I'm sure apralo would be pleased with Honolulu. Hawaii's awesome. Sent from my iPhone On 23/07/2009, at 2:09 PM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:

Hmmmmmm...

I would DESPERATELY like to go to Honolulu. I am just wondering if its financially viable. If it isn't, then I would campaign for one of the other destinations and dates.

D

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Hello everyone,

At the last NARALO call there was a brief discussion on where and who might want to bid for a city to host ICANN the next time its meeting schedule passes through North America.

The currently proposed date for the next NA meeting is March 2011. This date IMO eliminates a substantial part of North America from reasonably being able to submit a bid on climate grounds.

During the call the meeting Seth agreed to investigate the suitability of Honolulu for the 2011 meeting, and I can certainly agree that it would be a great global destination in March. However once I received the notice below it seems there may be a window through which we can suggest to make the North American meeting the June one. That would make other centres of interest eligible (Boston, Toronto, Montreal).

What do you think? Should NARALO send a response (and/or ask for ALAC's endorsement) to make the 2011 North American meeting the one in June?

And does staff have any input on this matter?

- Evan

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Yes. At least the cities that you mentioned are transportation hubs. Is Honolulu? I sincerely don't know but I doubt it. Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:38 PM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: NA Discuss; At-Large Staff Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] Public Consultation on Proposed ICANN Meeting Dates 2011 - 2013] Thompson, Darlene wrote:

I would DESPERATELY like to go to Honolulu. I am just wondering if its financially viable. As opposed to Delhi, Sydney, Cairo, Seoul or Nairobi? :-)

- Evan

John R. Levine wrote:

If it were up to me, I'd say have it in Toronto, and if you don't like the weather, use all the nice heated tunnels among all the downtown buildings and you'll never have to go outside. If cold weather is just too scarey, have it in Los Angeles at ICANN HQ and save money, or have it somewhere in Texas which is central and warm. The compromise I've been suggesting is to ask ICANN to have its North American meeting in June so northeast/midwest locations could be suitable. Toronto (or Montreal or Boston or Ottawa) can be quite nice that time of year.

Nobody I know that attended the LA meeting would want to have another one there. I also thought that New Orleans would be a good idea but I don't know of any local partners who could help with logistics/sponsors *and* it's not a hub for any airline. Dallas and Houston could work in February, and they're hubs, but again I don't know of any potential local partners who could help on a bid. Compare that to the greater Toronto area which hosts three ALSs, a high-profile registrar (Tucows), a major development centre for Affilias, numerous ISPs including Canada's two biggest telcos, eight universities, potential sponsors such as IBM and RIM, and plenty of business/IPC interests. AND it has a major airline hub that's served nonstop from Hong Kong, Istanbul, Buenos Aires and LaGuardia(*). (We just started getting A380 service from Dubai this summer, boy those suckers are big.) Also... in the back of my mind ... I also have a concern about the difficulty of international At-Large reps getting US visas. Canada isn't enormously better but it's not quite as bad. - Evan (*) US-bound passengers from cross American customs at the Toronto airport, allowing service to US domestic airports without customs facilities. Toronto is the only international destination available from Laguardia and a number of small airports such as Dayton and Manchester.

Alan Greenberg wrote:

At 27/07/2009 11:13 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:

...

Toronto is the only international destination available from Laguardia and a number of small airports such as Dayton and Manchester.

Montreal all has already hosted an ICANN meeting, and I am certainly not volunteering to do another, but to set the records straight, we do have service from LaGuardia and other non-international US airports.

Sorry, didn't know about Montreal already hosting. And the US pre-clearance is available in a number of Canadian cities. The only equivalent I'd seen elsewhere is French pre-clearance at the Geneva airport and on the British side of the channel train. - Evan

The US also has pre-clearance in a number of islands (Bermuda, Bahamas and perhaps 1 or 2 others) and has immigration pre-clearance (but not customs) in Shannon and Dublin. An agreement has been signed to upgrade the Irish pre-clearance to full Canadian-like pre-clearance in the near future.

Yes, and we frequent travellers are pre-registered so that we just look into the NEXUS machine at any international Canadian airport and whisk through US or Canadian immigration. But that's not the main reason that Toronto would be a good site. It's central, it's well connected, and as Evan noted, the visa situation is less screwed up than the US.

For Geneva, I have never entered France from the airport, but my recollection is that the airport is physically in Switzerland but bordering on France, ...

It has two entrances, one from Geneva, one from Ferney-Voltaire in France. You could go through customs within the airport if you needed to switch sides. Trains to France from the Geneva train stations were also precleared. But now Switzerland has joined Schengen, so there's no border controls at all. ObICANN: Geneva would be a swell place for a meeting. No doubt the ITU and WIPO, who are across the street from each other, would be delighted to lend meeting space. R's, John

John R. Levine wrote:

ObICANN: Geneva would be a swell place for a meeting. No doubt the ITU and WIPO, who are across the street from each other, would be delighted to lend meeting space.

Or they could set up a tent in the area between the two compounds, under the big broken chair. http://www.flickr.com/photos/18228804@N00/2262675877/ - Evan