Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Dear GNSO Council members, Please see attached the draft assignment forms for: * DNS Abuse Small Team * Accuracy Small Team The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting. Kind regards, Feodora Hamza Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: +32 496 30 24 15 Email: feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org> Website: www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org>
Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool? Thanks all. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council <council@icann.org> wrote:
Dear GNSO Council members,
Please see attached the draft assignment forms for:
- DNS Abuse Small Team - Accuracy Small Team
The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting.
Kind regards,
*Feodora Hamza*
Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO)
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
* Mobile:* +32 496 30 24 15
*Email:* feodora.hamza@icann.org
*Website:* www.icann.org
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Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team. From: Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org> Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM To: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org> Cc: council@icann.org Subject: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool? Thanks all. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> wrote: Dear GNSO Council members, Please see attached the draft assignment forms for: * DNS Abuse Small Team * Accuracy Small Team The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting. Kind regards, Feodora Hamza Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: +32 496 30 24 15 Email: feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org> Website: www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org/> _______________________________________________ council mailing list -- council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to council-leave@icann.org<mailto:council-leave@icann.org> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. This email originated from outside the firm. Please use caution.
Thanks Paul. Of course the SSAD is considered "unimplementable" and the future of RDRS is uncertain so it does strike me as relevant to the topic of DNS ABuse measures that Council should be taking into account. I do think the Small Team should be looking at the "big picture".. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 8:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team.
*From:* Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org> *Sent:* Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM *To:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org> *Cc:* council@icann.org *Subject:* [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool?
Thanks all.
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council < council@icann.org> wrote:
Dear GNSO Council members,
Please see attached the draft assignment forms for:
- DNS Abuse Small Team - Accuracy Small Team
The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting.
Kind regards,
*Feodora Hamza*
Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO)
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
* Mobile:* +32 496 30 24 15
*Email:* feodora.hamza@icann.org
*Website:* www.icann.org
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Thanks Anne. I hadn’t realized that the Board made a final decision that the SSAD is unimplementable and the Council Recommendations had been rejected. Can you point me to the Board’s resolution? Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 8:21 AM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thanks Paul. Of course the SSAD is considered "unimplementable" and the future of RDRS is uncertain so it does strike me as relevant to the topic of DNS ABuse measures that Council should be taking into account. I do think the Small Team should be looking at the "big picture".. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 8:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team. From: Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM To: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>> Cc: council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool? Thanks all. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> wrote: Dear GNSO Council members, Please see attached the draft assignment forms for: * DNS Abuse Small Team * Accuracy Small Team The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting. Kind regards, Feodora Hamza Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: +32 496 30 24 15 Email: feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org> Website: www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org/> _______________________________________________ council mailing list -- council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to council-leave@icann.org<mailto:council-leave@icann.org> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. This email originated from outside the firm. Please use caution. This email originated from outside the firm. Please use caution.
OR maybe point you to the ongoing lack of implementation of SSAD and the actual (at least temporary) continuation of RDRS ? (which you and I both support!). I always appreciate your sense of humor! You make me chuckle. ;-) Technically RDRS is "experimental" but does anyone really think SSAD is still alive anywhere on any real agenda? Are you suggesting RDRS (as a mitigation tool) is out of scope for the DNS Abuse Small Team? Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 7:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. I hadn’t realized that the Board made a final decision that the SSAD is unimplementable and the Council Recommendations had been rejected. Can you point me to the Board’s resolution?
Best,
Paul
*From:* Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> *Sent:* Sunday, April 6, 2025 8:21 AM *To:* Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Thanks Paul. Of course the SSAD is considered "unimplementable" and the future of RDRS is uncertain so it does strike me as relevant to the topic of DNS ABuse measures that Council should be taking into account. I do think the Small Team should be looking at the "big picture"..
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 8:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team.
*From:* Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org> *Sent:* Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM *To:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org> *Cc:* council@icann.org *Subject:* [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool?
Thanks all.
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council < council@icann.org> wrote:
Dear GNSO Council members,
Please see attached the draft assignment forms for:
- DNS Abuse Small Team - Accuracy Small Team
The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting.
Kind regards,
*Feodora Hamza*
Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO)
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
* Mobile:* +32 496 30 24 15
*Email:* feodora.hamza@icann.org
*Website:* www.icann.org
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Hi Anne, I’m not suggesting it is out of scope. I am pointing out that the Board is still considering the SSAD recommendations and will take into account the final report of the RDRS team. At that point, the Board will either accept the SSAD Recommendations, reject them (and trigger Council’s ability to supplement), or come to the Council proactively before rejecting them to work with us in some what they see fit. Either way, the DNS Abuse Small Team looks to be the wrong place for all of that work to land and is a distraction what we all talked about the team doing. Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 7:25 PM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams OR maybe point you to the ongoing lack of implementation of SSAD and the actual (at least temporary) continuation of RDRS ? (which you and I both support!). I always appreciate your sense of humor! You make me chuckle. ;-) Technically RDRS is "experimental" but does anyone really think SSAD is still alive anywhere on any real agenda? Are you suggesting RDRS (as a mitigation tool) is out of scope for the DNS Abuse Small Team? Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 7:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. I hadn’t realized that the Board made a final decision that the SSAD is unimplementable and the Council Recommendations had been rejected. Can you point me to the Board’s resolution? Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 8:21 AM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>>; council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thanks Paul. Of course the SSAD is considered "unimplementable" and the future of RDRS is uncertain so it does strike me as relevant to the topic of DNS ABuse measures that Council should be taking into account. I do think the Small Team should be looking at the "big picture".. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 8:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team. From: Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM To: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>> Cc: council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool? Thanks all. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> wrote: Dear GNSO Council members, Please see attached the draft assignment forms for: * DNS Abuse Small Team * Accuracy Small Team The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting. Kind regards, Feodora Hamza Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: +32 496 30 24 15 Email: feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org> Website: www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org/> _______________________________________________ council mailing list -- council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to council-leave@icann.org<mailto:council-leave@icann.org> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Hi Paul. I don't see the Board suddenly deciding to implement SSAD. Based on the report from RDRS, it appears likely the "experiment" will be continued WITHOUT any push from the commmunity (or action by the Board) for Supplemental Recommendations to be developed. But maybe Council should be pushing for the RDRS to become a formal Supplemental Recommendation with improvements to be recommended by a Council Small Team? If so, it strikes me that the DNS Abuse Small Team is the PERFECT place for this work to occur. The pace of ICANN work and the "silos" of development of work are frustrating to governments and to the private sector. Can't the Council look at ways to make this more efficient and to move more quickly to address concerns? Can't we talk to the Board about how to get this work done more quickly? RDRS needs to be improved. Ignoring this in a DNS Abuse Small Team Assignment Form is short-sighted. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:33 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Hi Anne,
I’m not suggesting it is out of scope. I am pointing out that the Board is still considering the SSAD recommendations and will take into account the final report of the RDRS team. At that point, the Board will either accept the SSAD Recommendations, reject them (and trigger Council’s ability to supplement), or come to the Council proactively before rejecting them to work with us in some what they see fit. Either way, the DNS Abuse Small Team looks to be the wrong place for all of that work to land and is a distraction what we all talked about the team doing.
Best,
Paul
*From:* Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> *Sent:* Sunday, April 6, 2025 7:25 PM *To:* Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
OR maybe point you to the ongoing lack of implementation of SSAD and the actual (at least temporary) continuation of RDRS ? (which you and I both support!). I always appreciate your sense of humor! You make me chuckle. ;-)
Technically RDRS is "experimental" but does anyone really think SSAD is still alive anywhere on any real agenda?
Are you suggesting RDRS (as a mitigation tool) is out of scope for the DNS Abuse Small Team?
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 7:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. I hadn’t realized that the Board made a final decision that the SSAD is unimplementable and the Council Recommendations had been rejected. Can you point me to the Board’s resolution?
Best,
Paul
*From:* Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> *Sent:* Sunday, April 6, 2025 8:21 AM *To:* Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Thanks Paul. Of course the SSAD is considered "unimplementable" and the future of RDRS is uncertain so it does strike me as relevant to the topic of DNS ABuse measures that Council should be taking into account. I do think the Small Team should be looking at the "big picture"..
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 8:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team.
*From:* Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org> *Sent:* Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM *To:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org> *Cc:* council@icann.org *Subject:* [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool?
Thanks all.
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council < council@icann.org> wrote:
Dear GNSO Council members,
Please see attached the draft assignment forms for:
- DNS Abuse Small Team - Accuracy Small Team
The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting.
Kind regards,
*Feodora Hamza*
Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO)
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
* Mobile:* +32 496 30 24 15
*Email:* feodora.hamza@icann.org
*Website:* www.icann.org
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Thanks Anne. I always appreciate your perspective. I happen to think that the DNS Small Team can do a lot of good things to evolve the DNS Abuse discussion within the community. But if the Council wants it to be all-consumed by the RDRS, which it most certainly would be, I’m on board with whatever the Council decides. I don’t think I’m shortsighted just because I think that DNS Abuse and the RDRS are both worthy of resourcing, but I’m open minded about my shortcomings… Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 7, 2025 10:45 AM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Hi Paul. I don't see the Board suddenly deciding to implement SSAD. Based on the report from RDRS, it appears likely the "experiment" will be continued WITHOUT any push from the commmunity (or action by the Board) for Supplemental Recommendations to be developed. But maybe Council should be pushing for the RDRS to become a formal Supplemental Recommendation with improvements to be recommended by a Council Small Team? If so, it strikes me that the DNS Abuse Small Team is the PERFECT place for this work to occur. The pace of ICANN work and the "silos" of development of work are frustrating to governments and to the private sector. Can't the Council look at ways to make this more efficient and to move more quickly to address concerns? Can't we talk to the Board about how to get this work done more quickly? RDRS needs to be improved. Ignoring this in a DNS Abuse Small Team Assignment Form is short-sighted. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:33 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Hi Anne, I’m not suggesting it is out of scope. I am pointing out that the Board is still considering the SSAD recommendations and will take into account the final report of the RDRS team. At that point, the Board will either accept the SSAD Recommendations, reject them (and trigger Council’s ability to supplement), or come to the Council proactively before rejecting them to work with us in some what they see fit. Either way, the DNS Abuse Small Team looks to be the wrong place for all of that work to land and is a distraction what we all talked about the team doing. Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 7:25 PM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>>; council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams OR maybe point you to the ongoing lack of implementation of SSAD and the actual (at least temporary) continuation of RDRS ? (which you and I both support!). I always appreciate your sense of humor! You make me chuckle. ;-) Technically RDRS is "experimental" but does anyone really think SSAD is still alive anywhere on any real agenda? Are you suggesting RDRS (as a mitigation tool) is out of scope for the DNS Abuse Small Team? Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 7:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. I hadn’t realized that the Board made a final decision that the SSAD is unimplementable and the Council Recommendations had been rejected. Can you point me to the Board’s resolution? Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 8:21 AM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>>; council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thanks Paul. Of course the SSAD is considered "unimplementable" and the future of RDRS is uncertain so it does strike me as relevant to the topic of DNS ABuse measures that Council should be taking into account. I do think the Small Team should be looking at the "big picture".. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 8:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team. From: Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM To: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>> Cc: council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool? Thanks all. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> wrote: Dear GNSO Council members, Please see attached the draft assignment forms for: * DNS Abuse Small Team * Accuracy Small Team The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting. Kind regards, Feodora Hamza Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: +32 496 30 24 15 Email: feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org> Website: www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org/> _______________________________________________ council mailing list -- council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to council-leave@icann.org<mailto:council-leave@icann.org> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Thanks Paul - probably just a different point of view about the value of coordinating the two efforts you describe - seeking to move more quickly and to avoid conflicting outcomes, e.g. Small Team says - but wait - isn't RDRS addressing X? Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:52 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. I always appreciate your perspective. I happen to think that the DNS Small Team can do a lot of good things to evolve the DNS Abuse discussion within the community. But if the Council wants it to be all-consumed by the RDRS, which it most certainly would be, I’m on board with whatever the Council decides. I don’t think I’m shortsighted just because I think that DNS Abuse and the RDRS are both worthy of resourcing, but I’m open minded about my shortcomings…
Best,
Paul
*From:* Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, April 7, 2025 10:45 AM *To:* Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Hi Paul. I don't see the Board suddenly deciding to implement SSAD. Based on the report from RDRS, it appears likely the "experiment" will be continued WITHOUT any push from the commmunity (or action by the Board) for Supplemental Recommendations to be developed. But maybe Council should be pushing for the RDRS to become a formal Supplemental Recommendation with improvements to be recommended by a Council Small Team? If so, it strikes me that the DNS Abuse Small Team is the PERFECT place for this work to occur.
The pace of ICANN work and the "silos" of development of work are frustrating to governments and to the private sector. Can't the Council look at ways to make this more efficient and to move more quickly to address concerns? Can't we talk to the Board about how to get this work done more quickly? RDRS needs to be improved. Ignoring this in a DNS Abuse Small Team Assignment Form is short-sighted.
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:33 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Hi Anne,
I’m not suggesting it is out of scope. I am pointing out that the Board is still considering the SSAD recommendations and will take into account the final report of the RDRS team. At that point, the Board will either accept the SSAD Recommendations, reject them (and trigger Council’s ability to supplement), or come to the Council proactively before rejecting them to work with us in some what they see fit. Either way, the DNS Abuse Small Team looks to be the wrong place for all of that work to land and is a distraction what we all talked about the team doing.
Best,
Paul
*From:* Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> *Sent:* Sunday, April 6, 2025 7:25 PM *To:* Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
OR maybe point you to the ongoing lack of implementation of SSAD and the actual (at least temporary) continuation of RDRS ? (which you and I both support!). I always appreciate your sense of humor! You make me chuckle. ;-)
Technically RDRS is "experimental" but does anyone really think SSAD is still alive anywhere on any real agenda?
Are you suggesting RDRS (as a mitigation tool) is out of scope for the DNS Abuse Small Team?
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 7:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. I hadn’t realized that the Board made a final decision that the SSAD is unimplementable and the Council Recommendations had been rejected. Can you point me to the Board’s resolution?
Best,
Paul
*From:* Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> *Sent:* Sunday, April 6, 2025 8:21 AM *To:* Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Thanks Paul. Of course the SSAD is considered "unimplementable" and the future of RDRS is uncertain so it does strike me as relevant to the topic of DNS ABuse measures that Council should be taking into account. I do think the Small Team should be looking at the "big picture"..
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 8:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team.
*From:* Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org> *Sent:* Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM *To:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org> *Cc:* council@icann.org *Subject:* [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool?
Thanks all.
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council < council@icann.org> wrote:
Dear GNSO Council members,
Please see attached the draft assignment forms for:
- DNS Abuse Small Team - Accuracy Small Team
The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting.
Kind regards,
*Feodora Hamza*
Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO)
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
* Mobile:* +32 496 30 24 15
*Email:* feodora.hamza@icann.org
*Website:* www.icann.org
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Hi Anne and Paul. While I appreciate both your perspectives, I just wanted to remind everyone that DNS Abuse mitigation and RDRS disclosure requests and related process are separate topics and should not be conflated with one another; RDRS requests are not part of the DNS Abuse mitigation process. I'm sure it doesn't need to be stated, but I wanted to ensure that someone mentioned this. Also, I'll add that the RDRS report from the Standing Committee is still being drafted and isn't with us in Council yet, I think it's expected just before ICANN83. Best, Prudence Malinki Head of Industry Relations, Markmonitor Skype: Malinkip T +44 207 433 4869 Time zone: GMT/BST From: Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org> Sent: 07 April 2025 16:55 To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> Cc: council@icann.org Subject: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams [CAUTION External Email] Thanks Paul - probably just a different point of view about the value of coordinating the two efforts you describe - seeking to move more quickly and to avoid conflicting outcomes, e.g. Small Team says - but wait - isn't RDRS addressing X? Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:52 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. I always appreciate your perspective. I happen to think that the DNS Small Team can do a lot of good things to evolve the DNS Abuse discussion within the community. But if the Council wants it to be all-consumed by the RDRS, which it most certainly would be, I’m on board with whatever the Council decides. I don’t think I’m shortsighted just because I think that DNS Abuse and the RDRS are both worthy of resourcing, but I’m open minded about my shortcomings… Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com>> Sent: Monday, April 7, 2025 10:45 AM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>>; council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Hi Paul. I don't see the Board suddenly deciding to implement SSAD. Based on the report from RDRS, it appears likely the "experiment" will be continued WITHOUT any push from the commmunity (or action by the Board) for Supplemental Recommendations to be developed. But maybe Council should be pushing for the RDRS to become a formal Supplemental Recommendation with improvements to be recommended by a Council Small Team? If so, it strikes me that the DNS Abuse Small Team is the PERFECT place for this work to occur. The pace of ICANN work and the "silos" of development of work are frustrating to governments and to the private sector. Can't the Council look at ways to make this more efficient and to move more quickly to address concerns? Can't we talk to the Board about how to get this work done more quickly? RDRS needs to be improved. Ignoring this in a DNS Abuse Small Team Assignment Form is short-sighted. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:33 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Hi Anne, I’m not suggesting it is out of scope. I am pointing out that the Board is still considering the SSAD recommendations and will take into account the final report of the RDRS team. At that point, the Board will either accept the SSAD Recommendations, reject them (and trigger Council’s ability to supplement), or come to the Council proactively before rejecting them to work with us in some what they see fit. Either way, the DNS Abuse Small Team looks to be the wrong place for all of that work to land and is a distraction what we all talked about the team doing. Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 7:25 PM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>>; council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams OR maybe point you to the ongoing lack of implementation of SSAD and the actual (at least temporary) continuation of RDRS ? (which you and I both support!). I always appreciate your sense of humor! You make me chuckle. ;-) Technically RDRS is "experimental" but does anyone really think SSAD is still alive anywhere on any real agenda? Are you suggesting RDRS (as a mitigation tool) is out of scope for the DNS Abuse Small Team? Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 7:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. I hadn’t realized that the Board made a final decision that the SSAD is unimplementable and the Council Recommendations had been rejected. Can you point me to the Board’s resolution? Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 8:21 AM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>>; council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thanks Paul. Of course the SSAD is considered "unimplementable" and the future of RDRS is uncertain so it does strike me as relevant to the topic of DNS ABuse measures that Council should be taking into account. I do think the Small Team should be looking at the "big picture".. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 8:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team. From: Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM To: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>> Cc: council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool? Thanks all. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> wrote: Dear GNSO Council members, Please see attached the draft assignment forms for: * DNS Abuse Small Team * Accuracy Small Team The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting. Kind regards, Feodora Hamza Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: +32 496 30 24 15 Email: feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org> Website: www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org/> _______________________________________________ council mailing list -- council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to council-leave@icann.org<mailto:council-leave@icann.org> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Thanks Prudence. I completely agree. There is an expectation that the RDRS standing team may still have a role or be morphed into something else. Anne’s suggestion that we do away with the RDRS team (which is a Council team, not an independent unit like a PDP or IRT) and redirect that work to the DNS Abuse team just seems like dismantling something that is working in favor of overloading something we are re-starting. As before, I will yield to the will of the Council, but I don’t think Anne’s suggested approach fits the strategy we need. Best, Paul From: Prudence Malinki <prudence.malinki@markmonitor.com> Sent: Monday, April 7, 2025 2:52 PM To: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com>; Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> Cc: council@icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Hi Anne and Paul. While I appreciate both your perspectives, I just wanted to remind everyone that DNS Abuse mitigation and RDRS disclosure requests and related process are separate topics and should not be conflated with one another; RDRS requests are not part of the DNS Abuse mitigation process. I'm sure it doesn't need to be stated, but I wanted to ensure that someone mentioned this. Also, I'll add that the RDRS report from the Standing Committee is still being drafted and isn't with us in Council yet, I think it's expected just before ICANN83. Best, Prudence Malinki Head of Industry Relations, Markmonitor Skype: Malinkip T +44 207 433 4869 Time zone: GMT/BST From: Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> Sent: 07 April 2025 16:55 To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> Cc: council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams [CAUTION External Email] Thanks Paul - probably just a different point of view about the value of coordinating the two efforts you describe - seeking to move more quickly and to avoid conflicting outcomes, e.g. Small Team says - but wait - isn't RDRS addressing X? Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:52 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. I always appreciate your perspective. I happen to think that the DNS Small Team can do a lot of good things to evolve the DNS Abuse discussion within the community. But if the Council wants it to be all-consumed by the RDRS, which it most certainly would be, I’m on board with whatever the Council decides. I don’t think I’m shortsighted just because I think that DNS Abuse and the RDRS are both worthy of resourcing, but I’m open minded about my shortcomings… Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com>> Sent: Monday, April 7, 2025 10:45 AM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>>; council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Hi Paul. I don't see the Board suddenly deciding to implement SSAD. Based on the report from RDRS, it appears likely the "experiment" will be continued WITHOUT any push from the commmunity (or action by the Board) for Supplemental Recommendations to be developed. But maybe Council should be pushing for the RDRS to become a formal Supplemental Recommendation with improvements to be recommended by a Council Small Team? If so, it strikes me that the DNS Abuse Small Team is the PERFECT place for this work to occur. The pace of ICANN work and the "silos" of development of work are frustrating to governments and to the private sector. Can't the Council look at ways to make this more efficient and to move more quickly to address concerns? Can't we talk to the Board about how to get this work done more quickly? RDRS needs to be improved. Ignoring this in a DNS Abuse Small Team Assignment Form is short-sighted. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:33 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Hi Anne, I’m not suggesting it is out of scope. I am pointing out that the Board is still considering the SSAD recommendations and will take into account the final report of the RDRS team. At that point, the Board will either accept the SSAD Recommendations, reject them (and trigger Council’s ability to supplement), or come to the Council proactively before rejecting them to work with us in some what they see fit. Either way, the DNS Abuse Small Team looks to be the wrong place for all of that work to land and is a distraction what we all talked about the team doing. Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 7:25 PM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>>; council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams OR maybe point you to the ongoing lack of implementation of SSAD and the actual (at least temporary) continuation of RDRS ? (which you and I both support!). I always appreciate your sense of humor! You make me chuckle. ;-) Technically RDRS is "experimental" but does anyone really think SSAD is still alive anywhere on any real agenda? Are you suggesting RDRS (as a mitigation tool) is out of scope for the DNS Abuse Small Team? Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 7:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. I hadn’t realized that the Board made a final decision that the SSAD is unimplementable and the Council Recommendations had been rejected. Can you point me to the Board’s resolution? Best, Paul From: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 8:21 AM To: Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> Cc: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>>; council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thanks Paul. Of course the SSAD is considered "unimplementable" and the future of RDRS is uncertain so it does strike me as relevant to the topic of DNS ABuse measures that Council should be taking into account. I do think the Small Team should be looking at the "big picture".. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 8:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com<mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com>> wrote: Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team. From: Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM To: Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org<mailto:feodora.hamza@icann.org>> Cc: council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org> Subject: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool? Thanks all. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com<mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council <council@icann.org<mailto:council@icann.org>> wrote: Dear GNSO Council members, Please see attached the draft assignment forms for: * DNS Abuse Small Team * Accuracy Small Team The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting. 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Thanks Prudence and Paul, Certainly was not suggesting "dismantling" the RDRS Standing Committee. I think Recommendation 18.1 of the Final Report mandates the Standing Committee and was adopted even though SSAD was not implemented. I view the SC's remit as a bit more limited than a small team as shown below. Certainly its Recommendations to Council will be quite valuable. I guess I see the RDRS and DNS Abuse being related based on the reported experience of those filing claims in the RDRS system. (I am retired and haven't filed any.) Very interested in Paul's suggestions re Supplemental Recommendations after Board action but I doubt those could take place in the RDRS Standing Committee given its limited remit. Personally, I don't view RDRS and DNS Abuse as unrelated, but I defer to those with more experience with the RDRS system. Thanks for your thoughtful discussion. If RDRS is "out of scope" for the DNS Abuse team in its discussion of "mitigation tools", we should probably say so directly in the Small Team Assignment Form. Anne RDRS Standing Committee - The Standing Committee is tasked to review the data that will be produced by ICANN org on a monthly basis following the launch of the RDRS. The Scoping Team is expected to analyze the data and consider: - Assignment #1. Trends that can be identified over a month-by-month period; - Assignment #2. Possible technical updates* that should be considered to RDRS and/or related messaging and promotion (recognizing that the RDRS will only be running for a two-year period and limited resources may be available to implement such updates); - Assignment #3. Specific lessons learned that should be factored into the consideration of how to proceed with the SSAD recommendations; - Assignment #4. Suggestions to the Council for a proposed recommendation(s) to the ICANN Board in relation to the consideration of the SSAD recommendations** Please find the RDRS Standing Committee Charter for more information: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/draft/draft-rdrs-stan... Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026 anneicanngnso@gmail.com On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 1:41 PM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Prudence. I completely agree. There is an expectation that the RDRS standing team may still have a role or be morphed into something else. Anne’s suggestion that we do away with the RDRS team (which is a Council team, not an independent unit like a PDP or IRT) and redirect that work to the DNS Abuse team just seems like dismantling something that is working in favor of overloading something we are re-starting. As before, I will yield to the will of the Council, but I don’t think Anne’s suggested approach fits the strategy we need.
Best,
Paul
*From:* Prudence Malinki <prudence.malinki@markmonitor.com> *Sent:* Monday, April 7, 2025 2:52 PM *To:* Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com>; Paul McGrady < paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* council@icann.org *Subject:* RE: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Hi Anne and Paul.
While I appreciate both your perspectives, I just wanted to remind everyone that DNS Abuse mitigation and RDRS disclosure requests and related process are separate topics and should not be conflated with one another; RDRS requests are not part of the DNS Abuse mitigation process. I'm sure it doesn't need to be stated, but I wanted to ensure that someone mentioned this. Also, I'll add that the RDRS report from the Standing Committee is still being drafted and isn't with us in Council yet, I think it's expected just before ICANN83.
Best,
*Prudence Malinki*
Head of Industry Relations, Markmonitor
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*From:* Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org> *Sent:* 07 April 2025 16:55 *To:* Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* council@icann.org *Subject:* [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
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Thanks Paul - probably just a different point of view about the value of coordinating the two efforts you describe - seeking to move more quickly and to avoid conflicting outcomes, e.g. Small Team says - but wait - isn't RDRS addressing X?
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:52 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. I always appreciate your perspective. I happen to think that the DNS Small Team can do a lot of good things to evolve the DNS Abuse discussion within the community. But if the Council wants it to be all-consumed by the RDRS, which it most certainly would be, I’m on board with whatever the Council decides. I don’t think I’m shortsighted just because I think that DNS Abuse and the RDRS are both worthy of resourcing, but I’m open minded about my shortcomings…
Best,
Paul
*From:* Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, April 7, 2025 10:45 AM *To:* Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Hi Paul. I don't see the Board suddenly deciding to implement SSAD. Based on the report from RDRS, it appears likely the "experiment" will be continued WITHOUT any push from the commmunity (or action by the Board) for Supplemental Recommendations to be developed. But maybe Council should be pushing for the RDRS to become a formal Supplemental Recommendation with improvements to be recommended by a Council Small Team? If so, it strikes me that the DNS Abuse Small Team is the PERFECT place for this work to occur.
The pace of ICANN work and the "silos" of development of work are frustrating to governments and to the private sector. Can't the Council look at ways to make this more efficient and to move more quickly to address concerns? Can't we talk to the Board about how to get this work done more quickly? RDRS needs to be improved. Ignoring this in a DNS Abuse Small Team Assignment Form is short-sighted.
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:33 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Hi Anne,
I’m not suggesting it is out of scope. I am pointing out that the Board is still considering the SSAD recommendations and will take into account the final report of the RDRS team. At that point, the Board will either accept the SSAD Recommendations, reject them (and trigger Council’s ability to supplement), or come to the Council proactively before rejecting them to work with us in some what they see fit. Either way, the DNS Abuse Small Team looks to be the wrong place for all of that work to land and is a distraction what we all talked about the team doing.
Best,
Paul
*From:* Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> *Sent:* Sunday, April 6, 2025 7:25 PM *To:* Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
OR maybe point you to the ongoing lack of implementation of SSAD and the actual (at least temporary) continuation of RDRS ? (which you and I both support!). I always appreciate your sense of humor! You make me chuckle. ;-)
Technically RDRS is "experimental" but does anyone really think SSAD is still alive anywhere on any real agenda?
Are you suggesting RDRS (as a mitigation tool) is out of scope for the DNS Abuse Small Team?
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 7:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. I hadn’t realized that the Board made a final decision that the SSAD is unimplementable and the Council Recommendations had been rejected. Can you point me to the Board’s resolution?
Best,
Paul
*From:* Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com> *Sent:* Sunday, April 6, 2025 8:21 AM *To:* Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> *Cc:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org>; council@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Thanks Paul. Of course the SSAD is considered "unimplementable" and the future of RDRS is uncertain so it does strike me as relevant to the topic of DNS ABuse measures that Council should be taking into account. I do think the Small Team should be looking at the "big picture"..
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 8:27 AM Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com> wrote:
Thanks Anne. The RDRS work is part of the SSAD PDP work. I don’t think we should divert it to DNS abuse small team.
*From:* Anne ICANN via council <council@icann.org> *Sent:* Saturday, April 5, 2025 10:24 AM *To:* Feodora Hamza <feodora.hamza@icann.org> *Cc:* council@icann.org *Subject:* [council] Re: Assignment Forms: DNS Abuse and Accuracy Small Teams
Thank you Feodora. To Council members, I am wondering whether tasks assigned to the DNS Abuse Small Team should incorporate review of recent data supplied by the community to ICANN in relation to RDRS and summary report from ICANN on this service? I don't think RDRS is specifically mentioned in the Assignment form as being in scope for the DNS Abuse small team. Wouldn't RDRS be considered an abuse mitigation tool?
Thanks all.
Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
anneicanngnso@gmail.com
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:18 AM Feodora Hamza via council < council@icann.org> wrote:
Dear GNSO Council members,
Please see attached the draft assignment forms for:
- DNS Abuse Small Team - Accuracy Small Team
The Council will discuss the assignment forms during its 10 April meeting.
Kind regards,
*Feodora Hamza*
Policy Development Support Manager (GNSO)
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
* Mobile:* +32 496 30 24 15
*Email:* feodora.hamza@icann.org
*Website:* www.icann.org
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