April 2014 - Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg

TR: At-Large Policy Development Process (PDP) on Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues Workspace
by Glen de Saint Géry April 17, 2014

April 17, 2014

Dear All, Please see the message below from the chair of the ALAC, Olivier Crepin-Leblond. Thank you. Kind regards, Glen De : Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [mailto:ocl@gih.com] Envoyé : vendredi 18 avril 2014 00:16 À : Glen de Saint Géry; gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org Cc : Ariel Liang; Evan Leibovitch; Holly Raiche; Carlton Samuels; Alan Greenberg; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Objet : Re: At-Large Policy Development Process (PDP) on Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues Workspace Dear Glen, thank you for having transmitted this information to the constituencies and stakeholder groups. Our schedule has slipped and we are therefore looking at submitting the "ALAC Statement on Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues" rather late. The ALAC met in Singapore and discussed the matter. The Statement that was drafted is now undergoing final review by the At-Large Community. These things take time. We expect the Statement to be delivered to you for forwarding to the GNSO WG on this PDP by Thursday 24 April 2014. With sincere apologies for the very late reply I hope that the ALAC Statement will be helpful to the Working Group in reaching consensus. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair On 28/02/2014 08:30, Glen de Saint Géry wrote: Dear Ariel, Thank you very much for this information, we will transmit it to the constituencies and stakeholder groups. Kind regards, Glen De : Ariel Liang [mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org] Envoyé : vendredi 28 février 2014 01:02 À : gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> Cc : Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Evan Leibovitch; Holly Raiche; Carlton Samuels; Alan Greenberg; ICANN At-Large Staff Objet : COMPLETED: At-Large Policy Development Process (PDP) on Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues Workspace Dear Glen, I hope you had a great day. My name is Ariel, the new At-Large Policy Coordinator. It is nice to e-meet you. I would like to let you know that the following wiki page has been created: https://community.icann.org/x/UBTRAg. ALAC would likely need until the Singapore meeting to submit our input. Thank you, Ariel Xinyue (Ariel) Liang | Washington DC At-Large Policy Coordinator Direct +1 (202) 249-7552 Mobile +1 (310) 804-2761 Email ariel.liang(a)icann.org<mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org> Web www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org> [cid:part5.03060306.00060309@gih.com]

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Following up today's discussion on transferring names
by Maria Farrell April 15, 2014

April 15, 2014

Dear Don / Steve / James and Mary, Thanks so much for the presentation on today's call. I learnt a lot about how the privacy & proxy services interact with the transfer policies, which was hugely helpful. Can we make sure we tie this information / discussion into the relevant work items? My suggestion is that we would come back to what we learnt today when we come to talk about 'relay', and also towards the end of our work in the wrap-up side of things to do a sanity check on how any possible recommendations might impact on the transfer policy. Does that make sense? Or perhaps it fits into other areas I haven't considered. Many thanks to James for the presentation. All the best, Maria

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MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 15 April 2014 at 1400 UTC
by Terri Agnew April 15, 2014

April 15, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 15 April 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140415-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Luc Seufer - RrSG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Tim Ruiz - RrSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Kathy Kleiman - RySG Darcy Southwell - RrSG Libby Baney - BC Roy Balleste - NCUC Susan Prosser - RrSG Justin Macy - BC Jim Bikoff - IPC David Heasley - IPC Michele Neylon - RrSG Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Jennifer Standiford - RrSG James Bladel - RrSG Volker Greimann - RrSG Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG Carlton Samuels - ALAC Maria Farrell - NCUC Paul McGrady - IPC Tobias Sattler - RrSG Phil Marano - IPC Christain Dawson - ISPCP Laura Jedeed - BC Don Blumenthal - RySG Griffin Barnett - IPC Gema Campillos - GAC Stephanie Perrin - NCSG Valeriya Sherman - IPC Frank Michlick - RrSG Apologies: Kristina Rosette - IPC Sarah Wyld - RrSG Holly Raiche - ALAC Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC Amr Elsadr - NCUC Joe Catapano -Staff ICANN staff: Mary Wong Amy Bivins Mike Zupke Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 15 April 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 15 April 2014 Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 15 April 2014 Osvaldo Novoa:Hello everyone Don Blumenthal:Good morning Osvaldo Carlton Samuels:Hello All. Good morning maria farrell:hi all Terri Agnew:Maria I have you on attendance list maria farrell:Thanks so much, Terri. Terri Agnew:Susan Prosser has joined Terri Agnew:Jennifer Standiford has joined Tim Ruiz:Good morning. Sorry to be a little late. Terri Agnew:Hi Tim, I have you on attendance list Terri Agnew:Volker Greimann has joined Terri Agnew:Tobias Sattler has joined Tobias Sattler:Sorry for being late. Luc Seufer:bah. No biggy it's just another Baldel presentation Michele Neylon:Well you'd need to have the key before you place the order with us Luc Seufer:;-) Michele Neylon:no key => no order Luc Seufer:same at EuroDNS. Michele Neylon:GD being Special Tatiana Khramtsova:RU-CENTER procedure is the same as GD Don Blumenthal:Sorry for losing sight of the queue also. I've been entertained by the presentation but also the chat. Mary Wong:Re Kathy's question - please see the last question on the right side (in the Notes pod). Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined Frank Michlick:Show of hands, who tries to transfer/parse thin registry information? Frank Michlick:(whois information that is) Mary Wong:These were some additional questions that had been circulated to the WG list some time ago in the hope of generating some information/discussion. Michele Neylon:thick whois solves a lot of this Mary Wong:For your convenience, this is the relevant IRTP question: In relation to the IRTP, should there be any restrictions concerning transfers of P/P registrations? (e.g. some of the terms and conditions require the P/P services to be removed during the transfer process). Depending on the response to this question, all communications in the IRTP currently go via the transfer contact (Registered Name Holder / Admin Contact). Should there be any requirements for this information to also be communicated to the P/P customer? What happens if there is a disagreement relating to the transfer between the P/P provider and the P/P customer? steve metalitz:Could someone explain further how thick Whois would help the problem of needing to exit the service before transfer? The thcik Whois would have the same data as the registrar has in a thin environment. Carlton Samuels:Yes. transfers between registrars is not reliable in thin registries. Came up before and Thick registreies with EPP is the answer. Kathy K:"valid key" = authinfo code? Bladel:Yes. Kathy K:Tx! Kathy K:Interesting, tx you Volker! Don Blumenthal:As far as I know, only two reistry operators are on the WG, PIR and Rightside. Bladel:Are we done with slides? I think we might be done. :) Kathy K:Can we continue through the slides? They are very valuable! Don Blumenthal:James asked for questions at the strart. :) Kathy K:Is there a way to create a footnote in our materials to revisit these issues when we reach the Relay questions? Mary Wong:@Kathy, we were hoping that the transfer/renewal-specific questions posted in the Notes pod (and circulated previously) can be discussed here so that we can incorporate them into the template. Tim Ruiz:@Steve, Thick registries would have to add that option to their data collection and that puts that data in yet another entities hands. So it might not be ideal for all users seeking privacy in all situations. Mary Wong:(as part of Cat B Q3, second half of that question) Tim Ruiz:In addition, the entire transfer process would have to change for those transfers. Carlton Samuels:The Thick Registry would have the P/P provider information not the underlying privacy client data Tim Ruiz:So my question is: how do we deal with transfers in p/p setting WITHOUT having to also initiate a transfer PDP to deal with the process changes. Tim Ruiz:@Michele, those are enforcement issues. If ICANN cannot enforce its policies, then we are all wasting our time. Mary Wong:@Tim, our suggestion is for this WG to come up with some suggestions (per the questions on the right). These can then be evaluated against the current transfer processes (and IRTP implementation) to see if there are any potential conflicts or problems. Tim Ruiz:If someone has the authcode, why is anything else necessary? The underlying user gets the authcode from the p/p provider and provides that to the new registrar. Once the valid authcode is presented to the registry it allows the transfer. Terri Agnew:Gema Campillos has joined Tim Ruiz:@Kathy. Exactly. steve metalitz:@Tim, this assumes that the proxy provide associated with the losing registrar is obligated to cooperate with the transfer process. It sounds as though that is not the status quo. Tim Ruiz:@Steve, but that's the kind of thing we are here to change, right? Stephanie Perrin:My apologies for being late. Netmundial seems to rule life these days. Michele Neylon:unless you sign in blood it's not 100% secure tbh Terri Agnew:Stephanie I have added you to attendance list Paul McGrady:Apologies, but I need to leave the call early today due to another committment. Thank you for this presentation and all of the important issues it raises for our consideration. Don Blumenthal:Tim, is the point about a losing registrar a general Rr conduct problem or relatred to p/p issues? Michele Neylon:Don - p/p more than anything probably . Michele Neylon:or maybe I'm missing the context Terri Agnew:Val Sherman has joined Don Blumenthal:Or I missed the point of something. Michele Neylon:Why was Frank Michlick kicked off Adobe?? Mary Wong:@Michele, he is not a member of this WG and did not respond to several messages asking for clarification. Michele Neylon:he's on the list Mary Wong:The WG mailing list? I will need to check in with him then about membership and an SOI. Michele Neylon:please do Mary Wong:I will, thanks, Michele. Michele Neylon:He's crying over IM here Michele Neylon:it's very sad Michele Neylon:grown German crying Luc Seufer:We have a limit on the number of Canadians (and assimilated) we can have on the same working group Mary Wong:Please let him know we're sorry if there was a mistake but we don't have him on the membership list and we sent several private messages without response. Michele Neylon:Mary - he probably can't see them Tim Ruiz:@james, could you describe that problem? Mary Wong:@Michele, they were PMs in this Adobe room :) Tim Ruiz:@James, I think its called email ;-) Terri Agnew:Stephanie please check your mute steve metalitz:Are we going to address the questions on right hand side? Kathy K:I think we have a number of points to return to in later discussions. Mary Wong:@Steve that would be our recommendation. Stephanie Perrin:Sorry, mic not working . I just wanted to follow up on the remark citing mikey about how much is loaded on the auth code.....what exactly does that do to its reliability? Don Blumenthal:Steve, Thanks. I often lose sight of the notes panel Kathy K:Stephanie Mary Wong:The last question in the Notes pad is specific to IRTP. where the others are more relevant to ERRP. Bladel:PEDNR PSTD Kathy K:Interesting steve metalitz:Thanks Michele. How woudl this be handled in the case of an accrdited proxy service provider that is not affiliated wtih the registrar? Kathy K:+1 Tim - this makes a lot of sense - and seems to hold the keys to a resolution of the issues we are wrestlin gwith Kathy K:Don, before we leave the document, could Mary perhaps describes any recent updates to it? Don Blumenthal:OK Mary Wong:@Kathy, we added your suggestion of yesterday - you'll see it in the second column as displayed here. steve metalitz:Whatdoes RAE mean in the 2d and 3d questions on right of screen? Don Blumenthal:Remember to scroll down. Adobe session participants control the screen when templates are up Mary Wong:Registration At Expiration I believe. Michele Neylon:correct Kathy K:Tx you! (text is coming out very small... maybe time for new glasses :-)) Mary Wong:Oops, sorry, RegistRANT at Expiration Bladel:but from their REGISTRAR? Carlton Samuels:"vigorously" is right! Stephanie Perrin:@James re forwarding...I think this is a key question, as Michele is pointing out. That list should be limited and specific in my view, as Michele is pointing out.... Bladel:Agree. Bladel:Failure to relay unsoliciated emails from 3rd parties means the P/P service is working. Luc Seufer:@STephanie which list? Tim Ruiz:@Stephanie, anything related to their domain name that is critical, renewals, transfers, etc. Stephanie Perrin:@James, and thanks for tthe clarification re the auth code...that helps. Carlton Samuels:@Michele interesting piece of info Bladel::) Bladel:that's ICANN..... Kathy K:makes sense, Michele, but the operational emails from Registrars being passed on makes sense - I think Registrants want these! steve metalitz:excellent presentation and discussion today Tim Ruiz:Thanks James and Don and all! Bye. Kathy K:Tx All! Stephanie Perrin:indeed, excellent presentation and slides! thanks Carlton Samuels:@James: Thanks for the presentation! Very helpful to reinforce some stuff Mary Wong:Thank you all. Bladel:thx Don & team. Phil Marano:Thank you Luc Seufer:THanks all

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Agenda and documents for meeting on Tuesday 15 April
by Mary Wong April 15, 2014

April 15, 2014

Dear WG members, The proposed agenda for our next meeting on Tuesday 15 April is as follows: 1. Roll Call/SOI Update 2. Presentation & Discussion on Relevant Transfer Policies (presentation by James Bladel, Rr SG) 3. Continuation of Discussion on Category B Question 3 4. Next Steps/Next Meeting The documents to be discussed (primarily the draft template for Category B Question 3 and also (just in case, if time permits) the initial draft template for Category C Question 1, as well as the slides that James will be referring to) are accessible on the WG wiki space at https://community.icann.org/x/sDnRAg. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org * One World. One Internet. *

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For your review - revised template Category B - question 3
by Marika Konings April 14, 2014

April 14, 2014

Dear All, Following our call on Tuesday, please find attached the updated template for Cat B Q 3 which aims to capture the main points of discussion as well as a proposed preliminary conclusion based on the deliberations to date ('The WG recommends that any rights, responsibilities and obligations for registrants as well as privacy/proxy providers would need to be clearly communicated in the registration agreement, including any specific requirements applying to transfers and renewals. However, further details as to what minimum requirements for such rights, responsibilities and obligations may be will need to be further discussed by the WG following its review of other charter questions'). If I've missed anything or you have any proposed edits, feel free to share your suggestions with the mailing list. As noted during the call, further input and discussion will be required in relation to the second part of the charter question: clarify how transfers, renewals, and PEDNR policies should apply? Below you will find our initial attempt to identify some of the questions that may need to be addressed in this regard. We hope that WG members, and especially registrars, will be able to add to this list and/or provide some initial thoughts and suggestions. We'll kick off the meeting next week with a short introduction to the Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP), but in the meantime you may already want to review this presentation that was provided by James Bladel for one of the IRTP WGs (Powerpoint <http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/presentation-irtp-c-training-29nov11-en.p df> , Transcript <http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/transcript-irtp-c-training-29nov11-en.pdf> and MP3-Recording <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-c-training-20111129-en.mp3> ). Best regards, Marika From: Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org> Date: Monday 17 March 2014 12:40 To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For your review - template Category B - question 3 Dear All, In preparation for our meeting tomorrow, please find attached the proposed template for Category B question 3 (What rights and responsibilities should domain name registrants that use privacy/proxy services have? What obligations should ICANN-accredited privacy/proxy service providers have in managing these rights and responsibilities? Clarify how transfers, renewals, and PEDNR policies should apply.) If there is any additional information that should be added to the background section, please let me know. In relation to transfers, renewals and PEDNR policies, we've started to develop a list of questions that the WG may need to consider in relation to these policies. If there are any additional questions that should be included, please feel free to suggest. We are hoping that some of the registrar members will be able to shed a light on how these issues are currently handled and whether or not these need to be factored into the WG recommendations. * Per the ERRP, 'registrars must notify the registered name holder of the expiration at least two times'. Should there be a requirement for the P/P provider to pass these notices on to the P/P customer? * Per the ERRP, 'if a registration is not renewed by the RAE or deleted by the registrar, within five days after the expiration of the registration, the registrar must transmit at least one additional expiration notice to the RAE that includes instructions for renewing the registration'. Should there be a requirement for the P/P provider to pass these notices on to the P/P customer? * Per the ERRP, 'beginning at the time of expiration and through the DNS resolution interruption period described in paragraphs 2.2.2 and 2.2.3, the RAE must be permitted by the registrar to renew the expired registration'. What if the underlying customer wants to renew the registration? Idem for restoration during the Redemption Grace Period. * In relation to the IRTP, should there be any restrictions concerning transfers of P/P registrations? (e.g. some of the terms and conditions require the P/P services to be removed during the transfer process). Depending on the response to this question, all communications in the IRTP currently go via the transfer contact (Registered Name Holder / Admin Contact). Should there be any requirements for this information to also be communicated to the P/P customer? What happens if there is a disagreement relating to the transfer between the P/P provider and the P/P customer? Best regards, Marika

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MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 08 April 2014 at 1400 UTC
by Terri Agnew April 8, 2014

April 8, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 08 April 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140408-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140408-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Luc Seufer - RrSG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Tim Ruiz - RrSG Sarah Wyld - RrSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Kathy Kleiman - RySG Darcy Southwell - RrSG Libby Baney - BC Phil Marano - IPC Valeriya Sherman - IPC Roy Balleste - NCUC Holly Raiche - ALAC Susan Prosser - RrSG Kristina Rosette - IPC Justin Macy - BC Jim Bikoff - IPC David Heasley - IPC Amr Elsadr - NCUC Michele Neylon - RrSG Don Moody -IPC Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC Alex Deacon - IPC Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Emily Emanuel - BC Jennifer Standiford - RrSG James Bladel - RrSG Volker Greimann - RrSG Gema Campillos - GAC Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG Apologies: Carlton Samuels - ALAC Maria Farrell - NCUC Paul McGrady - IPC Tobias Sattler - RrSG ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Amy Bivins Margie Milam Mike Zupke Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 08 April 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting of 8 April 2014 Libby Baney:Good morning / afternoon Terri Agnew:Hello Libby Osvaldo Novoa:Hello everyone Valeriya Sherman:Morning! David Heasley is on the call Valeriya Sherman:also Terri Agnew:Emily Emanuel has joined Terri Agnew:Jennifer Standiford has joined Terri Agnew:Michele Neylon has joined Mary Wong:The EWG Survey Results Summary you see on screen here has been uploaded to the WG wiki. Graeme Bunton:https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/47264616/EWG%20PP%20 Survey%20Summary%20of%20Results%2014%20March.pdf?version=1&modificationDate= 1396885484000&api=v2 Terri Agnew:David Heasley has joined Terri Agnew:Susan Prosser has joined Terri Agnew:Luc Seufer has joined Bladel:James Bladel joined. Apologies for my tardiness. Terri Agnew:James I have you added to attendance Terri Agnew:Amr Elsadr has joined Amr Elsadr:Hi. Dialling in now. steve metalitz:Could staff circulate link to Appendix to EWG survey response summary (see reference in footnote 1)? Mary Wong:On the EWG survey results, it may be helpful for WG members (and their respective SG/Cs) to indicate which (if any) of the findings they think useful for the WG to discuss or fold into our deliberations (and which category/question). Terri Agnew:Marie Laure Lemineur has joined Mary Wong:@Steve, can you clarify the document that has the FN? steve metalitz:The doc first posted in the Adobe room this morning. Mary Wong:Ah, thanks - we will locate and send it ASAP. Thanks! Bladel:The first two sentences of this comment are so generally obvious as to be non-valuable. Michele Neylon:which comment are we looking at? Mary Wong:@Michele, the one by Jim Bikoff and his colleagues. Graeme Bunton:now on to the 2nd comment Luc Seufer:Basic resp. ... Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:@Michele you can scroll through the doc Michele Neylon:I am .. Amr Elsadr:@Graeme: Yeah..., I thought we were still on question 2 today. I guess I missed something. Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined Bladel:I'll dial in. Mary Wong:@Amr, the WG agreed to "park" the outstanding further issues from Q2 for further review, for now. Amr Elsadr:Thanks Mary. I dialled in a few minutes late. Mary Wong:No worries - hopefully this update will also be helpful to other WG members who may have missed it! Graeme Bunton:https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/47264616/PPSAI%20%C2 %AD%20Category%20B%20%C2%AD%20Question%203%20-%20Updated%2018%20March%202014 .doc?version=1&modificationDate=1396964189101&api=v2 Amr Elsadr:+1 @Michele as well as transfer of registrant data across legal jurisdictions with a "thick" whois policy, but that's another story!! :) Kathy Kleiman:I think what James says makes sense Kathy Kleiman:It leaves room for the p/p services as they exist now (largely separate and independent) and in the future, where some may merge or there may be joint services Bladel:Kathy: Yep. They could become resellers of multiple registrars. Volker Greimann:we require the registrant to use the data of the new privacy provider into the whois _before_ a transfer Terri Agnew:Volker I have added you to attendance Luc Seufer:I think every country has some sort of gag order Luc Seufer:so not sure about this distinction Kathy Kleiman::-) Michele Amr Elsadr:@James: Being too specific on accreditation may not be the way to go, but a blanket requirement of following due process as per the governing legal jurisdiction could work, couldn't it? Bladel:Agree with Michele. It is up the the risk tolerance of the servie provider (and the cost). Bladel:@Amr: Yes, that aligns with other policies and the RAA as well. Terri Agnew:Gema Campillos has joined Kathy Kleiman:Sanity?! Bladel:They registered a domain name, so they must be hiding something. :) Libby Baney:Good point Michele steve metalitz:Agree that accreditation standards should be minimum standards. Bladel:lol. Libby Baney:@Michele, +1 Holly Raiche:That statement is aalready in the Final Whois Review Team Report Bladel:+1. It's no more suspicious than an unlisted phone number or joinign the "do not call" list. Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: +1. It would be nice that p/p customers are not by default villains. :) Amr Elsadr:not perceived to be villains. Kathy Kleiman:Yeah! Kathy Kleiman:Can we codify or show strong support as a WG for Michele's comments? Michele Neylon:which one of my comments? Darcy Southwell:@Kathy: Totally agree that p/p customers cannot be immediately assumed to be bad actors just because they bought the service. Amr Elsadr:@Steve: Agree on minimum standards. Kathy Kleiman:@Darcy: tx! Let's codify that as a finding of this WG Gema Campillos:Hi everyone, Steve is giving some sensible ideas. Kathy Kleiman:@Michele: supporting operation of p/p under national laws (theirs) Bladel:Agree with Steve, and that mirrors the Registrars Accrditation program. Kathy Kleiman:Marika: 4th point - the deference to national law (in the jurisdiction of the registrar and p/p provider) Terri Agnew:Tatiana Khramtsova has joined Tim Ruiz:A lot has been said in the past about Registrant Rights, and a document now exists explaining those rights. So it should be perfectly clear to p/p customers as to how those rights are affected or modified by the p/p provider. My two cents. Kathy Kleiman:Would it be possible (needed) to have a longer briefing on transfer policies and issues (for those of us who don't work on this issue regularly)? Kathy Kleiman:something a little more formal? Marika Konings:James actually provided a very good overview to the IRTP WG that we have recorded so I can share that Michele Neylon:Kathy - I was going to offer bribery Luc Seufer:If only we knew someone that has chaired IRTP WG from A to D Bladel:Um. Kathy Kleiman:@Michele: how much? Amr Elsadr:Thanks Marika. Bladel:not sure what I was just drafted for, but happy to help. Kathy Kleiman:Tx James! Bladel:Just ping me offline. Amr Elsadr:hehehe..., and thanks James. Kathy Kleiman:Tx Graeme! Amr Elsadr:Bye all. Thanks. Phil Marano:Thank you, goodbye. marie-laure lemineur:tx bye bye

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Additional document for possible discussion
by Mary Wong April 8, 2014

April 8, 2014

Dear WG members, Following some discussion amongst the WG chairs, we are re-circulating the draft template for Charter Category B, Question 3 in case the WG can complete its discussion on Cat B Q 2 today and so have time to begin deliberations on Q 3. This is the same document from 18 March (ie the last WG call before Singapore), with the additional input from NCSG as noted. Both templates (Q 2 & 3) will be uploaded to the Adobe Connect chat room and the WG wiki for today as well. Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org * One World. One Internet. *

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REMINDER: PLEASE RSVP Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session
by Nathalie Peregrine April 8, 2014

April 8, 2014

Reminder: Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session These ongoing monthly sessions are for new GNSO WG participants to come together and discuss any questions they may have about GNSO Working Groups, procedures and/or processes. We know there is a lot of information to digest when you join a GNSO Working Group and these monthly meetings are an opportunity for newcomers and more experienced participants to meet in an informal setting without the pressure of "real work" that needs be done. The agenda is flexible. The presenters will be ready with a standard set of materials if people would like to discuss them - you can download those materials <http://gnso.icann.org/en/correspondence/presentation-newcomer-27feb14-en.pd f> here if you would like to review them in advance of the meeting. But do not feel constrained to that agenda. Feel free to submit questions, either in advance or at the beginning of the meeting, if there is a topic that you would like to explore in more depth . Providing useful answers to a wide range of questions is part of the reason why these meetings are Thursday 10 April at 12.00 UTC Thursday 1 May at 20.00 UTC Thursday 5 June at 12.00 UTC Thursday 3 July at 20.00 UTC Thursday 7 August at 12.00 UTC Thursday 4 September at 20.00 UTC Thursday 2 October at 12.00 UTC Thursday 6 November at 20.00 UTC Thursday 4 December at 12.00 UTC To convert to your local time zone, please see <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html. If you are interested to join the next meeting on 10 April or any of the future meetings, please let the GNSO Secretariat know ( <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> gnso-secs(a)icann.org) and we will send you the call details. If there are any specific questions you already have, or any overviews or introductions you think would be helpful (e.g. GNSO Policy Development Process or GNSO Working Group guidelines), please let us know in advance and we will prepare materials accordingly. Feel free to share this invitation with others that you think may be interested. We look forward to welcoming you at the next meeting! Nathalie Peregrine GNSO Secretariat

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Agenda for WG meeting & documents for review
by Mary Wong April 8, 2014

April 8, 2014

Dear all, The proposed agenda for the PPSAI WG call on Tuesday 8 March is as follows; attached for your convenience are also the relevant documents, viz. a Summary Report of the EWG P/P Survey Results and the most recent draft template for Category B, Charter Question 2. Both have also been uploaded to the WG wiki, as has the slide deck used by Margie Milam during the WG meeting in Singapore to summarize the EWG findings: https://community.icann.org/x/aDPRAg 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOIs 2. Recap of Singapore meeting EWG survey results & community discussion 3. Recap & resume discussion of WG Charter questions Category B, Question 2 4. Next Steps/Next Meeting Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org * One World. One Internet. *

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PLEASE RSVP Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session
by Nathalie Peregrine April 1, 2014

April 1, 2014

Reminder: Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session These ongoing monthly sessions are for new GNSO WG participants to come together and discuss any questions they may have about GNSO Working Groups, procedures and/or processes. We know there is a lot of information to digest when you join a GNSO Working Group and these monthly meetings are an opportunity for newcomers and more experienced participants to meet in an informal setting without the pressure of real work that needs be done. The agenda is flexible. Mikey OConnor will be ready with a standard set of materials if people would like to discuss them you can download those materials <http://gnso.icann.org/en/correspondence/presentation-newcomer-27feb14-en.pd f> here if you would like to review them in advance of the meeting [insert a link to the slide deck]. But do not feel constrained to that agenda. Feel free to submit questions, either in advance or at the beginning of the meeting, if there is a topic that you would like to explore in more depth . Providing useful answers to a wide range of questions is part of the reason why these meetings are To allow for maximum participation in these calls, the proposed schedule is as follows: Thursday 10 April at 12.00 UTC Thursday 1 May at 20.00 UTC Thursday 5 June at 12.00 UTC Thursday 3 July at 20.00 UTC Thursday 7 August at 12.00 UTC Thursday 4 September at 20.00 UTC Thursday 2 October at 12.00 UTC Thursday 6 November at 20.00 UTC Thursday 4 December at 12.00 UTC To convert to your local time zone, please see <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html. If you are interested to join the next meeting on 10 April or any of the future meetings, please let the GNSO Secretariat know ( <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> gnso-secs(a)icann.org) and they will send you the call details. If there are any specific questions you already have, or any overviews or introductions you think would be helpful (e.g. GNSO Policy Development Process or GNSO Working Group guidelines), please let us know in advance and we will prepare materials accordingly. Feel free to share this invitation with others that you think may be interested. We look forward to welcoming you at the next meeting! Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org

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