Dear all, Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week¹s call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Te rritory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1> ). A detailed agenda will follow. This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document. Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars
Hello all, I have added an additional option to Grigori's document. I feel there should be an option that allows the owners of 2 character trademarks to operate closed brand registries as long as there is no conflict with ISO 3166-1. Cordially, Colin From: ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lars Hoffmann Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:36 AM To: ctn-crosscom@icann.org Subject: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Dear all, Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week's call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Ter...>). A detailed agenda will follow. This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document. Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Dear Colin, you additional option is important, thank you! With regards, Grigori On 01-Jun-15 11:04 PM, Colin O'Brien wrote:
Hello all,
I have added an additional option to Grigori’s document. I feel there
should be an option that allows the owners of 2 character trademarks to operate closed brand registries as long as there is no conflict with ISO 3166-1.
Cordially,
Colin
*From:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org
[mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Lars Hoffmann
*Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:36 AM *To:* ctn-crosscom@icann.org *Subject:* [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting
Dear all,
Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week’s call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Ter...>).
A detailed agenda will follow.
This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document.
Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there.
Many thanks and best wishes,
Lars
______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVbLRCAAoJEBp2GIFI5NXc+loH/Rffa8Y4TeHw3j2JW5wUGST+ dkeuIrl1xK6s/UVww+RzO7FQkV/7topZRhVIRVKwThR3FBpkOn6XlCJTJZDf01t2 j3lAdpL4HYPkyqDm1Qiu3raUUW8T8nCf22Wo2bEIh5Evax0kYfMsFr9jPpTYumPQ fTHVLC1w4VGscPz6YAwMo3LeJbYhBidAOSQKf+3JV8oOh9vsnwG2Tz7kF4y/MUSF jnAZRt1m89tqq662OdxdO53FsVrdCXjTXnSVzagKE2Q/GtluwYwshgzgg3DtqpDp GSSk2Ef6QB15lua3gzofLUpVjT5WBHaSa4dDLT6nxhHN/fG3/Qve+b+M0d5KCkY= =GUS/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi and apologies for not being able to join the last conference. Option 3 is an interesting one. I've added a couple of risks to it as I think there is a risk of consumer confusion and brand overlapping. Attached previous (Grigori+Colin) doc + my edits. Thanks jordi El 01/06/15 a les 21:04, Colin O'Brien ha escrit:
Hello all,
I have added an additional option to Grigori’s document. I feel there should be an option that allows the owners of 2 character trademarks to operate closed brand registries as long as there is no conflict with ISO 3166-1.
Cordially,
Colin
*From:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Lars Hoffmann *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:36 AM *To:* ctn-crosscom@icann.org *Subject:* [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting
Dear all,
Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week’s call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Ter...>).
A detailed agenda will follow.
This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document.
Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there.
Many thanks and best wishes,
Lars
______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom
Hi all, Thanks for all the comments. I have added another argument under option 3 to hightlight the risks opening up for 2-letters for gTLDs. I understand that these brand owners would like to have their brand as domain name, but in my view this will ruin the system with the distinction between ccTLDs and gTLDs and discriminate possible new countries in the future. Kind regards, Annebeth Annebeth B. Lange Head of Legal and Policy UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 c NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange@uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobile: +47 959 11 559 From: "Jordi Iparraguirre .cat" <jordi@iparraguirre.cat<mailto:jordi@iparraguirre.cat>> Date: Tuesday 2 June 2015 09:44 To: "ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Hi and apologies for not being able to join the last conference. Option 3 is an interesting one. I've added a couple of risks to it as I think there is a risk of consumer confusion and brand overlapping. Attached previous (Grigori+Colin) doc + my edits. Thanks jordi El 01/06/15 a les 21:04, Colin O'Brien ha escrit: Hello all, I have added an additional option to Grigori's document. I feel there should be an option that allows the owners of 2 character trademarks to operate closed brand registries as long as there is no conflict with ISO 3166-1. Cordially, Colin *From:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org<mailto:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Lars Hoffmann *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:36 AM *To:* ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org> *Subject:* [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Dear all, Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week's call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Ter...>). A detailed agenda will follow. This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document. Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:Ctn-crosscom@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom
Dear all, I share Annebeth's concerns. - The clear distinction between ccTLDs and gTLDs, based on TLD length, is lost, once opening up 2-letters as gTLDs. This will increase the end-user confusion. After all, the legal frameworks governing ccTLDs and gTLDs are different. - having a 2-character gTLD assigned, which might correspond to the 2-letter code of a potential future country, will disadvantage said country Best regards. Joke Braeken (Ms) External Relations Deputy Manager EURid Woluwelaan 150 1831 Diegem - Belgium TEL.: +32 (0) 2 401 27 50 DIRECT: +32 (0) 2 401 30 14 MOB.:+32 (0) 473 779 559 joke.braeken@eurid.eu<mailto:joke.braeken@eurid.eu> http://www.eurid.eu<http://www.eurid.eu/> [facebook_icon_email]<https://www.facebook.com/EUregistry>[twitter_icon_email]<https://twitter.com/Euregistry> [email_sign_bootjetipleftcrop] From: ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Annebeth Lange Sent: dinsdag 2 juni 2015 10:03 To: Jordi Iparraguirre; ctn-crosscom@icann.org Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Hi all, Thanks for all the comments. I have added another argument under option 3 to hightlight the risks opening up for 2-letters for gTLDs. I understand that these brand owners would like to have their brand as domain name, but in my view this will ruin the system with the distinction between ccTLDs and gTLDs and discriminate possible new countries in the future. Kind regards, Annebeth Annebeth B. Lange Head of Legal and Policy UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 c NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange@uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobile: +47 959 11 559 From: "Jordi Iparraguirre .cat" <jordi@iparraguirre.cat<mailto:jordi@iparraguirre.cat>> Date: Tuesday 2 June 2015 09:44 To: "ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Hi and apologies for not being able to join the last conference. Option 3 is an interesting one. I've added a couple of risks to it as I think there is a risk of consumer confusion and brand overlapping. Attached previous (Grigori+Colin) doc + my edits. Thanks jordi El 01/06/15 a les 21:04, Colin O'Brien ha escrit: Hello all, I have added an additional option to Grigori's document. I feel there should be an option that allows the owners of 2 character trademarks to operate closed brand registries as long as there is no conflict with ISO 3166-1. Cordially, Colin *From:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org<mailto:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Lars Hoffmann *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:36 AM *To:* ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org> *Subject:* [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Dear all, Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week's call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Territory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1><http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Territory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1%3e>). A detailed agenda will follow. This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document. Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:Ctn-crosscom@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom Disclaimer: This email and any attachment hereto is intended solely for the person to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient or if you have received this email in error, please delete it and immediately contact the sender by telephone or email, and destroy any copies of this information. You should not use or copy it, nor disclose its content to any other person or rely upon this information. Please note that any views presented in the email and any attachment hereto are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of EURid. While all care has been taken to avoid any known viruses, the recipient is advised to check this email and any attachment for presence of viruses. http://www.eurid.eu/en/legal-disclaimer
Dear colleagues, I would too like to highlight this issue. Specifically, RFC1591 says "IANA is not in the business to determine what is and what is not a country". Assigning a two letter code to a gTLD will essentially make the ISO list obsolete/ignored. This might have many other implications, Daniel Kalchev Sent from my iPhone
On 2.06.2015 г., at 13:06, Joke Braeken <Joke.Braeken@eurid.eu> wrote:
Dear all,
I share Annebeth’s concerns.
- The clear distinction between ccTLDs and gTLDs, based on TLD length, is lost, once opening up 2-letters as gTLDs. This will increase the end-user confusion. After all, the legal frameworks governing ccTLDs and gTLDs are different.
- having a 2-character gTLD assigned, which might correspond to the 2-letter code of a potential future country, will disadvantage said country
Best regards.
Joke Braeken (Ms) External Relations Deputy Manager
EURid Woluwelaan 150 1831 Diegem - Belgium TEL.: +32 (0) 2 401 27 50 DIRECT: +32 (0) 2 401 30 14 MOB.:+32 (0) 473 779 559 joke.braeken@eurid.eu http://www.eurid.eu <image002.png>
<image003.jpg>
From: ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Annebeth Lange Sent: dinsdag 2 juni 2015 10:03 To: Jordi Iparraguirre; ctn-crosscom@icann.org Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting
Hi all,
Thanks for all the comments. I have added another argument under option 3 to hightlight the risks opening up for 2-letters for gTLDs. I understand that these brand owners would like to have their brand as domain name, but in my view this will ruin the system with the distinction between ccTLDs and gTLDs and discriminate possible new countries in the future.
Kind regards, Annebeth
Annebeth B. Lange Head of Legal and Policy UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 c NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange@uninett.no Mobile: +47 959 11 559
From: "Jordi Iparraguirre .cat" <jordi@iparraguirre.cat> Date: Tuesday 2 June 2015 09:44 To: "ctn-crosscom@icann.org" <ctn-crosscom@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting
Hi and apologies for not being able to join the last conference.
Option 3 is an interesting one. I've added a couple of risks to it as I think there is a risk of consumer confusion and brand overlapping.
Attached previous (Grigori+Colin) doc + my edits.
Thanks jordi
El 01/06/15 a les 21:04, Colin O'Brien ha escrit: Hello all,
I have added an additional option to Grigori’s document. I feel there should be an option that allows the owners of 2 character trademarks to operate closed brand registries as long as there is no conflict with ISO 3166-1.
Cordially,
Colin
*From:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Lars Hoffmann *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:36 AM *To:* ctn-crosscom@icann.org *Subject:* [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting
Dear all,
Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week’s call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Ter...>).
A detailed agenda will follow.
This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document.
Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there.
Many thanks and best wishes, Lars
______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom
Disclaimer: This email and any attachment hereto is intended solely for the person to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient or if you have received this email in error, please delete it and immediately contact the sender by telephone or email, and destroy any copies of this information. You should not use or copy it, nor disclose its content to any other person or rely upon this information. Please note that any views presented in the email and any attachment hereto are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of EURid. While all care has been taken to avoid any known viruses, the recipient is advised to check this email and any attachment for presence of viruses. Other languages: English Estonian Italian Maltese Romanian Swedish Czech Spanish Latvian Dutch Slovak Greek Danish French Lithuanian Polish Slovenian Bulgarian German Gaelic Hungarian Portuguese Finnish Croatian _______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom
Dear all, I agree with the concerns that have been expressed regarding two letter gTLD registrations. The current protection of two letter codes has set a precedent, is understood by internet users and provides a dedicated space for national identities. Changing this, changes the fundamental structure that end users are used to and will create confusion. As others have already said there is also the risk of new country codes clashing with two letter stings that have been allocated as gTLDs which would have serious consequences. Kind regards, Laura Hutchison Policy Executive T: +44 (0) 1865 332242 M: +44 (0)7931 384082 E: laurah@nominet.org.uk<mailto:laurah@nominet.org.uk> W: www.nominet.org.uk<http://www.nominet.org.uk/> Nominet UK is a company limited by guarantee and registered in England under No. 3203859. Our registered office is Minerva House, Edmund Halley Road, Oxford Science Park, Oxford, OX4 4DQ, England. From: ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Kalchev Sent: 03 June 2015 18:48 To: Joke Braeken Cc: ctn-crosscom@icann.org Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Dear colleagues, I would too like to highlight this issue. Specifically, RFC1591 says "IANA is not in the business to determine what is and what is not a country". Assigning a two letter code to a gTLD will essentially make the ISO list obsolete/ignored. This might have many other implications, Daniel Kalchev Sent from my iPhone On 2.06.2015 г., at 13:06, Joke Braeken <Joke.Braeken@eurid.eu<mailto:Joke.Braeken@eurid.eu>> wrote: Dear all, I share Annebeth’s concerns. - The clear distinction between ccTLDs and gTLDs, based on TLD length, is lost, once opening up 2-letters as gTLDs. This will increase the end-user confusion. After all, the legal frameworks governing ccTLDs and gTLDs are different. - having a 2-character gTLD assigned, which might correspond to the 2-letter code of a potential future country, will disadvantage said country Best regards. Joke Braeken (Ms) External Relations Deputy Manager EURid Woluwelaan 150 1831 Diegem - Belgium TEL.: +32 (0) 2 401 27 50 DIRECT: +32 (0) 2 401 30 14 MOB.:+32 (0) 473 779 559 joke.braeken@eurid.eu<mailto:joke.braeken@eurid.eu> http://www.eurid.eu<http://www.eurid.eu/> [facebook_icon_email]<https://www.facebook.com/EUregistry><image002.png><https://twitter.com/Euregistry> <image003.jpg> From: ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Annebeth Lange Sent: dinsdag 2 juni 2015 10:03 To: Jordi Iparraguirre; ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Hi all, Thanks for all the comments. I have added another argument under option 3 to hightlight the risks opening up for 2-letters for gTLDs. I understand that these brand owners would like to have their brand as domain name, but in my view this will ruin the system with the distinction between ccTLDs and gTLDs and discriminate possible new countries in the future. Kind regards, Annebeth Annebeth B. Lange Head of Legal and Policy UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 c NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange@uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobile: +47 959 11 559 From: "Jordi Iparraguirre .cat" <jordi@iparraguirre.cat<mailto:jordi@iparraguirre.cat>> Date: Tuesday 2 June 2015 09:44 To: "ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Hi and apologies for not being able to join the last conference. Option 3 is an interesting one. I've added a couple of risks to it as I think there is a risk of consumer confusion and brand overlapping. Attached previous (Grigori+Colin) doc + my edits. Thanks jordi El 01/06/15 a les 21:04, Colin O'Brien ha escrit: Hello all, I have added an additional option to Grigori’s document. I feel there should be an option that allows the owners of 2 character trademarks to operate closed brand registries as long as there is no conflict with ISO 3166-1. Cordially, Colin *From:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org<mailto:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Lars Hoffmann *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:36 AM *To:* ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org> *Subject:* [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Dear all, Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week’s call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Territory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1><http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Territory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1%3e>). A detailed agenda will follow. This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document. Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:Ctn-crosscom@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom Disclaimer: This email and any attachment hereto is intended solely for the person to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient or if you have received this email in error, please delete it and immediately contact the sender by telephone or email, and destroy any copies of this information. You should not use or copy it, nor disclose its content to any other person or rely upon this information. Please note that any views presented in the email and any attachment hereto are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of EURid. While all care has been taken to avoid any known viruses, the recipient is advised to check this email and any attachment for presence of viruses. Other languages: English<http://www.eurid.eu/en/legal-disclaimer> Estonian<http://www.eurid.eu/et/legal-disclaimer> Italian<http://www.eurid.eu/it/legal-disclaimer> Maltese<http://www.eurid.eu/mt/legal-disclaimer> Romanian<http://www.eurid.eu/ro/legal-disclaimer> Swedish<http://www.eurid.eu/sv/legal-disclaimer> Czech<http://www.eurid.eu/cs/legal-disclaimer> Spanish<http://www.eurid.eu/es/legal-disclaimer> Latvian<http://www.eurid.eu/lv/legal-disclaimer> Dutch<http://www.eurid.eu/nl/legal-disclaimer> Slovak<http://www.eurid.eu/sk/legal-disclaimer> Greek<http://www.eurid.eu/el/legal-disclaimer> Danish<http://www.eurid.eu/da/legal-disclaimer> French<http://www.eurid.eu/fr/legal-disclaimer> Lithuanian<http://www.eurid.eu/lt/legal-disclaimer> Polish<http://www.eurid.eu/pl/legal-disclaimer> Slovenian<http://www.eurid.eu/sl/legal-disclaimer> Bulgarian<http://www.eurid.eu/bg/legal-disclaimer> German<http://www.eurid.eu/de/legal-disclaimer> Gaelic<http://www.eurid.eu/ga/legal-disclaimer> Hungarian<http://www.eurid.eu/hu/legal-disclaimer> Portuguese<http://www.eurid.eu/pt/legal-disclaimer> Finnish<http://www.eurid.eu/fi/legal-disclaimer> Croatian<http://www.eurid.eu/hr/legal-disclaimer> _______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:Ctn-crosscom@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom
Hi everyone, Thank you for the feedback on Option 3. Here are my responses: 1. Having multiple applications for the same string (for instance AA = Aerolíneas Argentinas & American Airlines) should not be classified as a risk. There is already a procedure in place when two entities with equal rights want a TLD string. Specifically the auction procedures as established by section 4.3 of the applicant guidebook. 2. The comment regarding a risk of consumer confusion if a 2-char TLD is used by a multinational brand but it is also an acronym/brand of a local one. (ex. BA = British Airlines but also Banco Atlántico) seems tenuous. If a user is looking for Banco Atlantico and enters home.ba and is taken to a homepage for British Airways they are not confused. 3. Right now there are over 300 Two letter combinations which have not been assigned by ISO-3166-1. See, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 I really can't foresee more than 300 new countries being created in the future. Further the number of closed brand TLDs would likely be limited. Looking at the availability on ISO-3166-1 the only company names that I see are HP, LG and VW. Colin From: ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Annebeth Lange Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 3:03 AM To: Jordi Iparraguirre; ctn-crosscom@icann.org Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Hi all, Thanks for all the comments. I have added another argument under option 3 to hightlight the risks opening up for 2-letters for gTLDs. I understand that these brand owners would like to have their brand as domain name, but in my view this will ruin the system with the distinction between ccTLDs and gTLDs and discriminate possible new countries in the future. Kind regards, Annebeth Annebeth B. Lange Head of Legal and Policy UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 c NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange@uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobile: +47 959 11 559 From: "Jordi Iparraguirre .cat" <jordi@iparraguirre.cat<mailto:jordi@iparraguirre.cat>> Date: Tuesday 2 June 2015 09:44 To: "ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Hi and apologies for not being able to join the last conference. Option 3 is an interesting one. I've added a couple of risks to it as I think there is a risk of consumer confusion and brand overlapping. Attached previous (Grigori+Colin) doc + my edits. Thanks jordi El 01/06/15 a les 21:04, Colin O'Brien ha escrit: Hello all, I have added an additional option to Grigori's document. I feel there should be an option that allows the owners of 2 character trademarks to operate closed brand registries as long as there is no conflict with ISO 3166-1. Cordially, Colin *From:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org<mailto:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Lars Hoffmann *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:36 AM *To:* ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org> *Subject:* [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Dear all, Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week's call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Territory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1><http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Territory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1%3e>). A detailed agenda will follow. This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document. Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:Ctn-crosscom@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________
Hi everyone, I see your point, Colin, but my main objection is that opening up for 2-letter codes for gTLDs will change the system completely and create user confusion. It is well known among the users that you behind a 2-character domain name will find a national domain, a ccTLD, administrated under local law. Generic TLDs have traditionally been 3-characters and lately more. As for the establishment of new countries in the future none of can know for sure what names these countries will be given. As we know it is not the business of IANA (or ICANN) to decide what is and what is not a country. The selection of the ISO 3166 list as a basis for ccTLDs was made with the knowledge that ISO has a procedure for determining which entities should be on that list. As you say, Colin, there are a lot of 2-letter combinations not assigned – yet. But none of us know which of these will be needed in the future to be included in the ISO 3166-list. It will be unfair towards new countries that “their” 2-letter combination then is taken by a brand. But to repeat, my main point is that opening up for 2-letter combinations for gTLDs will be a major change of the system we have had for all the years with domain names. And it will remove the distinction between ccTLDs and gTLDs. Kind regards, Annebeth Annebeth B. Lange Head of Legal and Policy UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 c NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange@uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobile: +47 959 11 559 From: Colin O'Brien <colin@partridgegarcia.com<mailto:colin@partridgegarcia.com>> Date: Tuesday 2 June 2015 19:23 To: Annebeth Lange <annebeth.lange@uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no>>, "Jordi Iparraguirre .cat" <jordi@iparraguirre.cat<mailto:jordi@iparraguirre.cat>>, "ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: RE: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Hi everyone, Thank you for the feedback on Option 3. Here are my responses: 1. Having multiple applications for the same string (for instance AA = Aerolíneas Argentinas & American Airlines) should not be classified as a risk. There is already a procedure in place when two entities with equal rights want a TLD string. Specifically the auction procedures as established by section 4.3 of the applicant guidebook. 2. The comment regarding a risk of consumer confusion if a 2-char TLD is used by a multinational brand but it is also an acronym/brand of a local one. (ex. BA = British Airlines but also Banco Atlántico) seems tenuous. If a user is looking for Banco Atlantico and enters home.ba and is taken to a homepage for British Airways they are not confused. 3. Right now there are over 300 Two letter combinations which have not been assigned by ISO-3166-1. See,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 I really can’t foresee more than 300 new countries being created in the future. Further the number of closed brand TLDs would likely be limited. Looking at the availability on ISO-3166-1 the only company names that I see are HP, LG and VW. Colin From: ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Annebeth Lange Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 3:03 AM To: Jordi Iparraguirre; ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Hi all, Thanks for all the comments. I have added another argument under option 3 to hightlight the risks opening up for 2-letters for gTLDs. I understand that these brand owners would like to have their brand as domain name, but in my view this will ruin the system with the distinction between ccTLDs and gTLDs and discriminate possible new countries in the future. Kind regards, Annebeth Annebeth B. Lange Head of Legal and Policy UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 c NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange@uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobile: +47 959 11 559 From: "Jordi Iparraguirre .cat" <jordi@iparraguirre.cat<mailto:jordi@iparraguirre.cat>> Date: Tuesday 2 June 2015 09:44 To: "ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Hi and apologies for not being able to join the last conference. Option 3 is an interesting one. I've added a couple of risks to it as I think there is a risk of consumer confusion and brand overlapping. Attached previous (Grigori+Colin) doc + my edits. Thanks jordi El 01/06/15 a les 21:04, Colin O'Brien ha escrit: Hello all, I have added an additional option to Grigori’s document. I feel there should be an option that allows the owners of 2 character trademarks to operate closed brand registries as long as there is no conflict with ISO 3166-1. Cordially, Colin *From:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org<mailto:*ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Lars Hoffmann *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:36 AM *To:* ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org> *Subject:* [Ctn-crosscom] Next meeting Dear all, Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week’s call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Territory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1><http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Territory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1%3e>). A detailed agenda will follow. This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document. Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org<mailto:Ctn-crosscom@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________
To add to what Annebeth Lange writes:
As for the establishment of new countries in the future none of can know for sure what names these countries will be given.
There is a change that the code for anew countr will collide with the code string for a TLD. The probability might be low but the this will cause severe probems when it happens. jaap
All, I agree completely with Annabeth that opening up two letter codes to allow for the creation of gTLDs, even if they were operated as a closed network, will change the structure of the system completely. Whether the unassigned two letter codes have the possibility of being assigned or not is a secondary matter. I believe that there is a fundamental difference between the gTLD and the ccTLD system. The protection of the two letter codes have historically represented the recognition of the importance of the sovereignty of the respective nations in cyberspace. Of course some of the ccTLDs are operated more openly than others but the privilege to make such decisions lie with the respective country. I agree with the general sentiment that the gTLD space is an important space and we should do as much as possible to encourage and support its development. However, respect for the sovereignty of each country within cyberspace is something that cannot be compromised. After all, the gTLD space occupies ALL TLD domain space over 3 characters which is exponentially larger than the two letter space. Thanks. - kind regards, - Young-eum Lee Young-eum Lee Dept. of Media Arts & Sciences <http://mas.knou.ac.kr/>, Korea National Open University <http://www.knou.ac.kr/> Dept. of Media Arts and Visual Contents <http://macgrad.knou.ac.kr/>, KNOU Grad School <http://grad.knou.ac.kr/> ICANN <http://www.icann.org/> ccNSO <http://ccnso.icann.org/> Council member <http://ccnso.icann.org/council-members.htm> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Jaap Akkerhuis <jaap@nlnetlabs.nl> wrote:
To add to what Annebeth Lange writes:
As for the establishment of new countries in the future none of can know for sure what names these countries will be given.
There is a change that the code for anew countr will collide with the code string for a TLD. The probability might be low but the this will cause severe probems when it happens.
jaap
_______________________________________________ Ctn-crosscom mailing list Ctn-crosscom@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom
participants (11)
-
Annebeth Lange -
Colin O'Brien -
Daniel Kalchev -
Grigori Saghyan -
Jaap Akkerhuis -
Joke Braeken -
Jordi Iparraguirre -
Lars Hoffmann -
Laura Hutchison -
Mirjana Tasic -
Young-eum Lee