I have just spoke with Jacqueline, and she feels that having all topics within around 90 minutes, may not be feasible and try to focus on 2 or 3 most important topics to discuss with the Board. I think having focused dialogue is a very good idea, but the challenge remain as to which 2 or 3 points are "the most important things" given so many important policy and other issues all around. I hope we can discuss this in the evening today. izumi 2007/10/30, Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com>:

Based on feedback from RALO members, I'd like to suggest that we add "At-Large Summit" as a separate item -- particularly since that's proposed as a way to make ALAC's input more than the views of just 15 individuals.

Perhaps this item fits in under GNSO improvements, since it's also talking about making structures more effective.

I'd recommend inviting Evan to present the proposals he has helped to spearhead.

Thanks, --Wendy

Izumi AIZU wrote:

...

Here is the draft plan prepared by Annette, Alan, Wendy, Beau and Izumi this morning.

Please read them carefully, and if your name is listed, then you are assigned a task for that.Don't miss it!!

If you have additional topics to be discussed or any suggestions on how to operate this meeting, please send them to this list as soon as possible. We like to let ALL members of ALAC to speak up, but be mindful for the time allocations.

Jacqueline to Chair the meeting, Izumi assist Jacqueline as time-keeper

Introduction – Jacqueline Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members New members introduction - what they expect to do RALO-elect ALAC members and NomCom-select ALAC members to say a few words, 2 min max [10 - 15 min?]

ALAC in Transition- Veronica/Cheryl – 3 min max Report on – One day Workshop

Policy Areas – share ALAC views*

*"ALAC" here means the collective voices with ALS and RALO community, not only 15-members.

Followings are the list of topics and "speakers" who are responsible to prepare the draft sentences, hopefully in one or two paragraphs max this afternoon, circulate them online – to the open list – and the compile/edit them.

They will be the speakers on the subject at the meeting to introduce them. If other members have additional comments, dissenting opinions, they are free to add – within limited timeframe. The Board may ask questions to us, or we may ask their opinions as a two-way dialogue.

1. New gTLDs - Wendy and Beau 2. gNSO improvement – Alan 3. Domain tasting, Domain name front running - Robert 4. geoTLDs - Annette 5. WHOIS – Wendy 6. IDNs - Hong – Annette 7. IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau 9. ccNSO issue area- Siavash 10. ALAC Review – Robert

ALAC Operations issues 1. Bylaws changes, outreach plan - Alice and Mohamed ? (Robert to contact them) 2. Budgets- Cheryl and Annette 3. introducing the Secretariat (to be discussed tonight on how to)

Thanks,

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jam@jacquelinemorris.com wrote:

the time is short, and this meeting is the opportunity to have a 2 way dialogue with the 3-4 board members that we will meet. So I think that we need to shorten the list considerably. 3 or 4 topics that are timesensitive and board-related would be good so that we can have some indepth discussions. The Summit is most certainly a time-sensitive issue since we are looking towards specific milestones to coincide with specific events in the near future.

It won't require much time. If there are questions that can't be answered quickly I can collect them and organizers will follow up in email. - Evan

Sorry I sent my response without completing it. I'd like to add the following with the respect to the 'task' I've been assigned as ccNSO liaison: The area of greatest activity has been IDN ccTLDs and I made my share of contributions to the IDN paper Hong has prepared. I believe we should support the fast-track initiative of ccNSO-GAC. Regarding Geographic Areas report, I believe that the traditional division of regions is archaic at least for Internet purposes and ICANN should set up a task force to study the matter in greater depth. Regards, Siavash

Here are some comments: 'ALAC in transition' seems to me should be the obvious theme of the meeting. Parceling out the time into microscopic segments will not allow any in-depth discussion. This is the longest meeting with the Board ALAC has had at least in the last two years and the opportunity should not be missed. So I suggest that instead of giving brief positions on a large number of issues, we allow half of the time to be spent on brainstorming with the Board about the future of ALAC and at-large representation. Other comments between the lines:

...

Jacqueline to Chair the meeting, Izumi assist Jacqueline as time-keeper

Do we need a time-keeper? Shouldn't the Chair do that? In any case the time-keeper should apply the same standards to himself/herself.

...

Introduction – Jacqueline Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members New members introduction - what they expect to do RALO-elect ALAC members and NomCom-select ALAC members to say a few words, 2 min max [10 - 15 min?]

Why are we making this distinction between RALO-elect and NomCim select specially if they're allowed equal time?

...

ALAC in Transition- Veronica/Cheryl – 3 min max Report on – One day Workshop

I think this the most important part. Time should also be given to whoever else thinks has something to contribute.

...

Policy Areas – share ALAC views*

*"ALAC" here means the collective voices with ALS and RALO community, not only 15-members.

ALAC has a well-defined legal definition; maybe you should change the title to "At-Large Views".

...

Followings are the list of topics and "speakers" who are responsible to prepare the draft sentences, hopefully in one or two paragraphs max this afternoon, circulate them online – to the open list – and the compile/edit them.

They will be the speakers on the subject at the meeting to introduce them. If other members have additional comments, dissenting opinions, they are free to add – within limited timeframe. The Board may ask questions to us, or we may ask their opinions as a two-way dialogue.

1. New gTLDs - Wendy and Beau 2. gNSO improvement – Alan 3. Domain tasting, Domain name front running - Robert 4. geoTLDs - Annette 5. WHOIS – Wendy 6. IDNs - Hong – Annette 7. IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau 9. ccNSO issue area- Siavash 10. ALAC Review – Robert

ALAC Operations issues 1. Bylaws changes, outreach plan - Alice and Mohamed ? (Robert to contact them) 2. Budgets- Cheryl and Annette 3. introducing the Secretariat (to be discussed tonight on how to)

Thanks,

izumi --

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I think that its precisely because we have a decent amount of time with the Board that we should try to cover as many topics as possible so that they can hear the At-Large (NOT ALAC) POV on matters. I believe a time-keeper is absolutely necessary so that unending, protracted discussions don't happen again like in San Juan. That was a total fiasco and I don't want to see that again. Darlene ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of jam@jacquelinemorris.com Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 4:00 PM To: ALAC Siavash; Izumi AIZU Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLargecommunity meeting with ICANN Board I agree wholeheartedly - direction, vision should be a major focus. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile. -----Original Message----- From: "Siavash Shahshahani" <shahshah@irnic.ir> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:03:10 To:"Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org> Cc:At-Large <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge community meeting with ICANN Board Here are some comments: 'ALAC in transition' seems to me should be the obvious theme of the meeting. Parceling out the time into microscopic segments will not allow any in-depth discussion. This is the longest meeting with the Board ALAC has had at least in the last two years and the opportunity should not be missed. So I suggest that instead of giving brief positions on a large number of issues, we allow half of the time to be spent on brainstorming with the Board about the future of ALAC and at-large representation. Other comments between the lines:

Jacqueline to Chair the meeting, Izumi assist Jacqueline as time-keeper

Do we need a time-keeper? Shouldn't the Chair do that? In any case the time-keeper should apply the same standards to himself/herself.

Introduction - Jacqueline Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members New members introduction - what they expect to do RALO-elect ALAC members and NomCom-select ALAC members to say a few words, 2 min max [10 - 15 min?]

Why are we making this distinction between RALO-elect and NomCim select specially if they're allowed equal time?

ALAC in Transition- Veronica/Cheryl - 3 min max Report on - One day Workshop

I think this the most important part. Time should also be given to whoever else thinks has something to contribute.

Policy Areas - share ALAC views*

*"ALAC" here means the collective voices with ALS and RALO community, not only 15-members.

ALAC has a well-defined legal definition; maybe you should change the title to "At-Large Views".

Followings are the list of topics and "speakers" who are responsible to prepare the draft sentences, hopefully in one or two paragraphs max this afternoon, circulate them online - to the open list - and the compile/edit them.

They will be the speakers on the subject at the meeting to introduce them. If other members have additional comments, dissenting opinions, they are free to add - within limited timeframe. The Board may ask questions to us, or we may ask their opinions as a two-way dialogue.

1. New gTLDs - Wendy and Beau 2. gNSO improvement - Alan 3. Domain tasting, Domain name front running - Robert 4. geoTLDs - Annette 5. WHOIS - Wendy 6. IDNs - Hong - Annette 7. IPV4 and IPV6 - Izumi 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau 9. ccNSO issue area- Siavash 10. ALAC Review - Robert

ALAC Operations issues 1. Bylaws changes, outreach plan - Alice and Mohamed ? (Robert to contact them) 2. Budgets- Cheryl and Annette 3. introducing the Secretariat (to be discussed tonight on how to)

Thanks,

izumi --

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Hi I've suggested cutting it to 6 items for discussion, and agree with Siavash that we should include a visioning issue as well. Everybody can participate in the discussion of the issues, but if we make an agenda for everyone to speak on an issue of their own, it will be a very superficial discussion, and I repeat, I think we will lose the value of the time with Board members. New gTLDs is going on now... I suggest that members with comments to make should make them NOW to the floor. -----Original Message----- From: Izumi AIZU [mailto:iza@anr.org] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 13:05 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: At-Large Global List; secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org; bbeirm@tagorg.com; Danny Younger Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Thanks for comments so far. I think even if we do not have time to cover all policy issues at the meeting with the Board, it is still worth to try to come up with "update" on policy areas and possible ALAC positions for the rest of the week and more. I also think if you only limit to three topics, some ALAC members will be totally excluded from participating in the substantive discussion. I hope we will find some good balance. There was no intention to separate RALO-elect and NomCom-select, if I gave that impression, sorry. Sole intention was to make sure every members be introduced adequately. As for time-keeping, sinvce Jaqcueline was not there in the preparatory meeting and also not yeasterday, some member felt it might be helpful for her to assist, and I thus volunteered. Again, if ther is not need for that, fine. izumi 2007/10/30, jam@jacquelinemorris.com <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:

Continuing my comments Should include als and ralo specialists on issues.

2. gNSO improvement – Alan 3. IDNs - Hong, Bilal 7. IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi, Didier 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau, danny

AC Operations issues 1. Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before thye get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl 2. Budget- Cheryl and Annette

Summit - we should wait until the secretariats have had a chance to look at this and discuss. We can do this in the joint meeting later on in theweek. Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device available from bmobile.

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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:01:21 To:At-Large <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge community meeting with ICANN Board

Here is the draft plan prepared by Annette, Alan, Wendy, Beau and Izumi this morning.

Please read them carefully, and if your name is listed, then you are assigned a task for that.Don't miss it!!

If you have additional topics to be discussed or any suggestions on how to operate this meeting, please send them to this list as soon as possible. We like to let ALL members of ALAC to speak up, but be mindful for the time allocations.

Jacqueline to Chair the meeting, Izumi assist Jacqueline as time-keeper

Introduction – Jacqueline Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members New members introduction - what they expect to do RALO-elect ALAC members and NomCom-select ALAC members to say a few words, 2 min max [10 - 15 min?]

ALAC in Transition- Veronica/Cheryl – 3 min max Report on – One day Workshop

Policy Areas – share ALAC views*

*"ALAC" here means the collective voices with ALS and RALO community, not only 15-members.

Followings are the list of topics and "speakers" who are responsible to prepare the draft sentences, hopefully in one or two paragraphs max this afternoon, circulate them online – to the open list – and the compile/edit them.

They will be the speakers on the subject at the meeting to introduce them. If other members have additional comments, dissenting opinions, they are free to add – within limited timeframe. The Board may ask questions to us, or we may ask their opinions as a two-way dialogue.

1. New gTLDs - Wendy and Beau 2. gNSO improvement – Alan 3. Domain tasting, Domain name front running - Robert 4. geoTLDs - Annette 5. WHOIS – Wendy 6. IDNs - Hong – Annette 7. IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau 9. ccNSO issue area- Siavash 10. ALAC Review – Robert

ALAC Operations issues 1. Bylaws changes, outreach plan - Alice and Mohamed ? (Robert to contact them) 2. Budgets- Cheryl and Annette 3. introducing the Secretariat (to be discussed tonight on how to)

Thanks,

izumi --

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OK Here's my take on the agenda now: Introductions – Jacqueline 5 mins - Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members - New members introduction ALAC in Transition- Veronica – Report on – One day Workshop - 5 mins Discussion with Board on the future of ALAC and At Large - 30 mins Policy issues - - gNSO improvement and gTLDs – Alan (5 min + discussion 5 min - total 10 min) - IDNs - Hong, Bilal - 10 min (include IGF, work with GAC and ccNSO) - IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi, Didier - 10 min - Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow -Beau, danny - 10 min - Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before they get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl - 5 mins max - Budget- Cheryl and Annette - 15 mins total This takes us to about 100 min, leaving 20 min for flexibility - e.g. late arrival of Board members(happens a lot as they have to do many meetings) as well as some flexibility to increase discussion time on issues that may turn out to need more time. -----Original Message----- From: Bret Fausett [mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 14:19 To: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board I agree with this as well. A significant portion of the meeting should be open for a more flexible discussion of the status and future of the ALAC. Bret

agree with Siavash that we should include a visioning issue as well.

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Darlene I have no idea to what you refer as being railroaded, the first draft as sent had NO RALO member participation at all. I particularly added ALS names to presentations for the meeting with the BOARD tomorrow (if you notice, Didier, Danny have been added, also my first suggestion that we include issue specialists from the secretariats and ALSes!) – this is the agenda for that meeting, not for the joint meeting today at 19:00. I also have no idea where you got the idea that the Summit was dismissed – Sebastien has sent notes on that, and in the briefing I got today, I was told that the Secretariats wanted to discuss it before presenting it - so the compromise suggestion is there to have a general intro to the Summit proposal, with space to present it fully when the Secretariats say OK. I also do not appreciate the aggressive tone at all. From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 15:31 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Bret Fausett; At-Large Global List Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Jacqueline, This is the first "joint" meeting of the ALAC and Secretariats and so far the Secrtariats have been completely left out. In fact, when we put something forward it is just dismissed (Summit). If this session is just going to be the Secretariats being railroaded by ALAC then I want nothing to do with it. Somehow this has gone from a joint meeting to a meeting discussing the meeting tomorrow. Fine, but do try to include what the "other half" wants discussed, too, K? Elsewise its a bit misleading, don't you think? Yesterday it was discussed and agreed that we would be presenting on the Summit and now it seems to be tossed out of the window by one person. I am very against this kind of un-transparent process. Sorry to be negative but I was SO happy at the end of yesterday, thinking that maybe some of the BS was behind us and that maybe we could all be productive together and now I see it all starting again. This is just getting depressing. Darlene _____ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 5:30 PM To: 'Bret Fausett'; 'At-Large Global List' Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board OK Here's my take on the agenda now: Introductions – Jacqueline 5 mins - Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members - New members introduction ALAC in Transition- Veronica – Report on – One day Workshop - 5 mins Discussion with Board on the future of ALAC and At Large - 30 mins Policy issues - - gNSO improvement and gTLDs – Alan (5 min + discussion 5 min - total 10 min) - IDNs - Hong, Bilal - 10 min (include IGF, work with GAC and ccNSO) - IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi, Didier - 10 min - Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow -Beau, danny - 10 min - Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before they get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl - 5 mins max - Budget- Cheryl and Annette - 15 mins total This takes us to about 100 min, leaving 20 min for flexibility - e.g. late arrival of Board members(happens a lot as they have to do many meetings) as well as some flexibility to increase discussion time on issues that may turn out to need more time. -----Original Message----- From: Bret Fausett [HYPERLINK "mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro"mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 14:19 To: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board I agree with this as well. A significant portion of the meeting should be open for a more flexible discussion of the status and future of the ALAC. Bret

agree with Siavash that we should include a visioning issue as well.

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No – the agenda that we have been discussing all day is the one for TOMORROW. Tonight is the joint meeting, with one item added which is the agenda for TOMORROW approval - the rest of the agenda for tonight remains the same AFAIK. This addition was part of the briefing I got this AM. I was also told that the Summit wasn’t ready for discussion with the Board. As this first information I got was corrected by you and Sebastien, it’s on the draft agenda for the BO that was updated on the wiki per the request from Hong. From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 17:16 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Bret Fausett; At-Large Global List Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Ummm... Jacqueline, Please refer to your agenda. It is tonight's meeting that was supposed to be a joint ALAC/Secretariats meeting, not tomorrow's. That is what I was refering to. This joint meeting seems to have been replaced by a planning meeting for tomorrow. So be it. I am fexible enough to bow out to the more important items. I got the idea that the Summit was being dismissed from tomorrows agenda by your postings. I can't see how they could be taken any differently. Darlene _____ From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 7:10 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; 'Bret Fausett'; 'At-Large Global List' Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Darlene I have no idea to what you refer as being railroaded, the first draft as sent had NO RALO member participation at all. I particularly added ALS names to presentations for the meeting with the BOARD tomorrow (if you notice, Didier, Danny have been added, also my first suggestion that we include issue specialists from the secretariats and ALSes!) – this is the agenda for that meeting, not for the joint meeting today at 19:00. I also have no idea where you got the idea that the Summit was dismissed – Sebastien has sent notes on that, and in the briefing I got today, I was told that the Secretariats wanted to discuss it before presenting it - so the compromise suggestion is there to have a general intro to the Summit proposal, with space to present it fully when the Secretariats say OK. I also do not appreciate the aggressive tone at all. From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 15:31 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Bret Fausett; At-Large Global List Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Jacqueline, This is the first "joint" meeting of the ALAC and Secretariats and so far the Secrtariats have been completely left out. In fact, when we put something forward it is just dismissed (Summit). If this session is just going to be the Secretariats being railroaded by ALAC then I want nothing to do with it. Somehow this has gone from a joint meeting to a meeting discussing the meeting tomorrow. Fine, but do try to include what the "other half" wants discussed, too, K? Elsewise its a bit misleading, don't you think? Yesterday it was discussed and agreed that we would be presenting on the Summit and now it seems to be tossed out of the window by one person. I am very against this kind of un-transparent process. Sorry to be negative but I was SO happy at the end of yesterday, thinking that maybe some of the BS was behind us and that maybe we could all be productive together and now I see it all starting again. This is just getting depressing. Darlene _____ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 5:30 PM To: 'Bret Fausett'; 'At-Large Global List' Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board OK Here's my take on the agenda now: Introductions – Jacqueline 5 mins - Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members - New members introduction ALAC in Transition- Veronica – Report on – One day Workshop - 5 mins Discussion with Board on the future of ALAC and At Large - 30 mins Policy issues - - gNSO improvement and gTLDs – Alan (5 min + discussion 5 min - total 10 min) - IDNs - Hong, Bilal - 10 min (include IGF, work with GAC and ccNSO) - IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi, Didier - 10 min - Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow -Beau, danny - 10 min - Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before they get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl - 5 mins max - Budget- Cheryl and Annette - 15 mins total This takes us to about 100 min, leaving 20 min for flexibility - e.g. late arrival of Board members(happens a lot as they have to do many meetings) as well as some flexibility to increase discussion time on issues that may turn out to need more time. -----Original Message----- From: Bret Fausett [HYPERLINK "mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro"mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 14:19 To: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board I agree with this as well. A significant portion of the meeting should be open for a more flexible discussion of the status and future of the ALAC. Bret

agree with Siavash that we should include a visioning issue as well.

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Sorry if you were offended by my tone. It wasn’t intentional. The agenda has 2 items added that I was informed needed to be on it by the ALAC briefing this AM. Those are the approval of the working group document on gTLDs and the agenda for the meeting tomorrow. If you want them off, that’s OK by me as well. If the Secretariats want to add to the information that was provided to me, please do so. I have to date the minutes posted and the briefing I got today. Some of that was corrected, and I have already several times agreed with you that the original information on the Summit was not correct. So maybe we can leave off that item now. And in the future after the secretariat meetings, I’ll await your briefing if I can’t make the meetings, and not rely on the minutes and ALAC-set -up briefings. From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 17:51 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Bret Fausett; At-Large Global List Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Yes, I realize that the agenda we are discussing is for TOMORROW. And I would appreciate you using a more polite tone, please. The thing is that tonight we only have about an hour and a half (or less) to discuss all that we have been discussing today before Alan has to leave which will leave us with little or no time to discuss what was actually supposed to be discussed tonight. That is my point. You were not told that the Summit wasn't ready for the Board by any Secretariat that I am aware of. Please come to us for your future briefings as we will be more than happy to comply. Thank you, Darlene _____ From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 8:40 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; 'Bret Fausett'; 'At-Large Global List' Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board No – the agenda that we have been discussing all day is the one for TOMORROW. Tonight is the joint meeting, with one item added which is the agenda for TOMORROW approval - the rest of the agenda for tonight remains the same AFAIK. This addition was part of the briefing I got this AM. I was also told that the Summit wasn’t ready for discussion with the Board. As this first information I got was corrected by you and Sebastien, it’s on the draft agenda for the BO that was updated on the wiki per the request from Hong. From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 17:16 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Bret Fausett; At-Large Global List Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Ummm... Jacqueline, Please refer to your agenda. It is tonight's meeting that was supposed to be a joint ALAC/Secretariats meeting, not tomorrow's. That is what I was refering to. This joint meeting seems to have been replaced by a planning meeting for tomorrow. So be it. I am fexible enough to bow out to the more important items. I got the idea that the Summit was being dismissed from tomorrows agenda by your postings. I can't see how they could be taken any differently. Darlene _____ From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 7:10 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; 'Bret Fausett'; 'At-Large Global List' Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Darlene I have no idea to what you refer as being railroaded, the first draft as sent had NO RALO member participation at all. I particularly added ALS names to presentations for the meeting with the BOARD tomorrow (if you notice, Didier, Danny have been added, also my first suggestion that we include issue specialists from the secretariats and ALSes!) – this is the agenda for that meeting, not for the joint meeting today at 19:00. I also have no idea where you got the idea that the Summit was dismissed – Sebastien has sent notes on that, and in the briefing I got today, I was told that the Secretariats wanted to discuss it before presenting it - so the compromise suggestion is there to have a general intro to the Summit proposal, with space to present it fully when the Secretariats say OK. I also do not appreciate the aggressive tone at all. From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 15:31 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Bret Fausett; At-Large Global List Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Jacqueline, This is the first "joint" meeting of the ALAC and Secretariats and so far the Secrtariats have been completely left out. In fact, when we put something forward it is just dismissed (Summit). If this session is just going to be the Secretariats being railroaded by ALAC then I want nothing to do with it. Somehow this has gone from a joint meeting to a meeting discussing the meeting tomorrow. Fine, but do try to include what the "other half" wants discussed, too, K? Elsewise its a bit misleading, don't you think? Yesterday it was discussed and agreed that we would be presenting on the Summit and now it seems to be tossed out of the window by one person. I am very against this kind of un-transparent process. Sorry to be negative but I was SO happy at the end of yesterday, thinking that maybe some of the BS was behind us and that maybe we could all be productive together and now I see it all starting again. This is just getting depressing. Darlene _____ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 5:30 PM To: 'Bret Fausett'; 'At-Large Global List' Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board OK Here's my take on the agenda now: Introductions – Jacqueline 5 mins - Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members - New members introduction ALAC in Transition- Veronica – Report on – One day Workshop - 5 mins Discussion with Board on the future of ALAC and At Large - 30 mins Policy issues - - gNSO improvement and gTLDs – Alan (5 min + discussion 5 min - total 10 min) - IDNs - Hong, Bilal - 10 min (include IGF, work with GAC and ccNSO) - IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi, Didier - 10 min - Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow -Beau, danny - 10 min - Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before they get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl - 5 mins max - Budget- Cheryl and Annette - 15 mins total This takes us to about 100 min, leaving 20 min for flexibility - e.g. late arrival of Board members(happens a lot as they have to do many meetings) as well as some flexibility to increase discussion time on issues that may turn out to need more time. -----Original Message----- From: Bret Fausett [HYPERLINK "mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro"mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 14:19 To: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board I agree with this as well. A significant portion of the meeting should be open for a more flexible discussion of the status and future of the ALAC. Bret

agree with Siavash that we should include a visioning issue as well.

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Hi Evan I went through this with Darlene already. If she can update you, that would be great. -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 17:56 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'Thompson, Darlene'; 'Bret Fausett'; 'At-Large Global List' Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

I was also told that the Summit wasn’t ready for discussion with the Board.

And again we must ask -- from whom are you getting these obviously incorrect briefings? - Evan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02

No I said I already went through the whole discussion that you want to start now with me with Darlene. I most specifically did NOT say that she was the source of the original information. Please don't start misquoting me. -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 05:51 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'Thompson, Darlene'; 'Bret Fausett'; 'At-Large Global List' Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

Hi Evan I went through this with Darlene already. If she can update you, that would be great.

So let me get this straight. To be very specific, you are saying publicly that Darlene was the source of:

...

I was also told that the Summit wasn’t ready for discussion with the Board.

Please confirm this, as I want to get to the bottom of where your misinformation is coming from.

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As a member of APRALO, and also on ALAC from APRALO, I think the Summit is a very good idea itself, in fact the same idea was proposed 2 years ago, I think, by one of our ALSs in AP, Kuo-Wei WU, but unfortunately it did not go through. So even though we have some concern about the location, Paris may not be the easiest place for many AP people, and unless there is good funding support it will not be feasible for most of us, I still think it is a good idea to present it to the Board today, place it in the radar screen, and seek for pragmatic solution. # Originally, ICANN Asia Pacific meeting was officially scheduled to take place NOW, in AP region, but with unclear reasons at least officially, it was postponed into next February, and LA was brought in as the "Plan B". This significantly affected the involvement of AP ALS/RALOs since we postponed our celebration ceremony with ICANN Board and community until the Fall AP region ICANN meeting that was moved to Feb in New Delhi. WE kind of lost momentum while all other RALOs had some sort of visible celebration at ICANN meetings already. best, izumi 2007/10/30, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro>:

On the Summit idea, I think it absolutely needs to be in our discussion. Not as a fully evolved plan, but as something we are seriously considering. In my view, it needs to be no longer than:

"The RALOs have proposed and are discussing the concept of an At Large Summit, which will bring representatives of all the ICANN accredited At Large Structures together in one place to exchange ideas and work together on At Large projects. ICANN brought each of the RALOs together for their formative meetings and signing ceremonies, but now these ALSs from all five regions would like to meet each other and find areas of common interest and common concern. The current plan is to organize the At Large Summit around an existing ICANN meeting, either at the second or third ICANN meeting in 2008."

All we want to do it put the Summit on the Board's radar for next year, so they can account for it in their own planning and budgeting.

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Hi Bret That's cool... It's on the agenda as something like that - a high-level introduction - Evan and Sebastien are down to do the presentation for a couple of minutes. -----Original Message----- From: Bret Fausett [mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 21:28 To: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board On the Summit idea, I think it absolutely needs to be in our discussion. Not as a fully evolved plan, but as something we are seriously considering. In my view, it needs to be no longer than: "The RALOs have proposed and are discussing the concept of an At Large Summit, which will bring representatives of all the ICANN accredited At Large Structures together in one place to exchange ideas and work together on At Large projects. ICANN brought each of the RALOs together for their formative meetings and signing ceremonies, but now these ALSs from all five regions would like to meet each other and find areas of common interest and common concern. The current plan is to organize the At Large Summit around an existing ICANN meeting, either at the second or third ICANN meeting in 2008." All we want to do it put the Summit on the Board's radar for next year, so they can account for it in their own planning and budgeting. -- Bret No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 09:28

Hi Jaq. a group which is delegated by ALAC yesterday meeting which it had a meeting today to prepare for ALAC & ICANN Board meeting tomorrow, and they presented us with a proposal today "an early meeting". i see some major changes on the proposal "speakers" and items, for me i guess the earlier proposal is OK, regarding the time issue we can reduce the time to 5 mins for issues and proprietaries the issues . am sure at 7pm meeting we can agree on the issues and our prioritize our issues . Regards, Mohamed Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

OK Here's my take on the agenda now: Introductions – Jacqueline 5 mins - Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members - New members introduction ALAC in Transition- Veronica – Report on – One day Workshop - 5 mins Discussion with Board on the future of ALAC and At Large - 30 mins Policy issues - - gNSO improvement and gTLDs – Alan (5 min + discussion 5 min - total 10 min) - IDNs - Hong, Bilal - 10 min (include IGF, work with GAC and ccNSO) - IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi, Didier - 10 min - Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow -Beau, danny - 10 min - Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before they get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl - 5 mins max - Budget- Cheryl and Annette - 15 mins total

This takes us to about 100 min, leaving 20 min for flexibility - e.g. late arrival of Board members(happens a lot as they have to do many meetings) as well as some flexibility to increase discussion time on issues that may turn out to need more time.

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I agree with this as well. A significant portion of the meeting should be open for a more flexible discussion of the status and future of the ALAC.

Bret

...

agree with Siavash that we should include a visioning issue as well.

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One background information, which I think may be usefule is, that there was a suggestion yesterday for the meeting with the Borad members to try to provide "advice" on policy issues since ALAC is essentialy an "advisory" role to the Board so the sentiment there was, in my interpretation, let us do the job - which does not mean that we don't have any in-depth dialogue, but rather, that could be a part of the dialogue. The difficulty we faced this morning was, it is not easy to come to a consensus within a short morning meeting on which policy items are more important than the others - so we kind of agreed to throw all items seemingly important that time to the list and listen to the members opinion, in the afternoon online, as well as in the evening if time allows. SO this is not by any means imposing the agenda or even ignoring the previous agenda suggestions, but a a work in progress. If my initial message to the list gave a wrong impression, sorry, but that was not the intention at all. AND, as I see it now, I think we are doing exactly the kind of thing we anticipated earlier in the morning. The only objective is to have a prodcutive meeting with the board. We can think and discuss how best to achieve that with all members ALAC with ALS and RALO. thanks, izumi 2007/10/30, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:

Hi Mohammed

I got an email this morning that sent a proposed agenda, and asked for comments and edits, so obviously I didn't think that this was an agenda fixed in stone. I previously had sent a detailed draft agenda (last week) and some items were included and some left out. Some of what I sent last week I have not suggested be re-integrated.

I am not the only one who thinks that a more in-depth discussion with fewer topics is more useful. There is obviously a difference in what the meeting is seen as.

Generally, the meetings with Board members are there for an in-depth 2 way dialog on issues that are 1) before the Board and we want to make our point before they meet, or 2) that are issues important to at large that have been ignored by the ICANN processes and we want to raise them with the Board as at a higher level, 3) strategic issues relating to the At Large and its position within ICANN. 4) to gauge the Board's reaction to certain issues.

The forum for updating the Board on what we're up to has traditionally been the Public Forum statement.

If we want to change the format, that's fine, but it isn't currently unanimous, as you can see from the discussions.

Also, some of the issues that were proposed by the sub-committee have been dealt with, as 1) ALAC review – ICANN put out a statement recently on this, stating where we are in the process, what the Board has decided etc. 2) Domain tasting – is in a process that we asked for, and we have had recent updates on this. Those for sure would be a waste of time (IMO) to have Board members repeat the material that was recently published.

3) gTLD and GNSO – we have been asked for and have been developing written responses, so why discuss BEFORE we have sent those? We can say – yes, we are nearly ready to send the statement, and look out for it… but that's what we should raise in the forum and workshop…

Jacqueline

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Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board

Hi Jaq.

a group which is delegated by ALAC yesterday meeting which it had a meeting today to prepare for ALAC & ICANN Board meeting tomorrow, and they presented us with a proposal today "an early meeting".

i see some major changes on the proposal "speakers" and items, for me i guess the earlier proposal is OK, regarding the time issue we can reduce the time to 5 mins for issues and proprietaries the issues .

am sure at 7pm meeting we can agree on the issues and our prioritize our issues .

Regards, Mohamed

Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: OK Here's my take on the agenda now: Introductions – Jacqueline 5 mins - Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members - New members introduction ALAC in Transition- Veronica – Report on – One day Workshop - 5 mins Discussion with Board on the future of ALAC and At Large - 30 mins Policy issues - - gNSO improvement and gTLDs – Alan (5 min + discussion 5 min - total 10 min) - IDNs - Hong, Bilal - 10 min (include IGF, work with GAC and ccNSO) - IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi, Didier - 10 min - Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow -Beau, danny - 10 min - Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before they get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl - 5 mins max - Budget- Cheryl and Annette - 15 mins total

This takes us to about 100 min, leaving 20 min for flexibility - e.g. late arrival of Board members(happens a lot as they have to do many meetings) as well as some flexibility to increase discussion time on issues that may turn out to need more time.

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I agree with this as well. A significant portion of the meeting should be open for a more flexible discussion of the status and future of the ALAC.

Bret

agree with Siavash that we should include a visioning issue as well.

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Went out from me to list – Cheryl had issues with email this AM. From: Brendler, Beau [mailto:Brenbe@consumer.org] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 17:18 To: Izumi AIZU; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLargecommunitymeeting with ICANN Board Can I ask a rather annoying question...has Danny distributed the document from the GNSO-liaison mailing list? I haven't seen it. I would guess there would be a lot in there that not all the ALAC will agree with, but I think we have addressed that possible scenario by saying it's OK for the ALAC to say to the board (and/or to the public) that we don't have a consensus on a particular issue, but here are the key concerns. _____ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Izumi AIZU Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 8:12 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLargecommunitymeeting with ICANN Board One background information, which I think may be usefule is, that there was a suggestion yesterday for the meeting with the Borad members to try to provide "advice" on policy issues since ALAC is essentialy an "advisory" role to the Board so the sentiment there was, in my interpretation, let us do the job - which does not mean that we don't have any in-depth dialogue, but rather, that could be a part of the dialogue. The difficulty we faced this morning was, it is not easy to come to a consensus within a short morning meeting on which policy items are more important than the others - so we kind of agreed to throw all items seemingly important that time to the list and listen to the members opinion, in the afternoon online, as well as in the evening if time allows. SO this is not by any means imposing the agenda or even ignoring the previous agenda suggestions, but a a work in progress. If my initial message to the list gave a wrong impression, sorry, but that was not the intention at all. AND, as I see it now, I think we are doing exactly the kind of thing we anticipated earlier in the morning. The only objective is to have a prodcutive meeting with the board. We can think and discuss how best to achieve that with all members ALAC with ALS and RALO. thanks, izumi 2007/10/30, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:

Hi Mohammed

I got an email this morning that sent a proposed agenda, and asked for comments and edits, so obviously I didn't think that this was an agenda fixed in stone. I previously had sent a detailed draft agenda (last week) and some items were included and some left out. Some of what I sent last week I have not suggested be re-integrated.

I am not the only one who thinks that a more in-depth discussion with

topics is more useful. There is obviously a difference in what the meeting is seen as.

Generally, the meetings with Board members are there for an in-depth 2 way dialog on issues that are 1) before the Board and we want to make our point before they meet, or 2) that are issues important to at large that have been ignored by the ICANN processes and we want to raise them with the Board as at a higher level, 3) strategic issues relating to the At Large and its position within ICANN. 4) to gauge the Board's reaction to certain issues.

The forum for updating the Board on what we're up to has traditionally been the Public Forum statement.

If we want to change the format, that's fine, but it isn't currently unanimous, as you can see from the discussions.

Also, some of the issues that were proposed by the sub-committee have been dealt with, as 1) ALAC review – ICANN put out a statement recently on this, stating where we are in the process, what the Board has decided etc. 2) Domain tasting – is in a process that we asked for, and we have had recent updates on this. Those for sure would be a waste of time (IMO) to have Board members repeat the material that was recently published.

3) gTLD and GNSO – we have been asked for and have been developing written responses, so why discuss BEFORE we have sent those? We can say – yes, we are nearly ready to send the statement, and look out for it… but that's what we should raise in the forum and workshop…

Jacqueline

From: Mohamed EL Bashir [HYPERLINK "mailto:admin@isoc.sd"mailto:admin@isoc.sd] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 18:03 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'Bret Fausett'; 'At-Large Global List'

Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board

Hi Jaq.

a group which is delegated by ALAC yesterday meeting which it had a meeting today to prepare for ALAC & ICANN Board meeting tomorrow, and they presented us with a proposal today "an early meeting".

i see some major changes on the proposal "speakers" and items, for me i guess the earlier proposal is OK, regarding the time issue we can reduce the time to 5 mins for issues and proprietaries the issues .

am sure at 7pm meeting we can agree on the issues and our prioritize our issues .

Regards, Mohamed

Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: OK Here's my take on the agenda now: Introductions – Jacqueline 5 mins - Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members - New members introduction ALAC in Transition- Veronica – Report on – One day Workshop - 5 mins Discussion with Board on the future of ALAC and At Large - 30 mins Policy issues - - gNSO improvement and gTLDs – Alan (5 min + discussion 5 min - total 10 min) - IDNs - Hong, Bilal - 10 min (include IGF, work with GAC and ccNSO) - IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi, Didier - 10 min - Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow -Beau, danny

fewer -

10 min - Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before they get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl - 5 mins max - Budget- Cheryl and Annette - 15 mins total

This takes us to about 100 min, leaving 20 min for flexibility - e.g. late arrival of Board members(happens a lot as they have to do many meetings) as well as some flexibility to increase discussion time on issues that may turn out to need more time.

-----Original Message----- From: Bret Fausett [HYPERLINK "mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro"mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 14:19 To: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge communitymeeting with ICANN Board

I agree with this as well. A significant portion of the meeting should be open for a more flexible discussion of the status and future of the ALAC.

Bret

agree with Siavash that we should include a visioning issue as well.

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Izumi,

One background information, which I think may be usefule is, that there was a suggestion yesterday for the meeting with the Borad members to try to provide "advice" on policy issues since ALAC is essentialy an "advisory" role to the Board so the sentiment there was, in my interpretation, let us do the job - which does not mean that we don't have any in-depth dialogue, but rather, that could be a part of the dialogue.

Advice to the Board is not just chatty and superficial advice. It is ALAC's institutional role to provide advice to the Board, but the communication of advice is not limited to meetings with the Board, ALAC has to come up with substantive papers and reports on key issues and communicate them to the Board. Meetings with the Board are special occasions; sometimes they may be used for emphasizing certain important advice which has not been headed, but we have to treat them as special. Siavash

thanks for your suggestions jacqueline . i look forward to a discussion with everyone on this tonight. Let's see what the group as a whole decides. regards Robert On 29-Oct-07, at 12:55 PM, jam@jacquelinemorris.com wrote:

Continuing my comments Should include als and ralo specialists on issues.

2. gNSO improvement – Alan 3. IDNs - Hong, Bilal 7. IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi, Didier 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau, danny

AC Operations issues 1. Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before thye get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl 2. Budget- Cheryl and Annette

Summit - we should wait until the secretariats have had a chance to look at this and discuss. We can do this in the joint meeting later on in theweek. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile.

-----Original Message----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org>

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:01:21 To:At-Large <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge community meeting with ICANN Board

Here is the draft plan prepared by Annette, Alan, Wendy, Beau and Izumi this morning.

Please read them carefully, and if your name is listed, then you are assigned a task for that.Don't miss it!!

If you have additional topics to be discussed or any suggestions on how to operate this meeting, please send them to this list as soon as possible. We like to let ALL members of ALAC to speak up, but be mindful for the time allocations.

Jacqueline to Chair the meeting, Izumi assist Jacqueline as time- keeper

Introduction – Jacqueline Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members New members introduction - what they expect to do RALO-elect ALAC members and NomCom-select ALAC members to say a few words, 2 min max [10 - 15 min?]

ALAC in Transition- Veronica/Cheryl – 3 min max Report on – One day Workshop

Policy Areas – share ALAC views*

*"ALAC" here means the collective voices with ALS and RALO community, not only 15-members.

Followings are the list of topics and "speakers" who are responsible to prepare the draft sentences, hopefully in one or two paragraphs max this afternoon, circulate them online – to the open list – and the compile/edit them.

They will be the speakers on the subject at the meeting to introduce them. If other members have additional comments, dissenting opinions, they are free to add – within limited timeframe. The Board may ask questions to us, or we may ask their opinions as a two-way dialogue.

1. New gTLDs - Wendy and Beau 2. gNSO improvement – Alan 3. Domain tasting, Domain name front running - Robert 4. geoTLDs - Annette 5. WHOIS – Wendy 6. IDNs - Hong – Annette 7. IPV4 and IPV6 – Izumi 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau 9. ccNSO issue area- Siavash 10. ALAC Review – Robert

ALAC Operations issues 1. Bylaws changes, outreach plan - Alice and Mohamed ? (Robert to contact them) 2. Budgets- Cheryl and Annette 3. introducing the Secretariat (to be discussed tonight on how to)

Thanks,

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Well, I see lots of discussion amongst a very few people. I would like to hear what the entire group thinks, for one. I *thought* that I heard what the entire group thought yesterday when everybody ageed on what should be done but now its all getting changed. It just doesn't seem right to me. Perhaps I am not seeing things clearly. >sigh< D ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 5:37 PM To: 'Robert Guerra'; 'At-Large Global List' Subject: Re: [At-Large] Items for discussion tonight ... Discussion should continue on this as much as possible today and not wait for tonight for discussion. The back and forth has been ongoing since this morning, and we seem to be getting to agreement on some issues, at least from the responses to date on the list, so I would not at all agree that we stop this online work and wait for the meeting tonight, especially as some cannot attend. We should continue working online to get to as close as possible to a final so that we can finish it off in a few minutes tonight. WE have a lot of things to cover, so as much as possible should be done online. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Guerra [mailto:lists@privaterra.info] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 14:18 To: At-Large Global List Subject: [At-Large] Items for discussion tonight ... thanks for your suggestions jacqueline . i look forward to a discussion with everyone on this tonight. Let's see what the group as a whole decides. regards Robert On 29-Oct-07, at 12:55 PM, jam@jacquelinemorris.com wrote:

Continuing my comments Should include als and ralo specialists on issues.

2. gNSO improvement - Alan 3. IDNs - Hong, Bilal 7. IPV4 and IPV6 - Izumi, Didier 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau, danny

AC Operations issues 1. Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before thye get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl 2. Budget- Cheryl and Annette

Summit - we should wait until the secretariats have had a chance to look at this and discuss. We can do this in the joint meeting later on in theweek. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile.

-----Original Message----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org>

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:01:21 To:At-Large <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge community meeting with ICANN Board

Here is the draft plan prepared by Annette, Alan, Wendy, Beau and Izumi this morning.

Please read them carefully, and if your name is listed, then you are assigned a task for that.Don't miss it!!

If you have additional topics to be discussed or any suggestions on how to operate this meeting, please send them to this list as soon as possible. We like to let ALL members of ALAC to speak up, but be mindful for the time allocations.

Jacqueline to Chair the meeting, Izumi assist Jacqueline as time- keeper

Introduction - Jacqueline Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members New members introduction - what they expect to do RALO-elect ALAC members and NomCom-select ALAC members to say a few words, 2 min max [10 - 15 min?]

ALAC in Transition- Veronica/Cheryl - 3 min max Report on - One day Workshop

Policy Areas - share ALAC views*

*"ALAC" here means the collective voices with ALS and RALO community, not only 15-members.

Followings are the list of topics and "speakers" who are responsible to prepare the draft sentences, hopefully in one or two paragraphs max this afternoon, circulate them online - to the open list - and the compile/edit them.

They will be the speakers on the subject at the meeting to introduce them. If other members have additional comments, dissenting opinions, they are free to add - within limited timeframe. The Board may ask questions to us, or we may ask their opinions as a two-way dialogue.

1. New gTLDs - Wendy and Beau 2. gNSO improvement - Alan 3. Domain tasting, Domain name front running - Robert 4. geoTLDs - Annette 5. WHOIS - Wendy 6. IDNs - Hong - Annette 7. IPV4 and IPV6 - Izumi 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau 9. ccNSO issue area- Siavash 10. ALAC Review - Robert

ALAC Operations issues 1. Bylaws changes, outreach plan - Alice and Mohamed ? (Robert to contact them) 2. Budgets- Cheryl and Annette 3. introducing the Secretariat (to be discussed tonight on how to)

Thanks,

izumi --

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Hi everyone. What are you guys talking about? What's the purpose of the meeting? ("This meeting will allow the ALAC and the RALO Secretariats to work together for the first time and work together to create a shared vision and set of goals for the At-Large community, based upon their separate sessions the previous day."?) Is the agenda online the agenda you intend to discuss? <https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?29_october_2007> Will the meeting starting at 7PM, or 7:30 (or 8?) If not 7, have the interpreters been told. Seems like a number of pretty confused threads going on here. Rules and Procedures... Adam

Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

Several ppl have indicated that they’d prefer an agenda with fewer or different items so I guess that everyone didn’t agree yesterday.

So far there have been comments from about 12 people that I’ve seen. Sorry, I did not realize that anyone was counting, or that the number mattered. I have not spoken here on these matters because others are expressing my viewpoint quite well.

- Evan

I agree with Darlene, the summit is ripe for discussion, and at a stage where getting a sense of the Board and priming issues with them would be quite helpful. --Wendy Thompson, Darlene wrote:

Pardon me???

Speaking as the Secretariat of the NARALO, the Secretariats have already discussed this in a previous conference call and on list and we are all in agreement that the Summit is something we should pursue just as long as it doesn't conflict with anybody being able to make it to their own regional meeting (Raj).

Why are you trying to prohibit discussion on this? This is our only opportunity to bring this up to the board?

I truly hope to see an answer on this.

Darlene NARALO Secretariat

PS. I find it very interesting that everything was working incredibly smoothly with everybody collaborating yesterday and now, suddenly, for some reason, there is all of the debate. What would have caused this?

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From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of jam@jacquelinemorris.com Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 3:55 PM To: Izumi AIZU; At-Large Global List; secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: Danny Younger Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLargecommunitymeeting with ICANN Board

Continuing my comments Should include als and ralo specialists on issues.

2. gNSO improvement - Alan 3. IDNs - Hong, Bilal 7. IPV4 and IPV6 - Izumi, Didier 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau, danny

AC Operations issues 1. Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before thye get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl 2. Budget- Cheryl and Annette

Summit - we should wait until the secretariats have had a chance to look at this and discuss. We can do this in the joint meeting later on in theweek. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile.

-----Original Message----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org>

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:01:21 To:At-Large <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge community meeting with ICANN Board

Here is the draft plan prepared by Annette, Alan, Wendy, Beau and Izumi this morning.

Please read them carefully, and if your name is listed, then you are assigned a task for that.Don't miss it!!

If you have additional topics to be discussed or any suggestions on how to operate this meeting, please send them to this list as soon as possible. We like to let ALL members of ALAC to speak up, but be mindful for the time allocations.

Jacqueline to Chair the meeting, Izumi assist Jacqueline as time-keeper

Introduction - Jacqueline Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members New members introduction - what they expect to do RALO-elect ALAC members and NomCom-select ALAC members to say a few words, 2 min max [10 - 15 min?]

ALAC in Transition- Veronica/Cheryl - 3 min max Report on - One day Workshop

Policy Areas - share ALAC views*

*"ALAC" here means the collective voices with ALS and RALO community, not only 15-members.

Followings are the list of topics and "speakers" who are responsible to prepare the draft sentences, hopefully in one or two paragraphs max this afternoon, circulate them online - to the open list - and the compile/edit them.

They will be the speakers on the subject at the meeting to introduce them. If other members have additional comments, dissenting opinions, they are free to add - within limited timeframe. The Board may ask questions to us, or we may ask their opinions as a two-way dialogue.

1. New gTLDs - Wendy and Beau 2. gNSO improvement - Alan 3. Domain tasting, Domain name front running - Robert 4. geoTLDs - Annette 5. WHOIS - Wendy 6. IDNs - Hong - Annette 7. IPV4 and IPV6 - Izumi 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau 9. ccNSO issue area- Siavash 10. ALAC Review - Robert

ALAC Operations issues 1. Bylaws changes, outreach plan - Alice and Mohamed ? (Robert to contact them) 2. Budgets- Cheryl and Annette 3. introducing the Secretariat (to be discussed tonight on how to)

Thanks,

izumi --

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Hey, I sugar coated that one as much as I am able. But maybe you should have me moderated if I can't speak my mind. I was VERY polite. Things are just going way to far awry today as compared to yesterday. If you are going to make sweeping changes then be prepared to take the flack. Darlene ________________________________ From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 6:56 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; Izumi AIZU; At-Large Global List; secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: Danny Younger Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLargecommunitymeeting with ICANN Board Hey I was brioefed that the secretariats had not disucssed this. If that is not the case, say so, but do not come with accusatory tone and abuse. I am not at all down with that. If comments are made civilly, I repond in like manner. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile. -----Original Message----- From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:12:12 To:<jam@jacquelinemorris.com>,"Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org>,"At-Large Global List" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>,<secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc:"Danny Younger" <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLargecommunitymeeting with ICANN Board Pardon me??? Speaking as the Secretariat of the NARALO, the Secretariats have already discussed this in a previous conference call and on list and we are all in agreement that the Summit is something we should pursue just as long as it doesn't conflict with anybody being able to make it to their own regional meeting (Raj). Why are you trying to prohibit discussion on this? This is our only opportunity to bring this up to the board? I truly hope to see an answer on this. Darlene NARALO Secretariat PS. I find it very interesting that everything was working incredibly smoothly with everybody collaborating yesterday and now, suddenly, for some reason, there is all of the debate. What would have caused this? ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of jam@jacquelinemorris.com Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 3:55 PM To: Izumi AIZU; At-Large Global List; secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: Danny Younger Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLargecommunitymeeting with ICANN Board Continuing my comments Should include als and ralo specialists on issues. 2. gNSO improvement - Alan 3. IDNs - Hong, Bilal 7. IPV4 and IPV6 - Izumi, Didier 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau, danny AC Operations issues 1. Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before thye get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl 2. Budget- Cheryl and Annette Summit - we should wait until the secretariats have had a chance to look at this and discuss. We can do this in the joint meeting later on in theweek. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile. -----Original Message----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:01:21 To:At-Large <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge community meeting with ICANN Board Here is the draft plan prepared by Annette, Alan, Wendy, Beau and Izumi this morning. Please read them carefully, and if your name is listed, then you are assigned a task for that.Don't miss it!! If you have additional topics to be discussed or any suggestions on how to operate this meeting, please send them to this list as soon as possible. We like to let ALL members of ALAC to speak up, but be mindful for the time allocations. Jacqueline to Chair the meeting, Izumi assist Jacqueline as time-keeper Introduction - Jacqueline Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members New members introduction - what they expect to do RALO-elect ALAC members and NomCom-select ALAC members to say a few words, 2 min max [10 - 15 min?] ALAC in Transition- Veronica/Cheryl - 3 min max Report on - One day Workshop Policy Areas - share ALAC views* *"ALAC" here means the collective voices with ALS and RALO community, not only 15-members. Followings are the list of topics and "speakers" who are responsible to prepare the draft sentences, hopefully in one or two paragraphs max this afternoon, circulate them online - to the open list - and the compile/edit them. They will be the speakers on the subject at the meeting to introduce them. If other members have additional comments, dissenting opinions, they are free to add - within limited timeframe. The Board may ask questions to us, or we may ask their opinions as a two-way dialogue. 1. New gTLDs - Wendy and Beau 2. gNSO improvement - Alan 3. Domain tasting, Domain name front running - Robert 4. geoTLDs - Annette 5. WHOIS - Wendy 6. IDNs - Hong - Annette 7. IPV4 and IPV6 - Izumi 8. Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow - Beau 9. ccNSO issue area- Siavash 10. ALAC Review - Robert ALAC Operations issues 1. Bylaws changes, outreach plan - Alice and Mohamed ? (Robert to contact them) 2. Budgets- Cheryl and Annette 3. introducing the Secretariat (to be discussed tonight on how to) Thanks, izumi -- _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> <http://www.alac.icann.org/> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/> <http://www.icannalac.org/> _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> <http://www.alac.icann.org/> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/> <http://www.icannalac.org/>

I was briefed …more like a long discussion really. I fully support the idea of the Summit because it is clear we have common challenges in messaging ICANN activities to the general user community. While there are real cultural differences that could impact how we do it regionally, I believe some ideas/initiatives are ready for global adoption. But we need to know what they are and the Summit will help to do this. I even used the story I heard from Sheryl in PR of how Australian ALS went about messaging IPv6 adoption to the general user community. When the idea was broached on the LACRALO list, we had 2 responses, both supportive. [Please do not read the low response rate as rejection! This is one of the cultural differences I speak about.] Carlton LACRALO Secretariat ________________________________________ From: secretariat-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:secretariat-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Darlene Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:00 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Izumi AIZU; At-Large Global List; secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: Danny Younger Subject: Re: [Secretariat] [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday'sAtLargecommunitymeeting with ICANN Board Further to my last e-mail:  by whom were you briefed?  Which one of the Secretariats did you get briefed by?  Maybe you should get your briefings from the source!  I didn't see you post to the Secretariats list asking about this.  I am very happy to bend over backwards giving out information.   D ________________________________________ From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 6:56 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; Izumi AIZU; At-Large Global List; secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: Danny Younger Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLargecommunitymeeting with ICANN Board Hey I was brioefed that the secretariats had not disucssed this. If that is not the case, say so, but do not come with accusatory tone and abuse. I am not at all down with that. If comments are made civilly, I repond in like manner. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile. -----Original Message----- From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:12:12 To:<jam@jacquelinemorris.com>,"Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org>,"At-Large Global List" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>,<secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc:"Danny Younger" <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLargecommunitymeeting with ICANN Board Pardon me??? Speaking as the Secretariat of the NARALO, the Secretariats have already discussed this in a previous conference call and on list and we are all in agreement that the Summit is something we should pursue just as long as it doesn't conflict with anybody being able to make it to their own regional meeting (Raj). Why are you trying to prohibit discussion on this?  This is our only opportunity to bring this up to the board? I truly hope to see an answer on this. Darlene NARALO Secretariat PS.  I find it very interesting that everything was working incredibly smoothly with everybody collaborating yesterday and now, suddenly, for some reason, there is all of the debate.  What would have caused this? ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of jam@jacquelinemorris.com Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 3:55 PM To: Izumi AIZU; At-Large Global List; secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: Danny Younger Subject: Re: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLargecommunitymeeting with ICANN Board Continuing my comments Should include als and ralo specialists on issues. 2.      gNSO improvement - Alan 3.      IDNs - Hong, Bilal 7.      IPV4 and IPV6 - Izumi, Didier 8.      Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow  - Beau, danny AC Operations issues 1.      Bylaws change (brief mention and any questions from Board before thye get to it in their meeting) - Jacqueline ; Cheryl 2.      Budget- Cheryl and Annette Summit - we should wait until the secretariats have had a chance to look at this and discuss. We can do this in the joint meeting later on in theweek. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile. -----Original Message----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:01:21 To:At-Large <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] <IMPORTANT> Draft Plan for Tuesday's AtLarge community         meeting with ICANN Board Here is the draft plan prepared by Annette, Alan, Wendy, Beau and Izumi this morning. Please read them carefully, and if your name is listed, then you are assigned a task for that.Don't miss it!! If you have additional topics to be discussed or any suggestions on how to operate this meeting, please send them to this list as soon as possible. We like to let ALL members of ALAC to speak up, but be mindful for the time allocations. Jacqueline to Chair the meeting, Izumi assist Jacqueline as time-keeper Introduction - Jacqueline Acknowledgement and introduction for outgoing and incoming ALAC members New members introduction - what they expect to do RALO-elect ALAC members and NomCom-select ALAC members to say a few words, 2 min max        [10 - 15 min?] ALAC in Transition- Veronica/Cheryl - 3 min max Report on - One day Workshop Policy Areas - share ALAC views* *"ALAC" here means the collective voices with ALS and RALO community, not only 15-members. Followings are the list of topics and "speakers" who are responsible to prepare the draft sentences, hopefully in one or two paragraphs max this afternoon, circulate them online - to the open list - and the compile/edit them. They will be the speakers on the subject at the meeting to introduce them. If other members have additional comments, dissenting opinions, they are free to add - within limited timeframe. The Board may ask questions to us, or we may ask their opinions as a two-way dialogue. 1.      New gTLDs - Wendy and Beau 2.      gNSO improvement - Alan 3.      Domain tasting, Domain name front running  - Robert 4.      geoTLDs -  Annette 5.      WHOIS - Wendy 6.      IDNs - Hong - Annette 7.      IPV4 and IPV6 - Izumi 8.      Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs), Registry Escrow  - Beau 9.      ccNSO issue area-  Siavash 10.     ALAC Review - Robert ALAC Operations issues 1.      Bylaws changes, outreach plan - Alice and Mohamed ? (Robert to contact them) 2.      Budgets- Cheryl and Annette 3.      introducing the Secretariat  (to be discussed tonight on how to) Thanks, izumi -- _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/> _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/>

Annette Muehlberg ha scritto:

Draft for comment on geoTLD by Annette:

Hi Annette, if we want to say something on new gTLDs, it'd better be something more focused on specific recommendations (y'all read the document, right?). If I get it well, your objective is to promote geoTLDs and in general non-profit TLDs having social/cultural purposes - if that's the purpose, I suggest that some things we might want to say are: - in recommendations 7-8, technical, financial and operational criteria that are required to applicants should be kept to a bare minimum, and proportionate to the intended size and type of the TLD. It should also be recognized as objective that of promoting the creation of registry operations in developing countries and in other parts of the world, even if this implies that these new registries will initially be less reliable than their existing counterparts. - recommendation 19 should be amended so that small scale TLDs aren't obliged to deploy .com-scale technical and commercial procedures to interface with hundreds of ICANN accredited registrars around the world. The requirement to support all accredited registrars must be kept for global, commercial oriented TLDs, but should be dropped for TLDs with less than 50'000-100'000 registrations, or in TLDs where there is no need for registration intermediaries (for example, those reserved to accredited members of an organization which is sponsoring the registry). Regards, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------