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Re: [Koreangp] [lgr] [vip] Email Address Internationalization (EAI) and Gmail
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Nov. 11, 2014

Nov. 11, 2014

This is indeed good news, however I’d like to confirm what you’ve heard at ICANN London (the link to the transcript below is not working for me). Is it EAI (eg 福祥(a)xn--2d4a.xn--fiqs8s<mailto:福祥@邓.中国>) what they claim gmail will support or is it just IDN email (ie dennis(a)xn--2d4a.xn--fiqs8s<mailto:dennis@邓.中国>). I recently watched a presentation in Google I/O where they also talked about IDNs in email but it was not clear whether they will be supporting full EAI. If anyone could shed some light on this, it’d be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Dennis From: Jiankang Yao [mailto:healthyao@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:56 PM To: Fahd Batayneh; TF-AIDN (tf-aidn(a)meswg.org) LGR Mailing List; Variant IDN Project (vip(a)icann.org) Subject: Re: [vip] Email Address Internationalization (EAI) and Gmail A big news for EAI! ________________________________ Jiankang Yao From: Fahd Batayneh<mailto:fahd.batayneh@icann.org> Date: 2014-06-27 00:08 To: TF-AIDN (tf-aidn(a)meswg.org)<mailto:tf-aidn@meswg.org>; LGR Mailing List<mailto:lgr@icann.org>; Variant IDN Project (vip(a)icann.org)<mailto:vip@icann.org> Subject: [vip] Email Address Internationalization (EAI) and Gmail Friends and Colleagues, During the Public Forum at ICANN 50 in London, Jordyn Buchanan from Google confirmed that Gmail will support EAI on their platform by the end of this month. … by the end of this month gmail is going to be the first major mail platform with full EAI support, so you'll be able to email back and forth with gmail users at least … You can find the scribe at http://www.streamtext.net/player/carttranscript?event=SANDRINGHAM-26Jun2014. A good step forward for Universal Acceptance of IDNs. Thank you, Fahd Batayneh ICANN _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] Question about coordination principles for C J and K
by Wang Wei Oct. 29, 2014

Oct. 29, 2014

Dear Sarmad During the recent discussion in ICANN 51 and CGP fortnightly meeting, we realized that there is different understandings about the coordination principles proposed by IP. CGP discussed this issue with J and K, then we drafted a document (as the attached file) including two different solutions based on two different understandings. Could you please tell us which solution complies the original intention of the coordination principles? Regards Wang Wei _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] Question about coordination principles for C J and K
by Wang Wei Oct. 28, 2014

Oct. 28, 2014

Dear Sarmad During the recent discussion in ICANN 51 and CGP fortnightly meeting, we realized that there is different understandings about the coordination principles proposed by IP. CGP discussed this issue with J and K, then we drafted a document (as the attached file) including two different solutions based on two different understandings. Could you please tell us which solution complies the original intention of the coordination principles? Regards Wang Wei _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) [General Session]
by Jia-Juh Kimoto Oct. 14, 2014

Oct. 14, 2014

NOTE: Meeting Location Changed to Plaza Pavilion | Lobby Level Meeting: IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 Time: 10:00 to 11:15 PDT (Local Los Angeles Time) Location: Plaza Pavilion | Lobby Level | Hyatt Regency Century Plaza Remote Participation: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-lgr Agenda/Presenters: * Introduction - Sarmad Hussain * Need, Limitations and Mechanisms for the Root Zone LGR - Marc Blanchet * Challenges in Addressing Multiple Languages using Arabic Script - Meikal Mumin * Coordination between Chinese, Japanese and Korean Scripts - Wang Wei * Coordination between Neo-Brahmi Scripts - Nishit Jain * Coordination between Cyrillic, Greek and Latin Scripts - Cary Karp * Q/A _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop)
by Jia-Juh Kimoto Oct. 14, 2014

Oct. 14, 2014

NOTE: Meeting Location Changed to Plaza Pavilion | Lobby Level Meeting: IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 Time: 10:00 to 11:15 PDT (Local Los Angeles Time) Location: Plaza Pavilion | Lobby Level | Hyatt Regency Century Plaza Remote Participation: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-lgr Agenda/Presenters: * Introduction - Sarmad Hussain * Need, Limitations and Mechanisms for the Root Zone LGR - Marc Blanchet * Challenges in Addressing Multiple Languages using Arabic Script - Meikal Mumin * Coordination between Chinese, Japanese and Korean Scripts - Wang Wei * Coordination between Neo-Brahmi Scripts - Nishit Jain * Coordination between Cyrillic, Greek and Latin Scripts - Cary Karp * Q/A _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] IDN Program Update [General Session]
by Jia-Juh Kimoto Oct. 14, 2014

Oct. 14, 2014

NOTE: Meeting Location Changed to Plaza Pavilion | Lobby Level Meeting: IDN Program Update [General Session] Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 Time: 8:30 to 9:45 PDT (Local Los Angeles Time) Location: Plaza Pavilion | Lobby Level |Hyatt Regency Century Plaza Session URL: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-idn Agenda/Presenters: * IDN Program - Sarmad Hussain * Maximal Starting Repertoire (MSR) - Marc Blanchet * Transitioning from MSR to LGR- Asmus Freytag * LGR Builder - Kim Davies * Community Updates o Need for Latin GP - Cary Karp o Update on Arabic GP - Meikal Mumin * Q/A _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) – Coordination across languages and scripts
by Jia-Juh Kimoto Oct. 14, 2014

Oct. 14, 2014

Meeting: IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) – Coordination across languages and scripts Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 Time: 10:00 to 11:15 PDT (Local Los Angeles Time) Location: Directors | South Mezzanine Level | Meeting: IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop ) [General Session] Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 Time: 10:00 to 11:15 PDT (Local Los Angeles Time) Location: Directors | South Mezzanine Level | Hyatt Regency Century Plaza Remote Participation: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-lgr Presentation Title: IDN Root Zone LGR Agenda/Presenters: • Introduction – Sarmad Hussain • Need, Limitations and Mechanisms for the Root Zone LGR – Marc Blanchet • Challenges in Addressing Multiple Languages using Arabic Script – Meikal Mumin • Coordination between Chinese, Japanese and Korean Scripts – Wang Wei • Coordination between Neo-Brahmi Scripts – Nishit Jain • Coordination between Cyrillic, Greek and Latin Scripts – Cary Karp • Q/A _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) – Coordination across languages and scripts
by Jia-Juh Kimoto Oct. 14, 2014

Oct. 14, 2014

Meeting: IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) – Coordination across languages and scripts Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 Time: 10:00 to 11:15 PDT (Local Los Angeles Time) Location: Directors | South Mezzanine Level | Meeting: IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop ) [General Session] Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 Time: 10:00 to 11:15 PDT (Local Los Angeles Time) Location: Directors | South Mezzanine Level | Hyatt Regency Century Plaza Remote Participation: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-lgr Presentation Title: IDN Root Zone LGR Agenda/Presenters: • Introduction – Sarmad Hussain • Need, Limitations and Mechanisms for the Root Zone LGR – Marc Blanchet • Challenges in Addressing Multiple Languages using Arabic Script – Meikal Mumin • Coordination between Chinese, Japanese and Korean Scripts – Wang Wei • Coordination between Neo-Brahmi Scripts – Nishit Jain • Coordination between Cyrillic, Greek and Latin Scripts – Cary Karp • Q/A Hyatt Regency Century Plaza Remote Participation: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-lgr _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] IDN Program Update [General Session]
by Jia-Juh Kimoto Oct. 14, 2014

Oct. 14, 2014

Meeting: IDN Program Update [General Session] Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 Time: 8:30 to 9:45 PDT (Local Los Angeles Time) Location: Santa Monica | California Level | Hyatt Regency Century Plaza Session URL: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-idn Agenda/Presenters: * IDN Program - Sarmad Hussain * Maximal Starting Repertoire (MSR) - Marc Blanchet * Transitioning from MSR to LGR- Asmus Freytag * LGR Builder - Kim Davies * Community Updates o Need for Latin GP - Cary Karp o Update on Arabic GP - Meikal Mumin * Q/A _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) – Coordination across languages and scripts
by Jia-Juh Kimoto Oct. 13, 2014

Oct. 13, 2014

Meeting: IDN Root Zone LGR (Workshop) – Coordination across languages and scripts Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 Time: 10:00 to 11:15 PDT (Local Los Angeles Time) Location: Directors | South Mezzanine Level | Hyatt Regency Century Plaza Remote Participation: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-lgr _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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[lgr] IDN Program Update [General Session]
by Jia-Juh Kimoto Oct. 13, 2014

Oct. 13, 2014

Meeting: IDN Program Update [General Session] Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 Time: 8:30 to 9:45 PDT (Local Los Angeles Time) Location: Santa Monica | California Level | Hyatt Regency Century Plaza IDN Program Update: http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-idn _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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FW: [ChineseGP] 转发: ICANN 51 IDN Presentation - KGP
by Han Chuan Lee Oct. 8, 2014

Oct. 8, 2014

Dear KGP, Please see response from Mr Chris Dillon. Regards Han Chuan, Lee From: <Dillon>, Chris <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk> Date: Monday, 6 October, 2014 8:34 pm To: Wang Wei <wangwei(a)cnnic.cn>, "ChineseGP(a)icann.org" <ChineseGP(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [ChineseGP] 转发: ICANN 51 IDN Presentation - KGP Dear Professor Kim, Wang Wei and colleagues, I thought I would have a try at answering the questions. I hope it’s helpful. Regards, Chris. == S[slide]3: The example is an interesting one as the difficult characters are used in situations where U4E00 一 may cause confusion e.g. Banknotes. S4 Professor Zhang’s thoughts on what is a character (同源 etc., same sound/meaning/form) are relevant here. Q11 No, as the mappings at LGR level need to be the same. Yes, as the most liberal mapping (in this case CN) needs to be used when the local tables are different. If this causes large variant sets, more difficult individual solutions may be necessary. Q12 Yes. As long as the mappings are merged in the most liberal way. Q13 No. As the most liberal mapping needs to be used. Q14 Yes; it is a possible scenario. Although if 壹 were blocked in all the local tables, it could not have been registered. S8 1.2 Yes; there can be a single mapping. Compromises may be necessary if large variant sets are created. 1.3 No, each language/script can’t have its own mapping, but can have its own dispositions. No; I can’t think of one. Any suggestions? Q21 Under the P2.1 procedure, I think the KGP needs to be set up first and then have its proposal approved. Q22 The CN LGR is certainly at an advanced stage. S15 The JGP does seem to be saying that Old Character Forms and New Character Forms are not variants. I am not sure whether the JGP considers them separate characters. They are certainly not universally variants as with SC and TC. However, I have argued elsewhere that in individual names it is common for a name to prefer an Old Character Form as with 紀伊國屋 and 紀伊国屋. I call these lexical variants, as they only occur in certain names and could not happen if they were separate characters. S14 Note that on slide 3 KR has 壹 and 壱 as variants. I guess we do need to think more about the character level than the word level, although admittedly large number of examples may affect our thinking as with 紀伊國屋. I welcome corrections and additions. Regards, Chris. == Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

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Re: [Koreangp] [Japanesegp] FW: Variant type of CGP repertoire
by Yoshiro YONEYA Oct. 2, 2014

Oct. 2, 2014

Dear Han Chuan, Thank you for forwarding CGP's documents and give us the opportunity to comment on them. However, the documents are too large so it's simply impossible for us to comment in 2 days. So, please accept our apologies and have us some time to review them. Regards, Yoshiro oh behalf of JGP preparatory team

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FW: Variant type of CGP repertoire
by Han Chuan Lee Oct. 1, 2014

Oct. 1, 2014

Dear members of the JGP and KGP, Please see the attached documents from CGP. Do give us your comments by this Friday (3 Oct 2014). Thank you! Regards Han Chuan, Lee From: Wang Wei <wangwei(a)cnnic.cn> Date: Tuesday, 30 September, 2014 4:49 pm To: Han Chuan Lee <hanchuan.lee(a)icann.org> Cc: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org>, 'Kenny Huang' <huangksh(a)gmail.com> Subject: Variant type of CGP repertoire Dear Hanchuan According to the work plan, CGP marks the variant type for every code point in the current CGP repertoire, in the XML-format(draft-davies-idntables-08, Representing Label Generation Rulesets using XML). CGP also makes another EXCEL version in the format of appendix F, Procedure to Develop and Maintain the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone in Respect of IDNA Labels The variant type is consistent with the CDNC solution and RFC 3743/4713. Which means, the second column (the preferred variants) will be “allocatable”, while the rest variants will be “blocked”. Now we’d like to ask IP to give comments on these two documents. And please help forward them to JGP and KGP for their comments as well. Regards WANG Wei

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