Internet Principles by ICANN in Strategic Plan
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14... Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, trusted, inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses Internet issues. One of the key success factors says: Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while *encouraging all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial*. Related questions: 1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations? 2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss? Kind Regards, Rahul Sharma
Hi Rahul, I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they do participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly defines such global principles(better called standards) for the internet. To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely supported by the ICANN community but note that those principles are not binding for any organisation they are mainly recommendations. Cheers! sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14...
Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, trusted, inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses Internet issues.
One of the key success factors says:
Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while *encouraging all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial*.
Related questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Kind Regards, Rahul Sharma
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Hi Seun and Rahul, Since ICANN is Community just like the IETF, my thoughts are it should define and adopt the principles it beleives in. I agree with you on the second answer. Regards On 3/30/15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rahul,
I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they do participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly defines such global principles(better called standards) for the internet. To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely supported by the ICANN community but note that those principles are not binding for any organisation they are mainly recommendations.
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14...
Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, trusted, inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses Internet issues.
One of the key success factors says:
Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while *encouraging all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial*.
Related questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Kind Regards, Rahul Sharma
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Hi Barack, ICANN community sure makes her our principles, the question was asking about who makes INTERNET principles and the closest answer I have to that is the IETF which sets operating standards of the internet globally (Protocol parameters). Regards sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:12, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Rahul,
Since ICANN is Community just like the IETF, my thoughts are it should define and adopt the principles it beleives in. I agree with you on the second answer.
Regards
On 3/30/15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rahul,
I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they do participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly defines such global principles(better called standards) for the internet. To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely supported by the ICANN community but note that those principles are not binding for any organisation they are mainly recommendations.
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14...
Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, trusted, inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses Internet issues.
One of the key success factors says:
Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in
multistakeholder
mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while *encouraging all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial*.
Related questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Kind Regards, Rahul Sharma
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Edit: her our principles = her own principles Cheers! sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:42, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Barack,
ICANN community sure makes her our principles, the question was asking about who makes INTERNET principles and the closest answer I have to that is the IETF which sets operating standards of the internet globally (Protocol parameters).
Regards
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:12, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Rahul,
Since ICANN is Community just like the IETF, my thoughts are it should define and adopt the principles it beleives in. I agree with you on the second answer.
Regards
On 3/30/15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rahul,
I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they do participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly defines such global principles(better called standards) for the internet. To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely supported by the ICANN community but note that those principles are not binding for any organisation they are mainly recommendations.
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14...
Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global,
trusted,
inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses Internet issues.
One of the key success factors says:
Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while *encouraging all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial*.
Related questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Kind Regards, Rahul Sharma
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Hi Seun and Barrack, Thank you for your inputs. When I said Internet Principles, I meant principles such as promoting open architecture, protection of intermediaries, preserving human rights, IG process principles, promoting open standards, privacy, diversity, security and stability etc.. Please refer set of Internet principles endorsed by NETMundial: https://www.netmundial.org/principles These are over-arching principles, that go beyond technical standards adopted by IETF. In this context, I again post my questions: 1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations? 2. Are group members aware whether decision of endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision unknown to community? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss? Regards, Rahul Sharma On 30 March 2015 at 11:15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Edit: her our principles = her own principles
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:42, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Barack,
ICANN community sure makes her our principles, the question was asking about who makes INTERNET principles and the closest answer I have to that is the IETF which sets operating standards of the internet globally (Protocol parameters).
Regards
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:12, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Rahul,
Since ICANN is Community just like the IETF, my thoughts are it should define and adopt the principles it beleives in. I agree with you on the second answer.
Regards
On 3/30/15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rahul,
I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they do participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly defines such global principles(better called standards) for the internet. To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely supported by the ICANN community but note that those principles are not binding for any organisation they are mainly recommendations.
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14...
Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global,
trusted,
inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses Internet issues.
One of the key success factors says:
Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while *encouraging all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial*.
Related questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Kind Regards, Rahul Sharma
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-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
Sure ICANN does adopts such general Internet principals and that's why it has an increasing multistakeholder community. I guess the second question has been answered in that context. However I presume you are trying to make a point; is there any specific aspect of the principles you listed that you think ICANN(and it's community) is not exhibiting or can improve on? Cheers! sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 08:16, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Barrack,
Thank you for your inputs. When I said Internet Principles, I meant principles such as promoting open architecture, protection of intermediaries, preserving human rights, IG process principles, promoting open standards, privacy, diversity, security and stability etc..
Please refer set of Internet principles endorsed by NETMundial: https://www.netmundial.org/principles
These are over-arching principles, that go beyond technical standards adopted by IETF. In this context, I again post my questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether decision of endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision unknown to community? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Regards, Rahul Sharma
On 30 March 2015 at 11:15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Edit: her our principles = her own principles
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:42, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Barack,
ICANN community sure makes her our principles, the question was asking about who makes INTERNET principles and the closest answer I have to that is the IETF which sets operating standards of the internet globally (Protocol parameters).
Regards
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:12, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Rahul,
Since ICANN is Community just like the IETF, my thoughts are it should define and adopt the principles it beleives in. I agree with you on the second answer.
Regards
On 3/30/15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rahul,
I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they do participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly defines such global principles(better called standards) for the internet. To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely supported by the ICANN community but note that those principles are not binding for any organisation they are mainly recommendations.
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14...
Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global,
trusted,
inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses Internet issues.
One of the key success factors says:
Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while *encouraging all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial*.
Related questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Kind Regards, Rahul Sharma
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Not really Seun. I meant what are the Internet principles ICANN imbibes or endorses by virtue of it being trans-national institution involved in IG matters. That would also mean defining those principles and listing down these principles on ICANN website. Like NETMundial listed down Internet principles, should ICANN do it too? Hope this is clear now. Regards, Rahul Sharma On 30 March 2015 at 12:55, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Sure ICANN does adopts such general Internet principals and that's why it has an increasing multistakeholder community. I guess the second question has been answered in that context.
However I presume you are trying to make a point; is there any specific aspect of the principles you listed that you think ICANN(and it's community) is not exhibiting or can improve on?
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 08:16, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Barrack,
Thank you for your inputs. When I said Internet Principles, I meant principles such as promoting open architecture, protection of intermediaries, preserving human rights, IG process principles, promoting open standards, privacy, diversity, security and stability etc..
Please refer set of Internet principles endorsed by NETMundial: https://www.netmundial.org/principles
These are over-arching principles, that go beyond technical standards adopted by IETF. In this context, I again post my questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether decision of endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision unknown to community? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Regards, Rahul Sharma
On 30 March 2015 at 11:15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Edit: her our principles = her own principles
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:42, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Barack,
ICANN community sure makes her our principles, the question was asking about who makes INTERNET principles and the closest answer I have to that is the IETF which sets operating standards of the internet globally (Protocol parameters).
Regards
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:12, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Rahul,
Since ICANN is Community just like the IETF, my thoughts are it should define and adopt the principles it beleives in. I agree with you on the second answer.
Regards
On 3/30/15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rahul,
I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they do participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly defines such global principles(better called standards) for the internet. To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely supported by the ICANN community but note that those principles are not binding for any organisation they are mainly recommendations.
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
> > https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14... > > > Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, trusted, > inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses > Internet issues. > > One of the key success factors says: > > Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder > mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while > *encouraging > all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial*. > > Related questions: > > > 1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it > believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations? > > 2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial > principles is through a public consultation process involving community > or > an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working > on > ICANN Accountability should discuss? > > > Kind Regards, > Rahul Sharma > > _______________________________________________ > Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list > Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community > >
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Hi Rahul, Section 1 and 2 of ICANN bylaw states its mission and core values (principles). Its on the website as well: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en Hope that helps Regards On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Rahul Sharma <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
Not really Seun. I meant what are the Internet principles ICANN imbibes or endorses by virtue of it being trans-national institution involved in IG matters. That would also mean defining those principles and listing down these principles on ICANN website. Like NETMundial listed down Internet principles, should ICANN do it too?
Hope this is clear now.
Regards, Rahul Sharma
On 30 March 2015 at 12:55, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Sure ICANN does adopts such general Internet principals and that's why it has an increasing multistakeholder community. I guess the second question has been answered in that context.
However I presume you are trying to make a point; is there any specific aspect of the principles you listed that you think ICANN(and it's community) is not exhibiting or can improve on?
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 08:16, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Barrack,
Thank you for your inputs. When I said Internet Principles, I meant principles such as promoting open architecture, protection of intermediaries, preserving human rights, IG process principles, promoting open standards, privacy, diversity, security and stability etc..
Please refer set of Internet principles endorsed by NETMundial: https://www.netmundial.org/principles
These are over-arching principles, that go beyond technical standards adopted by IETF. In this context, I again post my questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether decision of endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision unknown to community? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Regards, Rahul Sharma
On 30 March 2015 at 11:15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Edit: her our principles = her own principles
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:42, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Barack,
ICANN community sure makes her our principles, the question was asking about who makes INTERNET principles and the closest answer I have to that is the IETF which sets operating standards of the internet globally (Protocol parameters).
Regards
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:12, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Rahul,
Since ICANN is Community just like the IETF, my thoughts are it should define and adopt the principles it beleives in. I agree with you on the second answer.
Regards
On 3/30/15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Rahul, > > I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they do > participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly defines > such global principles(better called standards) for the internet. > To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely supported by > the ICANN community but note that those principles are not binding for any > organisation they are mainly recommendations. > > Cheers! > > sent from Google nexus 4 > kindly excuse brevity and typos. > On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14... >> >> >> Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, trusted, >> inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses >> Internet issues. >> >> One of the key success factors says: >> >> Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder >> mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while >> *encouraging >> all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial*. >> >> Related questions: >> >> >> 1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it >> believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations? >> >> 2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial >> principles is through a public consultation process involving community >> or >> an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working >> on >> ICANN Accountability should discuss? >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Rahul Sharma >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list >> Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community >> >> >
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Seun, these principles are up for discussion since the CCWG is contemplating changes to ICANN's Mission Statement and Core Values to enhance accountability. @Rahul, legitimate question on NetMundial principles, although is your objection on the principles themselves or on the fact that these were articulated through the NetMundial process? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rahul,
Section 1 and 2 of ICANN bylaw states its mission and core values (principles). Its on the website as well: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en
Hope that helps
Regards
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Rahul Sharma <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
Not really Seun. I meant what are the Internet principles ICANN imbibes or endorses by virtue of it being trans-national institution involved in IG matters. That would also mean defining those principles and listing down these principles on ICANN website. Like NETMundial listed down Internet principles, should ICANN do it too?
Hope this is clear now.
Regards, Rahul Sharma
On 30 March 2015 at 12:55, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Sure ICANN does adopts such general Internet principals and that's why it has an increasing multistakeholder community. I guess the second question has been answered in that context.
However I presume you are trying to make a point; is there any specific aspect of the principles you listed that you think ICANN(and it's community) is not exhibiting or can improve on?
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 08:16, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Barrack,
Thank you for your inputs. When I said Internet Principles, I meant principles such as promoting open architecture, protection of intermediaries, preserving human rights, IG process principles, promoting open standards, privacy, diversity, security and stability etc..
Please refer set of Internet principles endorsed by NETMundial: https://www.netmundial.org/principles
These are over-arching principles, that go beyond technical standards adopted by IETF. In this context, I again post my questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether decision of endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision unknown to community? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Regards, Rahul Sharma
On 30 March 2015 at 11:15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Edit: her our principles = her own principles
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:42, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Barack,
ICANN community sure makes her our principles, the question was asking about who makes INTERNET principles and the closest answer I have to that is the IETF which sets operating standards of the internet globally (Protocol parameters).
Regards
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:12, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Seun and Rahul, > > Since ICANN is Community just like the IETF, my thoughts are it > should > define and adopt the principles it beleives in. I agree with you on > the second answer. > > Regards > > On 3/30/15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Rahul, > > > > I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they do > > participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly > defines > > such global principles(better called standards) for the internet. > > To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely > supported by > > the ICANN community but note that those principles are not binding > for any > > organisation they are mainly recommendations. > > > > Cheers! > > > > sent from Google nexus 4 > > kindly excuse brevity and typos. > > On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14... > >> > >> > >> Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, > trusted, > >> inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that > addresses > >> Internet issues. > >> > >> One of the key success factors says: > >> > >> Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in > multistakeholder > >> mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem > while > >> *encouraging > >> all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at > NETmundial*. > >> > >> Related questions: > >> > >> > >> 1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet > Principles it > >> believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations? > >> > >> 2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial > >> principles is through a public consultation process involving > community > >> or > >> an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group > working > >> on > >> ICANN Accountability should discuss? > >> > >> > >> Kind Regards, > >> Rahul Sharma > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list > >> Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org > >> > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community > >> > >> > > > > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > +254721325277 > +254-20-2498789 > Skype: barrack.otieno > http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ >
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Hi Arun, Neither :) I just want to understand if NETMundial principles, that are endorsed by ICANN, can be seen as Internet principles of ICANN, or is ICANN going to come up with its own set of Internet principles? Best Regards, Rahul Sharma On 30 March 2015 at 14:55, Arun Sukumar <arun.sukumar@nludelhi.ac.in> wrote:
Seun, these principles are up for discussion since the CCWG is contemplating changes to ICANN's Mission Statement and Core Values to enhance accountability.
@Rahul, legitimate question on NetMundial principles, although is your objection on the principles themselves or on the fact that these were articulated through the NetMundial process?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rahul,
Section 1 and 2 of ICANN bylaw states its mission and core values (principles). Its on the website as well: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en
Hope that helps
Regards
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Rahul Sharma <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
Not really Seun. I meant what are the Internet principles ICANN imbibes or endorses by virtue of it being trans-national institution involved in IG matters. That would also mean defining those principles and listing down these principles on ICANN website. Like NETMundial listed down Internet principles, should ICANN do it too?
Hope this is clear now.
Regards, Rahul Sharma
On 30 March 2015 at 12:55, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Sure ICANN does adopts such general Internet principals and that's why it has an increasing multistakeholder community. I guess the second question has been answered in that context.
However I presume you are trying to make a point; is there any specific aspect of the principles you listed that you think ICANN(and it's community) is not exhibiting or can improve on?
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 08:16, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Seun and Barrack,
Thank you for your inputs. When I said Internet Principles, I meant principles such as promoting open architecture, protection of intermediaries, preserving human rights, IG process principles, promoting open standards, privacy, diversity, security and stability etc..
Please refer set of Internet principles endorsed by NETMundial: https://www.netmundial.org/principles
These are over-arching principles, that go beyond technical standards adopted by IETF. In this context, I again post my questions:
1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
2. Are group members aware whether decision of endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision unknown to community? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
Regards, Rahul Sharma
On 30 March 2015 at 11:15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Edit: her our principles = her own principles
Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 30 Mar 2015 06:42, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Barack, > > ICANN community sure makes her our principles, the question was > asking about who makes INTERNET principles and the closest answer I have to > that is the IETF which sets operating standards of the internet globally > (Protocol parameters). > > Regards > > sent from Google nexus 4 > kindly excuse brevity and typos. > On 30 Mar 2015 06:12, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Seun and Rahul, >> >> Since ICANN is Community just like the IETF, my thoughts are it >> should >> define and adopt the principles it beleives in. I agree with you on >> the second answer. >> >> Regards >> >> On 3/30/15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi Rahul, >> > >> > I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they >> do >> > participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly >> defines >> > such global principles(better called standards) for the internet. >> > To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely >> supported by >> > the ICANN community but note that those principles are not >> binding for any >> > organisation they are mainly recommendations. >> > >> > Cheers! >> > >> > sent from Google nexus 4 >> > kindly excuse brevity and typos. >> > On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14... >> >> >> >> >> >> Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, >> trusted, >> >> inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that >> addresses >> >> Internet issues. >> >> >> >> One of the key success factors says: >> >> >> >> Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in >> multistakeholder >> >> mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem >> while >> >> *encouraging >> >> all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at >> NETmundial*. >> >> >> >> Related questions: >> >> >> >> >> >> 1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet >> Principles it >> >> believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations? >> >> >> >> 2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial >> >> principles is through a public consultation process involving >> community >> >> or >> >> an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group >> working >> >> on >> >> ICANN Accountability should discuss? >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Rahul Sharma >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list >> >> Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org >> >> >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> Barrack O. Otieno >> +254721325277 >> +254-20-2498789 >> Skype: barrack.otieno >> http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ >> >
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Adding the endorsement of NetMundial principles to the Strat Plan is staff driven, not yet fully supported by the ICANN community. this should be referred to the CCWG-IG, not debated in either IANA or Accountability WGs. We should consider this aspirational on the part of ICANN staff. I appreciate your pointing this out, Rahul. Sent from my iPad
On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Rahul Sharma <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14...
Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, trusted, inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses Internet issues.
One of the key success factors says:
Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while encouraging all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial.
Related questions:
Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
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Generally speaking, "staff driven" means to the community "thoroughly discredited", never mind that aspirations from staff are just that, asprirations. I do not wonder how this slipped past the Board, it probably probably was part of the consent agenda, but the sheer audacity of it makes it belong to CCWG-Accountability, by default. Substance can of course be discussed at IG or wherever, as well. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 6
On Mar 30, 2015, at 15:37, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> wrote:
Adding the endorsement of NetMundial principles to the Strat Plan is staff driven, not yet fully supported by the ICANN community. this should be referred to the CCWG-IG, not debated in either IANA or Accountability WGs. We should consider this aspirational on the part of ICANN staff.
I appreciate your pointing this out, Rahul.
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Rahul Sharma <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14...
Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, trusted, inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses Internet issues.
One of the key success factors says:
Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while encouraging all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial.
Related questions:
Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
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I think the questions for the CCWG are as follows. [Note this is not a question on the substance of the NetMundial Principles, NetMundial Initiative, or anything else; it’s a question of process and decision-making.] If we look back to the Montevideo Statement, the NetMundial Principles, and the multitude of MOUs signed by ICANN with various governments and organizations… 1. Should the ICANN CEO have the ability to unilaterally enter into agreements or Memoranda of Understanding (MOUs) with governments or governmental bodies? 2. Should the ICANN CEO have the ability to unilaterally enter into agreements or Memoranda of Understanding (MOUs) with industry groups and organizations (such as the so-called I* organizations)? 3. Should the ICANN community have the ability to participate in, or comment on, any such deliberations before the CEO commits the organization (and the community) to a new agreement or obligations? 4. Should the community be the driver of any such external engagement, or do we want future CEOs leading the charge? 5. How do we ensure the results we want and expect? Obviously a CEO has certain responsibilities for running the organization and creating an environment within which the community can do our bottom-up, consensus-based policy development work. Those responsibilities will require a certain degree of latitude in operational agreements, service contracts, etc. I’m thinking more about external-facing / political agreements (such as the NetMundial Initiative) where ICANN’s staff resources, financial resources and “brand” are committed to an external effort without the concurrence or direction of the ICANN community. Regards, Keith From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Dr Eberhard W Lisse Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:55 AM To: CCWG Accountability Cc: ccTLD Community List; Lisse Eberhard; ccNSO Members; cctldworld@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Internet Principles by ICANN in Strategic Plan Generally speaking, "staff driven" means to the community "thoroughly discredited", never mind that aspirations from staff are just that, asprirations. I do not wonder how this slipped past the Board, it probably probably was part of the consent agenda, but the sheer audacity of it makes it belong to CCWG-Accountability, by default. Substance can of course be discussed at IG or wherever, as well. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 6 On Mar 30, 2015, at 15:37, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> wrote: Adding the endorsement of NetMundial principles to the Strat Plan is staff driven, not yet fully supported by the ICANN community. this should be referred to the CCWG-IG, not debated in either IANA or Accountability WGs. We should consider this aspirational on the part of ICANN staff. I appreciate your pointing this out, Rahul. Sent from my iPad On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Rahul Sharma <wisdom.stoic@gmail.com<mailto:wisdom.stoic@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14... Page 22, Section 4.3 Participate in the evolution of a global, trusted, inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that addresses Internet issues. One of the key success factors says: Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in multistakeholder mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem while encouraging all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at NETmundial. Related questions: 1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations? 2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving community or an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss? Kind Regards, Rahul Sharma _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
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