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RZ LGR Study Group meeting with PTI Staff at ICANN 62 - 11am Panama local time
by Sarmad Hussain July 17, 2018

July 17, 2018

Hi all, Using the right time zone this time, hopefully. This is a placeholder for RZ-LGR-SG meeting with PTI staff to understand the IDN TLD delegation process in the context of IDN variant TLDs based on RZ-LGR. Regards, Sarmad

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Meeting with PTI (IANA)
by Sarmad Hussain June 25, 2018

June 25, 2018

Hi All, We have started the meeting. If you would like to join remotely, please let me know on skype (sarmad.hussain.icann). Regards. Sarmad

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] RZ LGR Study Group meeting with PTI Staff at ICANN 62 - 11am Panama local time
by 王伟 June 25, 2018

June 25, 2018

Hi Sarmad is the meeting room EPIC at E10 floor in Hard Rock Hotel? ------------------ Original ------------------ From: "wangwei(a)knet.cn"<wangwei(a)knet.cn>; Date: Wed, Jun 20, 2018 10:36 AM To: "Sarmad Hussain"<sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org>; "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org"<rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org>; "Kim Davies"<kim.davies(a)iana.org>; Subject: 回复：[RZ-LGR-SG] RZ LGR Study Group meeting with PTI Staff at ICANN 62 - 11am Panama local time Hi Sarmad and all Do you mind if I ask Alibaba send someone to join us? -------- 原始邮件 -------- 主题：[RZ-LGR-SG] RZ LGR Study Group meeting with PTI Staff at ICANN 62 - 11am Panama local time 发件人：Sarmad Hussain 收件人：rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org,Kim Davies 抄送： Hi all, Using the right time zone this time, hopefully. This is a placeholder for RZ-LGR-SG meeting with PTI staff to understand the IDN TLD delegation process in the context of IDN variant TLDs based on RZ-LGR. Regards, Sarmad

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] RZ LGR Study Group meeting with PTI Staff at ICANN 62 - 11am Panama local time
by 王伟 June 20, 2018

June 20, 2018

Hi all Please ignore my last email. ------------------ Original ------------------ From: "wangwei(a)knet.cn"<wangwei(a)knet.cn>; Date: Wed, Jun 20, 2018 10:36 AM To: "Sarmad Hussain"<sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org>; "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org"<rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org>; "Kim Davies"<kim.davies(a)iana.org>; Subject: 回复：[RZ-LGR-SG] RZ LGR Study Group meeting with PTI Staff at ICANN 62 - 11am Panama local time Hi Sarmad and all Do you mind if I ask Alibaba send someone to join us? -------- 原始邮件 -------- 主题：[RZ-LGR-SG] RZ LGR Study Group meeting with PTI Staff at ICANN 62 - 11am Panama local time 发件人：Sarmad Hussain 收件人：rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org,Kim Davies 抄送： Hi all, Using the right time zone this time, hopefully. This is a placeholder for RZ-LGR-SG meeting with PTI staff to understand the IDN TLD delegation process in the context of IDN variant TLDs based on RZ-LGR. Regards, Sarmad

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Note from the scheduled RZ-LGR-SG call on 18 Jun 2018
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana June 18, 2018

June 18, 2018

Dear All, Kindly note that, as there were only two members joined the call today, therefore the call was cancelled. Regards, Pitinan

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RZ LGR Study Group meeting with PTI Staff at ICANN 62 - 11am Panama local time
by Sarmad Hussain June 15, 2018

June 15, 2018

Hi all, Using the right time zone this time, hopefully. This is a placeholder for RZ-LGR-SG meeting with PTI staff to understand the IDN TLD delegation process in the context of IDN variant TLDs based on RZ-LGR. Regards, Sarmad

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RZ LGR Study Group meeting with PTI Staff at ICANN 62
by Sarmad Hussain June 15, 2018

June 15, 2018

Hi all, This is a placeholder for RZ-LGR-SG meeting with PTI staff to understand the IDN TLD delegation process in the context of IDN variant TLDs based on RZ-LGR. Regards, Sarmad

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Meeting with IANA at ICANN62
by Sarmad Hussain June 15, 2018

June 15, 2018

Dear All, (adding Kim Davies) Kim is available for a meeting at ICANN62. The agenda is to understand the IANA TLD delegation process and how it may be impacted by IDN Variant TLDs. So far Wang Wei, Dennis, Gaurav and Dessalegn have confirmed to attend. For those who are planning to meet, how about either at 11am or 3pm on Monday 25 June? Please let us know if you are available at these times. We will finalize accordingly. Regards, Sarmad From: RZ-LGR-SG [mailto:rz-lgr-sg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:12 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org Subject: [RZ-LGR-SG] Are you planning to be at ICANN62? Dear All, Wang Wei suggested we meet with Kim during ICANN62 with regards to learning more about IANA process and whois, following the discussing by the SG. I wanted to ask others in the SG as well if you are planning to attend so that I can find a convenient time for all the members available. Please let me know if you are intending to attend ICANN62 and would like to join this meeting. Regards, Sarmad From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:04 PM To: '王伟' <wangwei(a)knet.cn <mailto:wangwei@knet.cn> > Subject: RE: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Dear Wang Wei, Yes, I am planning to be at ICANN62. It is a good idea to meet with Kim regarding the IANA process and whois system in the context of the discussion by RZ-LGR-SG. I will request for some time from Kim. Regards, Sarmad

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] [Ext] Re: Meeting with IANA at ICANN62
by Sarmad Hussain June 15, 2018

June 15, 2018

Hi Dr. Data. This is not a formally scheduled session so there will not be any remote participation facility. I could add you to the meeting through Skype. Regards, Sarmad From: Dr. Ajay DATA [mailto:ajay@data.in] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 3:42 AM To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org>; rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org; Kim Davies <kim.davies(a)iana.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Meeting with IANA at ICANN62 As I am not able to attend ICANN62 physically, will it be possible to have remote participation ? Thanks. On 14 June 2018 03:24:05 GMT-07:00, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org <mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org> > wrote: Dear All, (adding Kim Davies) Kim is available for a meeting at ICANN62. The agenda is to understand the IANA TLD delegation process and how it may be impacted by IDN Variant TLDs. So far Wang Wei, Dennis, Gaurav and Dessalegn have confirmed to attend. For those who are planning to meet, how about either at 11am or 3pm on Monday 25 June? Please let us know if you are available at these times. We will finalize accordingly. Regards, Sarmad From: RZ-LGR-SG [mailto:rz-lgr-sg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:12 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org <mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> Subject: [RZ-LGR-SG] Are you planning to be at ICANN62? Dear All, Wang Wei suggested we meet with Kim during ICANN62 with regards to learning more about IANA process and whois, following the discussing by the SG. I wanted to ask others in the SG as well if you are planning to attend so that I can find a convenient time for all the members available. Please let me know if you are intending to attend ICANN62 and would like to join this meeting. Regards, Sarmad From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:04 PM To: '王伟' <wangwei(a)knet.cn <mailto:wangwei@knet.cn> > Subject: RE: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Dear Wang Wei, Yes, I am planning to be at ICANN62. It is a good idea to meet with Kim regarding the IANA process and whois system in the context of the discussion by RZ-LGR-SG. I will request for some time from Kim. Regards, Sarmad _____ RZ-LGR-SG mailing list RZ-LGR-SG(a)icann.org <mailto:RZ-LGR-SG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rz-lgr-sg -- Sent from my Android device with XGenPlus.

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chat log from 20180611
by Sarmad Hussain June 11, 2018

June 11, 2018

------------- (06/11/2018 22:06) ------------- Edmon: dennis/sarmad do you have the link handy? Dennis Tan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ4 73Y/edit?usp=sharing Edmon: thx ------------- (06/11/2018 22:16) ------------- Edmon: not sure if i understood sarmad correctly, but i think it might be useful to distinguish between "variants" such as netherlands vs. holland, and IDN variants that is defined by the LGR, in this case the RZ-LGR... ------------- (06/11/2018 22:17) ------------- Sarmad Hussain: "variants" are by definition those from RZ-LGR. Others should be considered unique TLD labels? ------------- (06/11/2018 22:20) ------------- Dennis Tan: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-060-en.pdf Mirjana Tasic .rs: I hear you ------------- (06/11/2018 22:30) ------------- Edmon: so 2 specific suggestions: 1. beofre a generation panel is reconvened, the issue raised should be compared with what was already discussed in the generation-integration panel decisions/discussions from before, it should only be reconvened if new information is brought in ------------- (06/11/2018 22:31) ------------- Edmon: 2. do we talk about appeal against integration panel itself and how it comes out with its consensus position Sarmad Hussain: +1 Edmon Sarmad Hussain: (on Edmon's first comment) :-) Edmon: @sarmad understood, 2 was more of a question Sarmad Hussain: IP position is generally explained Sarmad Hussain: GP should be able to ask IP rationale for a decision ------------- (06/11/2018 22:45) ------------- Edmon: sorry, let me type then ------------- (06/11/2018 22:47) ------------- Edmon: suggestion is that whoever comes in with an appeal should present a technically coherent LGR (or part of LGR pertaining the lang/script) as a basic threshold Dennis Tan: sounds like a reasonable ask Edmon: yes agree with sarmad, we shoul dhave examples Sarmad Hussain: Developing an LGR may be too technical for somebody who is appealing Sarmad Hussain: especially from the community Sarmad Hussain: Though the entity appealing must make their case ------------- (06/11/2018 22:52) ------------- Edmon: hmm sarmad, also we might want to distinguish between an update of the LGR initiated by a renewed generation panel vs. an "appeal" Sarmad Hussain: good point. GP can start at any time Edmon: i guess i read appeal as a different thing, and for that we should set some tech bar, because a renewed GP can be convened for consideration of a number of codepoints without a particualr recommended change to the LGR already in place Edmon: but an appeals should be otherwise Sarmad Hussain: yes, agree Wei WANG: I agree ------------- (06/11/2018 22:55) ------------- alireza: thanks Mirjana Tasic .rs: Bye Wei WANG: thanks

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FW: CANN News Alert -- ICANN Board to Hold Four Public Sessions - Including One on IDN Variant TLD Implementation
by Sarmad Hussain June 11, 2018

June 11, 2018

Dear RZ-LGR SG members, As per the news below, ICANN Board will hold a public session on IDN Variant TLD Implementation Recommendations on 22 June 2018. As a background, the work following the board resolution in 2010 (see under IDN Variant TLD Implementation here <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/idn-relevant-board-resolutions-2017-1…> ) led to the development of the Integrated Issues Report <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/idn-relevant-board-resolutions-2017-1…> (IIR) by the community and ICANN org. IIR identified two gaps in implementing IDN variant TLDs: (i) There was no definition of IDN Variant TLDs (ii) There was no management mechanism for IDN Variant TLDs To address the first item, LGR Procedure was developed and was adopted by the ICANN Board in 2013, which has led to the development of RZ-LGR. Now, through the RZ-LGR, there is a clear definition of IDN Variant TLDs. With its availability, the RZ-LGR Study group has been formed to address the technical aspects of using the RZ-LGR for this purpose. However, RZ-LGR only addresses part of the issue, as identified by IIR. To address the second item, ICANN org has also been looking into the challenges of variant management mechanism to implement IDN Variant TLDs based on current IDN (g and cc) TLD procedures. This particular presentation to the ICANN Board focuses on that part of the work. Naturally, defining variant labels is a pre-requisite of managing them. So our focus has remained the RZ-LGR definition. With the RZ-LGR now available and remaining script communities well underway to finalize their LGR proposals, it is a good time to start the conversation about their management mechanism. Regards, Sarmad <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icann.org_&d=DwMFaQ…> [icann.org] News Alert <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_ann…> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-06-07-en [icann.org] _____ ICANN Board to Hold Four Public Sessions and Board Meeting During Panama Workshop 7 June 2018 LOS ANGELES – 7 June 2018 – The ICANN Board will be holding four public sessions and a public Board meeting during its upcoming workshop in Panama City, Panama, which will be taking place from 22-24 June 2018, ahead of ICANN62. The agenda of the sessions is provided below. Date Time (UTC) Session 22 June 18:15 – 19:15 IDN Variant TLD Implementation Recommendations 23 June 14:00 – 15:00 Public Board Meeting 23 June 18:00 – 18:15 Board FY18 Priorities – Status of Deliverables 23 June 18:15 – 18:45 Long-Term and Short-Term Options for Streamlining the Reviews 23 June 22:00 – 23:00 Internet Governance Strategic Discussion Progress The sessions will be in English only. The format for each will be a listen-only session via Adobe Connect. Adobe Connect Link: https://participate.icann.org/opencommunity/ Participant Code: 5542211258 Additional access numbers: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> &ppc=5542211258&num=1-605-475-5606 [myrcplus.com] For more information about the Panama workshop and other upcoming ICANN Board meetings, please go to https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/2018-board-meetings [icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource…> . About ICANN ICANN's mission is to help ensure a stable, secure and unified global Internet. To reach another person on the Internet, you need to type an address – a name or a number – into your computer or other device. That address must be unique so computers know where to find each other. ICANN helps coordinate and support these unique identifiers across the world. ICANN was formed in 1998 as a not-for-profit public-benefit corporation with a community of participants from all over the world.

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Are you planning to be at ICANN62?
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis June 8, 2018

June 8, 2018

I plan to attend, and would like to be part of the conversation. Thank you! Dennis From: RZ-LGR-SG <rz-lgr-sg-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:55 PM To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org>, "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Are you planning to be at ICANN62? Dear Sarmad, I am not going to Panama. Regards Mirjana From: RZ-LGR-SG <rz-lgr-sg-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Date: Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:11 To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org> Subject: [RZ-LGR-SG] Are you planning to be at ICANN62? Dear All, Wang Wei suggested we meet with Kim during ICANN62 with regards to learning more about IANA process and whois, following the discussing by the SG. I wanted to ask others in the SG as well if you are planning to attend so that I can find a convenient time for all the members available. Please let me know if you are intending to attend ICANN62 and would like to join this meeting. Regards, Sarmad From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:04 PM To: '王伟' <wangwei(a)knet.cn> Subject: RE: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Dear Wang Wei, Yes, I am planning to be at ICANN62. It is a good idea to meet with Kim regarding the IANA process and whois system in the context of the discussion by RZ-LGR-SG. I will request for some time from Kim. Regards, Sarmad From: 王伟 [mailto:wangwei@knet.cn] Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:59 PM To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org<mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Hi Sarmad Thanks for your work. Will you attend ICANN'62 Panama meeting? I think we could have a talk with Kim over the issue related to IANA system. Regards, Wei WANG ------------------ Original ------------------ From: "Sarmad Hussain"<sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org<mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org>>; Date: Tue, Jun 5, 2018 02:02 AM To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org>"<rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org>>; Subject: Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Chat from 20180604. Wei WANG: hello Dennis Tan: Hi there Wei WANG: good to have adobe back Pitinan Kooarmornpatana: Hello all Dennis Tan: Link to draft doc : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ…<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ…> Dennis Tan: sorry, wrong link Dennis Tan: use this instead https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… ------------- (06/04/2018 22:02) ------------- Pitinan Kooarmornpatana: they have one as default system Wei WANG: sorry, I can't open the webpage Dennis Tan: does this one work? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… Wei WANG: no, I am sorry. but I can see the shared screen Edmon: google doc problem in china or otherwise? Wei WANG: T_T ------------- (06/04/2018 22:06) ------------- Wei WANG: I changed to Chrome, the link is open now ------------- (06/04/2018 22:26) ------------- Edmon: 1. reserved due to not being allowed to be applied for ------------- (06/04/2018 22:27) ------------- Edmon: sorry "1." was typo Edmon: i just wanted to mention what i just said Dennis Tan: thank you Edmon ------------- (06/04/2018 22:30) ------------- Sarmad Hussain: We should look at LGR procedure to see what it says for this ------------- (06/04/2018 22:40) ------------- Edmon: i think delegation mainly Edmon: redelegation is really just an update of the contact? (in a pure tech sense) Wei WANG: good question, shall we bring this quesiton to ICANN62? Wei WANG: I mean I could try to ask for Kim Davis's advice Edmon: good to ask for Kim... i am wondering if iana does a check of whether the TLD string for delegation is valid or not again... ------------- (06/04/2018 22:49) ------------- Sarmad Hussain: Would status change be covered in the matrix we are doing? ------------- (06/04/2018 22:52) ------------- Edmon: i think sarmad is correct about 2nd level registrations, however, it might be useful for us to put in a recommendation that says if an IDN Variant TLD is identified and allocated it does to some sense mean that end users may likely treat the 2 TLD strings as interchangeable, and therefore would be surprised if the 2nd level domain is not in some ways equally "bundled"... <domain>.<IDN> => <domain>.<IDNvar> should at least be allocated to same registrant?... and ICANN should check the rules of the application to ensure that is the case? ------------- (06/04/2018 22:55) ------------- Edmon: ok Regards, Sarmad -----Original Appointment----- From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 12:59 PM To: Tan Tanaka, Dennis; Mirjana Tasić; Dusan Stojicevic; 王伟; Edmon; Gaurav Vedi; Dessalegn Yehuala; ajay(a)data.in<mailto:ajay@data.in>; Alireza Saleh Cc: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Subject: Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - Mondays 1700 UTC When: Occurs every Monday effective 4/16/2018 until 10/13/2018 from 10:00 PM to 11:00 PM (UTC+05:00) Islamabad, Karachi. Where: participate.icann.org/idn Hello All, This is a placeholder for the weekly meeting of RZ-LGR Study Group on Mondays at 5pm UTC. Please note that the Adobe Connect Services are now back on. We will now start using the Adobe Connect IDN meeting room, per the details below: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692 Regards, Sarmad

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Meeting notes from 20180604
by Sarmad Hussain June 7, 2018

June 7, 2018

Dear All, Please find attached the meeting notes from 4 June 2018. Please let me know if you have any feedback. The next meeting will be on 11 June 2018. Action Items S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Think through any cases where invalid labels may also need to be reserved, in case these become valid in the future, and develop any examples to explain the case (Item 1.i.) EC 2 Create a matrix capturing all the states changes possible and recommendations for each of the cases (allocatable, allocated, blocked, reserved, etc.) DT 3 Get more details on the IANA delegation process SH 4 The item on IANA process and whois records will be fine-tuned DT 5 Merge the related topics 2.D, 2.E. and 1.K DT 6 Add SSAC's recommendation for 3.A/B DT 7 Review and provide feedback on the whole document ALL These meeting notes and the recording of the session have been posted at the wiki page of the study group at: https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Study+Group+on+Techn ical+Use+of+RZ-LGR. Regards, Sarmad

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Are you planning to be at ICANN62?
by Mirjana Tasić June 7, 2018

June 7, 2018

Dear Sarmad, I am not going to Panama. Regards Mirjana From: RZ-LGR-SG <rz-lgr-sg-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Date: Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:11 To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org> Subject: [RZ-LGR-SG] Are you planning to be at ICANN62? Dear All, Wang Wei suggested we meet with Kim during ICANN62 with regards to learning more about IANA process and whois, following the discussing by the SG. I wanted to ask others in the SG as well if you are planning to attend so that I can find a convenient time for all the members available. Please let me know if you are intending to attend ICANN62 and would like to join this meeting. Regards, Sarmad From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:04 PM To: '王伟' <wangwei(a)knet.cn> Subject: RE: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Dear Wang Wei, Yes, I am planning to be at ICANN62. It is a good idea to meet with Kim regarding the IANA process and whois system in the context of the discussion by RZ-LGR-SG. I will request for some time from Kim. Regards, Sarmad From: 王伟 [mailto:wangwei@knet.cn] Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:59 PM To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org<mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Hi Sarmad Thanks for your work. Will you attend ICANN'62 Panama meeting? I think we could have a talk with Kim over the issue related to IANA system. Regards, Wei WANG ------------------ Original ------------------ From: "Sarmad Hussain"<sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org<mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org>>; Date: Tue, Jun 5, 2018 02:02 AM To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org>"<rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org<mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org>>; Subject: Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Chat from 20180604. Wei WANG: hello Dennis Tan: Hi there Wei WANG: good to have adobe back Pitinan Kooarmornpatana: Hello all Dennis Tan: Link to draft doc : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ…<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ…> Dennis Tan: sorry, wrong link Dennis Tan: use this instead https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… ------------- (06/04/2018 22:02) ------------- Pitinan Kooarmornpatana: they have one as default system Wei WANG: sorry, I can't open the webpage Dennis Tan: does this one work? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… Wei WANG: no, I am sorry. but I can see the shared screen Edmon: google doc problem in china or otherwise? Wei WANG: T_T ------------- (06/04/2018 22:06) ------------- Wei WANG: I changed to Chrome, the link is open now ------------- (06/04/2018 22:26) ------------- Edmon: 1. reserved due to not being allowed to be applied for ------------- (06/04/2018 22:27) ------------- Edmon: sorry "1." was typo Edmon: i just wanted to mention what i just said Dennis Tan: thank you Edmon ------------- (06/04/2018 22:30) ------------- Sarmad Hussain: We should look at LGR procedure to see what it says for this ------------- (06/04/2018 22:40) ------------- Edmon: i think delegation mainly Edmon: redelegation is really just an update of the contact? (in a pure tech sense) Wei WANG: good question, shall we bring this quesiton to ICANN62? Wei WANG: I mean I could try to ask for Kim Davis's advice Edmon: good to ask for Kim... i am wondering if iana does a check of whether the TLD string for delegation is valid or not again... ------------- (06/04/2018 22:49) ------------- Sarmad Hussain: Would status change be covered in the matrix we are doing? ------------- (06/04/2018 22:52) ------------- Edmon: i think sarmad is correct about 2nd level registrations, however, it might be useful for us to put in a recommendation that says if an IDN Variant TLD is identified and allocated it does to some sense mean that end users may likely treat the 2 TLD strings as interchangeable, and therefore would be surprised if the 2nd level domain is not in some ways equally "bundled"... <domain>.<IDN> => <domain>.<IDNvar> should at least be allocated to same registrant?... and ICANN should check the rules of the application to ensure that is the case? ------------- (06/04/2018 22:55) ------------- Edmon: ok Regards, Sarmad -----Original Appointment----- From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 12:59 PM To: Tan Tanaka, Dennis; Mirjana Tasić; Dusan Stojicevic; 王伟; Edmon; Gaurav Vedi; Dessalegn Yehuala; ajay(a)data.in<mailto:ajay@data.in>; Alireza Saleh Cc: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Subject: Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - Mondays 1700 UTC When: Occurs every Monday effective 4/16/2018 until 10/13/2018 from 10:00 PM to 11:00 PM (UTC+05:00) Islamabad, Karachi. Where: participate.icann.org/idn Hello All, This is a placeholder for the weekly meeting of RZ-LGR Study Group on Mondays at 5pm UTC. Please note that the Adobe Connect Services are now back on. We will now start using the Adobe Connect IDN meeting room, per the details below: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692 Regards, Sarmad

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Are you planning to be at ICANN62?
by Sarmad Hussain June 7, 2018

June 7, 2018

Dear All, Wang Wei suggested we meet with Kim during ICANN62 with regards to learning more about IANA process and whois, following the discussing by the SG. I wanted to ask others in the SG as well if you are planning to attend so that I can find a convenient time for all the members available. Please let me know if you are intending to attend ICANN62 and would like to join this meeting. Regards, Sarmad From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:04 PM To: '王伟' <wangwei(a)knet.cn> Subject: RE: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Dear Wang Wei, Yes, I am planning to be at ICANN62. It is a good idea to meet with Kim regarding the IANA process and whois system in the context of the discussion by RZ-LGR-SG. I will request for some time from Kim. Regards, Sarmad From: 王伟 [mailto:wangwei@knet.cn] Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:59 PM To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org <mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org> > Subject: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Hi Sarmad Thanks for your work. Will you attend ICANN'62 Panama meeting? I think we could have a talk with Kim over the issue related to IANA system. Regards, Wei WANG ------------------ Original ------------------ From: "Sarmad Hussain"<sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org <mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org> >; Date: Tue, Jun 5, 2018 02:02 AM To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org <mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> "<rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org <mailto:rz-lgr-sg@icann.org> >; Subject: Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604 Chat from 20180604. Wei WANG: hello Dennis Tan: Hi there Wei WANG: good to have adobe back Pitinan Kooarmornpatana: Hello all Dennis Tan: Link to draft doc : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ…> Dennis Tan: sorry, wrong link Dennis Tan: use this instead https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… ------------- (06/04/2018 22:02) ------------- Pitinan Kooarmornpatana: they have one as default system Wei WANG: sorry, I can't open the webpage Dennis Tan: does this one work? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… Wei WANG: no, I am sorry. but I can see the shared screen Edmon: google doc problem in china or otherwise? Wei WANG: T_T ------------- (06/04/2018 22:06) ------------- Wei WANG: I changed to Chrome, the link is open now ------------- (06/04/2018 22:26) ------------- Edmon: 1. reserved due to not being allowed to be applied for ------------- (06/04/2018 22:27) ------------- Edmon: sorry "1." was typo Edmon: i just wanted to mention what i just said Dennis Tan: thank you Edmon ------------- (06/04/2018 22:30) ------------- Sarmad Hussain: We should look at LGR procedure to see what it says for this ------------- (06/04/2018 22:40) ------------- Edmon: i think delegation mainly Edmon: redelegation is really just an update of the contact? (in a pure tech sense) Wei WANG: good question, shall we bring this quesiton to ICANN62? Wei WANG: I mean I could try to ask for Kim Davis's advice Edmon: good to ask for Kim... i am wondering if iana does a check of whether the TLD string for delegation is valid or not again... ------------- (06/04/2018 22:49) ------------- Sarmad Hussain: Would status change be covered in the matrix we are doing? ------------- (06/04/2018 22:52) ------------- Edmon: i think sarmad is correct about 2nd level registrations, however, it might be useful for us to put in a recommendation that says if an IDN Variant TLD is identified and allocated it does to some sense mean that end users may likely treat the 2 TLD strings as interchangeable, and therefore would be surprised if the 2nd level domain is not in some ways equally "bundled"... <domain>.<IDN> => <domain>.<IDNvar> should at least be allocated to same registrant?... and ICANN should check the rules of the application to ensure that is the case? ------------- (06/04/2018 22:55) ------------- Edmon: ok Regards, Sarmad -----Original Appointment----- From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 12:59 PM To: Tan Tanaka, Dennis; Mirjana Tasić; Dusan Stojicevic; 王伟; Edmon; Gaurav Vedi; Dessalegn Yehuala; ajay(a)data.in <mailto:ajay@data.in> ; Alireza Saleh Cc: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Subject: Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - Mondays 1700 UTC When: Occurs every Monday effective 4/16/2018 until 10/13/2018 from 10:00 PM to 11:00 PM (UTC+05:00) Islamabad, Karachi. Where: participate.icann.org/idn Hello All, This is a placeholder for the weekly meeting of RZ-LGR Study Group on Mondays at 5pm UTC. Please note that the Adobe Connect Services are now back on. We will now start using the Adobe Connect IDN meeting room, per the details below: Link to Adobe Connect: <https://participate.icann.org/idn/> https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com] Participant Passcode: 1064158692 Regards, Sarmad

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - 20180604
by Sarmad Hussain June 4, 2018

June 4, 2018

Chat from 20180604. Wei WANG: hello Dennis Tan: Hi there Wei WANG: good to have adobe back Pitinan Kooarmornpatana: Hello all Dennis Tan: Link to draft doc : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… Dennis Tan: sorry, wrong link Dennis Tan: use this instead https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… ------------- (06/04/2018 22:02) ------------- Pitinan Kooarmornpatana: they have one as default system Wei WANG: sorry, I can't open the webpage Dennis Tan: does this one work? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… Wei WANG: no, I am sorry. but I can see the shared screen Edmon: google doc problem in china or otherwise? Wei WANG: T_T ------------- (06/04/2018 22:06) ------------- Wei WANG: I changed to Chrome, the link is open now ------------- (06/04/2018 22:26) ------------- Edmon: 1. reserved due to not being allowed to be applied for ------------- (06/04/2018 22:27) ------------- Edmon: sorry "1." was typo Edmon: i just wanted to mention what i just said Dennis Tan: thank you Edmon ------------- (06/04/2018 22:30) ------------- Sarmad Hussain: We should look at LGR procedure to see what it says for this ------------- (06/04/2018 22:40) ------------- Edmon: i think delegation mainly Edmon: redelegation is really just an update of the contact? (in a pure tech sense) Wei WANG: good question, shall we bring this quesiton to ICANN62? Wei WANG: I mean I could try to ask for Kim Davis's advice Edmon: good to ask for Kim... i am wondering if iana does a check of whether the TLD string for delegation is valid or not again... ------------- (06/04/2018 22:49) ------------- Sarmad Hussain: Would status change be covered in the matrix we are doing? ------------- (06/04/2018 22:52) ------------- Edmon: i think sarmad is correct about 2nd level registrations, however, it might be useful for us to put in a recommendation that says if an IDN Variant TLD is identified and allocated it does to some sense mean that end users may likely treat the 2 TLD strings as interchangeable, and therefore would be surprised if the 2nd level domain is not in some ways equally "bundled"... <domain>.<IDN> => <domain>.<IDNvar> should at least be allocated to same registrant?... and ICANN should check the rules of the application to ensure that is the case? ------------- (06/04/2018 22:55) ------------- Edmon: ok Regards, Sarmad -----Original Appointment----- From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 12:59 PM To: Tan Tanaka, Dennis; Mirjana Tasić; Dusan Stojicevic; 王伟; Edmon; Gaurav Vedi; Dessalegn Yehuala; ajay(a)data.in; Alireza Saleh Cc: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Subject: Application of RZ-LGR Study Group - Mondays 1700 UTC When: Occurs every Monday effective 4/16/2018 until 10/13/2018 from 10:00 PM to 11:00 PM (UTC+05:00) Islamabad, Karachi. Where: participate.icann.org/idn Hello All, This is a placeholder for the weekly meeting of RZ-LGR Study Group on Mondays at 5pm UTC. Please note that the Adobe Connect Services are now back on. We will now start using the Adobe Connect IDN meeting room, per the details below: Link to Adobe Connect: <https://participate.icann.org/idn/> https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: <https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-…> https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692 Regards, Sarmad

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] [Ext] Re: Meeting notes from 20180521
by Dr Ajay Data June 4, 2018

June 4, 2018

I will have to miss this call, as travelling.Thanks. Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder &amp CEO Get email id like अजय(a)xn--c2bd1gb.xn--h2brj9c in your own language,visit www.xgenplus.com From: Sarmad Hussain MailId : [82045153]To: "Tan Tanaka,Dennis" ,"rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" Subject: Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] [Ext] Re: Meeting notes from 20180521Date: 04 Jun 2018 06:25:41 PM Thank you Dennis. I have put in some comments for everybody&rsquos consideration . Regards,Sarmad From: Tan Tanaka, Dennis [mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:43 PMTo: Sarmad Hussain rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.orgSubject: [Ext] Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Meeting notes from 20180521 Dear SG, The revised version of the doc is here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… [docs.google.com] Please review it and comment at your earliest convenience. We will regroup next Monday, June 4 &hellip same hour, same channel . Best, Dennis From: RZ-LGR-SG rz-lgr-sg-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org>Date: Monday, May 28, 2018 at 7:01 AMTo: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org>Subject: [EXTERNAL] [RZ-LGR-SG] Meeting notes from 20180521 With the corrected date in the subject line . From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 4:00 PMTo: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.orgSubject: RE: Meeting notes from 20180514 Dear All, Please find attached the meeting notes from 21 May 2018. Please let me know if you have any feedback . Please note that there is no meeting today. The next meeting will be on 4 June 2018 . Action Items S. No . Action Items Owner 1 Update the explanation for single character TLDs in the scope document based on the discussion in the SG and in SAC052 DT 2 Remove item D from the scope, regarding the discussion on two-character TLDs DT 3 Remove items E and F from the scope, as script mixing is relevant for the discussion between GP and IP but not relevant for SG DT 4 For item G, four cases to be added for discussion and, in addition, the SG should also discuss how to address the variant labels already arbitrarily identified by the applicant for ccTLDs and gTLDs DT 5 Reformulate the question in item J to discuss when can RZ-LGR be applied? DT 6 Review the updated scope document and add comments and feedback ALL Dennis, you seem to have many action items to address. I am happy to help with any of the editing tasks, if you would like. Please let me know . These meeting notes and the recording of the session have been posted at the wiki page of the study group at: https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Study+Group+on+Tech… [community.icann.org] . Regards,Sarmad _______________________________________________RZ-LGR-SG mailing listRZ-LGR-SG@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rz-lgr-sgDo not Remove:[HID]20180604182541613[-HID]

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Re: [RZ-LGR-SG] Meeting notes from 20180521
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis June 4, 2018

June 4, 2018

Dear SG, The revised version of the doc is here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCpLpl9nkHq7D7Pf0gyJm7zSllVC9pLvsu_7YdJ… Please review it and comment at your earliest convenience. We will regroup next Monday, June 4 … same hour, same channel. Best, Dennis From: RZ-LGR-SG <rz-lgr-sg-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Date: Monday, May 28, 2018 at 7:01 AM To: "rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org" <rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [RZ-LGR-SG] Meeting notes from 20180521 With the corrected date in the subject line. From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 4:00 PM To: rz-lgr-sg(a)icann.org Subject: RE: Meeting notes from 20180514 Dear All, Please find attached the meeting notes from 21 May 2018. Please let me know if you have any feedback. Please note that there is no meeting today. The next meeting will be on 4 June 2018. Action Items S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Update the explanation for single character TLDs in the scope document based on the discussion in the SG and in SAC052 DT 2 Remove item D from the scope, regarding the discussion on two-character TLDs DT 3 Remove items E and F from the scope, as script mixing is relevant for the discussion between GP and IP but not relevant for SG DT 4 For item G, four cases to be added for discussion and, in addition, the SG should also discuss how to address the variant labels already arbitrarily identified by the applicant for ccTLDs and gTLDs DT 5 Reformulate the question in item J to discuss when can RZ-LGR be applied? DT 6 Review the updated scope document and add comments and feedback ALL Dennis, you seem to have many action items to address. I am happy to help with any of the editing tasks, if you would like. Please let me know. These meeting notes and the recording of the session have been posted at the wiki page of the study group at: https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Study+Group+on+Tech…. Regards, Sarmad

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