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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Reference materials for the Root Zone LGR
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis April 10, 2018

April 10, 2018

Further to the below material, I encourage all of you to review SSAC 060 at https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-060-en.pdf . It is an easy read and you will gain more context. -Dennis From: RZ-LGR-SG <rz-lgr-sg-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Date: Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 3:56 AM To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [RZ-LGR-SG] Reference materials for the Root Zone LGR Dear All, During our first online call, there was a request to share reference materials for the Root Zone LGR. Kindly note that you can start from www.icann.org/idn and navigate to the relevant documents through the links provided. Specifically, here are some links to note: 1. Root Zone LGR webpage: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/root-zone-lgr-2015-06-21-en. From this page you can also find all related links: a. Proposals for Root Zone LGR<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/lgr-proposals-2015-12-01-en> b. Status of Generation Panels<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/generation-panel-2015-06-21-en> c. Maximal Starting Repertoire<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/msr-2015-06-21-en> 2. All the reference materials for RZ-LGR are posted at: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/root-zone-lgr-documentation-2017-12-1…. Please let us know if you have any queries or need specific links to certain materials. Regards, Sarmad

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] [Ext] Re: Potential candidates for the SG
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis April 10, 2018

April 10, 2018

Dear Sarmad, Thank you for confirming. @All , I believe we can benefit from their insights, so I recommend we include them as full members. Mirjana, Edmon and Gaurav have expressed support for their full membership as well. Also, I’m informed Dr. Ajay Data has gained GNSO credential, so this decision comes down to the application of Mr.Dessalegn Mequanint Yehuala Unless there is an objection by tomorrow, we will proceed to accept Mr. Dessalegn Mequanint Yehuala as full member of this study group. @Sarmad Hussain<mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org> Please continue with the doodle poll as stated below. We will decide full membership by tomorrow end of day. Best, Dennis From: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 2:11 AM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com>, "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Potential candidates for the SG Dear All, >> does this wg have the flexibility to accept/reject volunteers at its discretion? Yes, the WG has the flexibility to accept/reject such requests. Kindly confirm if you would like to add them as observers or members? I will invite them to the Doodle Poll as observers, but add them to the email list after the discussion on their status finalized. Regards, Sarmad From: Tan Tanaka, Dennis [mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:10 AM To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org>; rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org Subject: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Potential candidates for the SG Sarmad, Thank you. I have read the information about the two potential volunteers and they seem to understand the subject matter. I believe our group could gain from their insights. That said, I don’t want to take the decision of making them observers or full members lightly. Are there any implications of them not being part of any SOs but allowed to contribute to the final work? in other words, does this wg have the flexibility to accept/reject volunteers at its discretion? Thanks, Dennis From: RZ-LGR-SG <rz-lgr-sg-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org<mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org>> Date: Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 1:30 PM To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org>" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [RZ-LGR-SG] Potential candidates for the SG Dear All, Based on our discussion today, please find below the candidates who have requested to join the RZ-LGR-SG. Kindly advise if you are Ok for them to join and, in that case, whether they be invited as observers or members. 1. Ajay Data; He has not shared details, however, these can be found at https://icannwiki.org/Ajay_Data. He is co-chairing the Neo-Brahmi Generation Panel, which is developing the Root Zone LGR proposal for nine scripts from South Asia. 2. Dessalegn Mequanint Yehuala; SOI attached. Dessalegn chaired the Ethiopic Generation Panel, which has finalized its work. Please let me know if you need any additional information to help you make the decision. I will circulate a doodle poll for scheduling the meeting next week as soon as you decide on how to proceed with these candidates. Regards, Sarmad From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:21 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [RZ-LGR-SG] FW: Action Requested: Doodle for RZ-LGR-SG Weekly Meetings Dear All, We are finalizing UTC 1400 on Thursdays as the meeting time. We will have our first meeting on April 2018. I will share the meeting invitation and information on how to connect shortly. We are also anticipating getting possible nominations from IAB for this study group later this week. We are not sure if the new nominees will be able to join this week. Here are possible topics we would like the Study Group to consider in their initial meeting: 1. How to organize the study group (chair? Co-chair?) 2. Consider additional community members interested but not nominated by SOs/ACs? If yes, as observers or members? 3. Have an initial discussion on the scope and plan of work? 4. AOB We look forward to talking to you soon. Regards, Sarmad From: RZ-LGR-SG [mailto:rz-lgr-sg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sarmad Hussain Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:58 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> Subject: [RZ-LGR-SG] FW: Action Requested: Doodle for RZ-LGR-SG Weekly Meetings Dear All, We are ready to convene the Expert Group to Study the Application of Root Zone Label Generation Rules (RZ-LGR-SG). I have put up a Doodle poll at https://doodle.com/poll/eahtrtntznqw3sn3[doodle.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__doodle.com_poll_eahtrt…> to set up a time for our meetings. As suggested in the call for this study group, we will be meeting weekly, as we have an aggressive timeline to finalize the recommendations by ICANN 63, to submit to the ICANN Board. We have set up a wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Application+of+RZ-L…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…>, which lists all the members and an initial set of items to address. Please respond to the doodle poll this week. Please try to fill in as many options as are feasible for you – so that we can find at least one time slot which is ok for everybody on this list. Once we have the time and day set up, we will email further details on how to join the call online. We look forward to assisting you through the process. Please let us know if you have any queries or feedback. Regards, Sarmad

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Potential candidates for the SG
by Sarmad Hussain April 10, 2018

April 10, 2018

Dear All, Based on our discussion today, please find below the candidates who have requested to join the RZ-LGR-SG. Kindly advise if you are Ok for them to join and, in that case, whether they be invited as observers or members. 1. Ajay Data; He has not shared details, however, these can be found at https://icannwiki.org/Ajay_Data. He is co-chairing the Neo-Brahmi Generation Panel, which is developing the Root Zone LGR proposal for nine scripts from South Asia. 2. Dessalegn Mequanint Yehuala; SOI attached. Dessalegn chaired the Ethiopic Generation Panel, which has finalized its work. Please let me know if you need any additional information to help you make the decision. I will circulate a doodle poll for scheduling the meeting next week as soon as you decide on how to proceed with these candidates. Regards, Sarmad From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:21 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [RZ-LGR-SG] FW: Action Requested: Doodle for RZ-LGR-SG Weekly Meetings Dear All, We are finalizing UTC 1400 on Thursdays as the meeting time. We will have our first meeting on April 2018. I will share the meeting invitation and information on how to connect shortly. We are also anticipating getting possible nominations from IAB for this study group later this week. We are not sure if the new nominees will be able to join this week. Here are possible topics we would like the Study Group to consider in their initial meeting: 1. How to organize the study group (chair? Co-chair?) 2. Consider additional community members interested but not nominated by SOs/ACs? If yes, as observers or members? 3. Have an initial discussion on the scope and plan of work? 4. AOB We look forward to talking to you soon. Regards, Sarmad From: RZ-LGR-SG [mailto:rz-lgr-sg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sarmad Hussain Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:58 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> Subject: [RZ-LGR-SG] FW: Action Requested: Doodle for RZ-LGR-SG Weekly Meetings Dear All, We are ready to convene the Expert Group to Study the Application of Root Zone Label Generation Rules (RZ-LGR-SG). I have put up a Doodle poll at https://doodle.com/poll/eahtrtntznqw3sn3[doodle.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__doodle.com_poll_eahtrt…> to set up a time for our meetings. As suggested in the call for this study group, we will be meeting weekly, as we have an aggressive timeline to finalize the recommendations by ICANN 63, to submit to the ICANN Board. We have set up a wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Application+of+RZ-L…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…>, which lists all the members and an initial set of items to address. Please respond to the doodle poll this week. Please try to fill in as many options as are feasible for you – so that we can find at least one time slot which is ok for everybody on this list. Once we have the time and day set up, we will email further details on how to join the call online. We look forward to assisting you through the process. Please let us know if you have any queries or feedback. Regards, Sarmad

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Meeting notes from 20180405
by Sarmad Hussain April 9, 2018

April 9, 2018

Dear RZ-LGR Study Group members, Please find attached the notes of the meeting on 5 April 2018. Please let us know if you have any feedback. Action Items S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Share materials related to RZ-LGR SH 2 Share details of comments of the Integration Panel regarding over-production of allocatable variants for some TLD labels using the RZ-LGR SH 3 Share details of additional community members who would like to join the study group SH 4 Conduct a doodle poll to set another time for the online weekly meeting of the study group SH The notes are also posted at the wiki page of the study group: https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Application+of+RZ-L…. Regards, Sarmad

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Notes on Number of Allocated Variant Labels: SSAC and Integration Panel Recommendations
by Sarmad Hussain April 8, 2018

April 8, 2018

Dear All, We had a short discussion on the number of allocatable variants and whether these could be reduced - as an item to discuss by this study group. During the discussion, the SSAC recommendation was referred, and it was suggested to have IP input in the process. These are shared below for your reference. Regards, Sarmad SSAC ==== Security and Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC) in Recommendation 14 of [SAC060<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-060-en.pdf>], states: Variants introduce a permutation issue both at the top level as well as with combinations of top level and second level: * At the TLD level, assume a TLD string with four characters, where each character has three variants. Thus the variant set created would be 3^4= 81 different strings. The size of the variant sets can grow exponentially. * At 2LD level, assume a 2LD string with four characters, where each character has three variants, and the same number for top level. Thus the variant set created would be 3^4 x 3^4= 72171. SSAC goes on to explain that the numerosity of domain names may result in problems: Such large number of variant strings presents challenges for the management of variant domains at the registry, the registrar and registrant levels. We have seen that some registries have imposed additional rules for variants ... Conservatism is also to be used in this case for the root as well. SSAC concludes that "ICANN should ensure that the number of strings that are activated is as small as possible." This can be ensured by minimizing both the TLD and 2LD variant labels and their combinations. Integration Panel ============== Integration states as part of the release of RZ-LGR-1<https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/lgr/lgr-1-overview-24feb16-en.pdf> state the following (LGR = RZ-LGR): There are limitations to what can be done with mechanical application of rules, and in some cases, it is not possible to reduce the number of allocatable labels that is practicable and safe without creating undue restrictions on otherwise valid labels. In this context it is a useful reminder that having a label that is "allocatable" neither means that it will necessarily be delegated, nor that it necessarily should be delegated. In fact, investigations of actual registrations on the second level reveal that applicants have tended to apply for only a small number of variant labels. The LGR can be thought of as creating a maximal set of valid labels and allocatable variants, but other steps in the registration process are expected to include suitable mechanisms to shortlist the set of labels for delegation. It is the view of the Integration Panel that such shortlisting is absolutely necessary, because increasing numerocity of delegated variant is concomitant with an increased risk to the DNS.

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Reference materials for the Root Zone LGR
by Sarmad Hussain April 8, 2018

April 8, 2018

Dear All, During our first online call, there was a request to share reference materials for the Root Zone LGR. Kindly note that you can start from www.icann.org/idn and navigate to the relevant documents through the links provided. Specifically, here are some links to note: 1. Root Zone LGR webpage: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/root-zone-lgr-2015-06-21-en. From this page you can also find all related links: * Proposals for Root Zone LGR<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/lgr-proposals-2015-12-01-en> * Status of Generation Panels<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/generation-panel-2015-06-21-en> * Maximal Starting Repertoire<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/msr-2015-06-21-en> 2. All the reference materials for RZ-LGR are posted at: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/root-zone-lgr-documentation-2017-12-1…. Please let us know if you have any queries or need specific links to certain materials. Regards, Sarmad

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FW: Action Requested: Doodle for RZ-LGR-SG Weekly Meetings
by Sarmad Hussain April 4, 2018

April 4, 2018

Dear All, We are ready to convene the Expert Group to Study the Application of Root Zone Label Generation Rules (RZ-LGR-SG). I have put up a Doodle poll at https://doodle.com/poll/eahtrtntznqw3sn3 to set up a time for our meetings. As suggested in the call for this study group, we will be meeting weekly, as we have an aggressive timeline to finalize the recommendations by ICANN 63, to submit to the ICANN Board. We have set up a wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Application+of+RZ-L…, which lists all the members and an initial set of items to address. Please respond to the doodle poll this week. Please try to fill in as many options as are feasible for you – so that we can find at least one time slot which is ok for everybody on this list. Once we have the time and day set up, we will email further details on how to join the call online. We look forward to assisting you through the process. Please let us know if you have any queries or feedback. Regards, Sarmad

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