Dear IRT members, I trust this email finds you well. For tomorrow’s call (Tuesday 28 Jan, 13:00-15:00 UTC), please, see below a link to a short document on the definition of ‘material impact’ – also attached as pdf. We will share the draft ‘Terms and Conditions’ Tuesday morning (CET) as well as an AGB section on contention resolution concerning geo name applications. I know you will likely not be able to review these before the call. I will walk through the documents, tomorrow, take initial feedback and you can then add comments on both documents after the call. We will schedule follow-up calls for both issues as needed. Best wishes, Lars Definition of “Material Impact” for Predictability Framework <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qbxrnE-71jmzwfDwMMTGbqnuHU3WkUQXibZsXGbL...>
The issue with “monetary impact” is the definition that only serves gTLDs oriented towards selling registrations. It could probably be made more generic tuning it to the mission of the TLD. This includes the many facets of impact that may happen to an application. Rubens
Em 27 de jan. de 2025, à(s) 18:47, Lars Hoffmann via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org> escreveu:
Dear IRT members,
I trust this email finds you well. For tomorrow’s call (Tuesday 28 Jan, 13:00-15:00 UTC), please, see below a link to a short document on the definition of ‘material impact’ – also attached as pdf. We will share the draft ‘Terms and Conditions’ Tuesday morning (CET) as well as an AGB section on contention resolution concerning geo name applications. I know you will likely not be able to review these before the call. I will walk through the documents, tomorrow, take initial feedback and you can then add comments on both documents after the call. We will schedule follow-up calls for both issues as needed.
Best wishes, Lars
Definition of “Material Impact” for Predictability Framework <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qbxrnE-71jmzwfDwMMTGbqnuHU3WkUQXibZsXGbL...>
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I will not be able to be on the call, but material impact includes more than the change of the status of the application, change of the outcome of the evaluation, or non-trivial monetary impact (whatever that means….after all what is trivial to a large operator may be very material to smaller registries (ie., the price increases introduced by ICANN). It also includes: 1. Forcing a change of business models: (eg., what happened when ICANN initially stated in 2012 that is was not allowing closed generics). Brand Applicants were forced to change from being a closed registry to having to allow registrations by third parties including their competitors. This resulted in some brands dropping out; 2. Introducing delay in the evaluation and/or delegation of the TLD (eg., the name collision stuff as it was introduced during a change in 2012)l 3. A material change in the terms and conditions of the application, or the registry agreement (eg., as was in the case of ICANN changing the 2012 Base RA unilaterally when Fadi came in to be the CEO) 4. Adding new requirements or new policies each registry must implement that were not contemplated prior to the the submission of the application; 5. material change to the criteria for evaluation, contention resolution, or delegation of the TLD. Each of these were discussed by the SubPro IRT as the basis for having the Predictability Framework, why such changes should be avoided as much as possible during a round, and why such changes should allow additional refunds. I hope these examples help you think about how your definition needs to be amended. I look forward to listening to the call recording. Sincerely, Jeffrey J. Neuman Founder & CEO JJN Solutions, LLC +1.202.549.5079 Jeff@jjnsolutions.com ________________________________ From: Rubens Kuhl via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 2:05 PM To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org>; Next Round Policy Implementation via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org> Subject: [SubPro-IRT] Re: Material Impact The issue with “monetary impact” is the definition that only serves gTLDs oriented towards selling registrations. It could probably be made more generic tuning it to the mission of the TLD. This includes the many facets of impact that may happen to an application. Rubens Em 27 de jan. de 2025, à(s) 18:47, Lars Hoffmann via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org> escreveu: Dear IRT members, I trust this email finds you well. For tomorrow’s call (Tuesday 28 Jan, 13:00-15:00 UTC), please, see below a link to a short document on the definition of ‘material impact’ – also attached as pdf. We will share the draft ‘Terms and Conditions’ Tuesday morning (CET) as well as an AGB section on contention resolution concerning geo name applications. I know you will likely not be able to review these before the call. I will walk through the documents, tomorrow, take initial feedback and you can then add comments on both documents after the call. We will schedule follow-up calls for both issues as needed. Best wishes, Lars Definition of “Material Impact” for Predictability Framework <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qbxrnE-71jmzwfDwMMTGbqnuHU3WkUQXibZsXGbL...> <EXT_Material_Impact.pdf>_______________________________________________ SubPro-IRT mailing list -- subpro-irt@icann.org<mailto:subpro-irt@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to subpro-irt-leave@icann.org<mailto:subpro-irt-leave@icann.org> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Thanks, Rubens. A change in the program affects applicants as they move through the program/evaluation (for example, more costs arise than previously anticipated). If there are changes that affect how registries operate than this would presumably be based on the RA which, to the point I made to Jeff, would be a policy change not an operational change. Looking forward to discussing this further during today’s call. Very best. Lars From: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> Date: Monday, 27 January 2025 at 23:05 To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org>, Next Round Policy Implementation via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [SubPro-IRT] Material Impact The issue with “monetary impact” is the definition that only serves gTLDs oriented towards selling registrations. It could probably be made more generic tuning it to the mission of the TLD. This includes the many facets of impact that may happen to an application. Rubens Em 27 de jan. de 2025, à(s) 18:47, Lars Hoffmann via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org> escreveu: Dear IRT members, I trust this email finds you well. For tomorrow’s call (Tuesday 28 Jan, 13:00-15:00 UTC), please, see below a link to a short document on the definition of ‘material impact’ – also attached as pdf. We will share the draft ‘Terms and Conditions’ Tuesday morning (CET) as well as an AGB section on contention resolution concerning geo name applications. I know you will likely not be able to review these before the call. I will walk through the documents, tomorrow, take initial feedback and you can then add comments on both documents after the call. We will schedule follow-up calls for both issues as needed. Best wishes, Lars Definition of “Material Impact” for Predictability Framework [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1qbxrnE-71jmzw...> <EXT_Material_Impact.pdf>_______________________________________________ SubPro-IRT mailing list -- subpro-irt@icann.org<mailto:subpro-irt@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to subpro-irt-leave@icann.org<mailto:subpro-irt-leave@icann.org> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Lars, ICANN did a number of RA changes in 2012, including the one forbidding same-entity vertical integration that only was published in October 2012 many months after the closing of the round, so the impact of possible changes is not confined to what happens during the application phase. Rubens
Em 28 de jan. de 2025, à(s) 06:53, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> escreveu:
Thanks, Rubens.
A change in the program affects applicants as they move through the program/evaluation (for example, more costs arise than previously anticipated). If there are changes that affect how registries operate than this would presumably be based on the RA which, to the point I made to Jeff, would be a policy change not an operational change.
Looking forward to discussing this further during today’s call. Very best. Lars
From: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br <mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> Date: Monday, 27 January 2025 at 23:05 To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org <mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>>, Next Round Policy Implementation via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org <mailto:subpro-irt@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [SubPro-IRT] Material Impact
The issue with “monetary impact” is the definition that only serves gTLDs oriented towards selling registrations. It could probably be made more generic tuning it to the mission of the TLD.
This includes the many facets of impact that may happen to an application.
Rubens
Em 27 de jan. de 2025, à(s) 18:47, Lars Hoffmann via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org <mailto:subpro-irt@icann.org>> escreveu:
Dear IRT members,
I trust this email finds you well. For tomorrow’s call (Tuesday 28 Jan, 13:00-15:00 UTC), please, see below a link to a short document on the definition of ‘material impact’ – also attached as pdf. We will share the draft ‘Terms and Conditions’ Tuesday morning (CET) as well as an AGB section on contention resolution concerning geo name applications. I know you will likely not be able to review these before the call. I will walk through the documents, tomorrow, take initial feedback and you can then add comments on both documents after the call. We will schedule follow-up calls for both issues as needed.
Best wishes, Lars
Definition of “Material Impact” for Predictability Framework [docs.google.com] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1qbxrnE-71jmzw...>
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