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Action Required: please review and provide comments - Principles and Scope
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis April 27, 2018

April 27, 2018

Dear SG, I kindly request your time to review and comment on the draft Principles and Scope document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… Please note this document is a work-in-progress and is meant to spark conversation among us until we are comfortable with a solid set of principles and a defined scope. However, we cannot spend too much time on this, so time is of the essence. Our next meeting is going to be on May 14, when I hope we can finalize this. Any contribution, small or big, is welcome. All the best, Dennis PS. Sarmad, please cancel the meeting invites for April 30 and May 7. Thank you.

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Some scope issues for deliberation
by Dr Ajay Data April 23, 2018

April 23, 2018

Tentative Scope of Work The study group will address the following topics focused on applying the RZ-LGR for existing and future IDN TLDs from a technical perspective. As appropriate, the study group may add more relevant topics . Validation of future TLDs using RZ-LGR Definition of variant TLDs and their disposition based on RZ-LGR and whether policy could further reduce allocatable variant TLDs Application of RZ-LGR on reserved IDN TLD labels Harmonized application of RZ-LGR across IDN TLDs, including IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs Remaining requirements of security and stability evaluation of future IDN TLDs by the DNS Stability Panel after applying RZ-LGR *This study is not intended to review the RZ-LGR Procedure developed by the community and endorsed by the ICANN Board . more details at: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-02-08-enWe are free to add more relevant topic, we can discuss this in details. Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder &amp CEO Get email id like अजय(a)xn--c2bd1gb.xn--h2brj9c in your own language,visit www.xgenplus.com From: Dessalegn Yehuala MailId : [80841574]To: Dr Ajay Data ,rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.orgSubject: Re: Re : [RZ-LGR-SG] Some scope issues for deliberationDate: 23 Apr 2018 07:56:04 PM Wouldn`t it be good to think policy driven application -the application of LGRs within the limits of existing and future policies/ constraints at the start? Kind regards, Dessalegn On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Dr Ajay Data ajay(a)data.in> wrote: I think, our scope is limited to whatever work has happened in LGR`s , we are looking for there "application" . Also there is no "character count" in labels is under discussion as of now for IDN TLD`s.thanks. Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder &amp CEO Get email id like अजय(a)xn--c2bd1gb.xn--h2brj9c in your own language,visit www.xgenplus.com From: Dessalegn Yehuala mequanint.yehuala(a)gmail.com> MailId : [80839687]To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org>Subject: [RZ-LGR-SG] Some scope issues for deliberationDate: 23 Apr 2018 05:52:48 PM Dear All, I was not able to attend the previous call due to the meeting tool limitation. I would like to bring to the SG`s attention a few scope related issues- as it stands two letters alphabet-based ASCII labels are reserved for ccTLD, will this also be remain the case in IDN? Is the study group also scoped to address issues related to the use of geo or territory names for U-Label-based TLDs? Kind regards, Dessalegn _______________________________________________RZ-LGR-SG mailing listRZ-LGR-SG@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rz-lgr-sgDo not Remove:[HID]20180423175248376[-HID]

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Some scope issues for deliberation
by Dessalegn Yehuala April 23, 2018

April 23, 2018

Dear All, I was not able to attend the previous call due to the meeting tool limitation. I would like to bring to the SG's attention a few scope related issues- as it stands two letters alphabet-based ASCII labels are reserved for ccTLD, will this also be remain the case in IDN? Is the study group also scoped to address issues related to the use of geo or territory names for U-Label-based TLDs? Kind regards, Dessalegn

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Some scope issues for deliberation
by Dessalegn Yehuala April 23, 2018

April 23, 2018

Wouldn't it be good to think policy driven application -the application of LGRs within the limits of existing and future policies/ constraints at the start? Kind regards, Dessalegn On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Dr Ajay Data <ajay(a)data.in> wrote: > I think, our scope is limited to whatever work has happened in LGR`s , we > are looking for there "application" . Also there is no "character count" in > labels is under discussion as of now for IDN TLD`s. > > thanks. > > *Dr. Ajay DATA* * | Founder & CEO * > Get email id like *अजय(a)xn--c2bd1gb.xn--*-ovd0am3e in your own language, > visit www.xgenplus.com > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dessalegn Yehuala <mequanint.yehuala(a)gmail.com> MailId : > [80839687] > *To:* "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org> > *Subject: *[RZ-LGR-SG] Some scope issues for deliberation > *Date:* 23 Apr 2018 05:52:48 PM > > Dear All, > I was not able to attend the previous call due to the meeting tool > limitation. I would like to bring to the SG`s attention a few scope related > issues- as it stands two letters alphabet-based ASCII labels are > reserved for ccTLD, will this also be remain the case in IDN? > > Is the study group also scoped to address issues related to the use of geo > or territory names for U-Label-based TLDs? > > Kind regards, > Dessalegn > _______________________________________________ > RZ-LGR-SG mailing list > RZ-LGR-SG(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rz-lgr-sg > > Do not Remove: > [HID]20180423175248376[-HID] >

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Some scope issues for deliberation
by Dr Ajay Data April 23, 2018

April 23, 2018

I think, our scope is limited to whatever work has happened in LGR`s , we are looking for there "application" . Also there is no "character count" in labels is under discussion as of now for IDN TLD`s.thanks. Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder &amp CEO Get email id like अजय(a)xn--c2bd1gb.xn--h2brj9c in your own language,visit www.xgenplus.com From: Dessalegn Yehuala MailId : [80839687]To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" Subject: [RZ-LGR-SG] Some scope issues for deliberationDate: 23 Apr 2018 05:52:48 PM Dear All, I was not able to attend the previous call due to the meeting tool limitation. I would like to bring to the SG`s attention a few scope related issues- as it stands two letters alphabet-based ASCII labels are reserved for ccTLD, will this also be remain the case in IDN? Is the study group also scoped to address issues related to the use of geo or territory names for U-Label-based TLDs? Kind regards, Dessalegn _______________________________________________RZ-LGR-SG mailing listRZ-LGR-SG@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rz-lgr-sgDo not Remove:[HID]20180423175248376[-HID]

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Meeting notes from 20180416
by Sarmad Hussain April 22, 2018

April 22, 2018

Dear All, Please find attached the meeting notes from 16 April 2016. Please let me know if you have any feedback. Action Items S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Add a requirement on whether RZ-LGR needs to be consulted in the objection and dispute processes for TLD applications DT and SH 2 Expand the scope of WG to more granular points for more clarity DT and SH 3 Add additional item on determining any technical challenges on activating/delegating an additional allocatable variant label withheld initially, after the primary label and some of its allocatable variant labels are already delegated DT and SH These meeting notes and the recording of the session have been posted at the wiki page of the study group at: https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Study+Group+on+Tech…. Regards, Sarmad

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New member subscribed to RZ-LGR-SG
by Sarmad Hussain April 22, 2018

April 22, 2018

Dear All, I am pleased to announce that Ajay Data has joined the RZ-LGR Study Group. Welcome Dr. Data. The email list has been updated to include you. The wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Application+of+RZ-L… has also been updated. Kindly review your information and let us know if you would like to update any details. We look forward to your contribution. Regards, Sarmad

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wiki page
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis April 16, 2018

April 16, 2018

https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Application+of+RZ-L…

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Updates on membership to this group
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis April 12, 2018

April 12, 2018

Thank you, Sarmad. From: RZ-LGR-SG <rz-lgr-sg-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 8:50 AM To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [RZ-LGR-SG] Updates on membership to this group Dear All, We have received the following new nominations for RZ-LGR study group. We will be contacting these community members and adding the to the RZ-LGR-SG and its mailing list. 1. Ajay Data – GNSO 2. Alireza Saleh – IAB Please let us know if you have any questions. Regards, Sarmad

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Updates on membership to this group
by Sarmad Hussain April 12, 2018

April 12, 2018

Dear All, We have received the following new nominations for RZ-LGR study group. We will be contacting these community members and adding the to the RZ-LGR-SG and its mailing list. 1. Ajay Data - GNSO 2. Alireza Saleh - IAB Please let us know if you have any questions. Regards, Sarmad

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Reference materials for the Root Zone LGR
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis April 10, 2018

April 10, 2018

Further to the below material, I encourage all of you to review SSAC 060 at https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-060-en.pdf . It is an easy read and you will gain more context. -Dennis From: RZ-LGR-SG <rz-lgr-sg-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Date: Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 3:56 AM To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [RZ-LGR-SG] Reference materials for the Root Zone LGR Dear All, During our first online call, there was a request to share reference materials for the Root Zone LGR. Kindly note that you can start from www.icann.org/idn and navigate to the relevant documents through the links provided. Specifically, here are some links to note: 1. Root Zone LGR webpage: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/root-zone-lgr-2015-06-21-en. From this page you can also find all related links: a. Proposals for Root Zone LGR<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/lgr-proposals-2015-12-01-en> b. Status of Generation Panels<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/generation-panel-2015-06-21-en> c. Maximal Starting Repertoire<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/msr-2015-06-21-en> 2. All the reference materials for RZ-LGR are posted at: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/root-zone-lgr-documentation-2017-12-1…. Please let us know if you have any queries or need specific links to certain materials. Regards, Sarmad

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] [Ext] Re: Potential candidates for the SG
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis April 10, 2018

April 10, 2018

Dear Sarmad, Thank you for confirming. @All , I believe we can benefit from their insights, so I recommend we include them as full members. Mirjana, Edmon and Gaurav have expressed support for their full membership as well. Also, I’m informed Dr. Ajay Data has gained GNSO credential, so this decision comes down to the application of Mr.Dessalegn Mequanint Yehuala Unless there is an objection by tomorrow, we will proceed to accept Mr. Dessalegn Mequanint Yehuala as full member of this study group. @Sarmad Hussain<mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org> Please continue with the doodle poll as stated below. We will decide full membership by tomorrow end of day. Best, Dennis From: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 2:11 AM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com>, "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Potential candidates for the SG Dear All, >> does this wg have the flexibility to accept/reject volunteers at its discretion? Yes, the WG has the flexibility to accept/reject such requests. Kindly confirm if you would like to add them as observers or members? I will invite them to the Doodle Poll as observers, but add them to the email list after the discussion on their status finalized. Regards, Sarmad From: Tan Tanaka, Dennis [mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:10 AM To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org>; rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org Subject: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Potential candidates for the SG Sarmad, Thank you. I have read the information about the two potential volunteers and they seem to understand the subject matter. I believe our group could gain from their insights. That said, I don’t want to take the decision of making them observers or full members lightly. Are there any implications of them not being part of any SOs but allowed to contribute to the final work? in other words, does this wg have the flexibility to accept/reject volunteers at its discretion? Thanks, Dennis From: RZ-LGR-SG <rz-lgr-sg-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org<mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org>> Date: Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 1:30 PM To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org>" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [RZ-LGR-SG] Potential candidates for the SG Dear All, Based on our discussion today, please find below the candidates who have requested to join the RZ-LGR-SG. Kindly advise if you are Ok for them to join and, in that case, whether they be invited as observers or members. 1. Ajay Data; He has not shared details, however, these can be found at https://icannwiki.org/Ajay_Data. He is co-chairing the Neo-Brahmi Generation Panel, which is developing the Root Zone LGR proposal for nine scripts from South Asia. 2. Dessalegn Mequanint Yehuala; SOI attached. Dessalegn chaired the Ethiopic Generation Panel, which has finalized its work. Please let me know if you need any additional information to help you make the decision. I will circulate a doodle poll for scheduling the meeting next week as soon as you decide on how to proceed with these candidates. Regards, Sarmad From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:21 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [RZ-LGR-SG] FW: Action Requested: Doodle for RZ-LGR-SG Weekly Meetings Dear All, We are finalizing UTC 1400 on Thursdays as the meeting time. We will have our first meeting on April 2018. I will share the meeting invitation and information on how to connect shortly. We are also anticipating getting possible nominations from IAB for this study group later this week. We are not sure if the new nominees will be able to join this week. Here are possible topics we would like the Study Group to consider in their initial meeting: 1. How to organize the study group (chair? Co-chair?) 2. Consider additional community members interested but not nominated by SOs/ACs? If yes, as observers or members? 3. Have an initial discussion on the scope and plan of work? 4. AOB We look forward to talking to you soon. Regards, Sarmad From: RZ-LGR-SG [mailto:rz-lgr-sg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sarmad Hussain Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:58 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> Subject: [RZ-LGR-SG] FW: Action Requested: Doodle for RZ-LGR-SG Weekly Meetings Dear All, We are ready to convene the Expert Group to Study the Application of Root Zone Label Generation Rules (RZ-LGR-SG). I have put up a Doodle poll at https://doodle.com/poll/eahtrtntznqw3sn3[doodle.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__doodle.com_poll_eahtrt…> to set up a time for our meetings. As suggested in the call for this study group, we will be meeting weekly, as we have an aggressive timeline to finalize the recommendations by ICANN 63, to submit to the ICANN Board. We have set up a wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Application+of+RZ-L…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…>, which lists all the members and an initial set of items to address. Please respond to the doodle poll this week. Please try to fill in as many options as are feasible for you – so that we can find at least one time slot which is ok for everybody on this list. Once we have the time and day set up, we will email further details on how to join the call online. We look forward to assisting you through the process. Please let us know if you have any queries or feedback. Regards, Sarmad

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Potential candidates for the SG
by Sarmad Hussain April 10, 2018

April 10, 2018

Dear All, Based on our discussion today, please find below the candidates who have requested to join the RZ-LGR-SG. Kindly advise if you are Ok for them to join and, in that case, whether they be invited as observers or members. 1. Ajay Data; He has not shared details, however, these can be found at https://icannwiki.org/Ajay_Data. He is co-chairing the Neo-Brahmi Generation Panel, which is developing the Root Zone LGR proposal for nine scripts from South Asia. 2. Dessalegn Mequanint Yehuala; SOI attached. Dessalegn chaired the Ethiopic Generation Panel, which has finalized its work. Please let me know if you need any additional information to help you make the decision. I will circulate a doodle poll for scheduling the meeting next week as soon as you decide on how to proceed with these candidates. Regards, Sarmad From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:21 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [RZ-LGR-SG] FW: Action Requested: Doodle for RZ-LGR-SG Weekly Meetings Dear All, We are finalizing UTC 1400 on Thursdays as the meeting time. We will have our first meeting on April 2018. I will share the meeting invitation and information on how to connect shortly. We are also anticipating getting possible nominations from IAB for this study group later this week. We are not sure if the new nominees will be able to join this week. Here are possible topics we would like the Study Group to consider in their initial meeting: 1. How to organize the study group (chair? Co-chair?) 2. Consider additional community members interested but not nominated by SOs/ACs? If yes, as observers or members? 3. Have an initial discussion on the scope and plan of work? 4. AOB We look forward to talking to you soon. Regards, Sarmad From: RZ-LGR-SG [mailto:rz-lgr-sg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sarmad Hussain Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:58 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> Subject: [RZ-LGR-SG] FW: Action Requested: Doodle for RZ-LGR-SG Weekly Meetings Dear All, We are ready to convene the Expert Group to Study the Application of Root Zone Label Generation Rules (RZ-LGR-SG). I have put up a Doodle poll at https://doodle.com/poll/eahtrtntznqw3sn3[doodle.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__doodle.com_poll_eahtrt…> to set up a time for our meetings. As suggested in the call for this study group, we will be meeting weekly, as we have an aggressive timeline to finalize the recommendations by ICANN 63, to submit to the ICANN Board. We have set up a wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Application+of+RZ-L…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…>, which lists all the members and an initial set of items to address. Please respond to the doodle poll this week. Please try to fill in as many options as are feasible for you – so that we can find at least one time slot which is ok for everybody on this list. Once we have the time and day set up, we will email further details on how to join the call online. We look forward to assisting you through the process. Please let us know if you have any queries or feedback. Regards, Sarmad

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Meeting notes from 20180405
by Sarmad Hussain April 9, 2018

April 9, 2018

Dear RZ-LGR Study Group members, Please find attached the notes of the meeting on 5 April 2018. Please let us know if you have any feedback. Action Items S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Share materials related to RZ-LGR SH 2 Share details of comments of the Integration Panel regarding over-production of allocatable variants for some TLD labels using the RZ-LGR SH 3 Share details of additional community members who would like to join the study group SH 4 Conduct a doodle poll to set another time for the online weekly meeting of the study group SH The notes are also posted at the wiki page of the study group: https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Application+of+RZ-L…. Regards, Sarmad

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Notes on Number of Allocated Variant Labels: SSAC and Integration Panel Recommendations
by Sarmad Hussain April 8, 2018

April 8, 2018

Dear All, We had a short discussion on the number of allocatable variants and whether these could be reduced - as an item to discuss by this study group. During the discussion, the SSAC recommendation was referred, and it was suggested to have IP input in the process. These are shared below for your reference. Regards, Sarmad SSAC ==== Security and Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC) in Recommendation 14 of [SAC060<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-060-en.pdf>], states: Variants introduce a permutation issue both at the top level as well as with combinations of top level and second level: * At the TLD level, assume a TLD string with four characters, where each character has three variants. Thus the variant set created would be 3^4= 81 different strings. The size of the variant sets can grow exponentially. * At 2LD level, assume a 2LD string with four characters, where each character has three variants, and the same number for top level. Thus the variant set created would be 3^4 x 3^4= 72171. SSAC goes on to explain that the numerosity of domain names may result in problems: Such large number of variant strings presents challenges for the management of variant domains at the registry, the registrar and registrant levels. We have seen that some registries have imposed additional rules for variants ... Conservatism is also to be used in this case for the root as well. SSAC concludes that "ICANN should ensure that the number of strings that are activated is as small as possible." This can be ensured by minimizing both the TLD and 2LD variant labels and their combinations. Integration Panel ============== Integration states as part of the release of RZ-LGR-1<https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/lgr/lgr-1-overview-24feb16-en.pdf> state the following (LGR = RZ-LGR): There are limitations to what can be done with mechanical application of rules, and in some cases, it is not possible to reduce the number of allocatable labels that is practicable and safe without creating undue restrictions on otherwise valid labels. In this context it is a useful reminder that having a label that is "allocatable" neither means that it will necessarily be delegated, nor that it necessarily should be delegated. In fact, investigations of actual registrations on the second level reveal that applicants have tended to apply for only a small number of variant labels. The LGR can be thought of as creating a maximal set of valid labels and allocatable variants, but other steps in the registration process are expected to include suitable mechanisms to shortlist the set of labels for delegation. It is the view of the Integration Panel that such shortlisting is absolutely necessary, because increasing numerocity of delegated variant is concomitant with an increased risk to the DNS.

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Reference materials for the Root Zone LGR
by Sarmad Hussain April 8, 2018

April 8, 2018

Dear All, During our first online call, there was a request to share reference materials for the Root Zone LGR. Kindly note that you can start from www.icann.org/idn and navigate to the relevant documents through the links provided. Specifically, here are some links to note: 1. Root Zone LGR webpage: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/root-zone-lgr-2015-06-21-en. From this page you can also find all related links: * Proposals for Root Zone LGR<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/lgr-proposals-2015-12-01-en> * Status of Generation Panels<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/generation-panel-2015-06-21-en> * Maximal Starting Repertoire<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/msr-2015-06-21-en> 2. All the reference materials for RZ-LGR are posted at: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/root-zone-lgr-documentation-2017-12-1…. Please let us know if you have any queries or need specific links to certain materials. Regards, Sarmad

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FW: Action Requested: Doodle for RZ-LGR-SG Weekly Meetings
by Sarmad Hussain April 4, 2018

April 4, 2018

Dear All, We are ready to convene the Expert Group to Study the Application of Root Zone Label Generation Rules (RZ-LGR-SG). I have put up a Doodle poll at https://doodle.com/poll/eahtrtntznqw3sn3 to set up a time for our meetings. As suggested in the call for this study group, we will be meeting weekly, as we have an aggressive timeline to finalize the recommendations by ICANN 63, to submit to the ICANN Board. We have set up a wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Application+of+RZ-L…, which lists all the members and an initial set of items to address. Please respond to the doodle poll this week. Please try to fill in as many options as are feasible for you – so that we can find at least one time slot which is ok for everybody on this list. Once we have the time and day set up, we will email further details on how to join the call online. We look forward to assisting you through the process. Please let us know if you have any queries or feedback. Regards, Sarmad

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