October 2013 - Gnso-irtpd - lists.icann.org

MP3 IRTP D WG - Monday 28 October 2013 at 1500 UTC
by Julia Charvolen Oct. 28, 2013

Oct. 28, 2013

Dear All, The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part D Working Group meeting is scheduled for next Monday 04 November 2013 at 1600 UTC. Please find the MP3 recording for the IRTP Part D Working Group call held on Monday 28 October 2013 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20131028-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>oct The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: James Bladel - RrSG Chris Chaplow – CBUC Avri Doria – NCSG Barbara Knight – RySG Volker Greimann - RrSG Mikey O'Connor – ISPCP Holly Raiche – ALAC Angie Graves – CBUC Graeme Bunton - RrSG Apologies: Kristine Dorrain – NAF Kevin Erdman - IPC Paul Diaz - RySG ICANN staff: Lars Hoffmann Glen De Saint Géry Julia Charvolen ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg Thank you. Kind regards, Julia Charvolen Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 28 October 2013: Lars Hoffmann: Welcome to the IRTP Part D PDP WG Meeting, Monday 28 October 2013 Julia Charvolen: Chris Chaplow joinedd the meeting Julia Charvolen: Volker Greimann joined the call Avri Doria: I think if we don't give the registratn a right to initiaite or her own, we must have a forcing function. Avri Doria: willwe make this an ombudsman duty? Avri Doria: the ombudsman already has this jurisdiction, i expect, it is just that most registrants would not know this. Chris Chaplow: Isnt Ombudsman only cases against ICANN corp and not the stakeholders, must be compliance? Lars Hoffmann: Current 'job description' of the Ombudsman: Lars Hoffmann: http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman Holly Raiche: @Chris - that is my undeerstandingfor Ombudsman jurisdiction Avri Doria: ombudsman can take any case where soemone has been treated unfairly, unless they are an employee Avri Doria: look at the case he filed against the ICC dispute resolution services. Avri Doria: filed on behalf of someone who wanted to file an objection and was late inpaying. Holly Raiche 2: I just had a look at the link Lars provided - and it confines Ombudsman jurisdiction to what ICANN does - so we would need to clarify the jurisdiction issue Avri Doria: reading http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#V i am not sure it would extend to registrars, but to a dispute resoltion service has already been shown. Avri Doria: so it would be a question. Avri Doria: Volchers solution seems very burdenson on the registrant Avri Doria: I think there if the registrant can't do it themselves, someone need to be reponsible for doing on their behalf. Volker Greimann: Avri: The registrant must always be responsible, as the registrant is under normal circumstances the only party actually interested in this Avri Doria: nothing new aded Volker Greimann: you have sun? lucky you. been raining here all day Holly Raiche 2: Agree with the fundamental principle of registrant access to appeal Volker Greimann: Mikey: I agree, that is my impression as well. Volker Greimann: instead of designing two processes that do what they are supposed to do, we are overloading one process with additional goals Holly Raiche 2: makes sense to me Avri Doria: Registrant issues do need to be dealt with, even if they are white whlies. Avri Doria: whales Lars Hoffmann: http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/schedule?date=2013-11-20

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Apologies
by Dorrain, Kristine Oct. 28, 2013

Oct. 28, 2013

I will not be on our call today. Something came up. Kristine Sent from my iPhone

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For your review
by Lars Hoffmann Oct. 26, 2013

Oct. 26, 2013

Dear all Please find below the draft agenda for Monday's call – please note the time which will be an hour earlier in those countries that fall back to winter time on Sunday. Have a good weekend and best wishes, Lars Draft Agenda IRTP Part D PDP Working Group, Monday 28 October 2013 15.00 UTC – local times: http://tinyurl.com/onsktkk 1. Roll Call / SOI Updates 2. Charter Question C - TDRP 3. Next steps / confirm next meeting - note upcoming time change Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/irtppartd/

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MP3 IRTP D - Monday 21 October 2013 at 1500 UTC
by Julia Charvolen Oct. 21, 2013

Oct. 21, 2013

Dear All, The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part D Working Group meeting is scheduled for next Monday 28 October 2013 at 1500 UTC. Please find the MP3 recording for the IRTP Part D Working Group call held on Monday 21 October 2013 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20131021-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>oct The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: James Bladel - RrSG Chris Chaplow – CBUC Kristine Dorrain – NAF Barbara Knight – RySG Volker Greimann - RrSG Mikey O'Connor – ISPCP Holly Raiche – ALAC Angie Graves – CBUC Graeme Bunton - RrSG Apologies: Avri Doria – NCSG Kevin Erdman - IPC ICANN staff: Lars Hoffmann Julia Charvolen ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg Thank you. Kind regards, Julia Charvolen Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 21 October 2013: Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the IRTP Part D PDP WG Meeting, 21 October 2013 Julia Charvolen:To mute *6 Julia Charvolen:unmute *6 again Julia Charvolen:Volker Greimann joined the Adobe Connect Volker Greimann:Hi, I will not be able to speak though Kristine Dorrain:Mikey, let's not forget we need a remedy for improperly NACKed transfer attempts...that appears to be missing. Kristine Dorrain:it's there as (iv) but it needs o be included in (i) Volker Greimann:Kristine: I would hold those were something for Compliance rather than arbitration Kristine Dorrain:Volker, the current TDRP includes improper NACK as an option for TDRP. If you (we) want to remove it, that should go on the "for discussion" list. right now we're just reviewing what the TDRP currently says. Graeme Bunton:Apologies for being so late. Bladel:Hey Graeme. HOw's Adam doing? Kristine Dorrain:In my experience, it's WAY easier to draft Rules once the Policy is finalized Chris Chaplow:I am impressed with you guys knowledge of TDRP. Kristine Dorrain:Now if only there was a cocktail party at which we could bore folks. :) Angie Graves:Heh. I, too, am impressed. h:Makes sense to me h:Should that be something in the definition? Kristine Dorrain:yes, Holly, that was sort of the point of having a definition section in the Rules. :) Kristine Dorrain:Its supplemental Bladel:the latter. Volker Greimann:something is wrong with the audio. either Mikey is very silent, or Kristine very loud Kristine Dorrain:sorry Volker, I think it's me Kristine Dorrain:I must have adjusted my mic volume for some other reason Lars Hoffmann:this is the time for next weeks meeting Lars Hoffmann:http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=IRTP+Part… Graeme Bunton:thanks all

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revised TDRP draft, showing the changes we drove into the draft on the call today
by Mike O'Connor Oct. 21, 2013

Oct. 21, 2013

hi all, here's a redline of the TDRP draft, showing the (mostly notation) changes we made on the call today. mikey PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB: www.haven2.com, HANDLE: OConnorStP (ID for Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.)

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very preliminary TDRP draft
by Mike O'Connor Oct. 21, 2013

Oct. 21, 2013

hi all, the drafting subteam met today and arrived at the following -- it's probably time for us to transition this draft over to Word so that we can start reviewing and redlining in a more traditional way -- so i've converted the mind-map to a word version, which is attached -- we drafting-team folks will give this a hard look to see if we've accidentally broken something that's in the current policy -- we'll do that review in parallel with the full working group for a while -- we're going to take a break from our weekly meetings. we have ideas, but we think those ideas are more policy oriented than mere drafting ideas. once the policy decisions have been made, we'll go back into drafting-team mode to polish things up. so for now, you're all welcome to take a look at this, but it's probably not a good version to really look hard at. we're pretty happy with the way we've reorganized a very complicated policy to be easier to understand and revise. there *are* a few changes in here, but they are easily removed if they conflict with the final decisions of the working group. mikey PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB: www.haven2.com, HANDLE: OConnorStP (ID for Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.)

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Draft Agenda
by Lars Hoffmann Oct. 21, 2013

Oct. 21, 2013

Dear all, Apologies for the delayed draft agenda for today¹s meeting that you can find below. I have also attached Mikey¹s draft again that he sent around on Friday and that will form the basis of today¹s discussions. See you later on the call and best wishes, Lars Draft Agenda IRTP Part D PDP Working Group Meeting, Monday 21 October 2013 15.00 UTC for other times see http://tinyurl.com/mgtk9zz 1. Roll Call / SOI Updates 2. Charter Question 2 - TDRP 3. Next steps / confirm next meeting - note upcoming time change

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IRTP - TDPR subgroup
by Lars Hoffmann Oct. 18, 2013

Oct. 18, 2013

Dear all, As a reminder, please find the dial in details below for our call that is due to start in 13min (20.00 UTC) Adobe Connect room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/irtppartd/ <http://icann.adobeconnect.com/irtppartd/> Please note that there will be NO audio enabled in the Adobe Connect room, so please all dial into the Adigo audio bridge. Audio Passcode 5913 Dial in numbers: USA: toll free: 1 800 550 6865 / toll +1 213 233 3193 For all other numbers: http://www.adigo.com/icann <http://www.adigo.com/icann>

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MP3 IRTP D meeting - 07 October 2013
by Julia Charvolen Oct. 15, 2013

Oct. 15, 2013

Dear All, The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part D Working Group meeting is scheduled for next Monday 14 October 2013 at 1500 UTC. Please find the MP3 recording for the IRTP Part D Working Group call held on Monday 07 October 2013 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20131007-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>oct The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Volker Greimann – RrSG James Bladel - RrSG Kristine Dorrain – NAF Chris Chaplow – CBUC Mikey O'Connor – ISPCP Graeme Bunton - RrSG Avri Doria – NCSG Bob Mountain - RrSG Apologies: Holly Raiche – ALAC Paul Diaz – RySG Bartlett Morgan – NCUC Barbara Knight – RySG Kevin Erdman - IPC Rob Golding - RrSG ICANN staff: Lars Hoffmann Marika Konings Julia Charvolen ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg Thank you. Kind regards, Julia Charvolen Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 07 October 2013: Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the IRTP Part D PDP WG Meeting on Monday, 7 October 2013 Bob Mountain:Morning everyone Graeme Bunton:I bet they are in a conference room together, laughing and twisting their mustaches Kristine Dorrain:LOL Avri Doria:Special place, where did he say? Kristine Dorrain:James, we think it's critical that the Registries weigh in! Kristine Dorrain:One reminder: in the TDRP, the losing Registrar always pays..... Kristine Dorrain:We only need to decide if/how to do a loser pays in the case of the Registrant/claimant Graeme Bunton:Agreed Kristine Dorrain:Avri: There is an issue in the case of a Registrant-claimant as to *who* exactly the "losing party" is Bladel:SPeaking individually, This idea could be a deal-breaker for allowing registrants access to the TDRP Avri Doria:perhaps then we are looking for somethng other than aan ICANN DR process. Bladel::) Avri Doria:James how ICANN of you. (-: Bladel:Yes, we have become creatures of our environment. :) Kristine Dorrain:James, it's hard to think of a policy that works for registrars that do work hard for their customers and to resolve conflicts and how to deal with really PITA registrars. Bladel:Espeically given that the latter will just pass those fees thru to the affected party. Avri Doria:i owuld assume that registrars that do the right thing and serve their customers are not the ones that will be hit by these disputes. Avri Doria:well if passing the fees through to the a third party bad buy is an option, then what is the problem? Avri Doria:... a thrid party bad guy ... Volker Greimann:I can see how this would be modeled on the UDRP, so if you bring a process, you pay Kristine Dorrain:Actually Avri...people who use good registrars still get their names stolen. Julia Charvolen:recordings are stopped i AC room Bladel:Hijackers tend to use terrble credit cards. ;) Avri Doria:i think all of my credit cards are terrible. Julia Charvolen:Thank you Marika Konings:Do note that the publication deadline for Buenos Aires is 28 October.... Marika Konings:so if the intention is to obtain community input during BA, you are expected to publish by that date. Marika Konings:However, if you are only planning to present / share the findings of the report, there may be more flexibility Marika Konings:You may also want to consider to present the report during BA and then formally publish it right after BA for public comment Marika Konings:to not get into trouble with the publication deadline and people complaining about releasing documents just prior to an ICANN meeting

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TDRP working-/subgroup, Friday 20.00 UTC
by Lars Hoffmann Oct. 14, 2013

Oct. 14, 2013

Dear all, Following today¹s call, please note that the TDRP working-/subgroup will meet on Friday at 20.00 UTC. The Group is open to all Working Group members and if you would like to participate please note that an invite with the call details will go out later this week once the AC room and the recording has been set up. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars

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