September 2014 - Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg

With updated attendance: MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 09 September 2014 at 1400 UTC
by Nathalie Peregrine Sept. 9, 2014

Sept. 9, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 9 September 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140909-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Griffin Barnett – IPC Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG Frank Michlick – Individual Volker Greimann-RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG David Heasley-IPC Jim Bikoff-IPC Chris Pelling – RrSG Tobias Sattler – RrSG Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Justin Macy - BC Susan Kawaguchi – BC Kristina Rosette – IPC Darcy Southwell – RrSG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Paul McGrady – IPC Libby Baney – BC Phil Marano – IPC Holly Raiche – ALAC Sarah Wyld – RrSG Christian Dawson – ISPCP Victoria Scheckler - IPC Michele Neylon – RrSG Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG James Bladel – RrSG Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Val Sherman – IPC David Heasley – IPC Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Luc Seufer – RrSG Keith Kupferschmid – IPC David Hughes – IPC Phil Corwin - BC Apologies : none ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Mike Zupke Amy Bivins Daniela Andela Maryam Bakoshi Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 09 September 2014: Maryam Bakoshi:Dear All, welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting on Tuesday, 9th September 2014 Tobias Sattler:Hi there Chris Pelling:ello Tobias :) Chris Pelling:Hey James and Mike :) Graeme Bunton:Someone is a little huffy puffy on the line Bladel:SOunds like the ocean. :) Mary Wong:Sorry, it may be us in the DC office .... we're in a conference room with blasting AC Val Sherman:Hello All! David Heasley also on the call Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the call, and David has been notedf for attendancem, thanks Val Nathalie Peregrine:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has joined the AC room Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady is also on the call Nathalie Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge Nathalie Peregrine:Kristina Rosette has joined the call Bladel:Are we taking a queue on this? Mary Wong:@James, yes Graeme Bunton:Can do Don Blumenthal:I was about to jump in Bladel:Ok, I'll raise my hand. Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa is also on the call Chris Pelling:can this doc that ICANN has provided for discussion be sent out to us ? Chris Pelling:might be a useful read over a few times Mary Wong:@Chris, I thought Mike meant these slides? Chris Pelling:Hey Mary, yes, I can flick through them, but, cant download them Kathy:I don't understand the "technical limitation" ... could you rephrase please? Mary Wong:@Chris, apologies - I think I sent them around this a.m. and they're on the wiki page too; hang on for the link. Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the AC room Mary Wong:https://community.icann.org/x/wAzxAg Chris Pelling:Cheers Mary Don Blumenthal:The slides did go out this morning Don Blumenthal:Unaffiliated p/p services exist alrady. Graeme Bunton:Besides lawfirms? Don Blumenthal:Yes. I'll find and post later. Kathy:Helpful answers, Mike, tx you Kristina Rosette:Numerous unaffiliated providers already exist. vicky sheckler:unfortunately need to drop off Mary Wong:Thanks, Vicky Don Blumenthal:Susan K? Kathy:It's our fault (Whois Review Team) - and we talked about Best Practices too (for p/p) Kathy:Escrow can be done privately - with access to the keys by ICANN in the case of emergency/breach/failure Susan Kawaguchi:I agree with James Don Blumenthal:Thanks. I wanted ot make sure which Susan James meant. We have nore than one in the WG. steve metalitz:RAA 2013 already requires escrow of customer data on proxy registrations made by registrar or affiliates in connection with the registration. 3.4.1.5 and 3.6 . Kathy:@steve: true, but I wonder why Mike Z had questions about disclosure of u nderlying data in the advent of a p/p provider failure Kathy:? Libby Baney:@Steve +1 re need for articulated standard Kathy:to summarize: choices for p/p terms of service may include both publication and/or takedown (and the customer may have a say in that) Mary Wong:@Steve, @Kathy, from our review of the sampled providers who responded, very few distinguish specifically between publication and disclosure in terms of which ground will lead to which. steve metalitz:@Kathy: (1) Agree that service provider failure is a separate question (2) re alternative remedies for termination (other than publication), do any providers currently provide them? Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:If terminated, surely publication is unavoidable? Graeme Bunton:thanks James Mary Wong:@Lindsay, that seems to be the case, if one simply reviews the T&Cs we received. At least one provider makes that explicit ie tells the customer outright in its T&Cs that this is the case. Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Not sure why you feel a choice between publication/disclosure and takedown is messy. A registrant could be given the choice, right? That would mean the decision is not the service provider's. Have I misunderstood what you were saying? Kathy:@Steve and All, let's go back to old notes on this topic -- and summaries of agreement Kathy:I was just typing what James is saying: disclosure first then publication... Mary Wong:@Kathy, did you mean sub-question (d) (on screen now)? Mary Wong:Oops, I meant (c) not (d) Kathy:@Mary, yes! Amr Elsadr:@James: +1. Especially with making the distinction between the context of the situation (misdemeanor vs. fellony). steve metalitz:I think James was using "felony" and "misdemeanor" metaphorically and not literally. Michele Neylon:@Amr if you paid for services using a stolen credit card you don't have any rights Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks Mary. Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Thanks. Understood. Yes..., of course, which is why the context makes a difference. Kathy:Interesting call today! Bladel:SOrry, I have a hard stop at the top fo the hour. THanks everyone. Kathy:Many good issues touched on Kathy:Tx Don and all! Mary Wong:Please let us know if you have any other questions for Amy and Mike. Graeme Bunton:thanks all Luc Seufer:merci Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye. _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8120 - Release Date: 08/29/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date.

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With updated attendance: MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 09 September 2014 at 1400 UTC
by Nathalie Peregrine Sept. 9, 2014

Sept. 9, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 9 September 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140909-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Griffin Barnett – IPC Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG Frank Michlick – Individual Volker Greimann-RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG David Heasley-IPC Jim Bikoff-IPC Chris Pelling – RrSG Tobias Sattler – RrSG Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Justin Macy - BC Susan Kawaguchi – BC Kristina Rosette – IPC Darcy Southwell – RrSG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Paul McGrady – IPC Libby Baney – BC Phil Marano – IPC Holly Raiche – ALAC Sarah Wyld – RrSG Christian Dawson – ISPCP Victoria Scheckler - IPC Michele Neylon – RrSG Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG James Bladel – RrSG Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Val Sherman – IPC David Heasley – IPC Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Luc Seufer – RrSG Keith Kupferschmid – IPC David Hughes - IPC Apologies : none ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Mike Zupke Amy Bivins Daniela Andela Maryam Bakoshi Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 09 September 2014: Maryam Bakoshi:Dear All, welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting on Tuesday, 9th September 2014 Tobias Sattler:Hi there Chris Pelling:ello Tobias :) Chris Pelling:Hey James and Mike :) Graeme Bunton:Someone is a little huffy puffy on the line Bladel:SOunds like the ocean. :) Mary Wong:Sorry, it may be us in the DC office .... we're in a conference room with blasting AC Val Sherman:Hello All! David Heasley also on the call Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the call, and David has been notedf for attendancem, thanks Val Nathalie Peregrine:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has joined the AC room Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady is also on the call Nathalie Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge Nathalie Peregrine:Kristina Rosette has joined the call Bladel:Are we taking a queue on this? Mary Wong:@James, yes Graeme Bunton:Can do Don Blumenthal:I was about to jump in Bladel:Ok, I'll raise my hand. Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa is also on the call Chris Pelling:can this doc that ICANN has provided for discussion be sent out to us ? Chris Pelling:might be a useful read over a few times Mary Wong:@Chris, I thought Mike meant these slides? Chris Pelling:Hey Mary, yes, I can flick through them, but, cant download them Kathy:I don't understand the "technical limitation" ... could you rephrase please? Mary Wong:@Chris, apologies - I think I sent them around this a.m. and they're on the wiki page too; hang on for the link. Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the AC room Mary Wong:https://community.icann.org/x/wAzxAg Chris Pelling:Cheers Mary Don Blumenthal:The slides did go out this morning Don Blumenthal:Unaffiliated p/p services exist alrady. Graeme Bunton:Besides lawfirms? Don Blumenthal:Yes. I'll find and post later. Kathy:Helpful answers, Mike, tx you Kristina Rosette:Numerous unaffiliated providers already exist. vicky sheckler:unfortunately need to drop off Mary Wong:Thanks, Vicky Don Blumenthal:Susan K? Kathy:It's our fault (Whois Review Team) - and we talked about Best Practices too (for p/p) Kathy:Escrow can be done privately - with access to the keys by ICANN in the case of emergency/breach/failure Susan Kawaguchi:I agree with James Don Blumenthal:Thanks. I wanted ot make sure which Susan James meant. We have nore than one in the WG. steve metalitz:RAA 2013 already requires escrow of customer data on proxy registrations made by registrar or affiliates in connection with the registration. 3.4.1.5 and 3.6 . Kathy:@steve: true, but I wonder why Mike Z had questions about disclosure of u nderlying data in the advent of a p/p provider failure Kathy:? Libby Baney:@Steve +1 re need for articulated standard Kathy:to summarize: choices for p/p terms of service may include both publication and/or takedown (and the customer may have a say in that) Mary Wong:@Steve, @Kathy, from our review of the sampled providers who responded, very few distinguish specifically between publication and disclosure in terms of which ground will lead to which. steve metalitz:@Kathy: (1) Agree that service provider failure is a separate question (2) re alternative remedies for termination (other than publication), do any providers currently provide them? Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:If terminated, surely publication is unavoidable? Graeme Bunton:thanks James Mary Wong:@Lindsay, that seems to be the case, if one simply reviews the T&Cs we received. At least one provider makes that explicit ie tells the customer outright in its T&Cs that this is the case. Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Not sure why you feel a choice between publication/disclosure and takedown is messy. A registrant could be given the choice, right? That would mean the decision is not the service provider's. Have I misunderstood what you were saying? Kathy:@Steve and All, let's go back to old notes on this topic -- and summaries of agreement Kathy:I was just typing what James is saying: disclosure first then publication... Mary Wong:@Kathy, did you mean sub-question (d) (on screen now)? Mary Wong:Oops, I meant (c) not (d) Kathy:@Mary, yes! Amr Elsadr:@James: +1. Especially with making the distinction between the context of the situation (misdemeanor vs. fellony). steve metalitz:I think James was using "felony" and "misdemeanor" metaphorically and not literally. Michele Neylon:@Amr if you paid for services using a stolen credit card you don't have any rights Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks Mary. Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Thanks. Understood. Yes..., of course, which is why the context makes a difference. Kathy:Interesting call today! Bladel:SOrry, I have a hard stop at the top fo the hour. THanks everyone. Kathy:Many good issues touched on Kathy:Tx Don and all! Mary Wong:Please let us know if you have any other questions for Amy and Mike. Graeme Bunton:thanks all Luc Seufer:merci Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.

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MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 09 September 2014 at 1400 UTC
by Nathalie Peregrine Sept. 9, 2014

Sept. 9, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 9 September 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140909-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Griffin Barnett – IPC Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG Frank Michlick – Individual Volker Greimann-RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG David Heasley-IPC Jim Bikoff-IPC Chris Pelling – RrSG Tobias Sattler – RrSG Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Justin Macy - BC Susan Kawaguchi – BC Kristina Rosette – IPC Darcy Southwell – RrSG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Paul McGrady – IPC Libby Baney – BC Phil Marano – IPC Holly Raiche – ALAC Sarah Wyld – RrSG Christian Dawson – ISPCP Victoria Scheckler - IPC Michele Neylon – RrSG Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG James Bladel – RrSG Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Val Sherman – IPC David Heasley – IPC Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Luc Seufer – RrSG Keith Kupferschmid – IPC David Hughes - IPC Alex Deacon – IPC Susan Prosser – RrSG Stephanie Perrin – NCSG Carlton Samuels – At-Large Sean McInerney – no SOI Todd Williams – IPC Phil Corwin – BC Apologies : ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Mike Zupke Amy Bivins Daniela Andela Maryam Bakoshi Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 09 September 2014: Maryam Bakoshi:Dear All, welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting on Tuesday, 9th September 2014 Tobias Sattler:Hi there Chris Pelling:ello Tobias :) Chris Pelling:Hey James and Mike :) Graeme Bunton:Someone is a little huffy puffy on the line Bladel:SOunds like the ocean. :) Mary Wong:Sorry, it may be us in the DC office .... we're in a conference room with blasting AC Val Sherman:Hello All! David Heasley also on the call Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the call, and David has been notedf for attendancem, thanks Val Nathalie Peregrine:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has joined the AC room Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady is also on the call Nathalie Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge Nathalie Peregrine:Kristina Rosette has joined the call Bladel:Are we taking a queue on this? Mary Wong:@James, yes Graeme Bunton:Can do Don Blumenthal:I was about to jump in Bladel:Ok, I'll raise my hand. Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa is also on the call Chris Pelling:can this doc that ICANN has provided for discussion be sent out to us ? Chris Pelling:might be a useful read over a few times Mary Wong:@Chris, I thought Mike meant these slides? Chris Pelling:Hey Mary, yes, I can flick through them, but, cant download them Kathy:I don't understand the "technical limitation" ... could you rephrase please? Mary Wong:@Chris, apologies - I think I sent them around this a.m. and they're on the wiki page too; hang on for the link. Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the AC room Mary Wong:https://community.icann.org/x/wAzxAg Chris Pelling:Cheers Mary Don Blumenthal:The slides did go out this morning Don Blumenthal:Unaffiliated p/p services exist alrady. Graeme Bunton:Besides lawfirms? Don Blumenthal:Yes. I'll find and post later. Kathy:Helpful answers, Mike, tx you Kristina Rosette:Numerous unaffiliated providers already exist. vicky sheckler:unfortunately need to drop off Mary Wong:Thanks, Vicky Don Blumenthal:Susan K? Kathy:It's our fault (Whois Review Team) - and we talked about Best Practices too (for p/p) Kathy:Escrow can be done privately - with access to the keys by ICANN in the case of emergency/breach/failure Susan Kawaguchi:I agree with James Don Blumenthal:Thanks. I wanted ot make sure which Susan James meant. We have nore than one in the WG. steve metalitz:RAA 2013 already requires escrow of customer data on proxy registrations made by registrar or affiliates in connection with the registration. 3.4.1.5 and 3.6 . Kathy:@steve: true, but I wonder why Mike Z had questions about disclosure of u nderlying data in the advent of a p/p provider failure Kathy:? Libby Baney:@Steve +1 re need for articulated standard Kathy:to summarize: choices for p/p terms of service may include both publication and/or takedown (and the customer may have a say in that) Mary Wong:@Steve, @Kathy, from our review of the sampled providers who responded, very few distinguish specifically between publication and disclosure in terms of which ground will lead to which. steve metalitz:@Kathy: (1) Agree that service provider failure is a separate question (2) re alternative remedies for termination (other than publication), do any providers currently provide them? Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:If terminated, surely publication is unavoidable? Graeme Bunton:thanks James Mary Wong:@Lindsay, that seems to be the case, if one simply reviews the T&Cs we received. At least one provider makes that explicit ie tells the customer outright in its T&Cs that this is the case. Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Not sure why you feel a choice between publication/disclosure and takedown is messy. A registrant could be given the choice, right? That would mean the decision is not the service provider's. Have I misunderstood what you were saying? Kathy:@Steve and All, let's go back to old notes on this topic -- and summaries of agreement Kathy:I was just typing what James is saying: disclosure first then publication... Mary Wong:@Kathy, did you mean sub-question (d) (on screen now)? Mary Wong:Oops, I meant (c) not (d) Kathy:@Mary, yes! Amr Elsadr:@James: +1. Especially with making the distinction between the context of the situation (misdemeanor vs. fellony). steve metalitz:I think James was using "felony" and "misdemeanor" metaphorically and not literally. Michele Neylon:@Amr if you paid for services using a stolen credit card you don't have any rights Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks Mary. Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Thanks. Understood. Yes..., of course, which is why the context makes a difference. Kathy:Interesting call today! Bladel:SOrry, I have a hard stop at the top fo the hour. THanks everyone. Kathy:Many good issues touched on Kathy:Tx Don and all! Mary Wong:Please let us know if you have any other questions for Amy and Mike. Graeme Bunton:thanks all Luc Seufer:merci Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.

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Agenda for meeting on 9 September
by Mary Wong Sept. 9, 2014

Sept. 9, 2014

Dear WG members, Here is the proposed agenda for our meeting on Tuesday 9 September: 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Initial Thoughts on a P/P Service Provider Accreditation Framework (presentation by Amy Bivins and Mike Zupke of ICANN¹s Registrar Services Team, followed by Q&A) 3. Continue deliberations on Category F (see attached document and further notes below) 4. Next steps Note: The attached document summarizes common practices across two or more existing P/P service providers, gleaned from their responses to the sampling/survey on their Terms & Conditions of Service (and as reproduced on the Category F templates). The summary is therefore based on actual responses received, including from several well-known providers; however, it is not intended to be fully representative of practices across the board. Nonetheless, it has been prepared in the hope that it will be of assistance to the WG as we work through the Category F questions. We will send the slides that Amy and Mike will be using for their presentation when we receive them. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org

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Notice regarding WG meeting on 9 September
by Mary Wong Sept. 5, 2014

Sept. 5, 2014

Dear WG members, Please note that for our next meeting on Tuesday 9 September, we will be joined by ICANN staff from the Registrar Services Team, who will make a presentation and take questions on a proposed P/P Provider Accreditation Framework. You will recall that several months ago Mike Zupke (Director of Registrar Services) and Amy Bivins (Registrar Policy Services Manager) had given us a presentation on the Registrar Accreditation Framework for the RAA; our understanding is that Mike and Amy¹s presentation this coming Tuesday will be based on the RAA Framework. As our WG has made substantial progress since that initial presentation, and as the WG's preliminary conclusions to date have been shared with Mike and Amy for their feedback (if any) on possible implementation issues, we hope that their Tuesday session will be informative and helpful to the WG as it proceeds toward finalizing its initial recommendations over the next few weeks and months. A fuller agenda will be circulated on Monday but for now we wanted to let you know about the plan for this coming Tuesday. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org

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MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 02 September 2014 at 1400 UTC
by Nathalie Peregrine Sept. 2, 2014

Sept. 2, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 2 September 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140902-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Griffin Barnett – IPC Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG Frank Michlick – Individual Volker Greimann-RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG David Heasley-IPC Jim Bikoff-IPC Alex Deacon – IPC Chris Pelling – RrSG Tobias Sattler – RrSG Todd Williams – IPC Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Phil Corwin – BC Justin Macy - BC Susan Kawaguchi – BC Kristina Rosette – IPC Darcy Southwell – RrSG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Paul McGrady – IPC Libby Baney – BC Phil Marano – IPC Holly Raiche – ALAC Sarah Wyld – RrSG Christian Dawson – ISPCP Susan Prosser – RrSG Victoria Scheckler - IPC Apologies : Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG Stephanie Perrin – NCSG Michele Neylon – RrSG Carlton Samuels – At-Large Sean McInerney – no SOI ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Amy Bivins Maryam Bakoshi Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 02 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the PPSAI WG call on the 2nd September 2014 at 14:00 UTC Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Holly, dialing out to you now Holly Raiche:Thanks Tobias Sattler:Hi there Chris Pelling:good afternoon all Graeme Bunton:G'morning all Kristina Rosette:Greetings. Apologies for being late. Amr Elsadr:Hi. Dialling in now. Nathalie Peregrine:Amr, attendance noted Amr Elsadr:Thnx. :) Nathalie Peregrine:Susan Kawaguchi has just joined Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano and Vicky Scheckler are on the call Nathalie Peregrine:Jim Bikoff is also on the call Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady is in the Ac room Graeme Bunton:Nope! Nathalie Peregrine:Griffin Barnett is also on the call Nathalie Peregrine:Libby Baney has joined the room Graeme Bunton:someone's mic needs to get muted Mary Wong:Please mute your mics unless you're speaking - thanks! Graeme Bunton:vigourous typing Frank Michlick:who is typing next to their mic? Chris Pelling:still typing :p Nathalie Peregrine:Kathy Kleiman is on the phone bridge Nathalie Peregrine:Operaor is tyring to isolate typionng noise Nathalie Peregrine:please all mute mics Nathalie Peregrine:and phones when not speaking Chris Pelling:this quality of call today is pretty poor Chris Pelling:lots of clicking Amr Elsadr:I'm sorry. I haven't gone through this document yet. Trying to read it now. Nathalie Peregrine:@Chris, I'm on the phone bridge, but do not hear clicking Nathalie Peregrine:would you like us to dial out to you to improve your line? Amr Elsadr:I can hear the clicking too. Nathalie Peregrine:ok let me see what the operator can do, as I cannot hear it. Volker Greimann:the clicking is clearly audible on the Adobe audio bridge Volker Greimann:now it is gone Chris Pelling:Nathalie, no - but I was not the only one hearing it and it was annoying - right now its gone, thanks Mary Wong:Following up on Kathy's question - the NCSG's suggsetion regarding considerations of anti-competitive activity and small business challenges is listed under the question relating to Safeguards (in this new document, Section II Question 3.) Graeme Bunton:Often both, Steve Libby Baney:I've heard use of the phrase "legitimate" request, and evaluate "on its merits." It is unclear to me what those terms mean. Where are they defined? Is it the charge of this group to establish the standard? Volker Greimann:Difficult. Currently, our review gives us the necessary leeway to make a case-by-case decision. Amr Elsadr:Is it practicle to try to standardize what is a "legitimate" request? Couldn't that vary according to the jurisdiction the P/P provider exists in? Chris Pelling:All notices into us are case bny case, you cannot mask it down to a set of rules as things will fall through the cracks vicky sheckler:in considering legitimate request, need to consider jdx of complainant as well Chris Pelling:phone crackling is back Holly Raiche:@ Chris - I thing that was my question - how hard will it be to understand base line istuations of disclosure Nathalie Peregrine:Operator is working to isolate the line Nathalie Peregrine:please all mute phones and AC room mics when not talking Amr Elsadr:Does minimum standard = standard? I don't think so. A minimum standard would be required, but may not actually warrant a reveal. A strict standard would, wouldn't it? Chris Pelling:very good point Kathy Volker Greimann:we are back to the cracking noice on the adobe bridge Paul McGrady:Sounds is going in and out. Nathalie Peregrine:we're orking on it Nathalie Peregrine:Working Graeme Bunton:I'd have to ask compliance for a concrete answer Volker Greimann:Addition: Anonymous complaints go directly to the bin. No response, no recourse! Chris Pelling:gone all quiet Nathalie Peregrine:There is no issue with the Ac audio, someone on the phone line was creating static, that person has now been muted and informed. Chris Pelling:ill take my hand down Chris Pelling:UDRP is there and the UDRP service will request a reveal Chris Pelling:its to do with the "domain" not the content though Chris Pelling:We siggest to the registrant that they seek professional advice Chris Pelling:@Kathy Chris Pelling:suggest * Chris Pelling:thank you all :) Holly Raiche:thanks steve Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Very interesting discussion.

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Updated Category F document & agenda for 2 September WG meeting
by Mary Wong Sept. 1, 2014

Sept. 1, 2014

Dear WG members, Please find attached a document that the Chairs hope will facilitate the group¹s discussions of the various Charter questions under Category F (³Reveal²). The document divides the Charter questions in this Category F into sections corresponding to the WG¹s previously-agreed definitions for ³Publication² and ³Disclosure², viz.: > I. General > II. Disclosures to Third Parties other than Law Enforcement Authorities > III. Disclosures to LEA > IV. Publication in WHOIS > V. Termination of P/P Provider Contract/Accreditation For each Section I-V, we have also included the following: the origin of the Charter question, and the WG¹s previously-agreed sub-questions (from the Grouping of Charter Questions Document as of February 2014). We hope that the attached will be of assistance as the WG begins to finalize its preliminary conclusions for this Category. As such, we anticipate that the agenda for the 2 September WG meeting will be: 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on Category F (using the attached document as reference) 3. Next steps Thanks and cheers, Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org

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