Having it in Montreal would certainly work better for me. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 975-5605 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-als-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-als-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mr. Robert Guerra Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:10 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: travel-staff@atlarge-lists.icann.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; All Accredited At Large Structures (ALS) in the North American Region Subject: Re: [NA-ALS] [NA-Discuss] Invitation to NARALO face to face meeting Jaqueline: Can the dates be moved? I ask, as many individuals involved in North American ALS discussions will be present at the upcoming Computers, Freedom & privacy conference (CFP) being held in Montreal May 1-4 < http://www.cfp2007.org> I would suggest possibly moving the date of the meeting, either after the CFP conference in montreal - or having it in montreal to coincide with the CFP. The CFP conference traditionally brought together those working on ICANN issues and as such would be a strategic place to have a venue. it's likely a cheaper venue then the US as well. Though I haven't spoken with him yet, i would assume that Luc Faubert would be willing to collaborate with me to make the alac-cfp meeting possible. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 On 10-Apr-07, at 2:33 AM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

Dear North American ALSes and candidate ALSes Please find attached an invitation to a face to face meeting to discuss the potential for NARALO formation. Invitation in French to follow.

Sincerely Jacqueline A. Morris

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Or recall the third alternative: Meet in San Juan at the ICANN meeting in June and again at the ICANN annual meeting. Venue and dates are already set by ICANN, and the wider community is there, enabling those who wish to engage in further discussion around the RALO discussion. --Wendy Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

Hi Robert Well, let's see how many prefer Montreal right about the CFP time, or NY at another time, or some other suggestion. I'm cool with whatever the majority goes with. How about you and Luc come up with a concrete proposal for Montreal - dates, venue etc and then see what's better for the majority? Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Mr. Robert Guerra [mailto:lists@privaterra.info] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:10 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: All Accredited At Large Structures (ALS) in the North American Region; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; travel-staff@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Invitation to NARALO face to face meeting

Jaqueline:

Can the dates be moved? I ask, as many individuals involved in North American ALS discussions will be present at the upcoming Computers, Freedom & privacy conference (CFP) being held in Montreal May 1-4 < http://www.cfp2007.org>

I would suggest possibly moving the date of the meeting, either after the CFP conference in montreal - or having it in montreal to coincide with the CFP. The CFP conference traditionally brought together those working on ICANN issues and as such would be a strategic place to have a venue. it's likely a cheaper venue then the US as well.

Though I haven't spoken with him yet, i would assume that Luc Faubert would be willing to collaborate with me to make the alac-cfp meeting possible.

regards,

Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377

On 10-Apr-07, at 2:33 AM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

...

Dear North American ALSes and candidate ALSes Please find attached an invitation to a face to face meeting to discuss the potential for NARALO formation. Invitation in French to follow.

Sincerely Jacqueline A. Morris

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Wendy I doubt that the budget considered moving considerable numbers of NA members to Asia/Pacific for an MoU signing, but I will check. APRALO is ready and agreed, but they didn't come to Lisbon - the official signing will be at the meeting in the region. The thinking when we did our suggested budget (I was on the ALAC budget sub-committee at the time) was that we would bring ALS reps to ICANN meetings in their region, not around the world. If you check your documentation on the budget discussions from last year, you should see that rationale as notes on the budget proposal. I believe that Africa came to EU for their meeting and signing as it was not more expensive (travel in Africa often requires that one go via Europe to get from one place to another, I've been told) - I can check and confirm the reasoning behind that. I know that LAC is going to San Juan for the GA as the meeting is physically in the middle of our region, and we don't have another in our region for a year and a bit. But generally, those are exceptions that prove the rule. So -I will check as to whether the new budget will cover taking NA to Asia Pacific region in Oct/November (we will be in a new financial year), but I don't think that this is a viable proposal. I'm pretty sure other regions (I'm almost positive LAC will strongly object) will object to what might be seen as special treatment for NA. Otherwise, we have as proposals - NYC in May; Montreal in May; no meeting in May at all, and online drafting and teleconferences to culminate in a single f2f in June in PR. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:03 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'Mr. Robert Guerra'; travel-staff@atlarge-lists.icann.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'All Accredited At Large Structures (ALS) in the North American Region' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Invitation to NARALO face to face meeting Or recall the third alternative: Meet in San Juan at the ICANN meeting in June and again at the ICANN annual meeting. Venue and dates are already set by ICANN, and the wider community is there, enabling those who wish to engage in further discussion around the RALO discussion. --Wendy Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

Hi Robert Well, let's see how many prefer Montreal right about the CFP time, or NY at another time, or some other suggestion. I'm cool with whatever the majority goes with. How about you and Luc come up with a concrete proposal for Montreal - dates, venue etc and then see what's better for the majority? Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Mr. Robert Guerra [mailto:lists@privaterra.info] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:10 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: All Accredited At Large Structures (ALS) in the North American Region; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; travel-staff@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Invitation to NARALO face to face meeting

Jaqueline:

Can the dates be moved? I ask, as many individuals involved in North American ALS discussions will be present at the upcoming Computers, Freedom & privacy conference (CFP) being held in Montreal May 1-4 < http://www.cfp2007.org>

I would suggest possibly moving the date of the meeting, either after the CFP conference in montreal - or having it in montreal to coincide with the CFP. The CFP conference traditionally brought together those working on ICANN issues and as such would be a strategic place to have a venue. it's likely a cheaper venue then the US as well.

Though I haven't spoken with him yet, i would assume that Luc Faubert would be willing to collaborate with me to make the alac-cfp meeting possible.

regards,

Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377

On 10-Apr-07, at 2:33 AM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

...

Dear North American ALSes and candidate ALSes Please find attached an invitation to a face to face meeting to discuss the potential for NARALO formation. Invitation in French to follow.

Sincerely Jacqueline A. Morris

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So far we have six in favour of meeting in person in advance of San Juan:

CAUCE US and CAUCE CA are opposed for the same reasons as always, if we can't get our act together online, we're not going to be able to work online. San Juan is a much better time and place to meet. Also, Yonkers is a rather poor place to have a meeting. It's a suburb of New York, the closest airport is White Plains, which has limited and very expensive service, and the public transportation only goes to NYC and to other suburbs north of NY. So it's easy for Wendy to get to, rather challenging for anyone else. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://johnlevine.com, Mayor "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly.

Hi Jacob,

So far we have six in favour of meeting in person in advance of San Juan:

1. Mr. Miranda 2. ISOC Puerto Rico 3. Robert and Luc - provided it's in Montreal 4. Mr. Evans 5. Our intrepid Nunavut rep Darlene

additional takers?

I'm all for a meeting and agree that something co-ordinated ought to be held before San Juan. What I'm unsure about is whether this is best done by conference call or in-person meeting. To me it depends on how much needs to be done, and how much prep is required. If doing the May meeting by phone makes it more likely that we can be subsidized to the annual meeting, that works best. As for location... I don't care. You can get to White Plains nonstop from Toronto -- but it's by turboprop. Montréal's likely got better restaurants. - Evan

I am in favor of San Juan. However, I can't possibly make it to Yonkers. Thanks! Randy Glass A@L On 4/11/07, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson@gov.nu.ca> wrote:

As well, my vote is for Montreal, not Yonkers. It'll save me A LOT of travel time! :)

D

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-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Malthouse Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:43 PM Cc: NA Discuss; All Accredited At Large Structures ((ALS)) in the North AmericanRegion Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [NA-ALS] Invitation to NARALO face to face meeting

So far we have six in favour of meeting in person in advance of San Juan:

1. Mr. Miranda 2. ISOC Puerto Rico 3. Robert and Luc - provided it's in Montreal 4. Mr. Evans 5. Our intrepid Nunavut rep Darlene

additional takers?

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I would be interested in remote participation prior to San Juan. -Randy Glass A@L On 4/15/07, Mr. Robert Guerra <lists@privaterra.info> wrote:

I must say there has been quite an amount of activity on this list this week. It took a while for me to catch-up...

Having followed most, if not all of the RALO processes in the other regions - I think we are at a stage where a meeting of ALS's in the region could actually be quite useful. Though considerable differences of opinion have been expressed on this list, the wiki documents are - more or less stable.

Might I suggest that a meeting of some kind be arranged in May so that we can discuss not only how ALS from the region can engage better in ICANN processes, but also review the wiki documents, and develop a detailed agenda for a larger get together in San Juan this coming June.

Where can a May meeting take place ? well I would suggest that a combination of modalities be used (face to face, teleconference, etc) so that as many organizations as possible on both sides of the border can participate.

On this list, and privately to Jacob - i've mentioned that a meeting in early may in Montréal could be a far better venue than Yonkers. Why, well, for many reasons - the airport is far batter connected, canada is a cheaper destination, and - more importantly the dates would coincide with the 17th Annual computers, freedom & privacy conference (CFP). CFP tends to always bring together a very internet & ICANN saavy crowd, and as such good feedback and comments could be obtained . Some discussions could take place @ CFP, with a follow-up full day on the 5th and/or 6th .

Luc has organized numerous events in montreal, and most - if not all - have incorporated remote participation (see links below). So with a bit of advance prep, and ICANN's support, a consultation similar to the one that took place in french in Nov for ALS's in Canada can be organized .

http://flickr.com/photos/amicalmant/304234134/in/pool-na-alac/ http://flickr.com/photos/amicalmant/sets/72157594388483091/ http://flickr.com/groups/na-alac/pool/

As I've mentioned earlier, I've already been in touch with Jacob in regards to a change of venue to montreal. Would be good to get an update from him is a meeting change is indeed possible and how reimbursement logistics could be arranged so that any reimbursements are done quickly and efficiently.

Look forward to comments.

regards,

Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377

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I am in favor of San Juan. However, I can't possibly make it to Yonkers.

Thanks! Randy Glass A@L

On 4/11/07, Thompson, Darlene < DThompson@gov.nu.ca> wrote:As well, my vote is for Montreal, not Yonkers. It'll save me A LOT of travel time! :)

D

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-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Malthouse Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:43 PM Cc: NA Discuss; All Accredited At Large Structures ((ALS)) in the North AmericanRegion Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [NA-ALS] Invitation to NARALO face to face meeting

So far we have six in favour of meeting in person in advance of San Juan:

1. Mr. Miranda 2. ISOC Puerto Rico 3. Robert and Luc - provided it's in Montreal 4. Mr. Evans 5. Our intrepid Nunavut rep Darlene

additional takers?

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Our objective is to create the NARALO and then hopefully achieve some kind of useful, coordinated input to ALAC and ICANN. We hope to ratify creation of the NARALO in San Juan in June. I've outlined in a previous mail the first steps I propose we go through in order to be ready for San Juan. Here they are again: - for everybody to agree on the 2 documents (MOU and OP), - for each ALS to name its 2 representatives to the General Assembly, - for individual users to name their 2 reps to the GA, - name the Chair of the General Assembly, - name our Secreteriat, - choose our 2 ALAC reps. I think we should tackle these tasks before we work on policy. So before we plan a meeting in NY or elsewhere, it would be nice if we could reach consensus on whether we need a face to face meeting to be ready for San Juan. Meeting or not, we have some work to do before San Juan. If there's no meeting, then we should be ready to finish our work online and with conference calls. So, can we hold a poll? The question is: Do you want a meeting prior to San Juan in order to work on the creation of NARALO? [] Yes [] No [] Don't care _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.maillons.qc.ca

-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: 10 avril 2007 16:55 To: 'Mr. Robert Guerra' Cc: travel-staff@atlarge-lists.icann.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'All Accredited At Large Structures (ALS) in the North AmericanRegion' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Invitation to NARALO face to face meeting

Hi Robert Well, let's see how many prefer Montreal right about the CFP time, or NY at another time, or some other suggestion. I'm cool with whatever the majority goes with. How about you and Luc come up with a concrete proposal for Montreal - dates, venue etc and then see what's better for the majority? Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Mr. Robert Guerra [mailto:lists@privaterra.info] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:10 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: All Accredited At Large Structures (ALS) in the North American Region; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; travel-staff@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Invitation to NARALO face to face meeting

Jaqueline:

Can the dates be moved? I ask, as many individuals involved in North American ALS discussions will be present at the upcoming Computers, Freedom & privacy conference (CFP) being held in Montreal May 1-4 < http://www.cfp2007.org>

I would suggest possibly moving the date of the meeting, either after the CFP conference in montreal - or having it in montreal to coincide with the CFP. The CFP conference traditionally brought together those working on ICANN issues and as such would be a strategic place to have a venue. it's likely a cheaper venue then the US as well.

Though I haven't spoken with him yet, i would assume that Luc Faubert would be willing to collaborate with me to make the alac-cfp meeting possible.

regards,

Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377

On 10-Apr-07, at 2:33 AM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

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Dear North American ALSes and candidate ALSes Please find attached an invitation to a face to face meeting to discuss the potential for NARALO formation. Invitation in French to follow.

Sincerely Jacqueline A. Morris

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Hola Michael,

I would like to see a F2F meeting, preferably in advance of san juan.

noted.

I would also like clarity on whether the invite extends to applicant organizations, or only approved ALS orgs.

Dont know. wgbty

I recall something on a schedule related to a Chicago North American regional ICANN meeting. When is that? is that still scheduled?

don't recall this, can you send documentation?