Acceptance of fax applications
Dear Councillors, An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting." I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO. The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives. I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway. Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008. Thanks, Gabi
Approved. Regards, Lesley owner-ccnso-council@icann.org wrote on 22/10/2008 13:01:56:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to
voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Approved. Patricio Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Approved. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Gabriella Schittek Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM To: ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications Dear Councillors, An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting." I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO. The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives. I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway. Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008. Thanks, Gabi
Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Dear Councillors,
Approved. Ondrej
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
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Dear Councillors,
Approved. Ondrej
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The
ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax
applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such
applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the
(very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to
this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
approval Hiro On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:01:56 -0700 Gabriella Schittek <gabriella.schittek@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Ok to end it. Oscar .pr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriella Schittek" <gabriella.schittek@icann.org> To: <ccnso-council@icann.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Approved. -Patrick On Oct 22, 2008, at 5:01 AM, Gabriella Schittek wrote: Dear Councillors, An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting." I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO. The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives. I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway. Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008. Thanks, Gabi
I approve. Regards, Sloba
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Approve ending FAX Applications. Dotty -----Original Message----- From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Gabriella Schittek Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM To: ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications Dear Councillors, An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting." I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO. The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives. I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway. Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008. Thanks, Gabi
Seems like a good idea but before I indicate my vote I would like to find out how rare these fax applications have been over, say, the last two years. Could the ccNSO Secratariat present some data? Regards, Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw On 22 Oct 2008 at 5:01, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Paulos, I've been with the ccNSO since January 2007, so I can only present data from then - during my time we only had one fax application. Gabi -----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:24 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications Seems like a good idea but before I indicate my vote I would like to find out how rare these fax applications have been over, say, the last two years. Could the ccNSO Secratariat present some data? Regards, Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw On 22 Oct 2008 at 5:01, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Gabi, It may be necessary to revisit the reasons for originally putting in place the fax or hard copy form before deleting this procedure. I vaguely remember that this fax or hard copy form or procedure was put in place in addition to the online form in order to assist those ccTLDs and/or countries who require a formally signed application or document to satisfy their national laws. It may as well be that more and more countries now officially recognise the online application as legally binding but does that now cover everyone globally? Regards, Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw On 23 Oct 2008 at 0:49, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
I've been with the ccNSO since January 2007, so I can only present data from then - during my time we only had one fax application.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:24 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Seems like a good idea but before I indicate my vote I would like to find out how rare these fax applications have been over, say, the last two years. Could the ccNSO Secratariat present some data?
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw
On 22 Oct 2008 at 5:01, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Paulos, I am quite sure that if that is a requirement, the potential applicant will contact me and we can offer a tailored solution - I can provide them with a special form that is based on the web-application form, with an additional line for signing the application. However, I would like to make it compulsory to fill in the web-application form, as this is the only way to safely store all data. Gabi -----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:09 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: RE: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications Gabi, It may be necessary to revisit the reasons for originally putting in place the fax or hard copy form before deleting this procedure. I vaguely remember that this fax or hard copy form or procedure was put in place in addition to the online form in order to assist those ccTLDs and/or countries who require a formally signed application or document to satisfy their national laws. It may as well be that more and more countries now officially recognise the online application as legally binding but does that now cover everyone globally? Regards, Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw On 23 Oct 2008 at 0:49, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
I've been with the ccNSO since January 2007, so I can only present data from then - during my time we only had one fax application.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:24 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Seems like a good idea but before I indicate my vote I would like to find out how rare these fax applications have been over, say, the last two years. Could the ccNSO Secratariat present some data?
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw
On 22 Oct 2008 at 5:01, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Gabi, I remember that the need for the special form that you can see here was partly the reason for making the fax or hard copy form available. It helps or enables Council to avoid having to approve a special form on a country by country basis as may be necessary for a "taloired solution". Regards, Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD domains@registrar.mw http://www.registrar.mw On 23 Oct 2008 at 1:27, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
I am quite sure that if that is a requirement, the potential applicant will contact me and we can offer a tailored solution - I can provide them with a special form that is based on the web-application form, with an additional line for signing the application.
However, I would like to make it compulsory to fill in the web-application form, as this is the only way to safely store all data.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:09 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: RE: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Gabi,
It may be necessary to revisit the reasons for originally putting in place the fax or hard copy form before deleting this procedure.
I vaguely remember that this fax or hard copy form or procedure was put in place in addition to the online form in order to assist those ccTLDs and/or countries who require a formally signed application or document to satisfy their national laws.
It may as well be that more and more countries now officially recognise the online application as legally binding but does that now cover everyone globally?
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw
On 23 Oct 2008 at 0:49, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
I've been with the ccNSO since January 2007, so I can only present data from then - during my time we only had one fax application.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:24 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Seems like a good idea but before I indicate my vote I would like to find out how rare these fax applications have been over, say, the last two years. Could the ccNSO Secratariat present some data?
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw
On 22 Oct 2008 at 5:01, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Paulos, Obviously, the need of a fax hard copy-option was not as great as anticipated, since it is hardly used - and my feeling is that it would have been used even less, if there was no fax option. Given that fax applications are extremely rare, I would personally prefer to send out an additional customised form (as an addition to the web-form) when needed, over not having a proper archiving system. If the applicant would be forced to fill in the web-application, and given that all that is needed to "customise" the form is one extra line for the signature, I don't even think that the council would need to be involved in the process of sending out an additional hard-copy in cases when needed, as this would be handled by the secretariat. Gabi -----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:52 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: RE: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications Gabi, I remember that the need for the special form that you can see here was partly the reason for making the fax or hard copy form available. It helps or enables Council to avoid having to approve a special form on a country by country basis as may be necessary for a "taloired solution". Regards, Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD domains@registrar.mw http://www.registrar.mw On 23 Oct 2008 at 1:27, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
I am quite sure that if that is a requirement, the potential applicant will contact me and we can offer a tailored solution - I can provide them with a special form that is based on the web-application form, with an additional line for signing the application.
However, I would like to make it compulsory to fill in the web-application form, as this is the only way to safely store all data.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:09 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: RE: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Gabi,
It may be necessary to revisit the reasons for originally putting in place the fax or hard copy form before deleting this procedure.
I vaguely remember that this fax or hard copy form or procedure was put in place in addition to the online form in order to assist those ccTLDs and/or countries who require a formally signed application or document to satisfy their national laws.
It may as well be that more and more countries now officially recognise the online application as legally binding but does that now cover everyone globally?
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw
On 23 Oct 2008 at 0:49, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
I've been with the ccNSO since January 2007, so I can only present data from then - during my time we only had one fax application.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:24 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Seems like a good idea but before I indicate my vote I would like to find out how rare these fax applications have been over, say, the last two years. Could the ccNSO Secratariat present some data?
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw
On 22 Oct 2008 at 5:01, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Paulos, Gabi's suggestion about how to handle the exceptions sounds very reasonable to me. Patricio Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
Obviously, the need of a fax hard copy-option was not as great as anticipated, since it is hardly used - and my feeling is that it would have been used even less, if there was no fax option.
Given that fax applications are extremely rare, I would personally prefer to send out an additional customised form (as an addition to the web-form) when needed, over not having a proper archiving system.
If the applicant would be forced to fill in the web-application, and given that all that is needed to "customise" the form is one extra line for the signature, I don't even think that the council would need to be involved in the process of sending out an additional hard-copy in cases when needed, as this would be handled by the secretariat.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:52 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: RE: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Gabi,
I remember that the need for the special form that you can see here was partly the reason for making the fax or hard copy form available.
It helps or enables Council to avoid having to approve a special form on a country by country basis as may be necessary for a "taloired solution".
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD domains@registrar.mw http://www.registrar.mw
On 23 Oct 2008 at 1:27, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
I am quite sure that if that is a requirement, the potential applicant will contact me and we can offer a tailored solution - I can provide them with a special form that is based on the web-application form, with an additional line for signing the application.
However, I would like to make it compulsory to fill in the web-application form, as this is the only way to safely store all data.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:09 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: RE: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Gabi,
It may be necessary to revisit the reasons for originally putting in place the fax or hard copy form before deleting this procedure.
I vaguely remember that this fax or hard copy form or procedure was put in place in addition to the online form in order to assist those ccTLDs and/or countries who require a formally signed application or document to satisfy their national laws.
It may as well be that more and more countries now officially recognise the online application as legally binding but does that now cover everyone globally?
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw
On 23 Oct 2008 at 0:49, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
I've been with the ccNSO since January 2007, so I can only present data from then - during my time we only had one fax application.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:24 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Seems like a good idea but before I indicate my vote I would like to find out how rare these fax applications have been over, say, the last two years. Could the ccNSO Secratariat present some data?
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw
On 22 Oct 2008 at 5:01, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Great, as long as the need for the special form is recognised and exceptions can be handled properly. Regards, Paulos On 23 Oct 2008 at 6:57, Patricio Poblete wrote:
Paulos,
Gabi's suggestion about how to handle the exceptions sounds very reasonable to me.
Patricio
Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
Obviously, the need of a fax hard copy-option was not as great as anticipated, since it is hardly used - and my feeling is that it would have been used even less, if there was no fax option.
Given that fax applications are extremely rare, I would personally prefer to send out an additional customised form (as an addition to the web-form) when needed, over not having a proper archiving system.
If the applicant would be forced to fill in the web-application, and given that all that is needed to "customise" the form is one extra line for the signature, I don't even think that the council would need to be involved in the process of sending out an additional hard-copy in cases when needed, as this would be handled by the secretariat.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:52 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: RE: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Gabi,
I remember that the need for the special form that you can see here was partly the reason for making the fax or hard copy form available.
It helps or enables Council to avoid having to approve a special form on a country by country basis as may be necessary for a "taloired solution".
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD domains@registrar.mw http://www.registrar.mw
On 23 Oct 2008 at 1:27, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
I am quite sure that if that is a requirement, the potential applicant will contact me and we can offer a tailored solution - I can provide them with a special form that is based on the web-application form, with an additional line for signing the application.
However, I would like to make it compulsory to fill in the web-application form, as this is the only way to safely store all data.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:09 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: RE: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Gabi,
It may be necessary to revisit the reasons for originally putting in place the fax or hard copy form before deleting this procedure.
I vaguely remember that this fax or hard copy form or procedure was put in place in addition to the online form in order to assist those ccTLDs and/or countries who require a formally signed application or document to satisfy their national laws.
It may as well be that more and more countries now officially recognise the online application as legally binding but does that now cover everyone globally?
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw
On 23 Oct 2008 at 0:49, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Paulos,
I've been with the ccNSO since January 2007, so I can only present data from then - during my time we only had one fax application.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda [mailto:paulos@sdnp.org.mw] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:24 AM To: Gabriella Schittek; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Seems like a good idea but before I indicate my vote I would like to find out how rare these fax applications have been over, say, the last two years. Could the ccNSO Secratariat present some data?
Regards,
Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw
On 22 Oct 2008 at 5:01, Gabriella Schittek wrote:
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
Hi Gabi, In principle I would approve that of course. However, could you remind how we check that the application is coming from a ccTLD manager ? And how we check that there is no forged in applications (aka : which security is implemented in the application process) ? In short, what's the process flow for application behind this: http://ccnso.icann.org/cgi/application.cgi ? Thanks, --- Olivier le mercredi 22 octobre à 05 H 01 , Gabriella Schittek a ecrit :
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
-- Olivier
Olivier, We check the data in the applications against the data in the IANA database. When we see that the data is corresponding to what's in the database, we're asking IANA for confirmation that they don't have any outstanding issues with the ccTLD. We also send an email to the applicant confirming the receipt of the application (the email is sent to the address stated in the application) and inform them that the council will now vote on the application (if IANA confirms that they have no issues with the ccTLD). This also gives the applicant a chance to protest, should the application have been forged in his/her name. In some cases, where we see that only some part of the data is correct, we write to the applicant and ask for clarification. Mostly it's based on a misunderstanding and leads to that we ask them to resend the application with the corrected data. Their first application will then be marked in the database with "NAR" (New Application Required). We receive a lot of spam or bogus applications as well - this is mostly very obvious - then we don't follow any process, only change the status in the archives from "New" to "Sus.Spam". I hope this clarifies, Gabi -----Original Message----- From: Olivier Guillard / AFNIC [mailto:Olivier.Guillard@nic.fr] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:30 AM To: Gabriella Schittek Cc: ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications Hi Gabi, In principle I would approve that of course. However, could you remind how we check that the application is coming from a ccTLD manager ? And how we check that there is no forged in applications (aka : which security is implemented in the application process) ? In short, what's the process flow for application behind this: http://ccnso.icann.org/cgi/application.cgi ? Thanks, --- Olivier le mercredi 22 octobre à 05 H 01 , Gabriella Schittek a ecrit :
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
-- Olivier
Thanks Gabi, sounds very reasonable to me. Last thing : when the mails of the applicant doesn't come from the ccTLD manager e-mails as registered in the IANA database, is there a request for approval sent to tld-admin and tech-admin e-mails registered in IANA database ? Best le jeudi 23 octobre à 00 H 46 , Gabriella Schittek a ecrit :
Olivier,
We check the data in the applications against the data in the IANA database. When we see that the data is corresponding to what's in the database, we're asking IANA for confirmation that they don't have any outstanding issues with the ccTLD. We also send an email to the applicant confirming the receipt of the application (the email is sent to the address stated in the application) and inform them that the council will now vote on the application (if IANA confirms that they have no issues with the ccTLD). This also gives the applicant a chance to protest, should the application have been forged in his/her name.
In some cases, where we see that only some part of the data is correct, we write to the applicant and ask for clarification. Mostly it's based on a misunderstanding and leads to that we ask them to resend the application with the corrected data. Their first application will then be marked in the database with "NAR" (New Application Required).
We receive a lot of spam or bogus applications as well - this is mostly very obvious - then we don't follow any process, only change the status in the archives from "New" to "Sus.Spam".
I hope this clarifies,
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Olivier Guillard / AFNIC [mailto:Olivier.Guillard@nic.fr] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:30 AM To: Gabriella Schittek Cc: ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Hi Gabi,
In principle I would approve that of course.
However, could you remind how we check that the application is coming from a ccTLD manager ? And how we check that there is no forged in applications (aka : which security is implemented in the application process) ?
In short, what's the process flow for application behind this: http://ccnso.icann.org/cgi/application.cgi ?
Thanks,
--- Olivier
le mercredi 22 octobre à 05 H 01 , Gabriella Schittek a ecrit :
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
-- Olivier
-- Olivier
No, we only reply to the email address that is stated in the application and ask for clarification, in case such is needed. If it doesn't get clarified, the application is not considered valid. Gabi -----Original Message----- From: Olivier Guillard / AFNIC [mailto:Olivier.Guillard@nic.fr] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:55 AM To: Gabriella Schittek Cc: Olivier Guillard / AFNIC; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications Thanks Gabi, sounds very reasonable to me. Last thing : when the mails of the applicant doesn't come from the ccTLD manager e-mails as registered in the IANA database, is there a request for approval sent to tld-admin and tech-admin e-mails registered in IANA database ? Best le jeudi 23 octobre à 00 H 46 , Gabriella Schittek a ecrit :
Olivier,
We check the data in the applications against the data in the IANA database. When we see that the data is corresponding to what's in the database, we're asking IANA for confirmation that they don't have any outstanding issues with the ccTLD. We also send an email to the applicant confirming the receipt of the application (the email is sent to the address stated in the application) and inform them that the council will now vote on the application (if IANA confirms that they have no issues with the ccTLD). This also gives the applicant a chance to protest, should the application have been forged in his/her name.
In some cases, where we see that only some part of the data is correct, we write to the applicant and ask for clarification. Mostly it's based on a misunderstanding and leads to that we ask them to resend the application with the corrected data. Their first application will then be marked in the database with "NAR" (New Application Required).
We receive a lot of spam or bogus applications as well - this is mostly very obvious - then we don't follow any process, only change the status in the archives from "New" to "Sus.Spam".
I hope this clarifies,
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Olivier Guillard / AFNIC [mailto:Olivier.Guillard@nic.fr] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:30 AM To: Gabriella Schittek Cc: ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Hi Gabi,
In principle I would approve that of course.
However, could you remind how we check that the application is coming from a ccTLD manager ? And how we check that there is no forged in applications (aka : which security is implemented in the application process) ?
In short, what's the process flow for application behind this: http://ccnso.icann.org/cgi/application.cgi ?
Thanks,
--- Olivier
le mercredi 22 octobre à 05 H 01 , Gabriella Schittek a ecrit :
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
-- Olivier
-- Olivier
Thanks Gab, I approve to withdraw fax Suggestion : add a systematic mail to be sent to IANA tech and IANA admin e-mails at the end of your process flow, each time when a ccnso application as been approved, and also keep an archive of that mail (and responses if you have any, including "mail delivery failure or issues" when that happen) Best --- Olivier le jeudi 23 octobre à 01 H 46 , Gabriella Schittek a ecrit :
No, we only reply to the email address that is stated in the application and ask for clarification, in case such is needed. If it doesn't get clarified, the application is not considered valid.
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Olivier Guillard / AFNIC [mailto:Olivier.Guillard@nic.fr] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:55 AM To: Gabriella Schittek Cc: Olivier Guillard / AFNIC; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Thanks Gabi, sounds very reasonable to me.
Last thing : when the mails of the applicant doesn't come from the ccTLD manager e-mails as registered in the IANA database, is there a request for approval sent to tld-admin and tech-admin e-mails registered in IANA database ?
Best
le jeudi 23 octobre à 00 H 46 , Gabriella Schittek a ecrit :
Olivier,
We check the data in the applications against the data in the IANA database. When we see that the data is corresponding to what's in the database, we're asking IANA for confirmation that they don't have any outstanding issues with the ccTLD. We also send an email to the applicant confirming the receipt of the application (the email is sent to the address stated in the application) and inform them that the council will now vote on the application (if IANA confirms that they have no issues with the ccTLD). This also gives the applicant a chance to protest, should the application have been forged in his/her name.
In some cases, where we see that only some part of the data is correct, we write to the applicant and ask for clarification. Mostly it's based on a misunderstanding and leads to that we ask them to resend the application with the corrected data. Their first application will then be marked in the database with "NAR" (New Application Required).
We receive a lot of spam or bogus applications as well - this is mostly very obvious - then we don't follow any process, only change the status in the archives from "New" to "Sus.Spam".
I hope this clarifies,
Gabi
-----Original Message----- From: Olivier Guillard / AFNIC [mailto:Olivier.Guillard@nic.fr] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:30 AM To: Gabriella Schittek Cc: ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] Acceptance of fax applications
Hi Gabi,
In principle I would approve that of course.
However, could you remind how we check that the application is coming from a ccTLD manager ? And how we check that there is no forged in applications (aka : which security is implemented in the application process) ?
In short, what's the process flow for application behind this: http://ccnso.icann.org/cgi/application.cgi ?
Thanks,
--- Olivier
le mercredi 22 octobre à 05 H 01 , Gabriella Schittek a ecrit :
Dear Councillors,
An action point from the last Council call was "Action 34-05: The ccNSO Secretariat to send out a summary of the request on ending fax applications to the ccNSO Council list where it will be subject to voting."
I would like to ask for your approval to end the acceptance of fax applications to the ccNSO.
The main reason is that it is problematic to archive such applications. The fax is received in Marina del Rey, needs to be forwarded to me and then there is no real good archiving system for that. The applications submitted via the webform are automatically archived in our web-archives.
I also think that the applicants are skilled enough to fill in the (very basic) web form, and last, but not least - fax applications are quite rare anyway.
Please, can you send your approval/disapproval to this suggestion to this list by next Wednesday, 29th October 2008.
Thanks,
Gabi
-- Olivier
-- Olivier
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