Hi Evan, it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made. why not send them out on the at-large list? would be great to put that on our website too. running our -independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her? best annette
Back by popular demand.... the ICANN Limerick treasures of Andy & Annie McNonymous: An international dude Was in a rather foul mood He asked for domains You gave him plantains He could only eat multi-byte food There once was a girl from Nantuck, Who wanted to sponsor dot-fuck. “No, No!” said the GAC(k), “You must take a step back. Consensus is not bottom up.” Civil action groups rarely have luck When their causes are dragged through the muck. When the lawyers are done, the result’s not much fun. Makes participants moan, “what the heck?” A registry asked of the Board To correct problems ignored To get a domain Is a source of great pain But ICANN wouldn’t open its hoard. ICANN is a travelling circus It’s staff are happy to jerk us. They talk free expression While full of represssion And no process to create but to work us. .... A girl from the north came to San Juan, with no idea of what went on. She kicked out the bums, after drinking much rum. Now no one can say NARALOs a con. A young ICANN rep for Iraq Was fed up things were getting off-track. “Won’t you please go away,” the Committee would say, “We just hope something’s there when you get back.” I once went to ICANN San Juan. To find out what was going on. I attended a session, and have a confession, ICANN tell dot-pro from dot-con. On Jul 2, 2007, at 9:08 AM, Annette Muehlberg wrote:
Hi Evan,
it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made.
why not send them out on the at-large list?
would be great to put that on our website too. running our - independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her?
best annette
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Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
Hello all, The limericks are now posted on the wall of the ICANN group at Facebook.com, for those of you who have accounts there. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2415878793 I will also see if and where I can put them on icanwikki.org. I have asked permission to post the kayak photos (at http://www.thekayakrental.com/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=43&cati...) on social websites. Since each photo is marked with a copyright message I (being a respecter of intellectual property) I won't post them without permission. - Evan
Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Hello all,
The limericks are now posted on the wall of the ICANN group at Facebook.com, for those of you who have accounts there.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2415878793
I will also see if and where I can put them on icanwikki.org.
I have asked permission to post the kayak photos (at http://www.thekayakrental.com/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=43&cati...) on social websites. Since each photo is marked with a copyright message I (being a respecter of intellectual property) I won't post them without permission.
Here's mine, CC-By licensed on flickr and freely re-usable (no, I wasn't holding the camera, but that's a technicality). <http://www.flickr.com/photos/wseltzer/696706790/> --Wendy
- Evan
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Fellow, Oxford Internet Institute Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
Hi, I'm on the list so I'm following things. It would be interesting to know if the limericks (which I read over at Facebook!) would even be allowed on the official ALAC site. I have to wonder if all the ALS's and the RALOs even know that there is a place for them on icannalac.org. The idea that ALAC originally had was to create a space unfettered by ICANN legal staff that had to vet everything going on the official ALAC site. The independent icannalac site was paid for by At Large. It uses the content management system Mambo and the intent was that ALAC members would take it up where I left off last Dec. When that didn't happen, ALAC submitted a proposal to hire me to do what I had been doing as a member of ALAC, namely, run the ALAC's ALS voting tool and run the independent website. Last I knew, staff had many questions about this and since it's now been over six months, that proposal is probably a dead issue. I have not heard anything since I was copied on the questions. My husband is still under contract to do the Mambo updates and technical aspects of the site, but the site hasn't had any updates since last Dec. Anyone with Mambo skills and interest could take over the editorial side.The idea was that each RALO and each ALS would have author privileges in their own areas of the site. The word is: independent. thanks JP At 3:08 PM +0200 7/2/07, Annette Muehlberg recently said:
Hi Evan,
it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made.
why not send them out on the at-large list?
would be great to put that on our website too. running our -independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her?
best annette
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Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
JP: Have though about upgrading the site to Joomla? Nobody mentioned the existence of this site until now. Eduardo Diaz ISOCPR -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jean Armour Polly Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:48 PM To: Annette Muehlberg Cc: rguerra@privaterra.org; robin@ipjustice.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] limericks Hi, I'm on the list so I'm following things. It would be interesting to know if the limericks (which I read over at Facebook!) would even be allowed on the official ALAC site. I have to wonder if all the ALS's and the RALOs even know that there is a place for them on icannalac.org. The idea that ALAC originally had was to create a space unfettered by ICANN legal staff that had to vet everything going on the official ALAC site. The independent icannalac site was paid for by At Large. It uses the content management system Mambo and the intent was that ALAC members would take it up where I left off last Dec. When that didn't happen, ALAC submitted a proposal to hire me to do what I had been doing as a member of ALAC, namely, run the ALAC's ALS voting tool and run the independent website. Last I knew, staff had many questions about this and since it's now been over six months, that proposal is probably a dead issue. I have not heard anything since I was copied on the questions. My husband is still under contract to do the Mambo updates and technical aspects of the site, but the site hasn't had any updates since last Dec. Anyone with Mambo skills and interest could take over the editorial side.The idea was that each RALO and each ALS would have author privileges in their own areas of the site. The word is: independent. thanks JP At 3:08 PM +0200 7/2/07, Annette Muehlberg recently said:
Hi Evan,
it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made.
why not send them out on the at-large list?
would be great to put that on our website too. running our -independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her?
best annette
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Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
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Could keep on the Mambo fork or switch to Joomla - both are being upgraded/worked on. The problem has been that if ICANN pays for content management, then it won't be independent, and the consultant who is paid (Jean) will need to pass stuff by the lawyers. If ALAC members update it, we don't have to pass through the legal stuff. So as ICANN hasn't paid for content management, it's been languishing - no one on the committee has had time to manage it. As well, the site never got the traction that it needed to be truly valuable. One major question asked was for the plan to get it to the stage where it is well known and used. The forums were empty, even ALAC members weren't active on them. If anyone is interested in volunteering for this task, please let us know. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Eduardo Diaz [mailto:ediaz@prtc.net] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:16 PM To: 'Jean Armour Polly'; 'Annette Muehlberg' Cc: rguerra@privaterra.org; robin@ipjustice.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] limericks JP: Have though about upgrading the site to Joomla? Nobody mentioned the existence of this site until now. Eduardo Diaz ISOCPR -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jean Armour Polly Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:48 PM To: Annette Muehlberg Cc: rguerra@privaterra.org; robin@ipjustice.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] limericks Hi, I'm on the list so I'm following things. It would be interesting to know if the limericks (which I read over at Facebook!) would even be allowed on the official ALAC site. I have to wonder if all the ALS's and the RALOs even know that there is a place for them on icannalac.org. The idea that ALAC originally had was to create a space unfettered by ICANN legal staff that had to vet everything going on the official ALAC site. The independent icannalac site was paid for by At Large. It uses the content management system Mambo and the intent was that ALAC members would take it up where I left off last Dec. When that didn't happen, ALAC submitted a proposal to hire me to do what I had been doing as a member of ALAC, namely, run the ALAC's ALS voting tool and run the independent website. Last I knew, staff had many questions about this and since it's now been over six months, that proposal is probably a dead issue. I have not heard anything since I was copied on the questions. My husband is still under contract to do the Mambo updates and technical aspects of the site, but the site hasn't had any updates since last Dec. Anyone with Mambo skills and interest could take over the editorial side.The idea was that each RALO and each ALS would have author privileges in their own areas of the site. The word is: independent. thanks JP At 3:08 PM +0200 7/2/07, Annette Muehlberg recently said:
Hi Evan,
it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made.
why not send them out on the at-large list?
would be great to put that on our website too. running our -independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her?
best annette
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I can volunteer to manage it. However, about the forums, I visited them and found what it seems to me to be spam. The posts are being used to sell merchandise. Anybody knew about this? Eduardo ISOCPR -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 12:39 PM To: ediaz@prtc.net; 'Jean Armour Polly'; 'Annette Muehlberg' Cc: rguerra@privaterra.org; robin@ipjustice.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] limericks Could keep on the Mambo fork or switch to Joomla - both are being upgraded/worked on. The problem has been that if ICANN pays for content management, then it won't be independent, and the consultant who is paid (Jean) will need to pass stuff by the lawyers. If ALAC members update it, we don't have to pass through the legal stuff. So as ICANN hasn't paid for content management, it's been languishing - no one on the committee has had time to manage it. As well, the site never got the traction that it needed to be truly valuable. One major question asked was for the plan to get it to the stage where it is well known and used. The forums were empty, even ALAC members weren't active on them. If anyone is interested in volunteering for this task, please let us know. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Eduardo Diaz [mailto:ediaz@prtc.net] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:16 PM To: 'Jean Armour Polly'; 'Annette Muehlberg' Cc: rguerra@privaterra.org; robin@ipjustice.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] limericks JP: Have though about upgrading the site to Joomla? Nobody mentioned the existence of this site until now. Eduardo Diaz ISOCPR -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jean Armour Polly Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:48 PM To: Annette Muehlberg Cc: rguerra@privaterra.org; robin@ipjustice.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] limericks Hi, I'm on the list so I'm following things. It would be interesting to know if the limericks (which I read over at Facebook!) would even be allowed on the official ALAC site. I have to wonder if all the ALS's and the RALOs even know that there is a place for them on icannalac.org. The idea that ALAC originally had was to create a space unfettered by ICANN legal staff that had to vet everything going on the official ALAC site. The independent icannalac site was paid for by At Large. It uses the content management system Mambo and the intent was that ALAC members would take it up where I left off last Dec. When that didn't happen, ALAC submitted a proposal to hire me to do what I had been doing as a member of ALAC, namely, run the ALAC's ALS voting tool and run the independent website. Last I knew, staff had many questions about this and since it's now been over six months, that proposal is probably a dead issue. I have not heard anything since I was copied on the questions. My husband is still under contract to do the Mambo updates and technical aspects of the site, but the site hasn't had any updates since last Dec. Anyone with Mambo skills and interest could take over the editorial side.The idea was that each RALO and each ALS would have author privileges in their own areas of the site. The word is: independent. thanks JP At 3:08 PM +0200 7/2/07, Annette Muehlberg recently said:
Hi Evan,
it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made.
why not send them out on the at-large list?
would be great to put that on our website too. running our -independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her?
best annette
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Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
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I can volunteer to manage it. However, about the forums, I visited them and found what it seems to me to be spam. The posts are being used to sell merchandise. Anybody knew about this?
Unfortunately, a large part of the job of managing any participatory web site these days is weeding out the spam. One of the results of nobody managing icannalac is that there's lots of spam. R's, John
I have seen the spam occurring in the forum section only. I used other open source forum tools similar to this one that prevents spamming such as the one that is happening in the alac site. -ed -----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 1:49 PM To: Eduardo Diaz Cc: Jacqueline Morris; 'Jean Armour Polly'; 'Annette Muehlberg'; Robert Guerra; robin@ipjustice.org; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] limericks
I can volunteer to manage it. However, about the forums, I visited them and found what it seems to me to be spam. The posts are being used to sell merchandise. Anybody knew about this?
Unfortunately, a large part of the job of managing any participatory web site these days is weeding out the spam. One of the results of nobody managing icannalac is that there's lots of spam. R's, John
I have seen the spam occurring in the forum section only. I used other open source forum tools similar to this one that prevents spamming such as the one that is happening in the alac site.
Well, as we've been saying, if someone were managing the site, he or she or they would be dealing with the spam, mechanically or manually. Having run a fair number of such sites, I can report that mechanical means help but are not perfect. R's, John
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 1:49 PM To: Eduardo Diaz Cc: Jacqueline Morris; 'Jean Armour Polly'; 'Annette Muehlberg'; Robert Guerra; robin@ipjustice.org; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] limericks
I can volunteer to manage it. However, about the forums, I visited them and found what it seems to me to be spam. The posts are being used to sell merchandise. Anybody knew about this?
Unfortunately, a large part of the job of managing any participatory web site these days is weeding out the spam. One of the results of nobody managing icannalac is that there's lots of spam.
R's, John
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
JP:
Have though about upgrading the site to Joomla? Nobody mentioned the existence of this site until now.
Eduardo Diaz ISOCPR
Yes and it still could be done. I currently run a fairly large Joomla site at my full-time job. At the time the icannalac site was being developed, Mambo was the only one with good translation tools, which were very important to the committee. The site launched in spring of 2006. By Dec 2006 my term was over. I wrote a fair amount of documentation on how to do everything I had been doing, but no one had time to take over. The forum section of the site is actually another tool called VBulletin. It uses a capcha system so that bots can't apply for accounts. When any posts are made to the fora, several ALAC committee members get email notification. These emails contain the post, so you can see that it's spam and know that you should be doing something about it. It only takes a couple minutes. It's unfortunate that ALS's and RALOs are just now hearing about icannalac. Maybe if more people knew about it, they would step forward to help manage it. I didn't mind doing the work for the site, deleting spam, keeping up the calendar, and posting stories, and didn't mind setting up the vote-now.com voting tool although each vote took roughly an hour to set up depending on how many ALS's were being voted on. When I left ALAC, Izumi was nominating me for the ALAC Hall of Fame, but really I considered it fair trade for the wonderful trips ICANN took me on over my 2 year stint. It's just too much for me to spend so much time on it as a volunteer, without being a member of ALAC. It would be wonderful to see the site taken over by several committed individuals. My husband is still under contract to do the technical side, build in new functionality, etc. But even that could change. Having an independent voice is very important. JP
All, Before we (the ALAC) handed in the proposal to hire Jean for running the webtool and feeding in texts from ALAC members on our website - we were told, that if she would not do any work on content but just facilitating ALAC/RALO members, there would be no problem in principle to hire someone. After we handed in our proposal, we were told that as soon as someone working on our website is paid by ICANN (even if the work is not on content) any text this person is feeding in - even if it is written by ALAC/RALO members - this text would have to go through a process of control by ICANN lawyers. This was the last of the two contradicting informations we received. I expected to discuss the issue of running our independent website in San Juan at some point but it did not work out, so we have to do that online. best annette Jean Armour Polly schrieb:
Hi, I'm on the list so I'm following things. It would be interesting to know if the limericks (which I read over at Facebook!) would even be allowed on the official ALAC site. I have to wonder if all the ALS's and the RALOs even know that there is a place for them on icannalac.org. The idea that ALAC originally had was to create a space unfettered by ICANN legal staff that had to vet everything going on the official ALAC site. The independent icannalac site was paid for by At Large. It uses the content management system Mambo and the intent was that ALAC members would take it up where I left off last Dec. When that didn't happen, ALAC submitted a proposal to hire me to do what I had been doing as a member of ALAC, namely, run the ALAC's ALS voting tool and run the independent website. Last I knew, staff had many questions about this and since it's now been over six months, that proposal is probably a dead issue. I have not heard anything since I was copied on the questions. My husband is still under contract to do the Mambo updates and technical aspects of the site, but the site hasn't had any updates since last Dec. Anyone with Mambo skills and interest could take over the editorial side.The idea was that each RALO and each ALS would have author privileges in their own areas of the site. The word is: independent. thanks JP
At 3:08 PM +0200 7/2/07, Annette Muehlberg recently said:
Hi Evan,
it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made.
why not send them out on the at-large list?
would be great to put that on our website too. running our -independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her?
best annette
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Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
All, Before we (the ALAC) handed in the proposal to hire Jean for running the webtool and feeding in texts from ALAC members on our website - we were told, that if she would not do any work on content but just facilitating ALAC/RALO members, there would be no problem in principle to hire someone. After we handed in our proposal, we were told that as soon as someone working on our website is paid by ICANN (even if the work is not on content) any text this person is feeding in - even if it is written by ALAC/RALO members - this text would have to go through a process of control by ICANN lawyers. This was the last of the two contradicting informations we received. I expected to discuss the issue of running our independent website in San Juan at some point but it did not work out, so we have to do that online. best annette Jean Armour Polly schrieb:
Hi, I'm on the list so I'm following things. It would be interesting to know if the limericks (which I read over at Facebook!) would even be allowed on the official ALAC site. I have to wonder if all the ALS's and the RALOs even know that there is a place for them on icannalac.org. The idea that ALAC originally had was to create a space unfettered by ICANN legal staff that had to vet everything going on the official ALAC site. The independent icannalac site was paid for by At Large. It uses the content management system Mambo and the intent was that ALAC members would take it up where I left off last Dec. When that didn't happen, ALAC submitted a proposal to hire me to do what I had been doing as a member of ALAC, namely, run the ALAC's ALS voting tool and run the independent website. Last I knew, staff had many questions about this and since it's now been over six months, that proposal is probably a dead issue. I have not heard anything since I was copied on the questions. My husband is still under contract to do the Mambo updates and technical aspects of the site, but the site hasn't had any updates since last Dec. Anyone with Mambo skills and interest could take over the editorial side.The idea was that each RALO and each ALS would have author privileges in their own areas of the site. The word is: independent. thanks JP
At 3:08 PM +0200 7/2/07, Annette Muehlberg recently said:
Hi Evan,
it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made.
why not send them out on the at-large list?
would be great to put that on our website too. running our -independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her?
best annette
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Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
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Is the constraint a matter of whether ICANN is paying for it? On 7/3/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg@web.de> wrote:
All,
Before we (the ALAC) handed in the proposal to hire Jean for running the webtool and feeding in texts from ALAC members on our website - we were told, that if she would not do any work on content but just facilitating ALAC/RALO members, there would be no problem in principle to hire someone. After we handed in our proposal, we were told that as soon as someone working on our website is paid by ICANN (even if the work is not on content) any text this person is feeding in - even if it is written by ALAC/RALO members - this text would have to go through a process of control by ICANN lawyers.
This was the last of the two contradicting informations we received.
I expected to discuss the issue of running our independent website in San Juan at some point but it did not work out, so we have to do that online.
best annette
Jean Armour Polly schrieb:
Hi, I'm on the list so I'm following things. It would be interesting to know if the limericks (which I read over at Facebook!) would even be allowed on the official ALAC site. I have to wonder if all the ALS's and the RALOs even know that there is a place for them on icannalac.org. The idea that ALAC originally had was to create a space unfettered by ICANN legal staff that had to vet everything going on the official ALAC site. The independent icannalac site was paid for by At Large. It uses the content management system Mambo and the intent was that ALAC members would take it up where I left off last Dec. When that didn't happen, ALAC submitted a proposal to hire me to do what I had been doing as a member of ALAC, namely, run the ALAC's ALS voting tool and run the independent website. Last I knew, staff had many questions about this and since it's now been over six months, that proposal is probably a dead issue. I have not heard anything since I was copied on the questions. My husband is still under contract to do the Mambo updates and technical aspects of the site, but the site hasn't had any updates since last Dec. Anyone with Mambo skills and interest could take over the editorial side.The idea was that each RALO and each ALS would have author privileges in their own areas of the site. The word is: independent. thanks JP
At 3:08 PM +0200 7/2/07, Annette Muehlberg recently said:
Hi Evan,
it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made.
why not send them out on the at-large list?
would be great to put that on our website too. running our -independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her?
best annette
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As the Committee has been repeatedly informed, the situation is that anyone being paid by ICANN must have anything they post publicly approved via the GCs office. It is also worth noting that the members of the committee have, and always have had, the ability to post themselves directly to icannalac.org. It was setup specifically so that all the committee members could maintain the content. On 3 Jul 2007, at 17:17, Michael Maranda wrote:
Is the constraint a matter of whether ICANN is paying for it?
On 7/3/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg@web.de > wrote: All,
Before we (the ALAC) handed in the proposal to hire Jean for running the webtool and feeding in texts from ALAC members on our website - we were told, that if she would not do any work on content but just facilitating ALAC/RALO members, there would be no problem in principle to hire someone. After we handed in our proposal, we were told that as soon as someone working on our website is paid by ICANN (even if the work is not on content) any text this person is feeding in - even if it is written by ALAC/RALO members - this text would have to go through a process of control by ICANN lawyers.
This was the last of the two contradicting informations we received.
I expected to discuss the issue of running our independent website in San Juan at some point but it did not work out, so we have to do that online.
best annette
Jean Armour Polly schrieb:
Hi, I'm on the list so I'm following things. It would be interesting to know if the limericks (which I read over at Facebook!) would even be allowed on the official ALAC site. I have to wonder if all the ALS's and the RALOs even know that there is a place for them on icannalac.org . The idea that ALAC originally had was to create a space unfettered by ICANN legal staff that had to vet everything going on the official ALAC site. The independent icannalac site was paid for by At Large. It uses the content management system Mambo and the intent was that ALAC members would take it up where I left off last Dec. When that didn't happen, ALAC submitted a proposal to hire me to do what I had been doing as a member of ALAC, namely, run the ALAC's ALS voting tool and run the independent website. Last I knew, staff had many questions about this and since it's now been over six months, that proposal is probably a dead issue. I have not heard anything since I was copied on the questions. My husband is still under contract to do the Mambo updates and technical aspects of the site, but the site hasn't had any updates since last Dec. Anyone with Mambo skills and interest could take over the editorial side.The idea was that each RALO and each ALS would have author privileges in their own areas of the site. The word is: independent. thanks JP
At 3:08 PM +0200 7/2/07, Annette Muehlberg recently said:
Hi Evan,
it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made.
why not send them out on the at-large list?
would be great to put that on our website too. running our - independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her?
best annette
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At 8:37 AM +0100 7/4/07, Nick Ashton-Hart recently said:
As the Committee has been repeatedly informed, the situation is that anyone being paid by ICANN must have anything they post publicly approved via the GCs office.
What if the webmaster just posted things FROM the committee, from volunteers, would that be OK? In addition, I used to make pointers to news stories around ICANN.org itself, to make documents easier for ALAC members to find. And occasionally I pointed to other posts about other things, like conferences in the Caribbean, ISP providers in Africa, etc. There is a difference in these sorts of tasks, as opposed to acting as a "speaker" for ICANN.
It is also worth noting that the members of the committee have, and always have had, the ability to post themselves directly to icannalac.org. It was setup specifically so that all the committee members could maintain the content.
Are all incoming committee members (as mentioned, so many are new) made aware of the icannalac independent site? I don't believe Larry has been asked to upgrade any users to "Author" status in months. New ALS's? RALOs? Maybe they just don't know this facility exists? The other possibility is that their needs are met by other means, such as SocialText or wikis? Anyone ALAC chooses can be the icannalac webmaster, it doesn't have to be me-- I'd just hate to see the independent site die, since at one time ALAC pushed so hard to have it created because they felt they couldn't say what needed to be said on an ALAC site controlled by the ICANN General Counsel. thanks JP
On 3 Jul 2007, at 17:17, Michael Maranda wrote:
Is the constraint a matter of whether ICANN is paying for it?
On 7/3/07, Annette Muehlberg <<mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de>annette.muehlberg@web.de > wrote:
All,
Before we (the ALAC) handed in the proposal to hire Jean for running the webtool and feeding in texts from ALAC members on our website - we were told, that if she would not do any work on content but just facilitating ALAC/RALO members, there would be no problem in principle to hire someone. After we handed in our proposal, we were told that as soon as someone working on our website is paid by ICANN (even if the work is not on content) any text this person is feeding in - even if it is written by ALAC/RALO members - this text would have to go through a process of control by ICANN lawyers.
This was the last of the two contradicting informations we received.
I expected to discuss the issue of running our independent website in San Juan at some point but it did not work out, so we have to do that online.
best annette
Jean Armour Polly schrieb:
Hi, I'm on the list so I'm following things. It would be interesting to know if the limericks (which I read over at Facebook!) would even be allowed on the official ALAC site. I have to wonder if all the ALS's and the RALOs even know that there is a place for them on <http://icannalac.org>icannalac.org . The idea that ALAC originally had was to create a space unfettered by ICANN legal staff that had to vet everything going on the official ALAC site. The independent icannalac site was paid for by At Large. It uses the content management system Mambo and the intent was that ALAC members would take it up where I left off last Dec. When that didn't happen, ALAC submitted a proposal to hire me to do what I had been doing as a member of ALAC, namely, run the ALAC's ALS voting tool and run the independent website. Last I knew, staff had many questions about this and since it's now been over six months, that proposal is probably a dead issue. I have not heard anything since I was copied on the questions. My husband is still under contract to do the Mambo updates and technical aspects of the site, but the site hasn't had any updates since last Dec. Anyone with Mambo skills and interest could take over the editorial side.The idea was that each RALO and each ALS would have author privileges in their own areas of the site. The word is: independent. thanks JP
At 3:08 PM +0200 7/2/07, Annette Muehlberg recently said:
Hi Evan,
it was great getting to know you in San Juan. Robin Gross asked about the limericks you guys made.
why not send them out on the at-large list?
would be great to put that on our website too. running our -independent- ALAC website is a real issue - which we did not solve after Jean had to leave (and there are some stories to tell why that is the case...). are you in touch with her?
best annette
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On 4 Jul 2007, at 18:05, Jean Armour Polly wrote:
At 8:37 AM +0100 7/4/07, Nick Ashton-Hart recently said:
As the Committee has been repeatedly informed, the situation is that anyone being paid by ICANN must have anything they post publicly approved via the GCs office.
What if the webmaster just posted things FROM the committee, from volunteers, would that be OK? In addition, I used to make pointers to news stories around ICANN.org itself, to make documents easier for ALAC members to find. And occasionally I pointed to other posts about other things, like conferences in the Caribbean, ISP providers in Africa, etc. There is a difference in these sorts of tasks, as opposed to acting as a "speaker" for ICANN.
No - it would still need to be cleared through legal if the poster was paid by ICANN.
Could we have a Working Group for Internet resources?? Nick did a great job in setting all this up. Some of us probably remember the annual 'quarterly newsletter' and what we have now is so much better. However I think it's too confusing to keep up with which sites we use for what. Just keeping up with the email list is a chore. I think it should be streamlined in some manner. Randy Glass A@L On 7/5/07, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2007, at 18:05, Jean Armour Polly wrote:
At 8:37 AM +0100 7/4/07, Nick Ashton-Hart recently said:
As the Committee has been repeatedly informed, the situation is that anyone being paid by ICANN must have anything they post publicly approved via the GCs office.
What if the webmaster just posted things FROM the committee, from volunteers, would that be OK? In addition, I used to make pointers to news stories around ICANN.org itself, to make documents easier for ALAC members to find. And occasionally I pointed to other posts about other things, like conferences in the Caribbean, ISP providers in Africa, etc. There is a difference in these sorts of tasks, as opposed to acting as a "speaker" for ICANN.
No - it would still need to be cleared through legal if the poster was paid by ICANN.
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