December 2014 - Koreangp - lists.icann.org

[lgr] ICANN News Alert -- IDN TLDs - LGR Procedure Implementation - Maximal Starting Repertoire Version 2 is Now Open for Public Comment
by Sarmad Hussain Dec. 17, 2014

Dec. 17, 2014

Dear All, (Apologies for cross-posting) MSR 2 has been released for public comments and is available at https://www.icann.org/public-comments/msr-2014-12-15-en. We look forward to your feedback. Regards, Sarmad From: ICANN News Alert [mailto:communications@icann.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:20 AM To: Sarmad Hussain Subject: ICANN News Alert -- IDN TLDs - LGR Procedure Implementation - Maximal Starting Repertoire Version 2 is Now Open for Public Comment <http://www.icann.org/> News Alert https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2014-12-15-en _____ IDN TLDs - LGR Procedure Implementation - Maximal Starting Repertoire Version 2 is Now Open for Public Comment 15 December 2014 Forum Announcement: Comment Period Opens on Date: 15 December 2014 Categories/Tags: Internationalized Domain Names, IDN, IDN TLD, IDN Variant TLD, new gTLD, IDN ccTLD Purpose (Brief): ICANN is releasing for public comment version 2 of the Maximal Starting Repertoire (MSR-2). This upwardly compatible version of the MSR <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2014-06-20-en> adds six additional scripts to the repertoire. The MSR is the first deliverable under the "Procedure to Develop and Maintain Label Generation Rules (LGR) for the Root Zone With Respect to IDN Labels <https://www.icann.org/en/resources/idn/variant-tlds/lgr-procedure-20mar13-e…> " [PDF, 772 KB] (the Procedure) and the starting point for the work by community based Generation Panels to develop their LGR proposals. The contents of MSR-2 and the detailed rationale behind its development are described in "Maximal Starting Repertoire - MSR-2-Overview and Rationale <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-overview-04dec14-en.pdf> " [PDF, 1.12 MB]. Community members are invited to provide feedback on the contents of MSR-2. Public Comment Box Link: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/msr-2014-12-15-en This message was sent to sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org <mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org> from: ICANN News Alert | communications(a)icann.org <mailto:communications@icann.org> | ICANN | 12025 Waterfront Drive Suite 300 | Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 Email Marketing by <http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186> <http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=27296433&l=6333&s=95OV&m=95…>Manage Your Subscription _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

1 0

FW: [ChineseGP] 转发: ICANN 51 IDN Presentation - KGP
by Dillon, Chris Dec. 16, 2014

Dec. 16, 2014

Dear colleagues, I am circulating the attempt I made before LA to answer the points raised in this morning’s meeting. I don’t think there is any major change to the answers I gave. I am looking for cases where variants are likely to be created in the LGR (I know it’s several files) as a result of two characters being simplified to the same character in a language. For example 發 ‘send’ and 髮 ‘hair’ in TC both became 发 in SC, and so all three (plus Japanese 発 and probably some rare characters) become variants, but cause almost no trouble as no known word has ‘send’ where another word has ‘hair’. Unless we discover a large number of troublesome cases, the Procedure will work. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: Dillon, Chris Sent: 06 October 2014 13:34 To: Wang Wei; ChineseGP(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [ChineseGP] 转发: ICANN 51 IDN Presentation - KGP Dear Professor Kim, Wang Wei and colleagues, I thought I would have a try at answering the questions. I hope it’s helpful. Regards, Chris. == S[slide]3: The example is an interesting one as the difficult characters are used in situations where U4E00 一 may cause confusion e.g. Banknotes. S4 Professor Zhang’s thoughts on what is a character (同源 etc., same sound/meaning/form) are relevant here. Q11 No, as the mappings at LGR level need to be the same. Yes, as the most liberal mapping (in this case CN) needs to be used when the local tables are different. If this causes large variant sets, more difficult individual solutions may be necessary. Q12 Yes. As long as the mappings are merged in the most liberal way. Q13 No. As the most liberal mapping needs to be used. Q14 Yes; it is a possible scenario. Although if 壹 were blocked in all the local tables, it could not have been registered. S8 1.2 Yes; there can be a single mapping. Compromises may be necessary if large variant sets are created. 1.3 No, each language/script can’t have its own mapping, but can have its own dispositions. No; I can’t think of one. Any suggestions? Q21 Under the P2.1 procedure, I think the KGP needs to be set up first and then have its proposal approved. Q22 The CN LGR is certainly at an advanced stage. S15 The JGP does seem to be saying that Old Character Forms and New Character Forms are not variants. I am not sure whether the JGP considers them separate characters. They are certainly not universally variants as with SC and TC. However, I have argued elsewhere that in individual names it is common for a name to prefer an Old Character Form as with 紀伊國屋 and 紀伊国屋. I call these lexical variants, as they only occur in certain names and could not happen if they were separate characters. S14 Note that on slide 3 KR has 壹 and 壱 as variants. I guess we do need to think more about the character level than the word level, although admittedly large number of examples may affect our thinking as with 紀伊國屋. I welcome corrections and additions. Regards, Chris. == Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

1 0

Chatroom transcript from today's KGP
by Dillon, Chris Dec. 16, 2014

Dec. 16, 2014

Dear colleague’s. Please find below the chatroom transcript from today's KGP meeting, as promised: == kim k: Mr LEE Dongman is not here yet...huh kim k: KIM Minji not here either Sarmad Hussain 2: no Sarmad Hussain 2: not yet kim k: Mr Dongman came in Sarmad Hussain 2: Prof. Kim you can advance the slides as you need Sarmad Hussain 2: or let me know kim k: Mr Sarmad's voice quality is not good enough. kim k: I mean transmitted voice quality Sarmad Hussain 2: We can organize an IP member to attend next KGP call Sarmad Hussain 2: or you can wrtite a query to IP at LGR(a)icann.org kim k: Mr. Sarmad, I cannot hear you well. kim k: Transmitted voice quality is poor Sarmad Hussain 2: let me redial in Sarmad Hussain 2: if 'a' and 'b' are variants in language 1 but not variants are language 2 Sarmad Hussain 2: two solutions Sarmad Hussain 2: 1, make 'a' and 'b' variants Sarmad Hussain 2: 2, make 'a' and 'b' not-variants Sarmad Hussain 2: both solutions compromise a language Sarmad Hussain 2: either language 1 or language 2 Sarmad Hussain 2: but solution 1 presents a secure option Sarmad Hussain 2: whereas solution 2 is not a secure option Sarmad Hussain 2: abc.xyz Chris Dillon: 器器 Chris Dillon: Japanese and Chinese forms of the same character with one extra dot Chris Dillon: One open meeting is worth two closed meetings ... Chris Dillon: Ho ho Dongman Lee: that's right Dongman Lee: hh Chris Dillon: Microsoft Lifecam LX-3000 seems very good. Chris Dillon: Everybody says it's clear. Sarmad Hussain 2: I can hear yuo Sarmad Hussain 2: but cannot speak in Sarmad Hussain 2: as I am trying to connect through adobe connect Sarmad Hussain 2: you can speak Sarmad Hussain 2: I can hear you kim k: Until CJK conclude on the variant maaping issue, kim k: I suggest K LGP not meet for the time being. Samad Hussain 2: Ok, I will organize a meeting with CGP and JGP Sarmad Hussain 2: and will also organize a face to face meeting time in singapore kim k: All right. Thanks. Chris Dillon: I'm looking forward to the meetings and will be active on the list. Minjee: Hello, this is Minjee Kim who is wokring at KISA. Minjee: roght Minjee: right == Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

1 0

Re: [Koreangp] Korean GP fortnightly calls and engagements at ICANN Singapore meeting
by KIM Kyongsok Dec. 16, 2014

Dec. 16, 2014

Dear Mr. Sarmad Hussain: Today we will have Korean LGP meeting. Enclosed you will find one pdf file. I would like to discuss today based on this pdf file. Thanks in advance. KIM, K On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:53 PM, KIM Kyongsok <gimgs0(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Hussain: > > I am really sorry for my late response. > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> > wrote: > >> Dear Profs. Kim and Lee, >> >> >> >> I wanted to reach out to you for a few items and request for your >> response: >> >> >> >> 1. We have not had a meeting of Korean GP for past few weeks. >> Kindly let me know when I should schedule one. >> > > As we did before, we could probably meet > on Tues. next week.: Dec. 16 at 16:00 Korean Time. > (OR one more week later?) > > Mr. LEE and Ms. KIM MJ: Will the date be OK? > > 2. We are now planning for ICANN Singapore meeting. We would like >> Korean GP to give an update at the meeting. Are you planning to be at the >> Singapore meeting? If yes, would you be able to give an update on >> (tentatively) Wednesday morning? >> > Oh... the meeting place was changed from Morocco to Singapore. > It depends on whether I can get a travel fund from KISA. > I will check and will let you know. > > > >> 3. Would you like us to arrange a coordination meeting between >> KGP, CGP and JGP during ICANN meeting in Singapore? If yes, please suggest >> which days/times you would prefer? >> > After checking whether I can get a travel fund, > I will let you know. > > Sorry and thanks. > > KIM, K. > >> >> >> Look forward to your response for us to plan further. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Sarmad >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* KIM Kyongsok [mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:12 AM >> *To:* Sarmad Hussain >> *Cc:* Dongman Lee; idntlds(a)icann.org; 김 민지 >> *Subject:* Re: Korean GP fortnightly calls and other support from ICANN >> >> >> >> Dear Mr. Hussain: >> >> >> >> I just returned from my trip. >> >> I will reply soon. >> >> >> >> Sorry and thanks. >> >> >> >> KIM, K. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Profs. Kim and Lee, >> >> >> >> A gentle reminder. Kindly let us know your feedback on the points below. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Sarmad >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Sarmad Hussain [mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org] >> *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 5:17 PM >> *To:* KIM Kyongsok (gimgs0(a)gmail.com) Dongman Lee >> *Cc:* idntlds(a)icann.org >> *Subject:* Korean GP fortnightly calls and other support from ICANN >> >> >> >> Dear Prof. Kim and Prof. Lee, >> >> >> >> We would like to continue ICANN’s support for the Korean Generation >> Panel. I will be working with you directly in this context. >> >> >> >> Kindly let me know when you would like to schedule the calls for the >> Korean Generation Panel: >> >> >> >> - frequency (weekly? fortnightly?) >> >> - starting date >> >> >> >> Please also let us know if you need any additional support going forward, >> in the context of the Korean GP work. >> >> >> >> In the context of coordination between C, J and K GPs, we can look into >> taking up an advisor (as per the LGR Procedure) to assist in the process, >> if you feel there is a need. Please let us know. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Sarmad >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sarmad Hussain >> >> IDN Program Sr. Manager >> >> ICANN >> >> >> >> Phone: +92 300 8414909 >> >> Skype: sarmad.hussain.icann >> >> Jabber: sarmad.hussain(a)jabber.icann.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok >> > > > > -- > 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok > -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok

2 1

Korean Generation Panel meeting 접속 방법
by KIM Kyongsok Dec. 15, 2014

Dec. 15, 2014

Korean LGP 위원님들께: 12.16.화 오늘 16:00 (오후 4 시) 회의는 ID, 암호 없이 아래 주소로 들어가시면 됩니다. 인터넷으로 연결되며, mic, speaker 필요합니다. 고맙습니다. *Link to Adobe Connect**:* *https://icann.adobeconnect.com/r72wznoryti/* <https://icann.adobeconnect.com/r72wznoryti/> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:55 PM Subject: [Koreangp] Korean Generation Panel meeting To: "koreanGP(a)icann.org" <koreanGP(a)icann.org> How to connect: *Link to Adobe Connect**:* *https://icann.adobeconnect.com/r72wznoryti/* <https://icann.adobeconnect.com/r72wznoryti/> *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to *Dial Out* to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. *If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone:* List of International Dial In Numbers: *https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=4054049491&num=1-719-457-6209* <https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=4054049491&num=1-719-…> Participant Passcode: *4054049491 <4054049491>* _______________________________________________ Koreangp mailing list Koreangp(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/koreangp -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok

1 0

Korean Generation Panel meeting
by Sarmad Hussain Dec. 11, 2014

Dec. 11, 2014

Meeting Time: 7am UTC; 4pm South Korea; Tuesday 16 Dec. 2014 (see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html for other timezones) How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/r72wznoryti/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: List of International Dial In Numbers: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=4054049491&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 4054049491

1 0

Korean Generation Panel meeting
by Sarmad Hussain Dec. 11, 2014

Dec. 11, 2014

How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/r72wznoryti/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: List of International Dial In Numbers: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=4054049491&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 4054049491

1 0

[lgr] IDN TLD Program - Label Generation Ruleset (LGR) Tool Project (P1) - LGR Tool Set Specifications Now Open for Public Comment
by Sarmad Hussain Dec. 5, 2014

Dec. 5, 2014

Dear All, (Sorry for any duplication due to cross-posting) Please find below the announcement requesting feedback from the community on the specifications for a tool to create, use and manage an LGR in the machine-readable XML format, which is the format for the submission of LGR proposals by the Generation Panels working on various scripts and writing systems. Before ICANN undertakes the development of the tool, we want to get feedback from the community on whether these requirements and their prioritization meet the needs of the community. Kindly do let us know your feedback. We will finalize the requirements of the LGR Tool based on the feedback received from the community, before we proceed towards its development. Regards, Sarmad From: ICANN News Alert [mailto:communications@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 10:53 PM To: Sarmad Hussain Subject: ICANN News Alert -- IDN TLD Program - Label Generation Ruleset (LGR) Tool Project (P1) - LGR Tool Set Specifications Now Open for Public Comment <http://www.icann.org/> News Alert <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-12-03-en> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-12-03-en _____ IDN TLD Program – Label Generation Ruleset (LGR) Tool Project (P1) – LGR Tool Set Specifications Now Open for Public Comment 3 December 2014 Forum Announcement: Comment Period Opens on Date: 3 December 2014 Categories/Tags: Internationalized Domain Names (IDN), IDN Variant TLD, new gTLD, Label Generation Ruleset (LGR), Generation Panels, IDN ccTLD, Language Tables Purpose (Brief): ICANN intends to develop a tool to allow the Generation Panels and the community to develop and use Label Generation Ruleset (LGR) in the new machine-readable XML-based format. ICANN is releasing the set of requirements for the development of this LGR tool for public comment, specifically to get feedback on (i) the completeness of current requirements, (ii) the prioritization done in the different phases for development of the tool, and (iii) any other aspects associated with the LGR tool requirements. Public Comment Box Link: <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/idn-lgr-2014-12-03-en> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/idn-lgr-2014-12-03-en This message was sent to sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org from: ICANN News Alert | communications(a)icann.org | ICANN | 12025 Waterfront Drive Suite 300 | Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 Email Marketing by <http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186> <http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=27296433&l=6333&s=95OV&m=95…> Manage Your Subscription _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

1 0