Re: [NA-Discuss] Financial Contribution & Assessment of Dues
Eduardo, There are currently 16 accredited North American ALss (with more on the way). Dividing $500 amongst this group amounts to no more than $30 per year per organization... (and most organizations have more than a handful of members). As ICANN is prepared to spend $760,000 on the at-large this year (or $152,000 per region) for staff support and travel funds, I view a modest membership fee as eminently reasonable. --- " Eduardo Diaz, PE" <ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> wrote:
Danny:
We are an all volunteer organization that participates in the NARALO. As such, our funds are almost non-existent. Therefore, what you are proposing (or asking) is no-pay = no participation.
Eduardo Diaz President ISOC-PR
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But you still haven't answered WHY??? As John L, pointed out, they have plenty of money, so why would this kind of pittance and accounting nightmare be desirable to them? Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:00 PM To: 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Financial Contribution & Assessment of Dues Eduardo, There are currently 16 accredited North American ALss (with more on the way). Dividing $500 amongst this group amounts to no more than $30 per year per organization... (and most organizations have more than a handful of members). As ICANN is prepared to spend $760,000 on the at-large this year (or $152,000 per region) for staff support and travel funds, I view a modest membership fee as eminently reasonable. --- " Eduardo Diaz, PE" <ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> wrote:
Danny:
We are an all volunteer organization that participates in the NARALO. As such, our funds are almost non-existent. Therefore, what you are proposing (or asking) is no-pay = no participation.
Eduardo Diaz President ISOC-PR
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Darlene, Most responsible organizations assess membership fees. Such fees are used for a variety of purposes including paying for the cost of non-profit incorporation and for charitable giving, among other sundry purposes. If you are asking why we should be financially supporting ICANN at a time when they are bootstrapping the at-large and paying a massive amount to cover ALS travel expenses, my answer would be: because it's the right thing to do. By making a financial commitment, ICANN will think hard about the value that the NARALO actually delivers, and that would be a good thing. --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
But you still haven't answered WHY???
As John L, pointed out, they have plenty of money, so why would this kind of pittance and accounting nightmare be desirable to them?
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:00 PM To: 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Financial Contribution & Assessment of Dues
Eduardo,
There are currently 16 accredited North American ALss (with more on the way). Dividing $500 amongst this group amounts to no more than $30 per year per organization... (and most organizations have more than a handful of members).
As ICANN is prepared to spend $760,000 on the at-large this year (or $152,000 per region) for staff support and travel funds, I view a modest membership fee as eminently reasonable.
--- " Eduardo Diaz, PE" <ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> wrote:
Danny:
We are an all volunteer organization that participates in the NARALO. As such, our funds are almost non-existent. Therefore, what you are proposing (or asking) is no-pay = no participation.
Eduardo Diaz President ISOC-PR
________________________________________________________________________
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Danny, Maybe where you come from but certainly not where I come from. Our "responsible" organizations look after their members, they don't ensure lack of participation through user fees. That is the cruel truth in the non-profit world. N-CAP certainly hasn't got anywhere near the funds to be looking at "charitable giving" or anything like that. Most of our members are keeping their doors open by footing costs through their own personal bank accounts and Visas. Even I, myself, do so on occasion in order to keep the doors open. Not to mention all of the work on the weekends and evenings for which I never get paid. And you expect N-CAP to give ANYTHING to a company that has its OWN income stream??? Oh, my. Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:26 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Financial Contribution & Assessment of Dues Darlene, Most responsible organizations assess membership fees. Such fees are used for a variety of purposes including paying for the cost of non-profit incorporation and for charitable giving, among other sundry purposes. If you are asking why we should be financially supporting ICANN at a time when they are bootstrapping the at-large and paying a massive amount to cover ALS travel expenses, my answer would be: because it's the right thing to do. By making a financial commitment, ICANN will think hard about the value that the NARALO actually delivers, and that would be a good thing. --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
But you still haven't answered WHY???
As John L, pointed out, they have plenty of money, so why would this kind of pittance and accounting nightmare be desirable to them?
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:00 PM To: 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Financial Contribution & Assessment of Dues
Eduardo,
There are currently 16 accredited North American ALss (with more on the way). Dividing $500 amongst this group amounts to no more than $30 per year per organization... (and most organizations have more than a handful of members).
As ICANN is prepared to spend $760,000 on the at-large this year (or $152,000 per region) for staff support and travel funds, I view a modest membership fee as eminently reasonable.
--- " Eduardo Diaz, PE" <ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> wrote:
Danny:
We are an all volunteer organization that participates in the NARALO. As such, our funds are almost non-existent. Therefore, what you are proposing (or asking) is no-pay = no participation.
Eduardo Diaz President ISOC-PR
________________________________________________________________________
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I think Danny's suggestion has merit, as it brings in an accountability mechanism. Paying a yearly fee would , perhaps ,give an incentive for organizations to get involved and commit icann to attend to the concerns of the only constituency who is actually a paying a membership fee. Then again, the fee could be increased in the future and used as a mechanism to remove all non profits and/or those who can't pay the large membership fee. worth discussing further regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 On 13-Jun-07, at 2:26 PM, Danny Younger wrote:
Darlene,
Most responsible organizations assess membership fees. Such fees are used for a variety of purposes including paying for the cost of non-profit incorporation and for charitable giving, among other sundry purposes.
If you are asking why we should be financially supporting ICANN at a time when they are bootstrapping the at-large and paying a massive amount to cover ALS travel expenses, my answer would be: because it's the right thing to do.
By making a financial commitment, ICANN will think hard about the value that the NARALO actually delivers, and that would be a good thing.
--- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
But you still haven't answered WHY???
As John L, pointed out, they have plenty of money, so why would this kind of pittance and accounting nightmare be desirable to them?
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:00 PM To: 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Financial Contribution & Assessment of Dues
Eduardo,
There are currently 16 accredited North American ALss (with more on the way). Dividing $500 amongst this group amounts to no more than $30 per year per organization... (and most organizations have more than a handful of members).
As ICANN is prepared to spend $760,000 on the at-large this year (or $152,000 per region) for staff support and travel funds, I view a modest membership fee as eminently reasonable.
--- " Eduardo Diaz, PE" <ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> wrote:
Danny:
We are an all volunteer organization that participates in the NARALO. As such, our funds are almost non-existent. Therefore, what you are proposing (or asking) is no-pay = no participation.
Eduardo Diaz President ISOC-PR
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I see Danny's point, but I also agree with Darlene - we are not for profits and have far too many places for our very limited funds to go. Unless I am missing something, aren't we all already supporting ICANN through the fees we pay for our domain registrations? Gareth On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:
I think Danny's suggestion has merit, as it brings in an accountability mechanism.
Paying a yearly fee would , perhaps ,give an incentive for organizations to get involved and commit icann to attend to the concerns of the only constituency who is actually a paying a membership fee.
Then again, the fee could be increased in the future and used as a mechanism to remove all non profits and/or those who can't pay the large membership fee.
worth discussing further
regards,
Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377
On 13-Jun-07, at 2:26 PM, Danny Younger wrote:
Darlene,
Most responsible organizations assess membership fees. Such fees are used for a variety of purposes including paying for the cost of non-profit incorporation and for charitable giving, among other sundry purposes.
If you are asking why we should be financially supporting ICANN at a time when they are bootstrapping the at-large and paying a massive amount to cover ALS travel expenses, my answer would be: because it's the right thing to do.
By making a financial commitment, ICANN will think hard about the value that the NARALO actually delivers, and that would be a good thing.
--- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
But you still haven't answered WHY???
As John L, pointed out, they have plenty of money, so why would this kind of pittance and accounting nightmare be desirable to them?
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:00 PM To: 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Financial Contribution & Assessment of Dues
Eduardo,
There are currently 16 accredited North American ALss (with more on the way). Dividing $500 amongst this group amounts to no more than $30 per year per organization... (and most organizations have more than a handful of members).
As ICANN is prepared to spend $760,000 on the at-large this year (or $152,000 per region) for staff support and travel funds, I view a modest membership fee as eminently reasonable.
--- " Eduardo Diaz, PE" <ediaz@dconsultinggroup.com> wrote:
Danny:
We are an all volunteer organization that participates in the NARALO. As such, our funds are almost non-existent. Therefore, what you are proposing (or asking) is no-pay = no participation.
Eduardo Diaz President ISOC-PR
_____________________________________________________________________ _ __
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The ICANN / IANA - IETF MoU Supplemental Agreement is an interesting read (as it lays out a whole series of IANA obligations, timeframes and commitments that must be honored) -- see http://www.icann.org/general/ietf-iana-agreement-v8.htm When I start thinking of what I want ICANN doing for us, I am mindful of the fact that ICANN previously pointed to the installation of a ticketing system that would assist in the categorization of public complaints, yet I have yet to see a summary report covering the over 10,000 user complaints received during 2006 that would assist those of us engaged in policy development matters. I propose that (like the IETF) we ask for the regular provision of statistical data that can permit trend evaluation. This can be listed in the ICANN obligations section of the MOU. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
I propose that (like the IETF) we ask for the regular provision of statistical data that can permit trend evaluation. This can be listed in the ICANN obligations section of the MOU.
Y'all would support us when we ask for the necessary increasing in staff and funding in the operational plan to provide that level of service right?
Hello Jacob, As you aware, the current budget anticipates net revenue of $46.6MM (37% above 06/07 budget) expenses of $41.6MM (32% above 06/07 budget) capital budget allocation of $1.6MM contribution to reserve of $3.4MM see http://www.icann.org/minutes/prelim-15may07-proposed-08-fiscal.pdf You will also note that the ICANN Operational Plan states: "Develop methods for handling queries and complaints. Collect data from phone calls and emails so that tools can be developed that will reduce staff burden, communicate effectively with those who contact ICANN, and answer questions that are passed in through the Board or staff. Tailor these efforts so that complaints are passed on to appropriate bodies or organizations (i.e., not ICANN)" In terms of "Resources Required" the Operational Plan states: Staff:− Oversight:0.02 FTE Consultant: − Creation of FAQs and other tools $95K As this is already a budgeted item, I see no issue with the proposal. --- Jacob Malthouse <jacob.malthouse@icann.org> wrote:
I propose that (like the IETF) we ask for the regular provision of statistical data that can permit trend evaluation. This can be listed in the ICANN obligations section of the MOU.
Y'all would support us when we ask for the necessary increasing in staff and funding in the operational plan to provide that level of service right?
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As you aware, the current budget anticipates – net revenue of $46.6MM (37% above 06/07 budget) – expenses of $41.6MM (32% above 06/07 budget) – capital budget allocation of $1.6MM – contribution to reserve of $3.4MM
I think it would be fantastic if more people could come see what we do here at the office. In lieu of that check out our annual report and latest budget proposal. They are both major improvements and I think we're doing a lot of really cool stuff we've never been able to do before in support of the DNS and the rest of the unique identifiers. I'm proud of what we've achieved in a very short time.
You will also note that the ICANN Operational Plan states: "Develop methods for handling queries and complaints. Collect data from phone calls and emails so that tools can be developed that will reduce staff burden, communicate effectively with those who contact ICANN, and answer questions that are passed in through the Board or staff. Tailor these efforts so that complaints are passed on to appropriate bodies or organizations (i.e., not ICANN)"
In terms of "Resources Required" the Operational Plan states: Staff:− Oversight:0.02 FTE Consultant: − Creation of FAQ’s and other tools $95K
As this is already a budgeted item, I see no issue with the proposal.
Developing a complaint response system isn't the same as gathering, analysing and reporting on information received. That's like saying we have bloomberg why do we need financial analysts. Geez half my mates would be out of work! Is there anything in the plan where we bring on people to do analysis and reporting on policy advice and complaint information flows and aggregation? I think it would be a great service to offer people. Incidentally at WTO there are side groups that spring up to do similar analysis: An example is: http://www.ictsd.org/about/index.htm
Hi Jacob, I have to run to catch a bus at this time so I can't go into detail, but have a look at the ORGANIZATIONAL EXCELLENCE IN POLICY DEVELOPMENT section of the Operational Plan, specifically where it states: "Facilitate the Policy Development Process consideration of economic, consumer, market and business issues through the retention of expertise in economic studies and statistical analysis." best regards, Danny --- Jacob Malthouse <jacob.malthouse@icann.org> wrote:
As you aware, the current budget anticipates net revenue of $46.6MM (37% above 06/07 budget) expenses of $41.6MM (32% above 06/07 budget) capital budget allocation of $1.6MM contribution to reserve of $3.4MM
I think it would be fantastic if more people could come see what we do here at the office. In lieu of that check out our annual report and latest budget proposal. They are both major improvements and I think we're doing a lot of really cool stuff we've never been able to do before in support of the DNS and the rest of the unique identifiers. I'm proud of what we've achieved in a very short time.
You will also note that the ICANN Operational Plan states: "Develop methods for handling queries and complaints. Collect data from phone calls and emails so that tools can be developed that will reduce staff burden, communicate effectively with those who contact ICANN, and answer questions that are passed in through the Board or staff. Tailor these efforts so that complaints are passed on to appropriate bodies or organizations (i.e., not ICANN)"
In terms of "Resources Required" the Operational Plan states: Staff:− Oversight:0.02 FTE Consultant: − Creation of FAQs and other tools $95K
As this is already a budgeted item, I see no issue with the proposal.
Developing a complaint response system isn't the same as gathering, analysing and reporting on information received. That's like saying we have bloomberg why do we need financial analysts. Geez half my mates would be out of work! Is there anything in the plan where we bring on people to do analysis and reporting on policy advice and complaint information flows and aggregation? I think it would be a great service to offer people.
Incidentally at WTO there are side groups that spring up to do similar analysis:
An example is: http://www.ictsd.org/about/index.htm
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Keep in mind that end users already fund over 80% of ICANN's budget through assessments imposed by ICANN and collected through ICANN-accredited registries and registrars. Personally, the idea that we would pay more seems absurd to me. -- Bret
We (AFCN) do not favor any fee or contribution, at this time. On 6/13/07, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
Keep in mind that end users already fund over 80% of ICANN's budget through assessments imposed by ICANN and collected through ICANN-accredited registries and registrars. Personally, the idea that we would pay more seems absurd to me.
-- Bret
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The Department of Commerce/ National Telecommunications and Information Administration issued a "sources sought" notice of an intention to procure centralized management and coordination of registry, registrar (where specified), database, and information services for the usTLD. The notice requests interested parties to provide information about their technical capability by June 22, 2007. "This synopsis is for Sources Sought, which may or may not result in a Solicitation and does not constitute a commitment on the part of the Government to purchase or acquire systems or services. The Government will not pay for data or time expended in response to this synopsis and is not to be construed as a commitment by the Government to issue a request for proposal or award a contract as a result of this synopsis. This synopsis is for Sources Sought and planning purposes. The U. S. Department of Commerce (DoC), National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), is committed to preserving the stability and security of the Internet domain name and addressing system (DNS). NTIA has ensured the stability and security of the DNS country code top-level domain for the United States (usTLD or .us domain) by supervising administration of the usTLD for the benefit of the nation's Internet community. Therefore, in accordance with Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR) Part 12, Acquisition of Commercial Items, DoC intends to procure the services of a Contractor to manage, maintain, and operate the usTLD under NTIA's supervision. The DoC seeks to acquire centralized management and coordination of registry, registrar (where specified), database, and information services for the usTLD. The usTLD provides a locus for registering domain names and serving the Internet community in the United States. As such, DoC intends the usTLD be available to a wide range of registrants. Accordingly, the DoC seeks proposals to achieve the following objectives: 1.) Ensure that procedures and an accountability framework for the delegation and the administration of the usTLD support a more robust, certain, and reliable DNS. 2.) Promote increased use of the usTLD, including kids.us, by the Internet community of the United States (including small businesses, consumers, not-for-profit organizations, and state and local governments), with a residence or bona fide presence in the United States by introducing enhanced technical and other services, disseminating information about the usTLD, and improving registration and customer services. 3.) Create a centrally administered and efficiently managed structure that ensures registrant and consumer confidence, and infrastructure stability by coordinating delegations and implementing other appropriate functions. 4.) Create a stable and flexible usTLD environment that advances and encourages innovation and that will meet the future demands of potential registrants. 5.) Ensure continued stability of the entire DNS and the usTLD, particularly during transition from the current management structure to the Contractor's proposed structure and to any successor Contractor's structure. 6.) Manage the usTLD consistent with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers' (ICANN) technical management of the DNS. 7.) Adequately protect intellectual property in the usTLD and as developments in the expanded and the locality usTLD space may necessitate. In the event of further expansion of the usTLD space, the Contractor shall implement a "sunrise period" for qualified trademark owners to pre-register their trademarks as domain names prior to the wider registration for non-trademark owners and a dispute resolution procedure to address "cybersquatting" conflicts between trademarks and domain names in the usTLD. 8.) Establish and maintain consistent communication between the Contracting Officer's Technical Representative (COTR), the Contractor, and ICANN. The Contractor shall represent the usTLD in the ICANN Country Code Names Supporting Organization (ccNSO) and contribute to ICANN's operating costs as ICANN may apportion to the usTLD. 9.) Promote robust competition within the usTLD, including registration services, to ensure greater choice and improved services for usTLD users. All responsible sources must submit a written narrative statement of capability including detailed technical information and other technical literature sufficient to permit agency analysis. Additionally, the purpose of the above request is for the Government to determine the submitter's capabilities and qualifications to meet the requirement. Affirmative responses must be received Friday, June 22, 2007 by 12:00 p.m. Noon Eastern Standard Time." Please submit any and all written responses to Kalika Boulware, Contract Specialist via email to kalika.m.boulware[at]noaa.gov http://www2.fbo.gov/spg/DOC/NOAA/AGAMD/PRNTIA9110-7-12841/SynopsisR.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
May I just say from ICANN's perspective I don't believe we could accept such a fee even if offered; I doubt that the provisions of the bylaws related to ALSes would permit it - and even if they did, this would go against the principle that joining At-Large should always be free of charge. On 13 Jun 2007, at 23:35, Michael Maranda wrote:
We (AFCN) do not favor any fee or contribution, at this time.
On 6/13/07, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro > wrote: Keep in mind that end users already fund over 80% of ICANN's budget through assessments imposed by ICANN and collected through ICANN-accredited registries and registrars. Personally, the idea that we would pay more seems absurd to me.
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Nick, (1) The FY 2007-2008 Revenue Projection notes the Annual Registrar Accreditation Fees category and states in a footnote that the values are "Based upon reduction to approximately 600 registrars". As we now have 895 accredited registrars -- see http://www.icann.org/registrars/accredited-list.html -- on what basis does ICANN Staff believe that we will encounter this type of a dramatic reduction in the number of accredited registrars? (2) I don't see funds allocated to the outcome of the multiple reviews of ICANN structures and operations (as in changes that may stem from the GNSO review, the ALAC review, the NonCom review, the Board review, etc.) Where are those planned expenditures cited? Thanks, Danny ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Danny: With regret, I will not be able to procure this information for you until after the ICANN meeting. I recommend that you address this question in this instance to those contact addresses associated with the budget as that'll get you the information you seek much more quickly... On 14 Jun 2007, at 21:02, Danny Younger wrote:
Nick,
(1) The FY 2007-2008 Revenue Projection notes the Annual Registrar Accreditation Fees category and states in a footnote that the values are "Based upon reduction to approximately 600 registrars".
As we now have 895 accredited registrars -- see http://www.icann.org/registrars/accredited-list.html -- on what basis does ICANN Staff believe that we will encounter this type of a dramatic reduction in the number of accredited registrars?
(2) I don't see funds allocated to the outcome of the multiple reviews of ICANN structures and operations (as in changes that may stem from the GNSO review, the ALAC review, the NonCom review, the Board review, etc.) Where are those planned expenditures cited?
Thanks, Danny
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How absolutely astounding that anyone who supposedly advocates for greater public accessibility wants to retroactively change the RALO model to "pay for play". We operate on a shoestring. There's no way we could participate in San Juan without financial support. The value of CLUE personnel time spent so far on this ICANN advisory adventure -- with no evidence yet that we'll actually have any effect on the process -- is substantial. A "membership fee" assumes that we are joining something from which we would be entitled to "member benefits". So far the only benefit has been the ability to have substantial amounts of our time disintegrated in the pursuit of pointless discussions that have nothing to so with actual policy. In any case, it has yet to be demonstrated that ICANN's financial model requires such contributions. The RALO structure is that of an advisory body, not a membership organization, and we are here by invitation. The notion that we should have to pay for the privilege of offering our point of view is reprehensible. Hey, I have no problem recommending that CLUE pay a membership fee IFF ICANN will pay for the time I spend having to read ridiculous, time-wasting emails generated from its process. The net-positive revenue stream to our organization would be considerable. - Evan
Evan, What "actual policy" issues would you like to discuss? regards, Danny --- Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
How absolutely astounding that anyone who supposedly advocates for greater public accessibility wants to retroactively change the RALO model to "pay for play".
We operate on a shoestring. There's no way we could participate in San Juan without financial support. The value of CLUE personnel time spent so far on this ICANN advisory adventure -- with no evidence yet that we'll actually have any effect on the process -- is substantial.
A "membership fee" assumes that we are joining something from which we would be entitled to "member benefits". So far the only benefit has been the ability to have substantial amounts of our time disintegrated in the pursuit of pointless discussions that have nothing to so with actual policy. In any case, it has yet to be demonstrated that ICANN's financial model requires such contributions.
The RALO structure is that of an advisory body, not a membership organization, and we are here by invitation. The notion that we should have to pay for the privilege of offering our point of view is reprehensible.
Hey, I have no problem recommending that CLUE pay a membership fee IFF ICANN will pay for the time I spend having to read ridiculous, time-wasting emails generated from its process. The net-positive revenue stream to our organization would be considerable.
- Evan
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Could have a voluntary financial contribution? That way if there's a big group with some funding behind it you don't have to say no to their support. Others could estimate the substantial in-kind support they offer to the process. cheers, J.
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Bret Fausett -
Danny Younger -
Evan Leibovitch -
Gareth Shearman -
Jacob Malthouse -
Michael Maranda -
Nick Ashton-Hart -
Robert Guerra -
Thompson, Darlene