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Proposed agenda for meeting #75 on Tuesday 20 December 2022 at 16:00 UTC
by Emily Barabas Dec. 20, 2022

Dec. 20, 2022

Dear Working Group members, Please find below the proposed agenda for the next meeting scheduled to take place on Tuesday 20 December 2022 at 16:00 UTC. As mentioned previously over email, the focus of the call will be on allowing the small group’s to present their work. Kind regards, Caitlin, Berry, Julie, and Emily ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Transfer Policy Review - Meeting #75 Proposed Agenda 13 December 2022 1. Roll Call & SOI updates 2. Welcome and Chair Updates 3. Small Group on Exemption for Recommendation 16 and 17 (proposal<https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-tpr/2022-December/000714.html>) 4. Small Group on TTL Enforcement (proposal at the bottom of Recommendation 13 Working Document<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wq4dHcIFR5XogoutSh0klkCyhZFUlS1z7cl2ilv…>) 5. AOB

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REMINDER | Meeting Invitation | Transfer Policy Review PDP WG call | Tuesday, 20 December 2022
by Devan Reed Dec. 19, 2022

Dec. 19, 2022

Dear all, The next Transfer Policy Review PDP WG call is scheduled for Tuesday, 20 December 2022 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes. * If unable to attend, members must communicate their alternate replacement using this google form<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScXP3-H…>. To join - Zoom Information: Main Zoom Webinar link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/95363727469?pwd=N3A3OWFSaTlUME9wZzlGajk5VUI3QT09 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/95363727469?pwd=N3A3OWFS…> Passcode: @TP/^*4wg# If you are joining via audio only: One tap mobile: US: +19294362866,,95363727469#,,,,*7490739013# or +13017158592,,95363727469#,,,,*7490739013# Telephone: Dial (for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 929 436 2866 or +1 301 715 8592 or +1 312 626 6799 or +1 669 900 6833 or +1 253 215 8782 or +1 346 248 7799 or 888 788 0099 (Toll Free) or 877 853 5247 (Toll Free) Webinar ID: 953 6372 7469 Passcode: 7490739013 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/acdLFXPLp6 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/acdLFXPLp6__;!!PtGJab4!v…> Members, alternates, and observers all have different access and participation directions, please read below! ALL: Before joining the call: * Please send apologies and dial out requests to gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> only * Please be sure you have read the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en> * Visit the Wiki Agenda meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/_wnVD * For other places see: https://tinyurl.com/3zvnjw28 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tinyurl.com/3zvnjw28__;!!PtGJab4!6w9krA_…> ONLY FOR MEMBERS & ALTERNATES: * Staff will promote members and alternates to panelist once joined. * Chat: Please select Everyone so everyone can see your chat, and so it’s captured in the recording. * Alternate assignments will be publicly posted to the Alternate Log-Transfer Policy Review PDP<https://community.icann.org/x/V4aUCQ> wiki page. * Alternates (not replacing a member): Rename your line by adding THREE Zs (zzz) before your name and add, your affiliation - alternate after your name. * Alternates (not replacing a member) are not allowed to engage in the chat or use any of the other zoom room functionalities such as raising hands or agreeing/disagreeing. ONLY FOR OBSERVERS: * Observers will have ability to view member chat and information shared in the zoom webinar room. Observers will not be able to use chat or raise hands. Thank you. Kind regards, Devan

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MEETING CANCELLED | Meeting Invitation | Transfer Policy Review PDP WG call | Tuesday, 20 December 2022
by Devan Reed Dec. 14, 2022

Dec. 14, 2022

**Please note: The Thursday, 15 December 2022 meeting has been cancelled. Please remove it from your calendars. The next scheduled meeting is on Tuesday, 20 December 2022, the meeting details can be found below. Dear all, The next Transfer Policy Review PDP WG call is scheduled for Tuesday, 20 December 2022 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes. * If unable to attend, members must communicate their alternate replacement using this google form<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScXP3-H…>. To join - Zoom Information: Main Zoom Webinar link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/95363727469?pwd=N3A3OWFSaTlUME9wZzlGajk5VUI3QT09 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/95363727469?pwd=N3A3OWFS…> Passcode: @TP/^*4wg# If you are joining via audio only: One tap mobile: US: +19294362866,,95363727469#,,,,*7490739013# or +13017158592,,95363727469#,,,,*7490739013# Telephone: Dial (for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 929 436 2866 or +1 301 715 8592 or +1 312 626 6799 or +1 669 900 6833 or +1 253 215 8782 or +1 346 248 7799 or 888 788 0099 (Toll Free) or 877 853 5247 (Toll Free) Webinar ID: 953 6372 7469 Passcode: 7490739013 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/acdLFXPLp6 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/acdLFXPLp6__;!!PtGJab4!v…> Members, alternates, and observers all have different access and participation directions, please read below! ALL: Before joining the call: * Please send apologies and dial out requests to gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> only * Please be sure you have read the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en> * Visit the Wiki Agenda meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/_wnVD * For other places see: https://tinyurl.com/3zvnjw28 ONLY FOR MEMBERS & ALTERNATES: * Staff will promote members and alternates to panelist once joined. * Chat: Please select Everyone so everyone can see your chat, and so it’s captured in the recording. * Alternate assignments will be publicly posted to the Alternate Log-Transfer Policy Review PDP<https://community.icann.org/x/V4aUCQ> wiki page. * Alternates (not replacing a member): Rename your line by adding THREE Zs (zzz) before your name and add, your affiliation - alternate after your name. * Alternates (not replacing a member) are not allowed to engage in the chat or use any of the other zoom room functionalities such as raising hands or agreeing/disagreeing. ONLY FOR OBSERVERS: * Observers will have ability to view member chat and information shared in the zoom webinar room. Observers will not be able to use chat or raise hands. Thank you. Kind regards, Devan

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Canceled: Transfer Policy Review PDP WG
by ICANN Policy Calendar Dec. 14, 2022

Dec. 14, 2022

Meeting: Transfer Policy Review PDP WG Date/Time: Thursday, 15 December 2022 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes Join the Zoom Webinar: https://icann.zoom.us/j/95363727469?pwd=N3A3OWFSaTlUME9wZzlGajk5VUI3QT09 Passcode: @TP/^*4wg# * If unable to attend, members must communicate their alternate replacement using this google form<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScXP3-H…>. ALL: Before joining the call: * Please send apologies and dial out requests to gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> only * Please be sure you have read the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en> * Wiki agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/cYIFDQ * Time conversion link: https://tinyurl.com/33ke8na4 ONLY for Members & Alternates: * Please join via the above Zoom Webinar link and staff will promote you to Panelist * Alternate replacements will be posted to the Alternate Log-Transfer Policy Review PDP wiki page<https://community.icann.org/x/V4aUCQ>. * Members and alternates replacing members, please select Everyone when posting to the chat in order for everyone to see and to be captured afterwards. * Alternates (not replacing a member): Please rename your line in Zoom by adding THREE Zs “zzz” before your name, and in parentheses, (your affiliation - alternate), after your name. To rename in Zoom, hover over your name and click ‘rename’. * Alternates (not replacing a member) are not allowed to engage in the chat or use any of the other zoom room functionalities such as raising hands or agreeing/disagreeing. ONLY for Observers: * Observers will have ability to view member chat and information shared in the zoom webinar room. Observers will not be able to use chat or raise hands. For Audio only: One tap mobile: US: +19294362866,,95363727469#,,,,*7490739013# or +13017158592,,95363727469#,,,,*7490739013# Webinar ID: 953 6372 7469 Passcode: 7490739013 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/acdLFXPLp6

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No TPR call tomorrow, Thursday 15 December
by Emily Barabas Dec. 14, 2022

Dec. 14, 2022

Dear working group members, With our review of the Public Comment Review Tools complete and work still underway in some of the small teams, we are going to cancel tomorrow’s TPR call and give the small teams a little more time to wrap up their work, as needed. The focus of our call on Tuesday, 20 December will be to review and consider outputs from the small teams. Please feel free to reach out on list with any questions. Kind regards, Caitlin, Berry, Julie, and Emily Emily Barabas Policy Development Support Senior Manager Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Phone: +31 (0)6 84507976 www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org/>

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Notes and action items - TPR WG Meeting #73 - 13 December 2022 at 16:00 UTC
by Julie Hedlund Dec. 13, 2022

Dec. 13, 2022

Dear TPR WG members, Please find below the notes and action items from today’s meeting. The next meeting will be on Thursday, 15 December at 16:00 UTC. Best regards, Emily, Julie, Berry, and Caitlin ACTION ITEMS/HOMEWORK: 1. Jothan Frakes, Jim Galvin, Jody Kolker, and Rick Wilhelm have volunteered to compile a list of attack vectors and how the recommendations solve for them, or where they are out of scope. 2. Recommendation 13: Question to the Community -- Small Team on TTL Enforcement: Send the proposal to the list with rationale. 3. Other - Additional Suggested Topics and Proposals – Item 7 from ICANN Org – see: gnso-TPR-P1A-pcrt-Initial-Report-Additional Topics and Proposals_20221213.docx<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/201949311/gnso-TPR-P1A-pcr…> -- Request for ICANN Org Compliance to suggest specific language. 4. Other - Additional Input – see: gnso-TPR-P1A-pcrt-Initial-Report-General_20220829.docx<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/201949311/gnso-TPR-P1A-pcr…> -- WG members to look at comments 12-23 and 24-33 to make sure there is something we haven’t already covered Notes: Transfer Policy Review - Meeting #73 Proposed Agenda 13 December 2022 1. Roll Call & SOI updates 2. Welcome and Chair Updates * Small Team Updates: * Recs 16 & 17 lock override: Met yesterday (12 Dec) – Developed a proposal that they can share to the full list. * Rec 13 TTL: Meeting today (13 Dec). 3. Review of additional mailing list feedback<https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-tpr/2022-December/date.html> on Small Team Proposal regarding Transfer Policy section I.A.3.7.1<https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-tpr/2022-December/000696.html> * Adding DNS Security Threat and definition to Evidence of Fraud. * Two new items on the mailing list in response: * Mike R.: Why this should be added to MUST not transfer. * Rick’s response to Mike (why it should stay as MAY). * Status: Intent is to go with this proposed language in the MAY category. Need to be able to give flexibility to registrars to have discretion. * Examples: Need to study a security threat (such a Microsoft or Facebook) – to transfer from one registrar to another. * Question: Why not just write in an exception for the above example, but keep it as a MUST? If that is the only exception. * There needs to be flexibility for various examples – not just the one exception. Leaving it broad is the better approach. * Hard to explain this clearly to those who think it should be MUST. Need a more compelling argument. * Most WG members agree to stay with the proposed language in the MAY category. 4. Phase 1A Initial Report Public comment review – review of items not specifically tied to a recommendation (please see Public Comment Review Documents in the bottom three rows of the table on the wiki page here<https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/Phase+1A+-+Public+Comment+Review>): a. Other - Additional Suggested Topics and Proposals – Item 7 only from ICANN Org – see: gnso-TPR-P1A-pcrt-Initial-Report-Additional Topics and Proposals_20221213.docx<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/201949311/gnso-TPR-P1A-pcr…> Summary: “ICANN org suggests that the policy recommendation include requirements related to the maintenance and provision to ICANN (upon reasonable notice) of records related to when/how/to whom the TAC was provided, regardless of the means the registrar chooses to use to provide the TAC.” Discussion: * Assume this goes along with transfer disputes; and when we talk about control panel access – if it was provided by the control panel the registrant still had to be notified. * Relates to the difficulty of proving who accessed the control panel. * Would be helpful to see specific language. Also would need a data processing agreement before registrars could provide personal data. * Assumed that if there's a requirement (e.g. provide TAC only to RNH) that the corresponding obligation to be able to prove we met that requirement is assumed? * This adds a new layer to previous discussions about record keeping. * Registrars need to see the benefit of logging. Registrars would need to look at costs vs. benefits and also the DPA. * ICANN Org Compliance: Registrars should be able to provide evidence [documentation? Records?] of compliance with TAC and notification provision requirements. ACTION ITEM: Request for ICANN Org Compliance to suggest specific language. b. Other - WG Process and Modalities – see: gnso-TPR-P1A-pcrt-Initial-Report-WG Process and Modalities_20220829.docx<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/201949311/gnso-TPR-P1A-pcr…> Comments 1-10 – requests to extend the deadline (other elements are captured elsewhere). Discussion: * Leadership considered the request and extended the public comment period. Not sure there was a benefit for a longer extension. * Note comment 10 also touches on a couple of other items – concerns about registrants being underrepresented and lack of balance, which we’ll talk about below. Comments 11-14: Discussion: * Discussed participation and representation: We do report attendance and we are seeing diversity of viewpoints – between registrars as well as with non-registrars. * Attendance is also included in the monthly reports to Council. * The WG will go back to weekly meetings as of the beginning of the year. If a member cannot attend a call he or she should establish an alternate for that call. c. Other - Additional Input – see: gnso-TPR-P1A-pcrt-Initial-Report-General_20220829.docx<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/201949311/gnso-TPR-P1A-pcr…> Comments 1, 2, 5, 6, and 11: Discussion: * Note: Many of the comments in this document are covered elsewhere and have already been dealt with (12-23, 25-33). * All raised concerns about the elimination of the Losing FOA. Discussed with Recommendation 2 and adding back in the ability to ACK or NACK. * WG agrees that these comments have been previously addressed. Comments 3 and 4: Discussion: * Don’t think we discussed this: “SSAC should also do a thorough review, in light of our own comments that highlighted the inconsistencies between their past advisories and the working group's recommendations.” * Leap of Faith provided a lot of good comments that the WG has reviewed. * Don’t know if we wanted to ask the SSAC to write a specific report. * SSAC did have the opportunity to comment (but didn’t). SSAC isn’t shy about contributing to community discussions. They have chosen not to in this case. Not sure why we would make a specific request of them; could look like we are delaying the process. Comments 7-10 (all related to security): Discussion: * A lot of the process the WG went through addressed these issues – specifically making changes to enhance security. Couldn’t find hard data on unauthorized transfers. Balance of looking through the security procedures and make sure they make sense. * Security in these comments is in a different context – we don’t know until we implement these recommendation the impact on security. * Re: Lack of data – we are confronted with the same situation that there is a lack of reporting so a lack of data. Consider a recommendation in implementation or contractual negotiations. Comment 24: Discussion: * Don’t think the comment it raising anything new, but provides some helpful points. * No further comments from the WG. ACTION ITEM: WG members to look at comments 12-23 and 24-33 to make sure there is something we haven’t already covered. 5. AOB: No meeting 22 December and last week in December; first meeting in January is Tuesday, 10 January.

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Post Call | Transfer Policy Review PDP WG | Tuesday, 13 December 2022
by Devan Reed Dec. 13, 2022

Dec. 13, 2022

Dear all, All recordings for the Transfer Policy Review PDP WG call held on Tuesday, 13 December 2022 at 16:00 UTC can be found on the agenda wiki page <https://community.icann.org/x/_QnVD> (attendance included) and the GNSO Master calendar <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calen…> . These include: * Attendance * Audio recording * Zoom recording (including audio, visual, rough transcript, chat) * Transcript As a reminder only members and alternates can join the call as a Panelist, observers can join as an Attendee to listen. For additional information, you may consult the mailing list archives <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-tpr/> and the main wiki page<https://community.icann.org/x/P4aUCQ>. Thank you. With kind regards, Devan

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Meeting Invitation | Transfer Policy Review PDP WG call | Thursday, 15 December 2022
by Devan Reed Dec. 13, 2022

Dec. 13, 2022

Dear all, The next Transfer Policy Review PDP WG call is scheduled for Thursday, 15 December 2022 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes. * If unable to attend, members must communicate their alternate replacement using this google form<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScXP3-H…>. To join - Zoom Information: Main Zoom Webinar link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/95363727469?pwd=N3A3OWFSaTlUME9wZzlGajk5VUI3QT09 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/95363727469?pwd=N3A3OWFS…> Passcode: @TP/^*4wg# If you are joining via audio only: One tap mobile: US: +19294362866,,95363727469#,,,,*7490739013# or +13017158592,,95363727469#,,,,*7490739013# Telephone: Dial (for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 929 436 2866 or +1 301 715 8592 or +1 312 626 6799 or +1 669 900 6833 or +1 253 215 8782 or +1 346 248 7799 or 888 788 0099 (Toll Free) or 877 853 5247 (Toll Free) Webinar ID: 953 6372 7469 Passcode: 7490739013 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/acdLFXPLp6 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/acdLFXPLp6__;!!PtGJab4!v…> Members, alternates, and observers all have different access and participation directions, please read below! ALL: Before joining the call: * Please send apologies and dial out requests to gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> only * Please be sure you have read the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en> * Visit the Wiki Agenda meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/cYIFDQ * For other places see: https://tinyurl.com/33ke8na4 ONLY FOR MEMBERS & ALTERNATES: * Staff will promote members and alternates to panelist once joined. * Chat: Please select Everyone so everyone can see your chat, and so it’s captured in the recording. * Alternate assignments will be publicly posted to the Alternate Log-Transfer Policy Review PDP<https://community.icann.org/x/V4aUCQ> wiki page. * Alternates (not replacing a member): Rename your line by adding THREE Zs (zzz) before your name and add, your affiliation - alternate after your name. * Alternates (not replacing a member) are not allowed to engage in the chat or use any of the other zoom room functionalities such as raising hands or agreeing/disagreeing. ONLY FOR OBSERVERS: * Observers will have ability to view member chat and information shared in the zoom webinar room. Observers will not be able to use chat or raise hands. Thank you. Kind regards, Devan

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Draft proposal re: exemption for Recs. 16 & 17
by Owen Smigelski Dec. 13, 2022

Dec. 13, 2022

Hi all, Keiron, Zak, and I have a draft proposal regarding the post-create and post-transfer locks in Recommendations 16 and 17. We considered the desire to enhance security and provide a consistent experience across registrars, as well as the counter position that this can delay legitimate transfers and can be an unnecessary restriction on registrants. Our proposal is to add the option for registrars to opt out of the lock for “Established Customers”. This should reduce the chance of domains transferring to multiple registrars as part of hijacking, while allowing existing registrants to better manage their domains. A draft definition for “Established Customer” is: An established customer is a registrant who has previously received continuing services from a registrar for a period of more than 30 days and has an established relationship with the registrar. This typically refers to a customer who has a history of regular interactions with the registrar and has demonstrated a willingness to continue receiving services from the registrar in the future. We’re happy to discuss during our next call (including the amusing story of how we finalized this definition) or via the list. A big thanks to ICANN staff for organizing and facilitating our calls! Regards, Owen

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15 MINUTES REMINDER | Meeting Invitation | Transfer Policy Review PDP WG call | Tuesday, 13 December 2022
by Devan Reed Dec. 13, 2022

Dec. 13, 2022

Dear all, The next Transfer Policy Review PDP WG call is scheduled for Tuesday, 13 December 2022 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes. * If unable to attend, members must communicate their alternate replacement using this google form<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScXP3-H…>. To join - Zoom Information: Main Zoom Webinar link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/95363727469?pwd=N3A3OWFSaTlUME9wZzlGajk5VUI3QT09 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/95363727469?pwd=N3A3OWFS…> Passcode: @TP/^*4wg# If you are joining via audio only: One tap mobile: US: +19294362866,,95363727469#,,,,*7490739013# or +13017158592,,95363727469#,,,,*7490739013# Telephone: Dial (for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 929 436 2866 or +1 301 715 8592 or +1 312 626 6799 or +1 669 900 6833 or +1 253 215 8782 or +1 346 248 7799 or 888 788 0099 (Toll Free) or 877 853 5247 (Toll Free) Webinar ID: 953 6372 7469 Passcode: 7490739013 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/acdLFXPLp6 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/acdLFXPLp6__;!!PtGJab4!v…> Members, alternates, and observers all have different access and participation directions, please read below! ALL: Before joining the call: * Please send apologies and dial out requests to gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> only * Please be sure you have read the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en> * Visit the Wiki Agenda meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/_QnVD * For other places see: https://tinyurl.com/yc7nbp8c [tinyurl.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tinyurl.com/yc7nbp8c__;!!PtGJab4!5nM9dE3…> ONLY FOR MEMBERS & ALTERNATES: * Staff will promote members and alternates to panelist once joined. * Chat: Please select Everyone so everyone can see your chat, and so it’s captured in the recording. * Alternate assignments will be publicly posted to the Alternate Log-Transfer Policy Review PDP<https://community.icann.org/x/V4aUCQ> wiki page. * Alternates (not replacing a member): Rename your line by adding THREE Zs (zzz) before your name and add, your affiliation - alternate after your name. * Alternates (not replacing a member) are not allowed to engage in the chat or use any of the other zoom room functionalities such as raising hands or agreeing/disagreeing. ONLY FOR OBSERVERS: * Observers will have ability to view member chat and information shared in the zoom webinar room. Observers will not be able to use chat or raise hands. Thank you. Kind regards, Terri

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