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To me, the key sentence is a fair statement: "ICANN has made significant progress in several key areas, but most participants agree that important work remains to increase institutional confidence through implementing effective processes that will enable: long term stability; accountability; responsiveness; continued private sector leadership, stakeholder participation; increased contract compliance; and enhanced competition." I would be interested to hear what others think, especially those outside the U.S. who have an understandable desire to see ICANN out from under U.S. Gov't oversight. Beau Brendler -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:01 PM To: ga@gnso.icann.org Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: [At-Large] NTIA JPA Mid-Term Review Statement http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/ICANN_JPA_080402.html ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org *** Scanned
I, too, thought that that first sentence was fair. As a non-US person, I see it that ICANN still needs to be reporting to *some* body until those improvements as noted are much further along. So, who should it be reporting to? I heard this discussed several times in India and it didn't seem that anybody else had any better idea as to which governing body would be the best for this. They all have skeletons in their closets. So, I guess for me anyways, it's a case of "Better the Devil you know than the one you don't". Just one opinion of many, I am sure. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Brendler, Beau Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:22 PM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] NTIA JPA Mid-Term Review Statement To me, the key sentence is a fair statement: "ICANN has made significant progress in several key areas, but most participants agree that important work remains to increase institutional confidence through implementing effective processes that will enable: long term stability; accountability; responsiveness; continued private sector leadership, stakeholder participation; increased contract compliance; and enhanced competition." I would be interested to hear what others think, especially those outside the U.S. who have an understandable desire to see ICANN out from under U.S. Gov't oversight. Beau Brendler -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:01 PM To: ga@gnso.icann.org Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: [At-Large] NTIA JPA Mid-Term Review Statement http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/ICANN_JPA_080402.html ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org *** Scanned _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
I would be interested to hear what others think, especially those outside the U.S. who have an understandable desire to see ICANN out from under U.S. Gov't oversight.
Honestly, anyone who's the least bit surprised by this outcome hasn't been paying attention. ICANN still has a vast distance to travel before it would be reasonable to consider cutting it loose as a free floating NGO. And for a variety of reasons, even if it were reasonable to consider, it probably won't ever happen. I get the impression that despite the formal protests, a lot of people are relieved that ICANN will continue to have soem adult supervision. R's, John
Hi Beau The bit that annoyed and frustrated me was this - Furthermore, NTIA remains fully committed to the 2005 U.S. Principles on the Internet's Domain Name and Addressing System. So - no changes from June 2005. We all just wasted our time. They will never let ICANN go - it has to get up and walk out. Jacqueline -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:22 PM To: "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] NTIA JPA Mid-Term Review Statement
To me, the key sentence is a fair statement: "ICANN has made significant progress in several key areas, but most participants agree that important work remains to increase institutional confidence through implementing effective processes that will enable: long term stability; accountability; responsiveness; continued private sector leadership, stakeholder participation; increased contract compliance; and enhanced competition."
I would be interested to hear what others think, especially those outside the U.S. who have an understandable desire to see ICANN out from under U.S. Gov't oversight.
Beau Brendler
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That's interesting..I blew right past the reference to the 2005 principles until Danny Younger called my attention to it and I looked it up -- I assume you mean, "The United States Government intends to preserve the security and stability of the Internet's Domain Name and Addressing System (DNS)." The reference would appear to be the NTIA's assessment of its confidence in the current ICANN configuration, yes? Maybe we should make it an ALAC priority, and maybe even bring in some other people, to suggest a "roadmap" for ICANN to get where it needs to be. -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:52 PM To: Brendler, Beau; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] NTIA JPA Mid-Term Review Statement Hi Beau The bit that annoyed and frustrated me was this - Furthermore, NTIA remains fully committed to the 2005 U.S. Principles on the Internet's Domain Name and Addressing System. So - no changes from June 2005. We all just wasted our time. They will never let ICANN go - it has to get up and walk out. Jacqueline -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:22 PM To: "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] NTIA JPA Mid-Term Review Statement
To me, the key sentence is a fair statement: "ICANN has made significant progress in several key areas, but most participants agree
that important work remains to increase institutional confidence through implementing effective processes that will enable: long term stability; accountability; responsiveness; continued private sector leadership, stakeholder participation; increased contract compliance; and enhanced competition."
I would be interested to hear what others think, especially those outside the U.S. who have an understandable desire to see ICANN out from under U.S. Gov't oversight.
Beau Brendler
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I didn't read this "announcement" as announcing much at all. I wouldn't be too quick to read much into it. As far as whether ICANN ever will be privatized, remember that the document that started us on this process was a 1996 publication of the Clinton Administration. Clinton started the ball rolling, but left it to the next administration, Bush, to complete. When the JPA was agreed in 2006, to resolve in 2009, Bush, in turn, effectively passed the task to the next administration, McCain/Clinton/Obama, to complete. I don't think it's realistic to expect that new administration, whoever is leading it, six months into its term in office, to privatize ICANN completely in September, 2009. "Giving away the Internet," which is what it will be called by ICANN's political opponents here in the U.S., is politically risky. The understandable inclination of U.S. politicians, even those who might agree with the concept of privatizing these global resources, is to delay, and leave it to someone else to finally make it happen. Bret
Hi Beau The statement from 2005 is here - http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/usdnsprinciples_06302005.htm and the bit that was problematic in WSIS was this "As such, the United States is committed to taking no action that would have the potential to adversely impact the effective and efficient operation of the DNS and will therefore maintain its historic role in authorizing changes or modifications to the authoritative root zone file." and this "The United States will continue to provide oversight so that ICANN maintains its focus and meets its core technical mission. " So - no independent ICANN. Roadmap or no roadmap, the USG is the driver. Jacqueline -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:57 PM To: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>; "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: RE: [At-Large] NTIA JPA Mid-Term Review Statement
That's interesting..I blew right past the reference to the 2005 principles until Danny Younger called my attention to it and I looked it up -- I assume you mean, "The United States Government intends to preserve the security and stability of the Internet's Domain Name and Addressing System (DNS)." The reference would appear to be the NTIA's assessment of its confidence in the current ICANN configuration, yes? Maybe we should make it an ALAC priority, and maybe even bring in some other people, to suggest a "roadmap" for ICANN to get where it needs to be.
-----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:52 PM To: Brendler, Beau; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] NTIA JPA Mid-Term Review Statement
Hi Beau The bit that annoyed and frustrated me was this - Furthermore, NTIA remains fully committed to the 2005 U.S. Principles on the Internet's Domain Name and Addressing System.
So - no changes from June 2005. We all just wasted our time. They will never let ICANN go - it has to get up and walk out.
Jacqueline
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To me, the key sentence is a fair statement: "ICANN has made significant progress in several key areas, but most participants agree
that important work remains to increase institutional confidence through implementing effective processes that will enable: long term stability; accountability; responsiveness; continued private sector leadership, stakeholder participation; increased contract compliance; and enhanced competition."
I would be interested to hear what others think, especially those outside the U.S. who have an understandable desire to see ICANN out from under U.S. Gov't oversight.
Beau Brendler
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Why do all of these announcements and such include things like the following. the recognition that ICANN is the appropriate technical coordinator of the Internet DNS. when ICANN does not stick to doing this and instead gets into areas such as examining business plans when a new TLD is proposed? ICANN has made significant progress in several key areas, when no one can really point to several key areas in which progress has been made? And then they write as if they have confidence in the following; long term stability; when ICANN has not implemented much of a long-term strategy so far? accountability; when ICANN has not held anyone accountable before? and when ICANN BoD and staff are not held accountable? responsiveness; when ICANN takes years to respond to any issue? continued private sector leadership, when ICANN defines this as doing whatever businesses like Verisign tell them to do? stakeholder participation; when ICANN defines stakeholders as only large companies, ISPs, and registries and not as lowly domain holders and average users? increased contract compliance; when ICANN folds on contracts anytime they are threatened with a lawsuit? See the Verisign lawsuit for an example. and enhanced competition. when ICANN does everything they can to assure their is no real competition in namespace? Chris McElroy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> To: <ga@gnso.icann.org> Cc: "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: [At-Large] NTIA JPA Mid-Term Review Statement
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