September 2013 - Gnso-irtpd

IRTP Part D PDP Working Group Meeting Draft Agenda
by Lars Hoffmann Oct. 7, 2013

Oct. 7, 2013

Dear all, Please see below the agenda the IRTP Part D PDP Working Group Meeting, Monday 16 September 2013 Best, Lars Draft Agenda IRTP Part D Working Group Meeting - 16 September 2013 15 UTC for other place see http://tinyurl.com/oraytbz 1. Roll Call / SOI Updates 2. Review discussion and formulate recommendations on Charter Question c) 3. Review discussion and formulate recommendations on Charter Question e) 4. Review discussion and formulate recommendations on Charter Question f) 5. Next steps / confirm next meeting Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/irtppartd/

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MP3 : IRTP D meeting - Monday 30 September 2013
by Julia Charvolen Sept. 30, 2013

Sept. 30, 2013

Dear All, The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part D Working Group meeting is scheduled for next Monday 07 September 2013 at 1500 UTC. Please find the MP3 recording for the IRTP Part D Working Group call held on Monday 30 September 2013 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20130930-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Volker Greimann – RrSG James Bladel - RrSG Kristine Dorrain – NAF Angie Graves – CBUC Chris Chaplow – CBUC Bartlett Morgan – NCUC Mikey O'Connor – ISPCP Barbara Knight – RySG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Avri Doria – NCSG Apologies: Bob Mountain - RrSG Holly Raiche – ALAC Paul Diaz - RySG ICANN staff: Lars Hoffmann Marika Konings Julia Charvolen ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg Thank you. Kind regards, Julia Charvolen Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 30 September 2013: Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the IRTP Part D PDP Working Group on Monday 30 September 2013 Bladel:Thanks for the Zoom control. :) Julia Charvolen:Avri DOria and Chris Chaplow joined the meeting Volker Greimann:I am now in the meeting# Chris Chaplow:It is a good issue description Bladel:Mine too. Bladel:Are we asking for Compliance Action, or are we establishing TDRP eligibility? Bladel:(call dropped, rejoining) Julia Charvolen:James is back on the call Bladel:Wow...now I know how to fence stolen goods in Germany! Kristine Dorrain:Wow..yeah, sell all stolen art in Germany. :) Chris Chaplow:Isnt SEDO a german company? Bladel:Lol. Kristine Dorrain:the TDRP has a six month expiration.... Avri Doria:auction become domain name laundering? Avri Doria:titles never hurt the auto secnd hand market, but they do create a new bureaucracy. Kristine Dorrain:Mikey, you're thinking of reverse domain name hijacking?? Volker Greimann:I just think that we need to make sure this policy cannot be abused Bladel:I was thinking along the same lines, but Volker said it better. Bladel:We aren't evil enough to put ourselves in the mindset of a hijacker. :) Bladel:BUt it's not free for them to do so... Avri Doria:Is "you can alwsays go to court" a good temrinal postion for us to count on in Policy? Volker Greimann:would we not be better advised to tell the registrant to rely on the courts Bladel:@Avri: I think so. Bladel:Otherwise there is no floor.... Avri Doria:Should our policies be complete. and yes there is court. but for us to assume it is the exit point, is a moveable line. Volker Greimann:I am just saying that arbitration may be good for certain issues, other issues should be relegated to the respective courts Kristine Dorrain:I agree volker Volker Greimann:especially where there is potential for abuse Volker Greimann:"just because you can, does not mean you should" Kristine Dorrain:I'm thinking this way....very low value domain, if the registrar can't fix the wrong, maybe the losing registrant says "that sucks", medium value, maybe they pay to try a TDRP or something, high value, maybe you skip the TDRP and go right to court... Not every avenue is right for every domain name. Kristine Dorrain:and I use the word "value" loosely....it's all relative Avri Doria:also court will get more complicated when we get to multiple jurisdictions - the scaling point we haven't thought of too much. Avri Doria:also in the reverse highjacking we are talking a big-guy highjacker , little guy registrant - court is even less of a slution based on cost than TDRP. Graeme Bunton:thanks mikey Bartlett Morgan:thanks Bladel:Thanks

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IRTP Part D - Monday's Agenda
by Lars Hoffmann Sept. 27, 2013

Sept. 27, 2013

Dear all, Please find below the draft agenda for Monday's call. For your convenience, the current state of recommendations and open questions on Charter Question b) is attached. Have a good weekend best wishes, Lars Proposed Draft Agenda, IRTP Part D PDP Working Group, Monday 23 September 2013, 15 UTC (http://tinyurl.com/q2f3sxe) 1. Roll Call / SOI Updates 2. Update on the sub-grups work on the reformulation of the TDRP 2. Finalize recommendations on Charter Question b) 3. Next steps / confirm next meeting Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/irtppartd/

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Policy staff Workshop 30th Sep - 4th October
by Nathalie Peregrine Sept. 26, 2013

Sept. 26, 2013

Dear all, Our Policy Staff team is having its annual workshop in Los Angeles next week from Monday 30th September to Friday 4th October included. Whilst scheduled conference calls will not be impacted, our response time to emails might be slightly delayed. We apologise for the inconvenience, Kind regards, The GNSO Secretariat

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MP3 : IRTP D meeting - Monday 23 September 2013
by Glen de Saint Géry Sept. 23, 2013

Sept. 23, 2013

Dear All, The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part D Working Group meeting is scheduled for next Monday 23 September 2013 at 1500 UTC. Please find the MP3 recording for the IRTP Part D Working Group call held on Monday 23 September 2013 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20130923-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Paul Diaz - RySG Kristine Dorrain - NAF Angie Graves - CBUC Chris Chaplow - CBUC Bartlett Morgan - NCUC Kevin Erdman - IPC Mikey O'Connor - ISPCP Apologies: Bob Mountain - RrSG Holly Raiche - ALAC Volker Greimann - RrSG ICANN staff: Lars Hoffmann Marika Konings Glen De Saint Géry ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg Thank you. Kind regards, Glen de Saint Géry Adobe Chat Transcript for Monday 23 September 2013: Lars Hoffmann:Welcome ot the IRTP Part D PDP Working Group, Monday 23 September 2013 Mike O'Connor:dang! my computer audio isn't allowed again... rats. dialing in. be there soon. Paul Diaz (Public Interest Registry):Hello, all. I'm covering for Barbara this week, but will be multi-tasking/distracted. Please don't sign me up for new responsibilities and/or ask any detailed Registry-focused questions ;-) Kristine Dorrain:I'm having a hard time getting audio. Be back in a few... Angie Graves:OK for me to stay on, as observer? Angie Graves:If not, I'm glad to drop. Mike O'Connor:Kristine -- the audio's broken. i had to dial in Mike O'Connor:here's the bridge number -- 866-692-5726 code is IRTP Mike O'Connor:i healed itself! Kristine Dorrain:ah... Mike O'Connor:weird. Chris Chaplow:Aplogies to join late, was on another call Bartlett Morgan:apologies as well Chris Chaplow:For clarity - is this a new branch to the other document that Lars sent to the list? Lars Hoffmann:@chris - no, mikey has started no a clean sheet. Lars Hoffmann:*on a clean sheet Chris Chaplow:Is 'comon law trademark very rare these days in UDRP? Kristine Dorrain:No, it's pretty common, but when the mark is common law, you need to show secondary meaning, which a lot of registrants can't do. Most of these cases we see are domainers who lost a somewhat valuable name. They weren't actually running a business with it. Bartlett Morgan 2:Mike, your mic is a bit low Bartlett Morgan 2:yes Bladel:Sorry, Kevin. We cannot hear you Mike O'Connor:here's the bridge number -- 866-692-5726 code is IRTP Kevin Erdman:Phone is not working either Kristine Dorrain:I can join Friday, or not. Your call if you want to invite me, do so, if you guys want to have a go at it first, feel free. Kristine Dorrain:Thank you!

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Draft Agenda and MindMap
by Lars Hoffmann Sept. 20, 2013

Sept. 20, 2013

Dear all, As you might recall from last week's call, the next IRTP Part D meeting (Monday 23 September) was agreed to be a smaller, sub-working group-style meeting to hammer out some concrete recommendations on Charter question c). Kristine, Volker, Bartlett, Mikey and James (in absence) agreed to participate in this effort, the outcome of which will be shared with the entire Group as soon as possible of course. To kick-start the discussion and to give everybody an idea what the issues at stake are, I have drawn up a MindMap which is attached in its original (editable) .mm format and also as a static .pdf (in case you have not installed FreeMind, it is free and available here <http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Download> ). As always, please feel free to suggest additional questions, steps etc, either on the list or during the call. I am looking forward to Monday's call, the proposed draft agenda for which you can find below. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars Proposed Draft Agenda, IRTP Part D PDP Working Group, Monday 23 September 2013 1. Roll Call / SOI Updates 2. Review discussion and formulate recommendations on Charter Question c) 3. Next steps / confirm next meeting Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/irtppartd/

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MP3 : IRTP D meeting - Monday 16 September 2013
by Julia Charvolen Sept. 16, 2013

Sept. 16, 2013

Dear All, The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part D Working Group meeting is scheduled for next Monday 23 September 2013 at 1500 UTC. Please find the MP3 recording for the IRTP Part D Working Group call held on Monday 16 September 2013 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20130916-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Kristine Dorrain – NAF Kevin Erdman – IPC Rob Golding – RrSG Angie Graves – CBUC Volker Greimann - RrSG Bob Mountain – RySG Mikey O'Connor – ISPCP Bartlett Morgan - NCUC Graeme Bunton - RrSG Apologies: Holly Raiche – ALAC Paul Diaz - RySG Chris Chaplow – CBUC ICANN staff: Lars Hoffmann Marika Konings Glen De Saint Géry Julia Charvolen ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg Thank you. Kind regards, Julia Charvolen For GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Monday 16 September 2013: Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the IRTP Part D PDP Working Group, Monday 16 September 2013 Volker Greimann:no microphone enabled today? Volker Greimann:oh, where are my manners? Hello everyone Julia Charvolen:Hello Volker! Julia Charvolen:Yes there is audio enabled AD Julia Charvolen:AC Julia Charvolen:It is on by the way, please let me know if you want to try and connect. I'll tell you if I can hear you Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):I hear voices - i knew that medication wasn't strong enough ;) Julia Charvolen::) Volker Greimann:it is even worse... you are not only hearing voices, but our voices.... Maybe it is the meds themselves... Mike O'Connor:Volker -- are you hearing us? we can't hear you, but maybe you can't hear us asking you to speak either -- it's like your audio is stuck Mike O'Connor:Volker, you may want to drop and reenter the Adobe room. Julia Charvolen:Bartlett Morgan joined the meeting Volker Greimann:hi Mike, I had muted the line, so I did not hear you Julia Charvolen:Bob Mountain joined the meeting Julia Charvolen:Angie Graves joined the call Volker Greimann:remember the sex.com history? Volker Greimann:Imagine that had gone to a registrant transfer process after a few hops Lars Hoffmann:2013 RAA:3.7.7.11 The Registered Name Holder shall agree that its registration of the Registered Name shall be subject to suspension, cancellation, or transfer pursuant to any Specification or Policy, or pursuant to any registrar or registry procedure not inconsistent with any Specification or Policy, (1) to correct mistakes by Registrar or the Registry Operator in registering the name or (2) for the resolution of disputes concerning the Registered Name Lars Hoffmann:irtp is listed as the consensus policies on the icann site - tdrp is not mentioned seperately but is of course part of it. http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/consensus-policies Kristine Dorrain:Yes, Marika, we do that now. Kristine Dorrain:In TDRP, we take in the Complaint, then we go to the Registry for the first level record Kristine Dorrain:We can easily ask around for different doc types as needed Kristine Dorrain:Yeah, UDRP did it right with a "substance" doc and a "rules" doc Kristine Dorrain:Most policies that followed, including URS, married the two and it's a giant PITA Volker Greimann:a bit high? Volker Greimann:oops, wrong chat Kristine Dorrain:Yeah, I can do that. Kristine Dorrain::) Kristine Dorrain:That's why Marika asked me to join this I think. Kristine Dorrain:Volker always provides a good counterpoint to my ideas...we need that. :) Volker Greimann:^_^ Kristine Dorrain:Kevin just emailed that he'd join Kristine Dorrain:Would be hilarious if the Policies were TDRP-A and TDRP-B? Bartlett Morgan::-) Kristine Dorrain:I like that...not adding more meetings is helpful. Julia Charvolen:Thank you everyone

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here's the draft with the minor changes i made on the call today
by Mike O'Connor Sept. 16, 2013

Sept. 16, 2013

hi all, just a few minor revisions in this draft -- primarily documentation for our new drafting subteam -- who will take over our regular call-time next week for their work. Lars will explain all that shortly. mikey PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB: www.haven2.com, HANDLE: OConnorStP (ID for Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.)

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Hack-job revisions to the TDRP based on our recent conversations about access to TDRP for registrants
by Mike O'Connor Sept. 15, 2013

Sept. 15, 2013

hi all, my conclusion, after hacking my way through revising the TDRP based on our recent discussions, is that i'm going to stick to computer programming. legal-documents are too complicated for me. so read this draft *very* carefully, especially you lawyers. i'll walk you through it on the next call. the goals are simple -- make changes that are consistent with what we discussed. it's all in the execution. talk to you soon, mikey PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB: www.haven2.com, HANDLE: OConnorStP (ID for Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.)

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MP3 IRTP Part D Working Group - Monday 9 Septembet 2013 at 15:00 UTC
by Julia Charvolen Sept. 9, 2013

Sept. 9, 2013

Dear All, Given that the 2nd of September is Labour day in the US, the next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part D Working Group meeting is scheduled for next Monday 16 September 2013 at 1500 UTC. Please find the MP3 recording for the IRTP Part D Working Group call held on Monday 9 September 2013 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20130909-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: James Bladel - RrSG Chris Chaplow – CBUC Paul Diaz - RySG Avri Doria - NCSG Kristine Dorrain – NAF Angie Graves – CBUC Barbara Knight – RySG Bob Mountain – RySG Mikey O'Connor – ISPCP Graeme Bunton - RrSG Apologies: Holly Raiche – ALAC Volker Greimann - RrSG ICANN staff: Berry Cobb Julia Charvolen ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg Thank you. Kind regards, Julia Charvolen For GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Monday 9 September 2013: Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the IRTP Part D PDP Working Group, Monday 09 Sepmtember 2013 Chris Chaplow:What is RDNH? Mike O'Connor:registrant Lars Hoffmann:registered domain name holder Julia Charvolen:Kristine Dorrain joined the call Julia Charvolen:Avri Doria joined the meeting Bladel:I thought "reverse domain name hijacking" Thought registrant was "Registered Name HOlder (RNH)" Kristine Dorrain:Just FYI RDNH refers to Reverse Domain Name Hijacking under the UDRP, so that may be a bad acronymn for this. Chris Chaplow:@lars thanks Paul Diaz (Public Interest Registry):please don't conflate acronyms Chris Chaplow:No problem there are plenty of multiple acronyms at ICANN Julia Charvolen:Graeme Bunton joined the call Chris Chaplow:Neither RNH nor RDNH was in the acronym helper but RNHaE - Registered Name Holder at Expiration Chris Chaplow:was included. Julia Charvolen:Bob Mountain joined the call Bob Mountain:Sorry to be late. Chris Chaplow:time wasters Julia Charvolen:Thank you everyone Avri Doria:bye

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