than they should be IMO). Frankly, I was stunned to see that the ALAC -- with a long head start over NARALO -- is still debating things such as "how to pick a chair" or "how to conduct a proper vote for its Board rep". THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE TRIVIA that must not consume the group for it to be effective. To this end, I suggest a semi-annual review of the OP as a standing agenda item. We collect the various issues that come up, and debate them every six months as a single set of amendments. This allows for a (reasonably) timely and regular review of how we work, while giving the review a fixed context that prevents operational details from dominating the day-to-day work. This is just a suggestion, that has worked for me in other groups. In no way am I belittling Darlene's suggestions, but would like to at least have the ink dry on the existing documents before we start changing them. A little forced pause between OP modifications may even help help the debate, by forcing extra thought on changes that may be too hasty or based on short-term problems. If there are issues that MUST be dealt with immediately, let's do it. I'm not convinced that anything on Darlene's list can't wait until a review. (If having Spanish as an official language was time-sensitive, it should have been raised in the original doc.) Let's try to make the existing OP work before demonstrating that it needs fixing. - Evan
Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Errrr... Evan, I pretty much agree with you except that we have an up-coming vote for Chair and Secretariat that our OP won't allow (co-chairs and co-secretariats).
Its really for this time and this time only that I am suggesting these changes. Then I would be 100% agreeable to semi-annual or even annual reviews. You are very right that we cannot allow ourselves to become totally embroiled in administrivia. I also do not think that the changes that I am proposing will cause much "hue and cry" or debate. They seem to be fairly common sense.
Agreed. Ditto for the recognition of Spanish. Unless I'm missing something, both these issues are non-controversial and can probably be done expediently by consensus. Let's just get on with it. :-) - Evan
I agree with all of you, mostly with Evan, and occasionally with myself. I'm unsure about a change to the OP so soon, regardless of the subject matter. We could set a precedent for constantly bickering over what has been agreed on. And, this is what has always been done in the past. I wouldn't disagree though. So far as translations, It is my opinion that this is why we have ALSs to spread the word to our constituencies. I think we should also point out that we should have every document produced translated into Navajo and Hawaiian. However we have finite resources. I agree we should recognize Spanish. I also agree we should recognize Hawaiian, French, Navajo, English, Inuit, Hoosier, and Texan. Just $0.02 aloha, Randy Glass A@L On 7/12/07, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Errrr... Evan, I pretty much agree with you except that we have an up-coming vote for Chair and Secretariat that our OP won't allow (co-chairs and co-secretariats).
Its really for this time and this time only that I am suggesting these changes. Then I would be 100% agreeable to semi-annual or even annual reviews. You are very right that we cannot allow ourselves to become totally embroiled in administrivia. I also do not think that the changes that I am proposing will cause much "hue and cry" or debate. They seem to be fairly common sense.
Agreed. Ditto for the recognition of Spanish. Unless I'm missing something, both these issues are non-controversial and can probably be done expediently by consensus.
Let's just get on with it. :-)
- Evan
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Evan: I can agree with you to hold-up changes to our core documents for another six month but if there is no opposition (meaning a lot of discussion is generated around this), then we should do it now. Regarding the Spanish language, it was included in the original MOU and ICANN requested to eliminate the specific languages from it and relinquish them to the Ops document. I though the language part was to be included as it was in the original MOU since that was the document that got signed by everybody. Like I said, I did not want to bring this issue during our meeting in San Juan to help focus in getting the MOU finalized. Spanish is the language that I use in Puerto Rico and the one that we use to outreach to other organizations regarding NARALO matters, ICANN, etc. We need other organizations in Puerto Rico to start getting involved with the NARALO. However, not all of them understand English that well. One of the NARALO goals is to increase the membership by 50% in 2008. I am already working on it. -ed -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:30 AM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Changes to OP Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Further to the thoughts below, I would like to propose that we need to make some changes to our Operating Principals. Things are coming up now that we never envisioned when we agreed to the OP. [...] This is what I would like to suggest, anyways.
My personal response to this is an enthusiastic "yes, but...". Every single one of Darlene's points is valid, however... We've barely voted on the original MOU/OP. While it's natural that we will find flaws and accidental omissions, I am scared to death of being locked into forever debating our core documents while our actual reasons for being here (policy, increasing the voice and influence of at-large) threaten to get sidelined (or at least at a lower priority than they should be IMO). Frankly, I was stunned to see that the ALAC -- with a long head start over NARALO -- is still debating things such as "how to pick a chair" or "how to conduct a proper vote for its Board rep". THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE TRIVIA that must not consume the group for it to be effective. To this end, I suggest a semi-annual review of the OP as a standing agenda item. We collect the various issues that come up, and debate them every six months as a single set of amendments. This allows for a (reasonably) timely and regular review of how we work, while giving the review a fixed context that prevents operational details from dominating the day-to-day work. This is just a suggestion, that has worked for me in other groups. In no way am I belittling Darlene's suggestions, but would like to at least have the ink dry on the existing documents before we start changing them. A little forced pause between OP modifications may even help help the debate, by forcing extra thought on changes that may be too hasty or based on short-term problems. If there are issues that MUST be dealt with immediately, let's do it. I'm not convinced that anything on Darlene's list can't wait until a review. (If having Spanish as an official language was time-sensitive, it should have been raised in the original doc.) Let's try to make the existing OP work before demonstrating that it needs fixing. - Evan _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica nn.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
My recollection of events, and forgive me for not going back right now to the archives to confirm this, is that we have had widespread agreement on the inclusion of Spanish as an official language of the NA-RALO since our first discussions. I recall that it was mentioned specifically in one of the earlier drafts. I don't recall when or why it was deleted. Nick, please help me on this, but I seem to recall that you or someone from ICANN said that we were covered for Spanish translations because official ICANN documents would be translated into Spanish as part of ICANN's work with the LAC-RALO. Am I remembering correctly? I'll check in more detail on the history here, but if Spanish was agreed earlier and deleted from the OP in error, I would recommend simply adding it back in as a correction of a "scrivener's error," as we call these things in the law. If it was removed deliberately and/ or never there in the first instance, then let's put it on the agenda for a vote in the next month. This is an important omission and we should correct it as early as feasible. Bret On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
Evan:
I can agree with you to hold-up changes to our core documents for another six month but if there is no opposition (meaning a lot of discussion is generated around this), then we should do it now.
Regarding the Spanish language, it was included in the original MOU and ICANN requested to eliminate the specific languages from it and relinquish them to the Ops document. I though the language part was to be included as it was in the original MOU since that was the document that got signed by everybody.
Like I said, I did not want to bring this issue during our meeting in San Juan to help focus in getting the MOU finalized.
Spanish is the language that I use in Puerto Rico and the one that we use to outreach to other organizations regarding NARALO matters, ICANN, etc. We need other organizations in Puerto Rico to start getting involved with the NARALO. However, not all of them understand English that well.
One of the NARALO goals is to increase the membership by 50% in 2008. I am already working on it.
-ed
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:30 AM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Changes to OP
Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Further to the thoughts below, I would like to propose that we need to make some changes to our Operating Principals. Things are coming up now that we never envisioned when we agreed to the OP. [...] This is what I would like to suggest, anyways.
My personal response to this is an enthusiastic "yes, but...". Every single one of Darlene's points is valid, however...
We've barely voted on the original MOU/OP. While it's natural that we will find flaws and accidental omissions, I am scared to death of being locked into forever debating our core documents while our actual reasons for being here (policy, increasing the voice and influence of at- large) threaten to get sidelined (or at least at a lower priority than they should be IMO).
Frankly, I was stunned to see that the ALAC -- with a long head start over NARALO -- is still debating things such as "how to pick a chair" or "how to conduct a proper vote for its Board rep". THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE TRIVIA that must not consume the group for it to be effective.
To this end, I suggest a semi-annual review of the OP as a standing agenda item. We collect the various issues that come up, and debate them every six months as a single set of amendments. This allows for a (reasonably) timely and regular review of how we work, while giving the review a fixed context that prevents operational details from dominating the day-to-day work.
This is just a suggestion, that has worked for me in other groups. In no way am I belittling Darlene's suggestions, but would like to at least have the ink dry on the existing documents before we start changing them. A little forced pause between OP modifications may even help help the debate, by forcing extra thought on changes that may be too hasty or based on short-term problems.
If there are issues that MUST be dealt with immediately, let's do it. I'm not convinced that anything on Darlene's list can't wait until a review. (If having Spanish as an official language was time-sensitive, it should have been raised in the original doc.) Let's try to make the existing OP work before demonstrating that it needs fixing.
- Evan
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My recollection of events is that we purposely left Spanish off because we decided to stick to "official languages". The thinking being that if we included Spanish, we would have to include Hindi, Cantonese, etc., etc. Of course, we had completely missed the point that Puerto Rico was part of our region and one of its official languages is Spanish. DOH! D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bret Fausett Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:44 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Changes to OP My recollection of events, and forgive me for not going back right now to the archives to confirm this, is that we have had widespread agreement on the inclusion of Spanish as an official language of the NA-RALO since our first discussions. I recall that it was mentioned specifically in one of the earlier drafts. I don't recall when or why it was deleted. Nick, please help me on this, but I seem to recall that you or someone from ICANN said that we were covered for Spanish translations because official ICANN documents would be translated into Spanish as part of ICANN's work with the LAC-RALO. Am I remembering correctly? I'll check in more detail on the history here, but if Spanish was agreed earlier and deleted from the OP in error, I would recommend simply adding it back in as a correction of a "scrivener's error," as we call these things in the law. If it was removed deliberately and/ or never there in the first instance, then let's put it on the agenda for a vote in the next month. This is an important omission and we should correct it as early as feasible. Bret On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
Evan:
I can agree with you to hold-up changes to our core documents for another six month but if there is no opposition (meaning a lot of discussion is generated around this), then we should do it now.
Regarding the Spanish language, it was included in the original MOU and ICANN requested to eliminate the specific languages from it and relinquish them to the Ops document. I though the language part was to be included as it was in the original MOU since that was the document that got signed by everybody.
Like I said, I did not want to bring this issue during our meeting in San Juan to help focus in getting the MOU finalized.
Spanish is the language that I use in Puerto Rico and the one that we use to outreach to other organizations regarding NARALO matters, ICANN, etc. We need other organizations in Puerto Rico to start getting involved with the NARALO. However, not all of them understand English that well.
One of the NARALO goals is to increase the membership by 50% in 2008. I am already working on it.
-ed
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:30 AM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Changes to OP
Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Further to the thoughts below, I would like to propose that we need to make some changes to our Operating Principals. Things are coming up now that we never envisioned when we agreed to the OP. [...] This is what I would like to suggest, anyways.
My personal response to this is an enthusiastic "yes, but...". Every single one of Darlene's points is valid, however...
We've barely voted on the original MOU/OP. While it's natural that we will find flaws and accidental omissions, I am scared to death of being locked into forever debating our core documents while our actual reasons for being here (policy, increasing the voice and influence of at- large) threaten to get sidelined (or at least at a lower priority than they should be IMO).
Frankly, I was stunned to see that the ALAC -- with a long head start over NARALO -- is still debating things such as "how to pick a chair" or "how to conduct a proper vote for its Board rep". THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE TRIVIA that must not consume the group for it to be effective.
To this end, I suggest a semi-annual review of the OP as a standing agenda item. We collect the various issues that come up, and debate them every six months as a single set of amendments. This allows for a (reasonably) timely and regular review of how we work, while giving the review a fixed context that prevents operational details from dominating the day-to-day work.
This is just a suggestion, that has worked for me in other groups. In no way am I belittling Darlene's suggestions, but would like to at least have the ink dry on the existing documents before we start changing them. A little forced pause between OP modifications may even help help the debate, by forcing extra thought on changes that may be too hasty or based on short-term problems.
If there are issues that MUST be dealt with immediately, let's do it. I'm not convinced that anything on Darlene's list can't wait until a review. (If having Spanish as an official language was time-sensitive, it should have been raised in the original doc.) Let's try to make the existing OP work before demonstrating that it needs fixing.
- Evan
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My recollection of events is that we purposely left Spanish off because we decided to stick to "official languages".
That's my recollection, too. Canada has two official languages, the US has none, but fortunately the dominant US language is pretty close to one of the Canadian ones. Regards from Quebec, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://johnlevine.com, Mayor "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly.
Why it was left off is not the main issue at this point. We established consensus in San Juan on the commitment to Spanish as a language for our region, as Puerto Rico is within our region. Since it was decided not to include the language specification in the one document, we didnt achieve the intent of our consensus and our commitment. How do we handle the call for insertion of that component into the appropriate document? We have had a motion called for and seconded. Is there a specific textual insertion that has been shared? On 7/12/07, John L <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
My recollection of events is that we purposely left Spanish off because we decided to stick to "official languages".
That's my recollection, too. Canada has two official languages, the US has none, but fortunately the dominant US language is pretty close to one of the Canadian ones.
Regards from Quebec, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://johnlevine.com, Mayor "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly.
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On Jul 12, 2007, at 6:20 PM, Michael Maranda wrote:
We have had a motion called for and seconded. Is there a specific textual insertion that has been shared?
Michael is correct. We have had a motion and a second. The specific motion is to amend the second sentence of Paragraph 4 of the OP from its current language, "Public documents will be produced in English and French" to the following: "Public documents will be produced in English, French, and Spanish." Since I believe this motion has broad support, I would like to adopt it by acclamation. Unless I hear sufficient objection in the next two weeks to warrant a formal vote (two or more objections made in writing to me), I will deem the motion passed and effective as of Friday, 27 July 2007. -- Bret
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John L -
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Michael Maranda -
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Thompson, Darlene