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Sunrise Sub Team Google Doc
by Mary Wong June 2, 2017

June 2, 2017

Dear all, Following from Lori’s request on the Sub Team call today for members to review and add suggestions to the Google Doc last used by the Sub Team (i.e. as of 19 May 2017), here for your convenience is the link to the document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9…. Staff has gone ahead, as requested, and amended the heading in Column 3 to now read “Proposed Footnotes or Alternative Wording”. The default editing format should also now be in Suggestion mode. Thanks and cheers Mary From: <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Terri Agnew <terri.agnew(a)icann.org> Date: Friday, June 2, 2017 at 13:59 To: "gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org" <gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org> Cc: "gnso-secs(a)icann.org" <gnso-secs(a)icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations on Friday, 02 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/hjHwAw MP3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-02jun17-en.mp3 Adobe Connect recording: https://participate.icann.org/p5uwrklj7io/<https://participate.icann.org/p5uwrklj7io/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=1d0b66cd3929354d…> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-sunrise/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/msrRAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Adobe Connect chat transcript for 02 June 2017: Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations call on Friday, 2 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC for 60-minute duration. Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_… Susan Payne:I'm here Kathy::-( sorry to hear Kathy:definitely remember people being sick in Hyderabad! Lori Schulman:I thought I would die in Hyderbad Lori Schulman:with no money ;O Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):Hello , both 4g and cell network have weak signals , so I will drop from time to time Susan Payne:yay Kathy:Congrats!! Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Congrats to INTA, Lori Mary Wong:19 May Philip Corwin:Hello all, apologies for being a few minutes late. Susan Payne:I think the trouble was that any INTA attendees were also travelling on 19th Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):and in my case it is a blizzard in the second day of summer and a hurricane warning :) Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):could we have a poll (to measure the temperature of the subgroup ) with yes, no , other and text field . ? Mary Wong:Staff would like to register our surprise that we have been perceived to have put pressure on anyone or given orders to anyone. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):if the input of the teteam is not taken into account , then what is the reason to call it a result of the teamwork ? Mary Wong:27 April Jeff Neuman:what is the most up to date link? Amr Elsadr:@Jeff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume… Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):please post the in URL question sheet into the chat Mary Wong:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nm91bUcbX-PhA1imkKdOujWWRXsbyORq5a… Jeff Neuman:Why are there 2 different docs? Jeff Neuman:I am confused Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):the URLS are differ one from other Jeff Neuman:And they both have different content Mary Wong:Oops, hang on, sorry - Amr's link is the correct one to the latest. The other is an earlier document.. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):please add ffield Verson number and date Philip Corwin:Later doc has 14 questions, apparently consolidated from 22 earlier Jeff Neuman:ok....and that differs from the one that was in the agenda for this week as well Amr Elsadr:Apologies for the confusion. The link I posted is the latest of three drafts. Links to all previous work is provided in an email I sent titled "Summary of Progress on the Sunrise Registration Sub Team" on May 24. Lori Schulman:The latest is Kathy's new doc, is that correct? Amr Elsadr:Kathy's doc (edited by Kristine) is the one posted for discussion on today's meeting wiki page here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_… . This hasn't been discussed by the Sub Team yet. Lori Schulman:I would like Kathy's document kept separate from the original chart Jeff Neuman:In the new chart, can we add a column again to the original charter question? Susan Payne:so by current doc then the 19 May doc Amr Elsadr:The most recent document that had been subject to Sub Team edits and discussion prior to the Kathy/Kristine document is the one posted here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume… Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I added same notes to different versions and they are still disappearing ... weird Mary Wong:Note that what we discussed on the 19 May call is essentially the 12 May document - I don't believe any substantive changes were made to the proposed questions, there were only some additional comments made by a few Sub Team members. Amr Elsadr:@Maxim: Your comments were moved to the last column in the table, to be able to present them in the document in the AC room. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I do not agree that we present undone work for sake of timeline. Amr Elsadr:@Maxim: Could you please check the "Sub Team Suggestions on Data Collection" column in this table: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume… . Your comments are tagged with your name. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I unfortunately in the middle of nowhnowhere with 2 cell phones , can not do it now Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I bring apologies. need to drop the all due to my train is coming. Amr Elsadr:Please do follow up with me and Mary if you find any of your comments have been dropped. Roger Carney:Can you repeat? Jeff Neuman:I am unclear on what we are voting on Philip Corwin:Noting above that Mary has stated that the May 12 & 19 docs are substantively identical Jeff Neuman:so, this one? https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume… Terri Agnew:Maxim has dropped and unable to rejoin at this time Amr Elsadr:@Jeff: Correct. Mary Wong:@Jeff, yes Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Kathy, were were told that column 3 wsa going forward on the call? In an email? Because I missed it... Mary Wong:At no time did staff declare that Column 3 of the latest Google Doc was the final version and would be sent to the WG. Our understanding was that further work (e.g. footnotes, re-ordering, some tweaking) might be done following more Sub Team discussion. Susan Payne:there is work underway currently on staff accountability. If staff have been accused of overstepping the bounds it is your duty to identify who you are accusing and give us the details Kathy:What is the current document? Kathy:Wha tis the master set of questions. Kathy:Column 1 or Column 3 Jeff Neuman:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlx… Jeff Neuman:SOme of the reworded questions seems to have a bias in them. For example, in number two, using the word "scheme" implies a negative connotation. It may be that some find the premium name issue to be negative, but that term is not objective Mary Wong:@Phi, that is correct - e.g. where there are identified gaps that should be filled. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:@ Jeff, I think the point is that those proposed final questions were just that "proposed"...we can still tweak them. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1 Susan Amr Elsadr:Would it be helpful to retitle the 3rd column to "Proposed footnotes to Charter Questions"? Kiran Malancharuvil:+1 Lori... I would prefer to see everything in one document with notes and explanations Susan Payne:NO we are not knocking out Phil Marano:Can we please keep what we had before the INTA Annual Meeting, and characterize any subsequent changes made as proposals for sub-team consideration, all in one document? Kiran Malancharuvil:+1 Phil. Mary Wong:@Phil M, I think that's what Lori is proposing - with the Google Doc. Kathy:How? Roger Carney:+1 Phil Kiran Malancharuvil:"How?" - Lori just explained how. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:What I like about the doc Kathy created is the cross-referencing. I support referencing the "general" questions. In the main "sunrise-related question" where appropriate. I don't think we need to pull them up because they're there, but I think we should cross-reference to ensure inclusin. Kathy:+1 Jeff Mary Wong:@Jeff, note that the rewording, by and large, was because several Charter questions were batched together. Kathy:New column? Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: In the Comments/Discussion column? Would that work? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:But Jeff, one of the outcomes was a workplan...batching relates to the recommended order for discussion Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:not *necessarily* rewording Jeff Neuman:You can batch questions without combining them. Susan Payne:but we werent dropping the charter q original language we were providing notes/guidance/additional thoughts Jeff Neuman:So, in other words, you can provide guidance that says that Questions 1, 3, 5, 7, and 9 are all related so we would recommend that they be answered first. But that does not mean we need to combine 1, 3, 5, and 7 into a reworded question Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:For staff: Can we possibly make sure that the Google doc is in Suggestion mode? That way it pulls out all author suggestions as a comment rather than running all edits together. Jeff Neuman:@Kristine - I agree Philip Corwin:Yes, they are a compilation of multiple community inputs, not a directive from Council Susan Payne:@Jeff precisely, that was my understanding of what we are doing here Mary Wong:Note that there has been an outstanding Action Item for the Sub Team for the past few weeks - to develop proposed definitions for "premium names", "premium pricing" and "reserved names". Kiran Malancharuvil:+1 Lori Susan Payne:+ 1 Lori Kiran Malancharuvil:Free expression and speech IS a trademark issue and a registry issue Kiran Malancharuvil:To suggest that trademark owners and consumer advocates aren't considering free expression is a mischaracterization at best. Susan Payne:thank you Lori Kathy:Interesting Geo questions too... Jeff Neuman:thanks. Lets see if we can make progress online in between meetings Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks Lori.

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Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations
by Terri Agnew June 2, 2017

June 2, 2017

Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations on Friday, 02 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/hjHwAw> https://community.icann.org/x/hjHwAw MP3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-02jun17-en.mp3 Adobe Connect recording: <https://participate.icann.org/p5uwrklj7io/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=1d0b66cd3929354d 21560731d101913a0a7092f23edd328723cd77441b3653ca> https://participate.icann.org/p5uwrklj7io/ The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-sunrise/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-sunrise/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/msrRAw> https://community.icann.org/x/msrRAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Adobe Connect chat transcript for 02 June 2017: Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations call on Friday, 2 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC for 60-minute duration. Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_h jHwAw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ hjHwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpC IgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg- g&s=xtlECPMGwYE7JE6VVl1xPvOLSDAV_6TnOYWAMdwpEgg&e> &d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=xt lECPMGwYE7JE6VVl1xPvOLSDAV_6TnOYWAMdwpEgg&e= Susan Payne:I'm here Kathy::-( sorry to hear Kathy:definitely remember people being sick in Hyderabad! Lori Schulman:I thought I would die in Hyderbad Lori Schulman:with no money ;O Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):Hello , both 4g and cell network have weak signals , so I will drop from time to time Susan Payne:yay Kathy:Congrats!! Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Congrats to INTA, Lori Mary Wong:19 May Philip Corwin:Hello all, apologies for being a few minutes late. Susan Payne:I think the trouble was that any INTA attendees were also travelling on 19th Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):and in my case it is a blizzard in the second day of summer and a hurricane warning :) Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):could we have a poll (to measure the temperature of the subgroup ) with yes, no , other and text field . ? Mary Wong:Staff would like to register our surprise that we have been perceived to have put pressure on anyone or given orders to anyone. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):if the input of the teteam is not taken into account , then what is the reason to call it a result of the teamwork ? Mary Wong:27 April Jeff Neuman:what is the most up to date link? Amr Elsadr:@Jeff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_documen t_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume nt_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6 wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2 EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vGKhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6 YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e> &d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vG KhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e= Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):please post the in URL question sheet into the chat Mary Wong:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nm91bUcbX-PhA1imkKdOujWWRXsbyORq5a7 8Aqc-ciM/edit?usp=sharing Jeff Neuman:Why are there 2 different docs? Jeff Neuman:I am confused Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):the URLS are differ one from other Jeff Neuman:And they both have different content Mary Wong:Oops, hang on, sorry - Amr's link is the correct one to the latest. The other is an earlier document.. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):please add ffield Verson number and date Philip Corwin:Later doc has 14 questions, apparently consolidated from 22 earlier Jeff Neuman:ok....and that differs from the one that was in the agenda for this week as well Amr Elsadr:Apologies for the confusion. The link I posted is the latest of three drafts. Links to all previous work is provided in an email I sent titled "Summary of Progress on the Sunrise Registration Sub Team" on May 24. Lori Schulman:The latest is Kathy's new doc, is that correct? Amr Elsadr:Kathy's doc (edited by Kristine) is the one posted for discussion on today's meeting wiki page here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_h jHwAw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ hjHwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpC IgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg- g&s=xtlECPMGwYE7JE6VVl1xPvOLSDAV_6TnOYWAMdwpEgg&e> &d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=xt lECPMGwYE7JE6VVl1xPvOLSDAV_6TnOYWAMdwpEgg&e= . This hasn't been discussed by the Sub Team yet. Lori Schulman:I would like Kathy's document kept separate from the original chart Jeff Neuman:In the new chart, can we add a column again to the original charter question? Susan Payne:so by current doc then the 19 May doc Amr Elsadr:The most recent document that had been subject to Sub Team edits and discussion prior to the Kathy/Kristine document is the one posted here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_documen t_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume nt_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6 wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2 EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vGKhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6 YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e> &d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vG KhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e= Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I added same notes to different versions and they are still disappearing ... weird Mary Wong:Note that what we discussed on the 19 May call is essentially the 12 May document - I don't believe any substantive changes were made to the proposed questions, there were only some additional comments made by a few Sub Team members. Amr Elsadr:@Maxim: Your comments were moved to the last column in the table, to be able to present them in the document in the AC room. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I do not agree that we present undone work for sake of timeline. Amr Elsadr:@Maxim: Could you please check the "Sub Team Suggestions on Data Collection" column in this table: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_documen t_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume nt_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6 wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2 EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vGKhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6 YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e> &d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vG KhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e= . Your comments are tagged with your name. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I unfortunately in the middle of nowhnowhere with 2 cell phones , can not do it now Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I bring apologies. need to drop the all due to my train is coming. Amr Elsadr:Please do follow up with me and Mary if you find any of your comments have been dropped. Roger Carney:Can you repeat? Jeff Neuman:I am unclear on what we are voting on Philip Corwin:Noting above that Mary has stated that the May 12 & 19 docs are substantively identical Jeff Neuman:so, this one? https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_documen t_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume nt_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6 wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2 EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vGKhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6 YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e> &d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vG KhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e= Terri Agnew:Maxim has dropped and unable to rejoin at this time Amr Elsadr:@Jeff: Correct. Mary Wong:@Jeff, yes Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Kathy, were were told that column 3 wsa going forward on the call? In an email? Because I missed it... Mary Wong:At no time did staff declare that Column 3 of the latest Google Doc was the final version and would be sent to the WG. Our understanding was that further work (e.g. footnotes, re-ordering, some tweaking) might be done following more Sub Team discussion. Susan Payne:there is work underway currently on staff accountability. If staff have been accused of overstepping the bounds it is your duty to identify who you are accusing and give us the details Kathy:What is the current document? Kathy:Wha tis the master set of questions. Kathy:Column 1 or Column 3 Jeff Neuman:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxv E6Joa9dBE4/edit Jeff Neuman:SOme of the reworded questions seems to have a bias in them. For example, in number two, using the word "scheme" implies a negative connotation. It may be that some find the premium name issue to be negative, but that term is not objective Mary Wong:@Phi, that is correct - e.g. where there are identified gaps that should be filled. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:@ Jeff, I think the point is that those proposed final questions were just that "proposed"...we can still tweak them. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1 Susan Amr Elsadr:Would it be helpful to retitle the 3rd column to "Proposed footnotes to Charter Questions"? Kiran Malancharuvil:+1 Lori... I would prefer to see everything in one document with notes and explanations Susan Payne:NO we are not knocking out Phil Marano:Can we please keep what we had before the INTA Annual Meeting, and characterize any subsequent changes made as proposals for sub-team consideration, all in one document? Kiran Malancharuvil:+1 Phil. Mary Wong:@Phil M, I think that's what Lori is proposing - with the Google Doc. Kathy:How? Roger Carney:+1 Phil Kiran Malancharuvil:"How?" - Lori just explained how. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:What I like about the doc Kathy created is the cross-referencing. I support referencing the "general" questions. In the main "sunrise-related question" where appropriate. I don't think we need to pull them up because they're there, but I think we should cross-reference to ensure inclusin. Kathy:+1 Jeff Mary Wong:@Jeff, note that the rewording, by and large, was because several Charter questions were batched together. Kathy:New column? Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: In the Comments/Discussion column? Would that work? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:But Jeff, one of the outcomes was a workplan...batching relates to the recommended order for discussion Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:not *necessarily* rewording Jeff Neuman:You can batch questions without combining them. Susan Payne:but we werent dropping the charter q original language we were providing notes/guidance/additional thoughts Jeff Neuman:So, in other words, you can provide guidance that says that Questions 1, 3, 5, 7, and 9 are all related so we would recommend that they be answered first. But that does not mean we need to combine 1, 3, 5, and 7 into a reworded question Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:For staff: Can we possibly make sure that the Google doc is in Suggestion mode? That way it pulls out all author suggestions as a comment rather than running all edits together. Jeff Neuman:@Kristine - I agree Philip Corwin:Yes, they are a compilation of multiple community inputs, not a directive from Council Susan Payne:@Jeff precisely, that was my understanding of what we are doing here Mary Wong:Note that there has been an outstanding Action Item for the Sub Team for the past few weeks - to develop proposed definitions for "premium names", "premium pricing" and "reserved names". Kiran Malancharuvil:+1 Lori Susan Payne:+ 1 Lori Kiran Malancharuvil:Free expression and speech IS a trademark issue and a registry issue Kiran Malancharuvil:To suggest that trademark owners and consumer advocates aren't considering free expression is a mischaracterization at best. Susan Payne:thank you Lori Kathy:Interesting Geo questions too... Jeff Neuman:thanks. Lets see if we can make progress online in between meetings Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks Lori.

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Proposed agenda for Sunrise Sub Team call on 2 June 2017
by Mary Wong June 1, 2017

June 1, 2017

Dear all, Based on the email from Lori (below) and following consultation with her, here is the proposed agenda for the next Sunrise Sub Team call on Friday 2 June: 1. Kathy and Kristine to report on the scope and outcome of their Friday discussion 2. Kathy to highlight changes made to the batching, order and text of the questions listed in the last version of the Sub Team Google Doc and any further additions being proposed in the standalone document circulated on Monday 29 May 3. Sub Team to discuss and agree on approach and next steps in relation to the Charter questions 4. AOB and agreed Action Items for the next meeting To assist with the discussions, please find attached the standalone document circulated by Kathy on Monday, with Kristine’s edits from Tuesday. The Google Doc reflecting the original Charter questions as well as the proposed refinements last discussed by the Sub Team on 19 May can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9… Thanks and cheers Mary From: Lori Schulman <lschulman(a)inta.org> Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 06:01 To: "Dorrain, Kristine" <dorraink(a)amazon.com>, Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org>, Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com>, "gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org" <gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org> Subject: [Ext] RE: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together. Dear Christine, Mary and Kathy, I understand that a lot of work has gone into this draft and I think that the group should be given the opportunity to consider it as an alternative path to the work that we have done to date. That said, I am opposed to incorporating into any current charts. I would like it to be considered as a stand alone proposal. I have concerns that this was done when most of us where attending the INTA annual meeting and unavailable for calls. I think it is appropriate to give the subgroup the opportunity to consider whether they want to proceed with the alternative or to continue on the path that we started. I would ask that Kristine and Kathy be prepared to explain the rationale behind the work and contrast it to what was previously done. I want to remind the sub group that we were formed with the understanding that this would be a short term project to clarify and put order to currently existing questions and to coordinate them with the overall work plan. We had discussed bunching questions, eliminating redundancies and identifying what additional information would be needed to properly address the questions. We also agreed not to change any wording to the original questions but note we where would suggest clarification. I am concerned that the current proposal may have exceeded that agreement. However, I don’t want to rush to judgement and feel that all of us need adequate time to consider it and take the temperature of the subgroup before we post it on the wiki or anywhere else. I don’t see an attachment on the string, if the proposal is ready for consideration, please post it. Lori Lori S. Schulman Senior Director, Internet Policy International Trademark Association (INTA) +1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman [id:image005.jpg@01D270D2.1801CD20] From: gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Dorrain, Kristine via Gnso-rpm-sunrise Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:15 PM To: Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org>; Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com>; gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together. Mary, Kathy and all, Thanks, Kathy for taking the first crack. I have a bunch of edits in the attached, but I tried to explain them all. In a few cases, I had to hunt through the RA to figure out what the original charter questions were referring to. The second page is more redlined because that's where the examples of "solutions" were. I wanted to call out for the WG that these are NOT subteam-generated examples, but are right in the Charter Questions themselves. I strongly oppose adding our own examples to the charter questions. I also strongly think all pricing questions should be bundled/bunched. Let me know what you think. Best, Kristine -----Original Message----- From: gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:41 AM To: Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com%3e>; gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together. Thanks very much for taking this on, Kathy and Kristine, and for the updated list of questions. NOTE/QUESTION for Kathy, Kristine and Lori – since this new list is a significantly re-ordered and reworded version of the last Google Doc set of questions, I am not sure how it can easily be fitted into the Google Doc. Will it make more sense for the Sub Team to use this document for the Friday call, and for staff to compile the results of that discussion into a new table that compares the final wording and ordering with the original Charter questions? Thanks and cheers Mary On 5/29/17, 20:59, "gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Kathy Kleiman" <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of kathy(a)kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com%3e> wrote: Hi All, In lieu of our meeting on Friday, Kristine and I sat down by phone and worked through the Sunrise questions from a number of different perspectives. We covered as many of our our almost 2 dozen Sunrise questions as possible. We tried to keep, in as neutral as way as possible, the charter questions given to us by Council and the rewritten questions that bind together overarching concepts. We found two arcs we would like to suggest for the Sunrise questions: Arc 1) Trademark Owners and Registrant Issues and Arc 2) Trademark Owners and Registry Operator Issues. Everything seems to fall fairly neatly into those two categories. We replaced language that some members of the subteam objected to as confusing or meaning something else. I took the pen from there, and Kristine is still reviewing. In the interest of time, let me circulate these questions to the full subteam. Thoughts on next steps appreciated. Should we add these to the Wiki? Best, Kathy _______________________________________________ Gnso-rpm-sunrise mailing list Gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org<mailto:Gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-sunrise

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Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together.
by Kathy Kleiman May 31, 2017

May 31, 2017

Hi All, In lieu of our meeting on Friday, Kristine and I sat down by phone and worked through the Sunrise questions from a number of different perspectives. We covered as many of our our almost 2 dozen Sunrise questions as possible. We tried to keep, in as neutral as way as possible, the charter questions given to us by Council and the rewritten questions that bind together overarching concepts. We found two arcs we would like to suggest for the Sunrise questions: Arc 1) Trademark Owners and Registrant Issues and Arc 2) Trademark Owners and Registry Operator Issues. Everything seems to fall fairly neatly into those two categories. We replaced language that some members of the subteam objected to as confusing or meaning something else. I took the pen from there, and Kristine is still reviewing. In the interest of time, let me circulate these questions to the full subteam. Thoughts on next steps appreciated. Should we add these to the Wiki? Best, Kathy

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Cancelling Today's Sunrise Registrations Sub Team Call - 26 May 2017
by Amr Elsadr May 26, 2017

May 26, 2017

Dear Sub Team Members, Having heard from a few of you on possibly cancelling today’s Sub Team call, and taking into consideration the already confirmed apologies, today’s Sunrise Registrations Sub Team call is cancelled. As has been noted, there are still open discussions on how the Sub Team will be delivering its output to the full Working Group. The Working Group Leadership Team had requested that both Sub Teams (Sunrise Registrations and Trademark Claims) complete the work on their respective Charter questions by 31 May. It seems fairly clear that more time will be required. However, between now and the next call, I encourage you all to continue the discussion that has already begun on the Sub Team mailing list. The next Sub Team call will be tentatively scheduled one week from today on Friday, 2 June at 14:00 UTC. Thanks. Amr

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Summary of Progress on the Sunrise Registration Sub Team
by Amr Elsadr May 26, 2017

May 26, 2017

Dear Sub Team Members, Following up on an action item from last week’s call, staff were asked to clarify the changes made across the different iterations of the Charter questions/google doc tables concerning batching and refinements made to the original Charter questions. The purpose of this is to provide a summary of the work done by the Sub Team to-date, which staff hopes will be helpful in providing clarity on how the Sub Team is where it now is in terms of progress. This summary will cover 6 weeks of Sub Team deliberation and agreement. The initial list of questions are posted on the Sub Team’s meeting wiki page from 14 April<https://community.icann.org/x/dM7RAw>, and can be downloaded directly here<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64081524/Sunrise%20Claims%…>. On the Sub Team call on 21 April, the Sub Team instructed staff to batch and reorder questions 2, 3, 8 and 15, as well as 4, 5 and 6, and finally questions 7 and 9. This was done, and the questions were renumbered as 2A, 2B, 2D and 2C, then 3A, 3B and 3C, and finally 4A and 4B, all in respective order. These changes were listed in the column on the far left of this google doc<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NMlQRUyoMD271Xxu3_GqwkSeTGs2huW_5DqzgX1…>. Also, please refer to the action items on the Sub Team’s meeting wiki page from 21 April<https://community.icann.org/x/pNPRAw>. Further to those action items being completed, Sub Team members began to submit a number of comments and propose refinements/rewording of the original questions. These are all available in the same table, including a proposal to consolidate some of the batched questions. These proposals were subsequently discussed on the Sub Team call on 28 April. Agreements on consolidation of questions, as well as reordering them to follow the logic of the Sunrise process resulted in an updated table being set up. This table can be viewed here<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nm91bUcbX-PhA1imkKdOujWWRXsbyORq5a78Aqc…>, and the Sub Team members were asked to review this table, and provide comments to be discussed during the Sub Team’s 5 May call. On 5 May, staff were tasked with drawing up a third table taking into consideration the comments submitted and discussed by the Sub Team. The table was also to include the original Charter questions, and match them against the updated/refined versions in order to have the ability to demonstrate the changes made in a single table, keeping reporting the output of the Sub Team to the full Working Group in mind. Staff were also tasked with adding additional columns; one explaining the decisions made by the Sub Team resulting in the updates/refinements made, as well as a column in which available data and data required could be placed. The Sub Team also agreed to use color-codes to more clearly indicate which original Charter questions were batched and refined into which consolidated and refined/updated questions. This has resulted in the most recent version of the table/google doc<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9…>. This is the working version of the table that the Sub Team is currently considering, and there are a number of agreed upon action items for Sub Team members to go through listed on the 19 May Sub Team meeting wiki page<https://community.icann.org/x/DxHfAw> (last week’s Sub Team call). Please refer to these Sub Team action items at your earliest convenience. We hope this summary is helpful. Please also note that all action items, notes, meeting materials and documents, recordings and transcripts from Sub Team calls are posted regularly on dedicated pages for each call<https://community.icann.org/x/oMrRAw>. It is our (staff’s) hope that these wiki pages provide a reference for the ongoing progress of the Sub Team, which is helpful to both the Sub Team and the broader Working Group. Thanks. Amr

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Action Items from Sunrise Registration Sub Team Call - 19 May 2017
by Amr Elsadr May 24, 2017

May 24, 2017

Dear Sub Team Members, Apologies for the late delivery on this, but please find below the action items from Friday’s call. The action items, notes, document, recordings and transcripts of the call are posted on the Sub Team’s meeting wiki page here: https://community.icann.org/x/DxHfAw Thanks, and again, apologies about the delay. Amr Action Items: 1. To cover concerns to registrants, Sub Team to suggest possible rewording of Question 1, batching it with other questions, or possibly suggest an additional question 2. Sub Team to follow up with Lori Schulman on data (examples) to answer Proposed Final Question 2 provided in the INTA survey results/report 3. Sub Team to consider adding a fourth bullet to Proposed Final Question 2 on registry operator practices other than pricing of Sunrise registrations and Premium Names, which may have a deterrent effect on brand owners’ use of Sunrise 4. Sub Team to follow up on outstanding action item regarding definitions for Premium Names, Reserved Names and Premium Sunrise Pricing on the mailing list 5. Sub Team to consider rewording of Proposed Final Question 3 to reflect that the effect on both trademark holders and registry operators needs to be considered, when discussing the impact on geoTLDs and QLPs when reserved names are registered in the TMCH 6. Sub Team to revise Final Proposed Questions (such as Final Proposed Question 4) to ensure that they incorporate the original Charter questions, and are asking questions that are practically answerable 7. Sub Team to look over the Proposed Final Question 6, which addresses the intended effect and effectiveness of Sunrise, and consider if it requires further refinement 8. Staff to circulate previous versions and current version of the google doc tables, so that Sub Team can track changes made

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Recordings, attendance & AC Chat for Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations call on Friday, 19 May 2017 at 14:00 UTC
by Michelle DeSmyter May 19, 2017

May 19, 2017

Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations on Friday, 19 May 2017 at 14:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/DxHfAw MP3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-19may17-en.mp3 Adobe Connect recording: https://participate.icann.org/p65wcrce00a/ The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-sunrise/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/DxHfAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle Adobe Connect chat transcript for 19 May 2017: Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations call on Friday, 19 May 2017 at 14:00 UTC. Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting agenda page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_… Mary Wong:Thanks for uploading the Google Doc - I had just PFD'd it! Amr Elsadr::-) Amr Elsadr:But like you said, it doesn't include Maxim's comments. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All, Matt Mlsna:Hello Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):As I understand it is possible to print comments usign Griffin Barnett:Thanks Mary Griffin Barnett:Sounds good Matt Mlsna:Agreed Amr Elsadr:@Maxim: If I'm not mistaken, the only possible action on comments is to resolve them, which would remove them entirely. In the future, we could paste them into the comments/discussion column? Matt Mlsna:thanks :) Jeff Neuman:Hello. I have to leave early (at half past) as well Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):please pring Google doc to PDF again an upload to Adobe Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*and Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I included comments into the last column Amr Elsadr:Am doing that now, Maxim. See your comments in the columns. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):unortunately, last call was done during the flight time from the GDD summit for many Registries. Amr Elsadr:Action items, notes, recordings, transcripts, etc... from last week's call can be found here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_… Griffin Barnett:+1 Kristine, fine to leave this question in, and a-is Griffin Barnett:*as-is Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Q1: as is Matt Mlsna:Agree leave as-is Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I have a notice: Do we know if ICANN is have right to regulate prices? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*have the right Griffin Barnett:I'm personally comfortable with the reformulated Q2 Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I suggest we request the answer from ICANN Legal. Amr Elsadr:I understood the question as Kristine does. I don't believe the intent was to recommend any pricing regulation via consensus policies. Griffin Barnett:Agree again with Kristine on this Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if ICANN does not have right to regulate prices, then any kind of policy related to price regulation can not be implemented. Griffin Barnett:I think ICANN could regulate prices if policy recommendations demanded it - would require a change to the base RA presumably Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think we need to report to our whole RPM PDP WG that we might need the answer to this question (we can not request as a subgroup) Griffin Barnett:Doesn't ICANN regulate prices in legacy TLDs? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):only increase of prices Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and old contracts are irrelevent to new RAs Kathy Kleiman:Hi All! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*irrelevant Kathy Kleiman:Was a question dropped? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):due to registries , as independant legal bodies are not responcible for actions of other non-affiliated legal bodies. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*independent Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):we might need to reword question Q2 (to show that was it a pricing or any other reason which prevented you from Sunrise registration?) Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and we need to add " any additional reasons: please write more about it" Griffin Barnett:Or perhaps we add a sub-question saying "Were there other registry practices other than pricing that chilled brand owner participation in Sunrise?" or something along those lines Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Griffin, we need to add open field , "or was it something else"? I do not think that everithyng was only due to registries policies. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*happend this way Griffin Barnett:Point taken Amr Elsadr:I'm at Starbucks too. :-) Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):additional note about challenging "premium" status - it is written in RA that names reserved according to ICANNs inclusions to contracts (like ICANN reserved lists ) and everything else it solely up to a registry. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):me too Griffin Barnett:Very hard to understand Kathy...just me? Matt Mlsna:cutting out for me as well Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the sound is better now Jeff Neuman:Kathy - what is the issue with the order? Matt Mlsna:I have to drop now, but would support Griffin's proposed wording for a fourth bullet point on Question 2 Jeff Neuman:i have to drop Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: Could you provide a suggested question to be added to cover the concerns you are raising? Amr Elsadr:Correct. Amr Elsadr:I believe this is the 4th version. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Amr....to be clear, the left column is directly from the charter, no changes? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:thanks Amr Elsadr:@Kristine: Yes. The last table was a comparison between the last version and the updated one. Staff were then asked to revise the table to include the original Charter questions, and match them against the most recent refinements/batching. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Great, thanks. I thought so! Griffin Barnett:I'm not sure "chiling effect" is the right terminology....the question is really getting at whether reserving names that match TMCH-recorded marks circumvents Sunrise when the reserved name is later released after Sunrise Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we have supporting information to these allegations? Griffin Barnett:Exactly right Kristine Griffin Barnett:and also risking losing them to a third party when they should have had the opportunity to register them during Sunrise Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):are we still on Q2 or on Q3? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:new Q3 Griffin Barnett:Maxim, that's a fair enough point, but we might be getting ahead of ourselves. Seems like you are starting to respond to the Q, while we are still working to finalize the Q wording. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it is not APLs it is the single ALP .MADRID Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Agree with Maxim about the fact that putting some brands on a reserved list for registry operator reasons/plans is not always bad. I think a good WG discussion will include this. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Agree with Mary...it's about the effect. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):all other GEOs decided to to risk Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ith ALPs Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):police is a real example Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Griffin used a good word: circumvent. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:.MADRID reserving POLICE for the actual police is not circumventing in my world. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and according to local law they have this name Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it is not about premium - it is about reserved Griffin Barnett:No one is disagreeing that there may not be legitimate reasons for reserving certain names such that they are unavailable during Sunrise, but that's a discussion we can have at the appropriate time. Griffin Barnett:Sorry that was a lot of double negatives Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1 Griffin Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):since reserved names + release+ QLPs are quite tied, these needs to be discussed together, to avoid destruction of current GEO model. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Agree Maxim, that is one consideration. But the majority of TLDs are NOT Geos Griffin Barnett:Agree it may make sense to bundle any questions relating to reserved names, premium names, pricing, and ALP/QLP together, as they are inter-related Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:So we need examples from both Geos and Non-Geos Griffin Barnett:Agree Kristine. And we might ultimately decide to carve out Geos from any recommendations, or otherwise make recommendations that treat Geos differently than other TLD types Griffin Barnett:But again, getting ahead of ourselves Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):GEOs represent quite big number of real people Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Completely agree...we just need to remember that there are a lot of models Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I don't think brand owners think all the models are problematic. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ROs are prohibited from TMCH access Griffin Barnett:Ok agian, that's a fine point, but that's getting into substantive responses to the Question. Can we try and stay focused on agreeing to the wording of the Question itself? Kathty:Back to the "chilling effect" of questions 2 and 3. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Question 4 is a solution - if Question 3 is a problem. Kathty:I think this will introduce a range of questions, definitional issues, etc. Kathty:any objection to rewording?? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I like Q6 moved to the top of the list.... at this point. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Q5 is also a solution to Q3, if there is indeed a problem Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I still do not understand how ROs will access TMCH with current prohibition of access to it Griffin Barnett:It's a good point Kristine - reworded Q6 seems like it should be Q1 doesn't it Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Maxim, the group may decide to make the TMCH public stilll.... if not, then the WG will need to say "sorry, no can do." Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):agree Griffin Barnett:Don't ROs have access, just limited to the specific purposes of facilitating TM Claims and SUnrise? Might need to go back and review the RA/TMCH T&C Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):then we need to add a note that since Registries do not have access to TMCH - then it is not simple Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):RO's are prohibited from access ... we had issues with simple "ping" of TMCH (to understand if it works or not at all) Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Maxim, it's our job as ROs to remind the group of that when we get there. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ok Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):but adding notice will not allow us to forget about it Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: That corresponds to the original Charter question 13 in the column on the far left. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Kathy, the point was to make the reworded questions more general...too specific points to suggesting the solution Kathty:Can you circulate the current version and the last version? Mary and Amr? Kathty:That will be helpful, tx. Kathty:To the Notes, please add concern about phrasing, wording, need for balance, and consideration of TM owners, registries and registrants in the questions. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all Griffin Barnett:Thank you Mary, all....bye Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:great job pinch-hitting, Mary! Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.

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Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Ext] Re: FOR REVIEW/DISCUSSION: Updated Google Doc on Sunrise Charter questions
by Mary Wong May 19, 2017

May 19, 2017

Hi Maxim and all – unfortunately, displaying a document in PDF means the comments in the Google Doc aren’t visible. I’ll keep tabs on the Sub Team’s discussion during the call and will be sure to raise it when we reach any point where there has been a comment added to the Google Doc. I hope that works, thanks! Cheers Mary From: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba(a)gmail.com> Date: Friday, May 19, 2017 at 14:15 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org> Cc: "gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org" <gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] FOR REVIEW/DISCUSSION: Updated Google Doc on Sunrise Charter questions Hello Mary, I provided my comments, please include it into the document we discuss today (last time they were not visible). Sincerely Yours, Maxim Alzoba Special projects manager, International Relations Department, FAITID m. +7 916 6761580(+whatsapp) skype oldfrogger Current UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow) On May 18, 2017, at 02:04, Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Sub Team members, With apologies for the slight delay in getting this to you, please note that staff has now updated the Google Doc we used on the last call in accordance with what we understood our instructions to be. As such, you should find – in the third column from the left titled “Proposed Final Updates/Refinements made by the Sub Team” – a list of 12 Sunrise-related questions in total that the Sub Team is intending to recommend be reviewed by the full Working Group:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxv…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>. Please review the document, especially the above-mentioned third column, in preparation for the next Sub Team call this Friday where we will try to complete discussions on any additional data gathering that may be needed for those questions that have not yet been associated with a possible data gathering effort, as well as confirm the estimated time allocations for Working Group review of these proposed final questions. In addition, please also remember that there is another action item for this Sub Team; i.e. to discuss/develop definitions on premium names, reserved names, premium Sunrise pricing on mailing list. Please therefore send any thoughts or comments on this topic to this mailing list as well. Thanks and cheers Amr and Mary From: <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Amr Elsadr <amr.elsadr(a)icann.org<mailto:amr.elsadr@icann.org>> Date: Friday, May 12, 2017 at 22:33 To: "gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org>> Subject: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Action Items from Sunrise Registrations Sub Team Call on Friday, 12 May 2017 Dear Sub Team Members, Below are the action items from today’s Sub Team call. The action items, notes, recordings, transcripts and documents/materials for today’s call are all posted on today’s meeting wiki page here: https://community.icann.org/x/Ow3fAw[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_…> Action Items: 1. Changes to the table in the Google Doc a. Staff to repurpose the Comments/Discussion column - populate it with contextual information already gathered to provide reference on changes made to the Charter questions, enabling a clear and comprehensive explanation of Sub Team deliverable to the broader Working Group (including the original Charter question 16) b. Staff to insert previous notes already collected in the column for data collection c. Staff to merge updated question 12 with updated question 11, and incorporate new wording provided by Susan Payne - to be reviewed by the Sub Team, then flagged to the broader Working Group for further follow-up 2. Staff and Sub Team to follow up on pending actions items from previous week: a. Staff to find and circulate earlier answers to the SMD issue provided by Deloitte (in CPH and previously in writing) b. Sub Team to discuss/develop definitions on premium names, reserved names, premium Sunrise pricing on mailing list c. Staff to match and integrate original and reworded questions with data and timeline discussion d. Coordinate discussion on Reserved Names with SubPro (esp WT2) - action for meeting between WG, Sub Team and Work Track chairs (and liaisons) Thanks. Amr _______________________________________________ Gnso-rpm-sunrise mailing list Gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org<mailto:Gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-sunrise

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FOR REVIEW/DISCUSSION: Updated Google Doc on Sunrise Charter questions
by Mary Wong May 17, 2017

May 17, 2017

Dear Sub Team members, With apologies for the slight delay in getting this to you, please note that staff has now updated the Google Doc we used on the last call in accordance with what we understood our instructions to be. As such, you should find – in the third column from the left titled “Proposed Final Updates/Refinements made by the Sub Team” – a list of 12 Sunrise-related questions in total that the Sub Team is intending to recommend be reviewed by the full Working Group: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9…. Please review the document, especially the above-mentioned third column, in preparation for the next Sub Team call this Friday where we will try to complete discussions on any additional data gathering that may be needed for those questions that have not yet been associated with a possible data gathering effort, as well as confirm the estimated time allocations for Working Group review of these proposed final questions. In addition, please also remember that there is another action item for this Sub Team; i.e. to discuss/develop definitions on premium names, reserved names, premium Sunrise pricing on mailing list. Please therefore send any thoughts or comments on this topic to this mailing list as well. Thanks and cheers Amr and Mary From: <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Amr Elsadr <amr.elsadr(a)icann.org> Date: Friday, May 12, 2017 at 22:33 To: "gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org" <gnso-rpm-sunrise(a)icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Action Items from Sunrise Registrations Sub Team Call on Friday, 12 May 2017 Dear Sub Team Members, Below are the action items from today’s Sub Team call. The action items, notes, recordings, transcripts and documents/materials for today’s call are all posted on today’s meeting wiki page here: https://community.icann.org/x/Ow3fAw[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_…> Action Items: 1. Changes to the table in the Google Doc a. Staff to repurpose the Comments/Discussion column - populate it with contextual information already gathered to provide reference on changes made to the Charter questions, enabling a clear and comprehensive explanation of Sub Team deliverable to the broader Working Group (including the original Charter question 16) b. Staff to insert previous notes already collected in the column for data collection c. Staff to merge updated question 12 with updated question 11, and incorporate new wording provided by Susan Payne - to be reviewed by the Sub Team, then flagged to the broader Working Group for further follow-up 2. Staff and Sub Team to follow up on pending actions items from previous week: a. Staff to find and circulate earlier answers to the SMD issue provided by Deloitte (in CPH and previously in writing) b. Sub Team to discuss/develop definitions on premium names, reserved names, premium Sunrise pricing on mailing list c. Staff to match and integrate original and reworded questions with data and timeline discussion d. Coordinate discussion on Reserved Names with SubPro (esp WT2) - action for meeting between WG, Sub Team and Work Track chairs (and liaisons) Thanks. Amr

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