November 2015 - Gnso-ncph-leadership

Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council Chair Elections/Vice Chair Selection
by Greg Shatan Nov. 18, 2015

Nov. 18, 2015

NCSG Leadership, I'm following up on Wolf-Ulrich's email below. Thanks! Greg On Monday, November 9, 2015, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben(a)t-online.de> wrote: > > Hi David, > > I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Amr's email from Nov 06 indicated > the NCSG's agreement to Heather's selection as VC from the NCPH - at least > I did understand so. > So I'm a little confused why a formal election should now take place. > There is no need for the CSG to do so, I'm sure. > > Please shed some light on the process. > > Wolf-Ulrich > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: David Cake > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:21 PM > To: Amr Elsadr > Cc: gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org > Subject: Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council > ChairElections/Vice Chair Selection > > Personally, speaking as a councillor, I'd like there to be at least some, > however abbreviated, formal election for vice-chair. Ncsg councillors > aren't bound, and I wouldn't want to presume how all will vote based on > discussion. > > Speaking as acting co-chair etc, planning for the next meeting is already > fairly advanced, and while I appreciate Greg's understanding of how busy > IGF can be, I'm sure I can keep up with planning. I'd think having the > changeover at the conclusion of that meeting would be a practical point. > Though I'd be happy to keep Heather in the loop, so to speak. > > David > > Sent from my iPad > > On 9 Nov 2015, at 12:53 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr(a)egyptig.org> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Agreed. I don’t see any reason why we need to delay seating Heather as >> the council VC for the NCPH. I know that there are members of the GNSO >> Secretariat subscribed to this list, but if needed, we should reach out to >> Glen for some direction on how to move forward as expeditiously as possible. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Amr >> >> On Nov 6, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On a separate but related note, I am confident that we have consensus on >>> placing Heather Forrest in the Vice Chair seat. >>> >>> I would also like to congratulate Heather, and thank the NCSG for at >>> least fulfilling that part of my slogan. :-) I think it's a good place for >>> us as a House to be. >>> >>> I also want to thank David for his (continuing) service, and for his >>> poise and equanimity in riding the 48-hour rollercoaster he found himself >>> on in Dublin. >>> >>> A process question then, is when Heather should be seated as Vice Chair. >>> There is an argument for doing it immediately, so that Heather can >>> participate in the preparations for the next Council meeting and serve in >>> that capacity at that meeting. I would also note that David will be >>> attending IGF, in spite of the best efforts of the Brazilian Embassy in >>> Canberra to thwart him, and thus will be somewhat stretched and stressed in >>> the time prior to the next Council meeting. There's also an argument to be >>> made for continuity, of course. >>> >>> In my opinion, the balance of factors suggest that Heather should be >>> seated sooner rather than later, and Glen should be informed that Heather >>> will serve as Vice-Chair effective upon receipt of notification. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> Acclamation may be procedurally and logistically awkward, and I am >>> certainly not wedded to it. I think the general idea was to signal, if >>> possible, that the Council and the community should not expect a replay of >>> "None of the Above." >>> >>> Nominating Bladel would have signaled that, but also would have signaled >>> other things that some (if not all) of us did not want to signal. >>> >>> A statement before the vote might have a similar (but more informal) >>> effect. >>> >>> I realize the NCSG, due to the "non-directed voting" rule, may have >>> difficulty making any kind of statement before the vote, unless it was made >>> by the NCSG Councilors. The CSG would have an easier time making such a >>> statement (and might have more reason to do so, given the fallout in >>> Dublin). We should consider whether any kind of (joint or several) >>> statement(s) makes sense, or whether we should just let things move toward >>> the vote. It may make sense to wait until after the GNSO Council meeting >>> where James will speak once again with the Council. It may also make sense >>> to see if our non-nomination is misconstrued, before making a statement (if >>> any). >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin < >>> stephanie.perrin(a)mail.utoronto.ca> wrote: >>> Congratulations Heather, and thank you so much for your graciousness and >>> willingness to serve in this capacity. >>> Stephanie Perrin >>> >>> >>> On 2015-11-06 4:57, Heather Forrest wrote: >>> Dear Amr, all, >>> >>> I appreciate faith you've put in me to occupy the Vice Chair's position >>> and will serve to the very best of my ability. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Heather >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Amr Elsadr <aelsadr(a)egyptig.org> >>> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 20:11 >>> To: Tony Holmes >>> Cc: Heather Forrest; Greg Shatan; gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council Chair >>> Elections/Vice Chair Selection >>> >>> Hi Greg and all, >>> >>> Apologies about not responding to this in time to meet the nomination >>> deadline. Time zones difference. If there are no objections, we could still >>> submit the short statement that Greg drafted. It seems pretty factual and >>> straight forward. Thanks for drafting it Greg, but if you could change the >>> signatory for the NCSG to “Tapani Tarvainen - Chair, NCSG”, I’d appreciate >>> it. >>> >>> Apart from the letter, we’ve been discussing our other outstanding >>> issues within the NCSG over the past few days. If we have been a bit slow >>> in responding, it’s most likely because folks are prepping and travelling >>> to the IGF (not me though). >>> >>> First, the NCSG is very much looking forward to Heather Forrest taking >>> over as the next Council Vice Chair from the NCPH. Thanks for your >>> willingness to serve, Heather. We can communicate this decision (assuming >>> that we have consensus) to Glen, so that Heather can be formally recognised >>> prior to the next council meeting on November 19th. >>> >>> Regarding the Council Chair elections, a number of NCSG councillors have >>> voiced support for James, however, some concern was raised regarding the >>> suggestion of replacing a vote with an acclamation. Procedurally, I’m not >>> sure how it would be pulled off, as a candidate needs 60% of the votes from >>> each house to be elected. This may indicate that a vote is necessary. It >>> may also go to reason that if the candidate has the unanimous support of >>> the council members, then (s)he would undoubtedly have the required 60% of >>> votes of each house. I’m still not clear on the procedural bit though. >>> >>> Another issue we have with “acclamation” is that, as you all know by >>> now, the NCSG does not direct the votes of its councillors. I’ve heard from >>> the majority of our councillors, but not all of them. Those who have spoken >>> up have declared support for James. However, in the event that even one of >>> our councillors may wish to vote the other way, I believe it would be >>> appropriate to allow for that possibility. @Greg: Sorry if that messed up >>> the slogan. :) >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Amr >>> >>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Tony Holmes <tonyarholmes(a)btinternet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> From: gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto: >>> gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces(a)icann.org] On Behalf Of Heather Forrest >>> Sent: 06 November 2015 00:11 >>> To: Greg Shatan; Amr Elsadr >>> Cc: gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council Chair >>> Elections/Vice Chair Selection >>> >>> Dear Greg, >>> >>> I'm pleased to support your text and the concept of notifying Glen for >>> courtesy. This approach communicates more than what the mere words state, >>> and I agree with that message. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Heather >>> >>> >>> From: gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces(a)icann.org < >>> gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Greg Shatan < >>> gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com> >>> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 9:29 >>> To: Amr Elsadr >>> Cc: gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council Chair >>> Elections/Vice Chair Selection >>> >>> I think it would make sense for Marika to be sent formal notice that the >>> NCPH has chosen not to nominate a candidate in this second round of >>> elections. Otherwise, we run the risk that it looks like we forgot. >>> Clearly that's the decision we've made, so we might as well look decisive, >>> rather than forgetful. >>> >>> There is no one person authorized to speak for the CSG (much less the >>> NCPH). However, this needs to come from a member of one SG (email being >>> what it is), but would look best signed by a representative of each SG. >>> >>> I'm happy to send and sign on behalf of whoever is appropriate from the >>> NCSG side. Or vice versa. Or it can come from any two appropriate people. >>> >>> The text should be very simple. I propose (names are just placeholders): >>> >>> The Non-Contracted Parties House has chosen not to to nominate a >>> candidate for Chair of the GNSO Council. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Greg Shatan >>> President, IPC, for the Commercial Stakeholder Group >>> Amr Elsadr >>> Chair, NCSG Policy Committee, for the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> Amr, >>> >>> This is where I think the CSG stands (I'm sure I will be corrected by >>> others on the list, if I get it wrong). >>> >>> On the chair front, we have now had a conference call with James Bladel >>> where we were able to speak at greater length with James. At this point, >>> it seems unlikely (from the CSG point of view) that the NCPH would seek to >>> nominate a candidate to oppose James (especially since CSG and NCSG haven't >>> discussed the matter, and we are about 24 hours away from the deadline for >>> nominations). Actually nominating James seems unlikely, at best. However, >>> we have considered the possibility of suggesting that James be elected "by >>> acclamation" rather than going to a ballot (if that is procedurally >>> feasible). >>> >>> On the Vice Chair front, I can confirm that Heather is more than willing >>> to serve as Vice Chair, and the CSG fully supports Heather in that regard. >>> Recognizing that we need to resolve the long-term issue of how to choose >>> and/or rotate the VC slot between the SGs, it would be great if the CSG and >>> NCSG could come together on Heather at this time. >>> >>> Our possible campaign slogan: "Acclaim for James! Come Together on >>> Heather!" >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr(a)egyptig.org> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Reposting as it seems we may have had some new subscriptions to this >>> list over-night. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Amr >>> >>> On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr(a)egyptig.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I’m hoping that by now, everybody who needs to be on this list is >>> actually subscribed to it. >>> >>> I was wondering if (and how) folks would like to begin a discussion on >>> the next round of elections. The deadline to nominate candidates is on >>> November 5th. Although the CPH hasn’t submitted a candidate yet, my >>> understanding is that they plan on running James Bladel again. >>> >>> During the council development session, we had discussed the possibility >>> of trying to have a candidate by consensus, and only resorting to voting as >>> a last resort. I’m not sure we can do this over the next few days, but >>> would be happy to learn that we can. Hearing from others here seems like a >>> reasonable first step to me. >>> >>> We may also want to discuss the selection of a VC from the NCPH. My >>> understanding is that Heather Forrest is willing to serve in this capacity. >>> I would be grateful to hear thoughts on this as well. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Amr >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gnso-ncph-leadership mailing list >>> Gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ncph-leadership >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gnso-ncph-leadership mailing list >>> Gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ncph-leadership >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gnso-ncph-leadership mailing list >>> Gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ncph-leadership >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gnso-ncph-leadership mailing list >>> Gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ncph-leadership >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gnso-ncph-leadership mailing list >>> Gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ncph-leadership >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gnso-ncph-leadership mailing list >> Gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ncph-leadership >> > _______________________________________________ > Gnso-ncph-leadership mailing list > Gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ncph-leadership > _______________________________________________ > Gnso-ncph-leadership mailing list > Gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ncph-leadership

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Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council Chair Elections/Vice Chair Selection
by Greg Shatan Nov. 9, 2015

Nov. 9, 2015

I think it would make sense for Marika to be sent formal notice that the NCPH has chosen not to nominate a candidate in this second round of elections. Otherwise, we run the risk that it looks like we forgot. Clearly that's the decision we've made, so we might as well look decisive, rather than forgetful. There is no one person authorized to speak for the CSG (much less the NCPH). However, this needs to come from a member of one SG (email being what it is), but would look best signed by a representative of each SG. I'm happy to send and sign on behalf of whoever is appropriate from the NCSG side. Or vice versa. Or it can come from any two appropriate people. The text should be very simple. I propose (names are just placeholders): *The Non-Contracted Parties House has chosen not to to nominate a candidate for Chair of the GNSO Council.* *Best Regards,* *Greg Shatan* *President, IPC, for the Commercial Stakeholder Group* *Amr Elsadr* *Chair, NCSG Policy Committee, for the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group* On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Amr, > > This is where I think the CSG stands (I'm sure I will be corrected by > others on the list, if I get it wrong). > > On the chair front, we have now had a conference call with James Bladel > where we were able to speak at greater length with James. At this point, > it seems unlikely (from the CSG point of view) that the NCPH would seek to > nominate a candidate to oppose James (especially since CSG and NCSG haven't > discussed the matter, and we are about 24 hours away from the deadline for > nominations). Actually nominating James seems unlikely, at best. However, > we have considered the possibility of suggesting that James be elected "by > acclamation" rather than going to a ballot (if that is procedurally > feasible). > > On the Vice Chair front, I can confirm that Heather is more than willing > to serve as Vice Chair, and the CSG fully supports Heather in that regard. > Recognizing that we need to resolve the long-term issue of how to choose > and/or rotate the VC slot between the SGs, it would be great if the CSG and > NCSG could come together on Heather at this time. > > Our possible campaign slogan: "Acclaim for James! Come Together on > Heather!" > > Greg > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr(a)egyptig.org> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Reposting as it seems we may have had some new subscriptions to this list >> over-night. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Amr >> >> > On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr(a)egyptig.org> wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I’m hoping that by now, everybody who needs to be on this list is >> actually subscribed to it. >> > >> > I was wondering if (and how) folks would like to begin a discussion on >> the next round of elections. The deadline to nominate candidates is on >> November 5th. Although the CPH hasn’t submitted a candidate yet, my >> understanding is that they plan on running James Bladel again. >> > >> > During the council development session, we had discussed the >> possibility of trying to have a candidate by consensus, and only resorting >> to voting as a last resort. I’m not sure we can do this over the next few >> days, but would be happy to learn that we can. Hearing from others here >> seems like a reasonable first step to me. >> > >> > We may also want to discuss the selection of a VC from the NCPH. My >> understanding is that Heather Forrest is willing to serve in this capacity. >> I would be grateful to hear thoughts on this as well. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Amr >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Gnso-ncph-leadership mailing list >> > Gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >> > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ncph-leadership >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gnso-ncph-leadership mailing list >> Gnso-ncph-leadership(a)icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ncph-leadership >> > >

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Contracted Parties House (Re)Nomination for GNSO Council Chair
by Greg Shatan Nov. 7, 2015

Nov. 7, 2015

All, The Contracted Parties House has provided timely notice to the Council of the nomination of James Bladel for GNSO Council Chair. Email copied below, as forwarded by Glen de Saint Gery. We really need to provide our notice as well (apologies for communicating so late in the day). [council] TR: GNSO Chair Nomination - *To*: "GNSO Council List (council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> - *Subject*: [council] TR: GNSO Chair Nomination - *From*: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx> - *Date*: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 23:02:31 +0000 - *Accept-language*: fr-FR, en-US - *In-reply-to*: <B0535C2F-F951-43EF-82B1-00DBE5270617(a)blacknight.com> - *List-id*: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - *References*: <B0535C2F-F951-43EF-82B1-00DBE5270617(a)blacknight.com> - *Sender*: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - *Thread-index*: AQHRF1Ofl2oK426/RUWkaigEICrmCZ6MeN4A - *Thread-topic*: GNSO Chair Nomination ------------------------------ Councillors, FYI please see the message forwarded by Michele Neylon. Reminder of the proposed time line for GNSO Council Chair Elections:http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg17597.html Proposed Timeline for GNSO Council Chair Elections 5 November - Deadline for nominations ('Each house will be allowed to nominate one candidate for GNSO Council Chair') 12 November - Deadline for candidate statements: 19 November Council meeting (possibly extend meeting by 1 hour?) - Interview with candidates 20 November - Ballots send out by GNSO Secretariat - deadline for votes Monday 23 November 24 November - Results announced by GNSO Secretariat If second round is needed, 24 November, second round ballots are sent out (deadline for votes Thursday 26 November) 27 November, results of second round announced by GNSO Secretariat Thank you. Kind regards, Glen -----Message d'origine----- De : Michele Neylon - Envoyé : mercredi 4 novembre 2015 23:53 Glen The RrSG and RySG, collectively the CPH, wish to nominate Mr James Bladel for the position of Chair of the GNSO Council Should you have require any further information please let us know Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domainshttp://www.blacknight.host/http://blog.blacknight.com/http://ceo.hos… -------------------------------

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Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council Chair Elections/Vice Chair Selection
by David Cake Nov. 6, 2015

Nov. 6, 2015

I'm very happy with the outcome here. FWIW, I think the decision to declare a decision as being ' by acclamation' is a decision made by whoever is chairing that part of the meeting, which we (the council) have not yet determined. David

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Fw: GNSO council chair election
by WUKnoben Nov. 6, 2015

Nov. 6, 2015

All, following Amr’s E-Mail I’ve taken the liberty to send the agreed message to Marika and Glen. I think (and wish) Greg is still dreaming – hopefully not about elections...and time is due. Thanks and best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: WUKnoben Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 10:29 AM To: Marika Konings ; Glen de Saint Gery Subject: GNSO council chair election Dear Marika and Glen, the Non-Contracted Parties House has chosen not to nominate a candidate for Chair of the GNSO Council. Best regards, Wolf-Ulrich Knoben – Vice chair ISPCP Constituency, for the Commercial Stakeholder Group Tapani Tarvainen - Chair, NCSG

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GNSO Council Chair Elections/Vice Chair Selection
by Amr Elsadr Nov. 4, 2015

Nov. 4, 2015

Hi all, I’m hoping that by now, everybody who needs to be on this list is actually subscribed to it. I was wondering if (and how) folks would like to begin a discussion on the next round of elections. The deadline to nominate candidates is on November 5th. Although the CPH hasn’t submitted a candidate yet, my understanding is that they plan on running James Bladel again. During the council development session, we had discussed the possibility of trying to have a candidate by consensus, and only resorting to voting as a last resort. I’m not sure we can do this over the next few days, but would be happy to learn that we can. Hearing from others here seems like a reasonable first step to me. We may also want to discuss the selection of a VC from the NCPH. My understanding is that Heather Forrest is willing to serve in this capacity. I would be grateful to hear thoughts on this as well. Thanks. Amr

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