Hi, A couple of question related to the distribution of the notes and/or transcripts: Are these documents public (or will they be made so in the future)? If they are not for public distribution, can they be forwarded to the groups who we represent/asked us to participate (SSAC in my case) with a request not to redistribute? Thanks, -drc On Feb 22, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> wrote:

Alice,

This looks good to me. Thanks for the quick and thorough work. And thanks even more for the excellent preparation and organization. We're off to a good start.

Steve

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Dear Review Team Members,

Thanks for joining the call today. Please find attached a draft preliminary report of your conference call. Feel free to send any comments or edits you may have. Also attached you will find the chat transcript. Thanks

Very best regards

Alice

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Brian, On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Brian Cute <brianacute@gmail.com> wrote:

As a point of reference, ATRT1 established a rule of open and transparent meetings and work. The Team established the possibility of "closed session" with Chatham House Rule if necessary but to also provide a summary or closed sessions for the community/public.

That seems eminently reasonable. Were there any negative repercussions that the first ATRT experienced that would suggest we not follow this rule with ATRT2? Thanks, -drc

To kick off the discussion, Since a large number of our group will be in Beijing, I don't think that we can afford not to meet there. We are starting far later than originally planned, but still trying to make the original deadline of 31-Dec. I think a 2nd face-to-face meeting near the start of our work is valuable, so it is either Beijing, or moving the entire group to somewhere else very close (in time) to the Beijing meeting. If we are looking for two days (which seems reasonable to me), there seem to be several potential options from the two days preceding the start of many meetings (Fri Apr 4, Sat Apr 5) and the three days after (Fri Apr 12, Sat Apr 13, Sun Apr 14). Note that some of us are scheduled for other meetings on Sat, Apr 5 (I am), but probably not enough to rule out that day. If we were to meet only after the ICANN week, my inclination would be to make it Sat-Sun to give people just a bit of time to clear their minds and get ready. So the options seems to be: a) 4, 5 (Before) b) 12, 13 (After with no break) c) 13, 14 (After with a break) d) 5, 12 (Split with no break) e) 5, 13 (Split with a break) I can live with any of these options but have a preference for a or c. Alan

I agree with Avri both in that I can live with any of the options but see some advantage in (d). Regards, -drc On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for starting the conversation.

I agree with the reasoning and can live with any of the options. My preference is for (d).

I like the idea of getting a day in before, i.e. bracketing the ICANN meeting with our meeting.

avri

On 22 Feb 2013, at 18:18, Alan Greenberg wrote:

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To kick off the discussion, Since a large number of our group will be in Beijing, I don't think that we can afford not to meet there. We are starting far later than originally planned, but still trying to make the original deadline of 31-Dec. I think a 2nd face-to-face meeting near the start of our work is valuable, so it is either Beijing, or moving the entire group to somewhere else very close (in time) to the Beijing meeting.

If we are looking for two days (which seems reasonable to me), there seem to be several potential options from the two days preceding the start of many meetings (Fri Apr 4, Sat Apr 5) and the three days after (Fri Apr 12, Sat Apr 13, Sun Apr 14). Note that some of us are scheduled for other meetings on Sat, Apr 5 (I am), but probably not enough to rule out that day.

If we were to meet only after the ICANN week, my inclination would be to make it Sat-Sun to give people just a bit of time to clear their minds and get ready.

So the options seems to be:

a) 4, 5 (Before) b) 12, 13 (After with no break) c) 13, 14 (After with a break) d) 5, 12 (Split with no break) e) 5, 13 (Split with a break)

I can live with any of these options but have a preference for a or c.

Alan

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I guess one cannot proof-read something too many times. Yes, the dates before the meeting are 5 and 6. So the options I listed should be: a) 5, 6 (Before) b) 12, 13 (After with no break) c) 13, 14 (After with a break) d) 6, 12 (Split with no break) e) 6, 13 (Split with a break) Alan At 23/02/2013 03:30 AM, Lise Fuhr wrote:

It seems that the dates that Alan has suggested are bit wrong. Saturday is the 6 April and if that is what is meant by d) this is perfect for me. I agree we should meet in Beijing. Best Lise

Den 23/02/2013 kl. 00.36 skrev David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>:

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I agree with Avri both in that I can live with any of the options but see some advantage in (d).

Regards, -drc

On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:

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Hi,

Thanks for starting the conversation.

I agree with the reasoning and can live with any of the options. My preference is for (d).

I like the idea of getting a day in before, i.e. bracketing the ICANN meeting with our meeting.

avri

On 22 Feb 2013, at 18:18, Alan Greenberg wrote:

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To kick off the discussion, Since a large number of our group will be in Beijing, I don't think that we can afford not to meet there. We are starting far later than originally planned, but still trying to make the original deadline of 31-Dec. I think a 2nd face-to-face meeting near the start of our work is valuable, so it is either Beijing, or moving the entire group to somewhere else very close (in time) to the Beijing meeting.

If we are looking for two days (which seems reasonable to me), there seem to be several potential options from the two days preceding the start of many meetings (Fri Apr 4, Sat Apr 5) and the three days after (Fri Apr 12, Sat Apr 13, Sun Apr 14). Note that some of us are scheduled for other meetings on Sat, Apr 5 (I am), but probably not enough to rule out that day.

If we were to meet only after the ICANN week, my inclination would be to make it Sat-Sun to give people just a bit of time to clear their minds and get ready.

So the options seems to be:

a) 4, 5 (Before) b) 12, 13 (After with no break) c) 13, 14 (After with a break) d) 5, 12 (Split with no break) e) 5, 13 (Split with a break)

I can live with any of these options but have a preference for a or c.

Alan

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+1 Doodle please. And rather than playing with mastermind-like combinations, the Doodle can have 5AM/5PM, 6AM/6PM, 12AM/12PM, etc. Thanks, Olivier On 23/02/2013 21:20, David Conrad wrote:

Perhaps I might suggest a doodle poll so we can resolve this sooner rather than later?

Regards, -drc

On Feb 23, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:

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I guess one cannot proof-read something too many times. Yes, the dates before the meeting are 5 and 6.

So the options I listed should be:

a) 5, 6 (Before) b) 12, 13 (After with no break) c) 13, 14 (After with a break) d) 6, 12 (Split with no break) e) 6, 13 (Split with a break)

Alan

At 23/02/2013 03:30 AM, Lise Fuhr wrote:

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It seems that the dates that Alan has suggested are bit wrong. Saturday is the 6 April and if that is what is meant by d) this is perfect for me. I agree we should meet in Beijing. Best Lise

Den 23/02/2013 kl. 00.36 skrev David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>:

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I agree with Avri both in that I can live with any of the options but see some advantage in (d).

Regards, -drc

On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:

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Hi,

Thanks for starting the conversation.

I agree with the reasoning and can live with any of the options. My preference is for (d).

I like the idea of getting a day in before, i.e. bracketing the ICANN meeting with our meeting.

avri

On 22 Feb 2013, at 18:18, Alan Greenberg wrote:

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To kick off the discussion, Since a large number of our group will be in Beijing, I don't think that we can afford not to meet there. We are starting far later than originally planned, but still trying to make the original deadline of 31-Dec. I think a 2nd face-to-face meeting near the start of our work is valuable, so it is either Beijing, or moving the entire group to somewhere else very close (in time) to the Beijing meeting.

If we are looking for two days (which seems reasonable to me), there seem to be several potential options from the two days preceding the start of many meetings (Fri Apr 4, Sat Apr 5) and the three days after (Fri Apr 12, Sat Apr 13, Sun Apr 14). Note that some of us are scheduled for other meetings on Sat, Apr 5 (I am), but probably not enough to rule out that day.

If we were to meet only after the ICANN week, my inclination would be to make it Sat-Sun to give people just a bit of time to clear their minds and get ready.

So the options seems to be:

a) 4, 5 (Before) b) 12, 13 (After with no break) c) 13, 14 (After with a break) d) 5, 12 (Split with no break) e) 5, 13 (Split with a break)

I can live with any of these options but have a preference for a or c.

Alan

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In addition to discussing dates to meet, we should also discuss the nature of the work we envision in Beijing. While interaction with ICANN and the ICANN community will be an important element of the work, the Review Team may or may not be in a position to interact effectively with the Community and ICANN at the Beijing meeting. Interaction requires structure and preparation. I would imagine that in our face-to-face meeting in Los Angeles that the Team will identify work streams, working groups and other activities. It may be worthwhile to discuss how we envision advancing the work in Beijing and that could help inform when, and for how long, we should meet in Beijing. Regards, Brian On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Carlos Raúl G. <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:

I can only fully commit to the options b) and/or c), as I cannot physically make it before the 7th. Options d) and e) as second best

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El 23/02/2013, a las 00:36, David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> escribió:

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I agree with Avri both in that I can live with any of the options but see some advantage in (d).

Regards, -drc

On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:

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Hi,

Thanks for starting the conversation.

I agree with the reasoning and can live with any of the options. My preference is for (d).

I like the idea of getting a day in before, i.e. bracketing the ICANN meeting with our meeting.

avri

On 22 Feb 2013, at 18:18, Alan Greenberg wrote:

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To kick off the discussion, Since a large number of our group will be in Beijing, I don't think that we can afford not to meet there. We are starting far later than originally planned, but still trying to make the original deadline of 31-Dec. I think a 2nd face-to-face meeting near the start of our work is valuable, so it is either Beijing, or moving the entire group to somewhere else very close (in time) to the Beijing meeting.

If we are looking for two days (which seems reasonable to me), there seem to be several potential options from the two days preceding the start of many meetings (Fri Apr 4, Sat Apr 5) and the three days after (Fri Apr 12, Sat Apr 13, Sun Apr 14). Note that some of us are scheduled for other meetings on Sat, Apr 5 (I am), but probably not enough to rule out that day.

If we were to meet only after the ICANN week, my inclination would be to make it Sat-Sun to give people just a bit of time to clear their minds and get ready.

So the options seems to be:

a) 4, 5 (Before) b) 12, 13 (After with no break) c) 13, 14 (After with a break) d) 5, 12 (Split with no break) e) 5, 13 (Split with a break)

I can live with any of these options but have a preference for a or c.

Alan

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Avri, To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that the team should not make plans for Beijing, only that the nature and amount of the work could impact both the amount of time we need (1 or more days) and the timing of the meeting (beginning or end of ICANN meeting). In my opinion the team should meet in Beijing, even if full attendance is not achievable, as long as members who cannot travel to Beijing could join the meeting remotely. Brian On 2/23/13 12:23 PM, "Avril Doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:

Hi,

I agree with your idea of what we should do in LA in terms of initiating the streams of work and preparing for Beijing.

However, Beijing is soon, so plans really do need to be made one way or another. While many of us might plan to go to the Beijing meeting anyway, I am sure there are people who might not already be planning this trip.

avri

On 23 Feb 2013, at 08:03, Brian Cute wrote:

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In addition to discussing dates to meet, we should also discuss the nature of the work we envision in Beijing. While interaction with ICANN and the ICANN community will be an important element of the work, the Review Team may or may not be in a position to interact effectively with the Community and ICANN at the Beijing meeting. Interaction requires structure and preparation. I would imagine that in our face-to-face meeting in Los Angeles that the Team will identify work streams, working groups and other activities. It may be worthwhile to discuss how we envision advancing the work in Beijing and that could help inform when, and for how long, we should meet in Beijing.

Regards, Brian

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Carlos Raúl G. <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: I can only fully commit to the options b) and/or c), as I cannot physically make it before the 7th. Options d) and e) as second best

Best

Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez

SUTEL, Costa Rica

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El 23/02/2013, a las 00:36, David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> escribió:

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I agree with Avri both in that I can live with any of the options but see some advantage in (d).

Regards, -drc

On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:

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Hi,

Thanks for starting the conversation.

I agree with the reasoning and can live with any of the options. My preference is for (d).

I like the idea of getting a day in before, i.e. bracketing the ICANN meeting with our meeting.

avri

On 22 Feb 2013, at 18:18, Alan Greenberg wrote:

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To kick off the discussion, Since a large number of our group will be in Beijing, I don't think that we can afford not to meet there. We are starting far later than originally planned, but still trying to make the original deadline of 31-Dec. I think a 2nd face-to-face meeting near the start of our work is valuable, so it is either Beijing, or moving the entire group to somewhere else very close (in time) to the Beijing meeting.

If we are looking for two days (which seems reasonable to me), there seem to be several potential options from the two days preceding the start of many meetings (Fri Apr 4, Sat Apr 5) and the three days after (Fri Apr 12, Sat Apr 13, Sun Apr 14). Note that some of us are scheduled for other meetings on Sat, Apr 5 (I am), but probably not enough to rule out that day.

If we were to meet only after the ICANN week, my inclination would be to make it Sat-Sun to give people just a bit of time to clear their minds and get ready.

So the options seems to be:

a) 4, 5 (Before) b) 12, 13 (After with no break) c) 13, 14 (After with a break) d) 5, 12 (Split with no break) e) 5, 13 (Split with a break)

I can live with any of these options but have a preference for a or c.

Alan

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