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Cyrillic Generation Panel: First step. Start of work.
by Sarmad Hussain Nov. 28, 2014

Nov. 28, 2014

Dear All, 1. Here a new Doodle poll link for next week. Kindly fill in ALL the slots you can attend. We will announce the final meeting date and time on Monday 1 Dec. through email: http://doodle.com/kpfe2rusbgtvr9cc (please respond before Sunday 30 Nov.) (Please note that previous poll was cancelled as we did not get a clear consensus on one slot. Sorry for any inconvenience it may have caused) 2. Please also fill in your information in the proposal document, available in the Dropbox through the link. If you have not received the Dropbox link, please let me know (off list). Regards, Sarmad -----Original Message----- From: cyrillicgp-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 6:06 PM To: CyrillicGP(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Cyrillicgp] Cyrillic Generation Panel: First step. Start of work. Dear All, I have invited members on this list to a shared space in Dropbox, which we can use to share and edit documents. I have also put a copy of the proposal shared by Yuri in the Dropbox where you can directly add your information. If you have not received the invitation to the Dropbox, please email me (off list) and I will send you the link do the shared folder. Regards, Sarmad -----Original Message----- From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 10:51 AM To: 'Mirjana Tasic'; CyrillicGP(a)icann.org Cc: Yuriy Kargapolov Subject: RE: [Cyrillicgp] Cyrillic Generation Panel: First step. Start of work. Dear Mirjana, All, You can email the version filled with your information to me and I can assist in consolidating the information. In the meantime, we will also set up a shared space for working together. Regards, Sarmad -----Original Message----- From: cyrillicgp-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mirjana Tasic Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 12:54 AM To: Yuriy Kargapolov; CyrillicGP(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Cyrillicgp] Cyrillic Generation Panel: First step. Start of work. Dear Yuruy, It is not clear to me what shall we do with filled document. Shall we save it with different names, for example adding initials at the end of the name of the edited document? What address should be used to send the updated document to? Regards Mirjana Tasic On 26.11.2014 18:28, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote: > Dear Sarmad, > > Thank you very much for information. > > And DEAR ALL :) > Pls, to be more active for preparation of received doc. > Waiting for responses and propositions. > --- > Best Regards, > Yuri > > Wednesday, November 26, 2014, 7:09:08 PM, you wrote: > >> Dear All, >> As this is the first call it is best to have most of us on it >> together. It seems that the time suggested is not suitable for all >> to join on the same day. I have discussed with Yuriy he has >> suggested to circulate another set of times for next week, which I >> will do soon. Therefore we will not have a call this week. >> Regards, >> Sarmad >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cyrillicgp-bounces(a)icann.org >> [mailto:cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sarmad Hussain >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:55 AM >> To: Yuriy Kargapolov; CyrillicGP(a)icann.org >> Subject: Re: [Cyrillicgp] Cyrillic Generation Panel: First step. Start of work. >> Thank you Yuriy for initiating the activities of the Cyrillic Generation Panel. >> Dear All, >> I have created a Doodle poll to set up the meeting day (at the time >> proposed). Kindly visit http://doodle.com/r7pxd7h9a4gspfcp and >> select the days you are available (please select all the days you can >> make it). We will close the poll on Tuesday night to finalize the meeting date. >> Regards, >> Sarmad > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Yuriy Kargapolov [mailto:yvk@uanic.info] >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:20 AM >> To: CyrillicGP(a)icann.org >> Cc: Sarmad Hussain >> Subject: Cyrillic Generation Panel: First step. Start of work. >> Dear Colleagues, >> I am pleased to inform you that we start practical work. >> 1. Let me introduce starting the maillist of Cyrillic Generation Panel: >> 1 Alexander Ilin >> 2 Alexei Sozonov >> 3 Almaz Bakenov >> 4 Daniel Kalchev >> 5 Danko Jevtovic >> 6 Dmitry Kohmanyuk >> 7 Dušan Stojičević >> 8 Enkhbold Gombo >> 9 Iliya Bazlyankov >> 10 Jia-Juh Kimoto >> 11 Michael Yakushev >> 12 Mirjana Tasic >> 13 Nelly Stoyanova >> 14 Nicoleta Munteanu >> 15 Oleksandr Tsaruk >> 16 Patrick Jones >> 17 Sanja Simonova >> 18 Sarmad Hussain >> 19 Sergey Povalishev >> 20 Veni Markovski >> 21 Vladimir Shadrunov >> 22 Yashar Hajiyev >> 23 Yulia Morenets >> 24 Yuriy Honcharuk >> 25 Yuriy Kargapolov >> Unfortunately, we don't have all our colleagues from Registries >> of Middle Asia region, but I hope - they will soon join to us. >> 2. Please, find in attachment "Proposal for the Generation Panel >> for the Cyrillic Script Label Generation Ruleset for the Root Zone". >> Please, see material and prepare your suggestions. "What" and "how" to >> answer highlighted in green in the text. This is relevant personal >> information about participants and organizations that you represent. >> 3. About our work. >> Let me propose - first initial call should be in period 26-28 of Nov. >> Time 17:00-18:00 UTC. >> Please, give your proposition. >> The first call to dedicate a discussion of points 3 and 4 of the >> document "Proposal for the Generation Panel for the Cyrillic Script >> Label Generation Ruleset for the Root Zone", i.e., organization of >> work and suggest specific topics for discussion in some specific time-frame. >> As a methodological support - material for our colleaguesЖ >> https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Arabic+Script >> +GP >> >> 4. And let me to recall 2 general issues facing our Panel: >> 1) definition and defending code points and rules for IDN TLD >> labels for Cyrillic script, i.e. the current work is on TLD >> Cyrillic labels for the Root Zone; >> 2) definition, defending and fixing problem points and relevant >> rules for IDN email, IDN as is, URL web-indexing etc., i.e. that are >> subjects of Universal Acceptance (UA) Initiative >> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/tld-acceptance-initiative-18jun…. > >> --- >> Best Regards, >> Yuri Kargapolov > _______________________________________________ > Cyrillicgp mailing list > Cyrillicgp(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cyrillicgp _______________________________________________ Cyrillicgp mailing list Cyrillicgp(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cyrillicgp

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Re: [Cyrillicgp] Cyrillic Generation Panel: First step. Start of work.
by Sarmad Hussain Nov. 27, 2014

Nov. 27, 2014

Dear All, As this is the first call it is best to have most of us on it together. It seems that the time suggested is not suitable for all to join on the same day. I have discussed with Yuriy he has suggested to circulate another set of times for next week, which I will do soon. Therefore we will not have a call this week. Regards, Sarmad -----Original Message----- From: cyrillicgp-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sarmad Hussain Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:55 AM To: Yuriy Kargapolov; CyrillicGP(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Cyrillicgp] Cyrillic Generation Panel: First step. Start of work. Thank you Yuriy for initiating the activities of the Cyrillic Generation Panel. Dear All, I have created a Doodle poll to set up the meeting day (at the time proposed). Kindly visit http://doodle.com/r7pxd7h9a4gspfcp and select the days you are available (please select all the days you can make it). We will close the poll on Tuesday night to finalize the meeting date. Regards, Sarmad -----Original Message----- From: Yuriy Kargapolov [mailto:yvk@uanic.info] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:20 AM To: CyrillicGP(a)icann.org Cc: Sarmad Hussain Subject: Cyrillic Generation Panel: First step. Start of work. Dear Colleagues, I am pleased to inform you that we start practical work. 1. Let me introduce starting the maillist of Cyrillic Generation Panel: 1 Alexander Ilin 2 Alexei Sozonov 3 Almaz Bakenov 4 Daniel Kalchev 5 Danko Jevtovic 6 Dmitry Kohmanyuk 7 Dušan Stojičević 8 Enkhbold Gombo 9 Iliya Bazlyankov 10 Jia-Juh Kimoto 11 Michael Yakushev 12 Mirjana Tasic 13 Nelly Stoyanova 14 Nicoleta Munteanu 15 Oleksandr Tsaruk 16 Patrick Jones 17 Sanja Simonova 18 Sarmad Hussain 19 Sergey Povalishev 20 Veni Markovski 21 Vladimir Shadrunov 22 Yashar Hajiyev 23 Yulia Morenets 24 Yuriy Honcharuk 25 Yuriy Kargapolov Unfortunately, we don't have all our colleagues from Registries of Middle Asia region, but I hope - they will soon join to us. 2. Please, find in attachment "Proposal for the Generation Panel for the Cyrillic Script Label Generation Ruleset for the Root Zone". Please, see material and prepare your suggestions. "What" and "how" to answer highlighted in green in the text. This is relevant personal information about participants and organizations that you represent. 3. About our work. Let me propose - first initial call should be in period 26-28 of Nov. Time 17:00-18:00 UTC. Please, give your proposition. The first call to dedicate a discussion of points 3 and 4 of the document "Proposal for the Generation Panel for the Cyrillic Script Label Generation Ruleset for the Root Zone", i.e., organization of work and suggest specific topics for discussion in some specific time-frame. As a methodological support - material for our colleaguesЖ https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Arabic+Script+GP 4. And let me to recall 2 general issues facing our Panel: 1) definition and defending code points and rules for IDN TLD labels for Cyrillic script, i.e. the current work is on TLD Cyrillic labels for the Root Zone; 2) definition, defending and fixing problem points and relevant rules for IDN email, IDN as is, URL web-indexing etc., i.e. that are subjects of Universal Acceptance (UA) Initiative https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/tld-acceptance-initiative-18jun…. --- Best Regards, Yuri Kargapolov

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Re: [Cyrillicgp] Doodle poll
by Yuriy Kargapolov Nov. 25, 2014

Nov. 25, 2014

Dear colleagues, Please, looking for http://doodle.com/r7pxd7h9a4gspfcp and select 2 days (yes or no) on doodle. --- Best Regards, Yuri Kargapolov

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Cyrillic Generation Panel: First step. Start of work.
by Yuriy Kargapolov Nov. 25, 2014

Nov. 25, 2014

Dear Colleagues, I am pleased to inform you that we start practical work. 1. Let me introduce starting the maillist of Cyrillic Generation Panel: 1 Alexander Ilin 2 Alexei Sozonov 3 Almaz Bakenov 4 Daniel Kalchev 5 Danko Jevtovic 6 Dmitry Kohmanyuk 7 Dušan Stojičević 8 Enkhbold Gombo 9 Iliya Bazlyankov 10 Jia-Juh Kimoto 11 Michael Yakushev 12 Mirjana Tasic 13 Nelly Stoyanova 14 Nicoleta Munteanu 15 Oleksandr Tsaruk 16 Patrick Jones 17 Sanja Simonova 18 Sarmad Hussain 19 Sergey Povalishev 20 Veni Markovski 21 Vladimir Shadrunov 22 Yashar Hajiyev 23 Yulia Morenets 24 Yuriy Honcharuk 25 Yuriy Kargapolov Unfortunately, we don't have all our colleagues from Registries of Middle Asia region, but I hope - they will soon join to us. 2. Please, find in attachment "Proposal for the Generation Panel for the Cyrillic Script Label Generation Ruleset for the Root Zone". Please, see material and prepare your suggestions. "What" and "how" to answer highlighted in green in the text. This is relevant personal information about participants and organizations that you represent. 3. About our work. Let me propose - first initial call should be in period 26-28 of Nov. Time 17:00-18:00 UTC. Please, give your proposition. The first call to dedicate a discussion of points 3 and 4 of the document "Proposal for the Generation Panel for the Cyrillic Script Label Generation Ruleset for the Root Zone", i.e., organization of work and suggest specific topics for discussion in some specific time-frame. As a methodological support - material for our colleaguesЖ https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Arabic+Script+GP 4. And let me to recall 2 general issues facing our Panel: 1) definition and defending code points and rules for IDN TLD labels for Cyrillic script, i.e. the current work is on TLD Cyrillic labels for the Root Zone; 2) definition, defending and fixing problem points and relevant rules for IDN email, IDN as is, URL web-indexing etc., i.e. that are subjects of Universal Acceptance (UA) Initiative https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/tld-acceptance-initiative-18jun…. --- Best Regards, Yuri Kargapolov

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[lgr] ArabicGP releases Code Point Repertoire for Root Zone LGR for Public Comments
by Sarmad Hussain Nov. 22, 2014

Nov. 22, 2014

Dear All, The Task Force on Arabic Script IDNs (also working as ArabicGP) releases code point analysis and repertoire for Root Zone LGR for public comments, available at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Arabic+Script+GP. The files include: * Code Point Level Analysis for Arabic Script * Arabic Script Code Point Repertoire These documents are open for public comments until December 10. Please send any feedback you may have to tf-aidn(a)meswg.org <mailto:tf-aidn@meswg.org> . Regards, Sarmad _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] RootLGR questions
by Yoshiro YONEYA Nov. 15, 2014

Nov. 15, 2014

Dear IP members and RootLGR staff, I have two questions regarding RootLGR. (1) Why mixing Japanese scripts and alphabet is denied in RootLGR? During RoogLGR Workshop on Oct 15th, I asked that if Japanese rule can consist from jpan(hani+hira+kata) + alphabet. The answer from Asmus was "No", but I couldn't get the reason at that time. Would you please give me the reason why jpan + alphabet (latn) can't mix? (2) How does language tag work in RootLGR? Language LGR specifies its language tag as <language> element. How does it work in RootLGR? For example, if CGP defined variants for U+767C and U+73FE as follows: <language>und-Hani</language> <char cp="767C" tag="sc:Hani"> <var cp="53D1" type="simp" /> <var cp="5F42" type="block" /> <var cp="767C" type="trad" comment="identity" /> <var cp="9AEA" type="block" /> <var cp="9AEE" type="block" /> </char> <char cp="73FE" tag="sc:Hani"> <var cp="73B0" type="simp" /> <var cp="73FE" type="trad" comment="identity" /> </char> and if JGP defined variants for U+7670 and U+73FE as follows: <language>unt-Jpan</language> <char cp="767C" tag="sc:Jpan"> <var cp="767C" type="alloc" comment="identity" /> <var cp="767A" type="alloc" /> </char> <char cp="73FE" tag="sc:Jpan"> <var cp="73FE" type="alloc" comment="identity" /> </char> How does integrated RootLGR look like? How does language tag in RootLGR work to generate variant labels? I assume that if an applicant applied-for U+767C U+73FF as und-Hani, allocatable variant labels are U+767C U+73FE and U+53D1 U+73B0, and blocked variant labels are others. On the other hand, I assume that if an applicant applied-for U+767C U+73FF as und-Jpan, allocatable variant labels are U+767C U+73FE and U+767A U+73FE, and blocked variant labels are others. I read draft-davies-idntables-08, but I couldn't understand how to merge two LGRs into one LGR, and how to select variants depend on language tag. Regards, -- Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp> _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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Re: [Cyrillicgp] [lgr] [vip] Email Address Internationalization (EAI) and Gmail
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Nov. 11, 2014

Nov. 11, 2014

This is indeed good news, however I’d like to confirm what you’ve heard at ICANN London (the link to the transcript below is not working for me). Is it EAI (eg 福祥(a)xn--2d4a.xn--fiqs8s<mailto:福祥@邓.中国>) what they claim gmail will support or is it just IDN email (ie dennis(a)xn--2d4a.xn--fiqs8s<mailto:dennis@邓.中国>). I recently watched a presentation in Google I/O where they also talked about IDNs in email but it was not clear whether they will be supporting full EAI. If anyone could shed some light on this, it’d be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Dennis From: Jiankang Yao [mailto:healthyao@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:56 PM To: Fahd Batayneh; TF-AIDN (tf-aidn(a)meswg.org) LGR Mailing List; Variant IDN Project (vip(a)icann.org) Subject: Re: [vip] Email Address Internationalization (EAI) and Gmail A big news for EAI! ________________________________ Jiankang Yao From: Fahd Batayneh<mailto:fahd.batayneh@icann.org> Date: 2014-06-27 00:08 To: TF-AIDN (tf-aidn(a)meswg.org)<mailto:tf-aidn@meswg.org>; LGR Mailing List<mailto:lgr@icann.org>; Variant IDN Project (vip(a)icann.org)<mailto:vip@icann.org> Subject: [vip] Email Address Internationalization (EAI) and Gmail Friends and Colleagues, During the Public Forum at ICANN 50 in London, Jordyn Buchanan from Google confirmed that Gmail will support EAI on their platform by the end of this month. … by the end of this month gmail is going to be the first major mail platform with full EAI support, so you'll be able to email back and forth with gmail users at least … You can find the scribe at http://www.streamtext.net/player/carttranscript?event=SANDRINGHAM-26Jun2014. A good step forward for Universal Acceptance of IDNs. Thank you, Fahd Batayneh ICANN _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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Cyrillic Generation Panel and IDN Program meetings at ICANN 51 in LA next week
by Sarmad Hussain Nov. 1, 2014

Nov. 1, 2014

Dear All, After discussions in TLDCON in Baku recently, we are now planning a meeting at ICANN 51 in LA for the Cyrillic script community to finalize the plans for forming Cyrillic Generation Panel. We are also holding IDN Program sessions. We encourage you to attend these sessions, and mark your calendars as per the details below. We look forward to your participation. Please feel free to invite others interested in contributing to Cyrillic Generation Panel to attend. Meeting at ICANN51 Tuesday: Cyrillic Community Meeting to Formulate a Cyrillic Generation Panel 2:00-3:30pm (room/location will be finalized and announced on Friday through email) Formal IDN Program Sessions at ICANN51 Wednesday 15 October 8:30am-9:45am IDN Program Update 10:00am-11:15am IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) IDN Program Update (time: 1hr 15 mins) 1. IDN Program – Overview and Progress - 15 mins – Sarmad Hussain 2. Maximal Starting Repertoire (MSR) – 5 mins – Marc Blanchet 3. Transitioning from MSR to LGR – 15 mins – Asmus Freytag 4. LGR Builder– A Tool for Generation Panels and the Community - 10 mins – Kim Davies 5. Community Updates on Generation Panels – 10 mins a. Need for Latin GP – Cary Karp b. Update on Arabic GP – Meikal Mumin 6. Q/A – 20 mins IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) – Coordination across languages and scripts (time: 1 hr 15 mins) 1. Introduction – Sarmad Hussain – 1 min 2. Need, Limitations and Mechanisms for the Root Zone LGR – Marc Blanchet– 10 mins 3. Coordination between Chinese, Japanese and Korean Scripts – Wang Wei – 10 mins 4. Coordination between Cyrillic, Greek and Latin Scripts – Cary Karp – 10 mins 5. Coordination between Neo-Brahmi Scripts – Neha Gupta – 10 mins 6. Challenges in Addressing Multiple Languages using Arabic Script– Meikel Mumin – 10 mins 7. Q/A - 24 mins Regards, -- Sarmad Hussain IDN Program Sr. Manager

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